Looking for editors, amateurs to share adventure
Although I admit I'm feeling a little shy about my first paperback...
I have to think of it like the little flaws betraying my shaky concentration while working are part of the whole, first printing collectible cuteness factor. I changed format and page count enough times! Had illustrations I scrapped or just used as cover art...etc...
The more anxiety I feel the more haste I display..
I have to think of it like the little flaws betraying my shaky concentration while working are part of the whole, first printing collectible cuteness factor. I changed format and page count enough times! Had illustrations I scrapped or just used as cover art...etc...
The more anxiety I feel the more haste I display..
Firstly, you should always think twice about publishing without having a copy editor review your work. Even then, such an editor ( or second pair of eyes ) should review your work. I say this because the initial publication can be the determining factor of your reputation as a writer in certain publishing houses and online poetry magazines. Secondly, all you can do is submit books to various copy editors. I would also include publishers, but they are busy reviewing work to be published vs already published work.
Don't expect free services ( though you may luck up and actually land it free ). The average copy editor makes roughly 25.00 a hour, depending on what you need. So if your book takes 2-3 hours to read, you're looking at 75.00. Is that really such a bad investment toward a project that will leave a lasting impression on your role as an author? Others charge by the word ( typically .06 ) or page ( typically 10 + ).
Once your project is reviewed and corrected - then you can request reviews and not be afraid to put the work out there. A professional reviewer charges $50 +. Therefore, those who do it all, copy edit and review, are looking at anywhere between 100-350.00 per a book which takes them one to three hours to read.
A good review takes time, just as a good critique. Invest in your own investment if you expect others to.
Don't expect free services ( though you may luck up and actually land it free ). The average copy editor makes roughly 25.00 a hour, depending on what you need. So if your book takes 2-3 hours to read, you're looking at 75.00. Is that really such a bad investment toward a project that will leave a lasting impression on your role as an author? Others charge by the word ( typically .06 ) or page ( typically 10 + ).
Once your project is reviewed and corrected - then you can request reviews and not be afraid to put the work out there. A professional reviewer charges $50 +. Therefore, those who do it all, copy edit and review, are looking at anywhere between 100-350.00 per a book which takes them one to three hours to read.
A good review takes time, just as a good critique. Invest in your own investment if you expect others to.
Ahavati said:Firstly, you should always think twice about publishing without having a copy editor review your work. Even then, such an editor ( or second pair of eyes ) should review your work. I say this because the initial publication can be the determining factor of your reputation as a writer in certain publishing houses and online poetry magazines. Secondly, all you can do is submit books to various copy editors. I would also include publishers, but they are busy reviewing work to be published vs already published work.
I'm trying to save my butt, then.... lol
Maybe I can think of it as a reader's digest, 77 page version of what I can do in a larger form with a co writer... lol
Wonder where I could find that??? Golly.
Don't expect free services ( though you may luck up and actually land it free ). The average copy editor makes roughly 25.00 a hour, depending on what you need. So if your book takes 2-3 hours to read, you're looking at 75.00. Is that really such a bad investment toward a project that will leave a lasting impression on your role as an author? Others charge by the word ( typically .06 ) or page ( typically 10 + ).
I am so there.
I really like a fair reward is proper. Hence my one disagreement. 25 an hour? I feel sick. Isn't a zero missing? Doesn't the editor have a life and their own books to write?
Why not $250 an hour!? Seems like some kind of serious payment or agreed upon bigger chunk as a result of book sales.... would be a safer bet for both the writer and the editor! As long as the editor has good work ethic and experience. There must be something I'm missing.
Once your project is reviewed and corrected - then you can request reviews and not be afraid to put the work out there. A professional reviewer charges $50 +. Therefore, those who do it all, copy edit and review, are looking at anywhere between 100-350.00 per a book which takes them one to three hours to read.
They must edit for the love of books. That's a lot of sustained concentrated effort if it's serious. On small details. I'm picturing a big mug of coffee and a few donuts for brain power, too. Yikes.
A good review takes time, just as a good critique. Invest in your own investment if you expect others to.
I wouldn't edit. I'd rather err to the side of generosity when taking their services.
Even with empty pockets there must be a way to lock in proper compensation plan. One that respects the editorial team.
I'm trying to save my butt, then.... lol
Maybe I can think of it as a reader's digest, 77 page version of what I can do in a larger form with a co writer... lol
Wonder where I could find that??? Golly.
Don't expect free services ( though you may luck up and actually land it free ). The average copy editor makes roughly 25.00 a hour, depending on what you need. So if your book takes 2-3 hours to read, you're looking at 75.00. Is that really such a bad investment toward a project that will leave a lasting impression on your role as an author? Others charge by the word ( typically .06 ) or page ( typically 10 + ).
