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Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II

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Let's have an actual "discussion" about Covid-19.  This means READING and discussing. Not just throwing down links.

Part I was locked due to size and can be found here:

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11299/

I have been encouraged by many ( moderator included ) to restart this discussion with the following guidelines:

No conspiracy theories
No trolling
No fear mongering
No bloodshed
No bullshit
No personal attacks

Free speech rights, medical issues and whatever else, aren’t free passes to act like a jerk and assume you’re untouchable. Bottom line ( for this thread ) is that people are dying out there, and there is no consideration for them—only conspiracies and fear-mongering.

For "Conspiracy Theories" and "Fear Mongering" please visit this thread:

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11333/

For Opinions and thoughts, please visit this thread:

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11347/

Thank you.

Facts ( verifiable links and/or quotes ) and solid discussion only, or your post gets reported and removed. You cannot use the excuse "I don't have to read what you put down and you don't have to read what I put down."

In this thread, you DO.

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Jumping in to say that this thread is for serious & thoughtful discussion only .  Consider it to be like one of our comps where the host/thread author , sets forth the rules & guidelines in the opener, and any off topic post gets disqualified and removed .

The same will happen here. Any post that is off topic, is a personal attack against another member , etc, will be removed.  There are other threads for “anything goes “
and this thread will be monitored.


Thank you and carry on.

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Thank you, MadameL

"We Take the Dead from Morning Til Night"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/27/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-bergamo.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR0gABpeSfhAPCt3WgmQW2bOeVu_RkdIZ7J1Us_WIPf4rf0AvkJF5BK14NQ

God bless and comfort the families of victims from this tragic virus.

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So will there be discussion on the medical professionals speaking out against the mislabelling of deaths?

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An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

Funding for the research was provided by the US National Institutes of Health, the Pew Charitable Trusts, the Wellcome Trust, the European Research Council, and an ARC Australian Laureate Fellowship.

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Carpe_Noctem said:So will there be discussion on the medical professionals speaking out against the mislabelling of deaths?

Great point Carpe.

The Dark horse podcast also talked about the numbers being very skewed.

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MadameLavender said:Jumping in to say that this thread is for serious & thoughtful discussion only .  Consider it to be like one of our comps where the host/thread author , sets forth the rules & guidelines in the opener, and any off topic post gets disqualified and removed .

The same will happen here. Any post that is off topic, is a personal attack against another member , etc, will be removed.  There are other threads for “anything goes “
and this thread will be monitored.


Thank you and carry on.


Indeed there are, thank you MadameLavender :]

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Official Counts Understate the U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/coronavirus-deaths-undercount.html


More than 9,400 people with the coronavirus have been reported to have died in this country as of this weekend, but hospital officials, doctors, public health experts and medical examiners say that official counts have failed to capture the true number of Americans dying in this pandemic. The undercount is a result of inconsistent protocols, limited resources and a patchwork of decision making from one state or county to the next.


A coroner in Indiana wanted to know if the coronavirus had killed a man in early March, but said that her health department denied a test. Paramedics in New York City say that many patients who died at home were never tested for the coronavirus, even if they showed telltale signs of infection.

In Virginia, a funeral director prepared the remains of three people after health workers cautioned her that they each had tested positive for the coronavirus. But only one of the three had the virus noted on the death certificate.


And of course, the number of official Covid 19 linked deaths at home at any current moment is always going to be days to weeks behind as the reports trickle in and stats are updated.

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Umm said:

Great point Carpe.

The Dark horse podcast also talked about the numbers being very skewed.


Hi, Umm!  Can you please either quote The Dark Horse Podcast or provide a link to them saying the numbers [ of deaths from Covid-19 ] have been "very skewed" in accordance to the guidelines of this thread?

Ahavati said:Let's have an actual "discussion" about Covid-19.  This means READING and discussing. Not just throwing down links.

[ . . .]

Facts ( verifiable links and/or quotes ) and solid discussion only, or your post gets reported and removed. [. . .]



Thank you for your participation.

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Link to the dark horse podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5N_uAqApEUIlg32QzkPlg

Very many informative podcasts about Covid 19. Not sure in which of them they discussed the statistics being poorly done, but they're all worth listening to.

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https://youtu.be/a7ZGPDW4gGE
Dr Annie Bukacek

https://youtu.be/I6nweuXwCp8
Senator Dr Scott Jensen (this is from fox)

https://youtu.be/IIDths-UdDA
Dr Andrew Kauffman

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Carpe_Noctem said:https://youtu.be/a7ZGPDW4gGE
Dr Annie Bukacek

https://youtu.be/I6nweuXwCp8
Senator Dr Scott Jensen (this is from fox)

https://youtu.be/IIDths-UdDA
Dr Andrew Kauffman


Will be listening to these, thank you c:

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Umm said:Link to the dark horse podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5N_uAqApEUIlg32QzkPlg

Very many informative podcasts about Covid 19. Not sure in which of them they discussed the statistics being poorly done, but they're all worth listening to.


Thank you.
I've listened to every single one of them ( including the most recent ), and I have not heard them say that.  What I have heard them discuss is that Covid-19 is producing a "pneumonia-like" condition that may be misdiagnosed by healthcare professionals; thus, is being mistreated.  On the contrary, ventilators could be counterproductive as a treatment.

The latest broadcast was fascinating in regards to a Dr. Cameron Kyle Sidell's observation that it ( symptoms ) mimics more like altitude sickness rather than pneumonia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPTiP714LZM

I attribute their reference to numbers in regards to misdiagnosis' of pneumonia, not covid-19.  This virus is killing people; however, perhaps not in the way we think.  

If there's another episode that I may have missed which they say specifically the numbers are very skewed, please let me know. Thanks!

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Umm said:

Will be listening to these, thank you c:

https://youtu.be/GD0JoQXRStU
Dr Brix breaks it down for us

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COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is
assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based
on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic
conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed.

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