I am so there.
I really like a fair reward is proper. Hence my one disagreement. 25 an hour? I feel sick. Isn't a zero missing? Doesn't the editor have a life and their own books to write?
Why not $250 an hour!? Seems like some kind of serious payment or agreed upon bigger chunk as a result of book sales.... would be a safer bet for both the writer and the editor! As long as the editor has good work ethic and experience. There must be something I'm missing.
Once your project is reviewed and corrected - then you can request reviews and not be afraid to put the work out there. A professional reviewer charges $50 +. Therefore, those who do it all, copy edit and review, are looking at anywhere between 100-350.00 per a book which takes them one to three hours to read.
They must edit for the love of books. That's a lot of sustained concentrated effort if it's serious. On small details. I'm picturing a big mug of coffee and a few donuts for brain power, too. Yikes.
A good review takes time, just as a good critique. Invest in your own investment if you expect others to.
I wouldn't edit. I'd rather err to the side of generosity when taking their services.
Even with empty pockets there must be a way to lock in proper compensation plan. One that respects the editorial team.
$25/per hour is actually a starting rate. Most often it ranges between 25-35 dollars per hour.
But you have to realize the work they do is a permanent gain, yes it may seem high but its a one time project that you will reap from the investment in the future.
I've done editing work for businesses online who were looking freelance writers for preface/bio/ethos or product descriptions and i have charged them over 300 dollars for a days work but for them its an investment that will stay on their page indefinitely.
If you are on Fb there are small number of writers group if you research and if you join, you will learn a great deal how the business works from their end by meeting editors and learning about rates. It will be very helpful.
But you have to realize the work they do is a permanent gain, yes it may seem high but its a one time project that you will reap from the investment in the future.
I've done editing work for businesses online who were looking freelance writers for preface/bio/ethos or product descriptions and i have charged them over 300 dollars for a days work but for them its an investment that will stay on their page indefinitely.
If you are on Fb there are small number of writers group if you research and if you join, you will learn a great deal how the business works from their end by meeting editors and learning about rates. It will be very helpful.
Layla said:$25/per hour is actually a starting rate. Most often it ranges between 25-35 dollars per hour.
But you have to realize the work they do is a permanent gain, yes it may seem high but its a one time project that you will reap from the investment in the future.
I've done editing work for businesses online who were looking freelance writers for preface/bio/ethos or product descriptions and i have charged them over 300 dollars for a days work but for them its an investment that will stay on their page indefinitely.
If you are on Fb there are small number of writers group if you research and if you join, you will learn a great deal how the business works from their end by meeting editors and learning about rates. It will be very helpful.
I totally agree. It's a whole lot of work when you don't own something, royalty-wise.
And then there are people who see the money produced like an evil... maybe because....
Money feels like something some people want to put off in favor of building reputation.
Maybe they don't want to change tax brackets until it looks like they can write to make a lot of $$ with an already established audience.
But you have to realize the work they do is a permanent gain, yes it may seem high but its a one time project that you will reap from the investment in the future.
I've done editing work for businesses online who were looking freelance writers for preface/bio/ethos or product descriptions and i have charged them over 300 dollars for a days work but for them its an investment that will stay on their page indefinitely.
If you are on Fb there are small number of writers group if you research and if you join, you will learn a great deal how the business works from their end by meeting editors and learning about rates. It will be very helpful.
I totally agree. It's a whole lot of work when you don't own something, royalty-wise.
And then there are people who see the money produced like an evil... maybe because....
Money feels like something some people want to put off in favor of building reputation.
Maybe they don't want to change tax brackets until it looks like they can write to make a lot of $$ with an already established audience.
I have no idea what you are missing, or why you think you're missing something. The average charge of a copy editor is around 50.00 an hour. Some are lower and some are much higher. It is what it is.
I think if you're a famous author there are plenty of ways to lock in compensation plans. Many publishing houses pay advances to well-established authors because they know their books will sell. But, for an unknown author who has self-published, it would be virtually impossible unless the book was golden. Then again, it's already been published. . .
I think if you're a famous author there are plenty of ways to lock in compensation plans. Many publishing houses pay advances to well-established authors because they know their books will sell. But, for an unknown author who has self-published, it would be virtually impossible unless the book was golden. Then again, it's already been published. . .
From seeing some of your posts you seem very passionate about this publishing project but I think you need to decide whether you want to do poetry or a story/novel. Since funds seem limited its best to find your strength in whichever area you want to focus on.
Ahavati said:I have no idea what you are missing, or why you think you're missing something. The average charge of a copy editor is around 50.00 an hour. Some are lower and some are much higher. It is what it is.
I'm so sorry... I know..... I never found a way to actually support and properly thank the editors like you, at DU. I could do free graphics work as a thank you gift. Gladly.
I'm just awed by people who are willing to help book writers with their work at such a deal. That's more than reasonable, it's charity... when you consider what a book can make.
I personally don't know how I could pay someone so little and feel like I was really respecting the editor craft. Because I am no editor, no critic.... that stuff is magic to me.
If I get anyone to help me I'd like to figure out a way to compensate them more than $350. My book is just a one hour adventure at 6th grade reading level. But it needs mojo I can't actually buy ...it's a gift that is hard to compensate.
Legal contracts require equal consideration. How is $50 for an hour polishing/proofreading an equal consideration?
Sounds like the editor is the one not getting enough in a deal like that.
I think if you're a famous author there are plenty of ways to lock in compensation plans. Many publishing houses pay advances to well-established authors because they know their books will sell. But, for an unknown author who has self-published, it would be virtually impossible unless the book was golden. Then again, it's already been published. . .
I thought publishing houses will publish indie books?
My book has two sequels, at least. One is already in play form, the other is a plot line plus backstory.
They could be a one-book consolidation.
I'm so sorry... I know..... I never found a way to actually support and properly thank the editors like you, at DU. I could do free graphics work as a thank you gift. Gladly.
I'm just awed by people who are willing to help book writers with their work at such a deal. That's more than reasonable, it's charity... when you consider what a book can make.
I personally don't know how I could pay someone so little and feel like I was really respecting the editor craft. Because I am no editor, no critic.... that stuff is magic to me.
If I get anyone to help me I'd like to figure out a way to compensate them more than $350. My book is just a one hour adventure at 6th grade reading level. But it needs mojo I can't actually buy ...it's a gift that is hard to compensate.
Legal contracts require equal consideration. How is $50 for an hour polishing/proofreading an equal consideration?
Sounds like the editor is the one not getting enough in a deal like that.
I think if you're a famous author there are plenty of ways to lock in compensation plans. Many publishing houses pay advances to well-established authors because they know their books will sell. But, for an unknown author who has self-published, it would be virtually impossible unless the book was golden. Then again, it's already been published. . .
I thought publishing houses will publish indie books?
My book has two sequels, at least. One is already in play form, the other is a plot line plus backstory.
They could be a one-book consolidation.
Layla said:From seeing some of your posts you seem very passionate about this publishing project but I think you need to decide whether you want to do poetry or a story/novel. Since funds seem limited its best to find your strength in whichever area you want to focus on.
I have multiple novel ideas. Plus... yes... the poetry... but I really dream of forming a team that focus on helping parents fend off predators, in the form of a publishing group, club, whatever... but that's the expansive dream.
Right now I'm just learning. My 17 yo daughter is also writing a novel. She's observing my process. If I bite it, she hopefully won't.
I have multiple novel ideas. Plus... yes... the poetry... but I really dream of forming a team that focus on helping parents fend off predators, in the form of a publishing group, club, whatever... but that's the expansive dream.
Right now I'm just learning. My 17 yo daughter is also writing a novel. She's observing my process. If I bite it, she hopefully won't.
EdibleWords said:
I thought publishing houses will publish indie books?
My book has two sequels, at least. One is already in play form, the other is a plot line plus backstory.
They could be a one-book consolidation.
The majority of publishing houses and magazines require previously unpublished material. There are very few exceptions.
I thought publishing houses will publish indie books?
My book has two sequels, at least. One is already in play form, the other is a plot line plus backstory.
They could be a one-book consolidation.
The majority of publishing houses and magazines require previously unpublished material. There are very few exceptions.
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EdibleWords said:
I'm so sorry... I know..... I never found a way to actually support and properly thank the editors like you, at DU. I could do free graphics work as a thank you gift. Gladly.
If you are referring to the honest critiques Ahavati, me and Mel44 did in the Honestly Crafted Critique Group, we never asked for anything in return. We volunteered to help people in our spare time who came to us asking for it.
The way to support people at DUP in general is to read and provide feedback of whatever sort one is comfortable with.
I'm so sorry... I know..... I never found a way to actually support and properly thank the editors like you, at DU. I could do free graphics work as a thank you gift. Gladly.
If you are referring to the honest critiques Ahavati, me and Mel44 did in the Honestly Crafted Critique Group, we never asked for anything in return. We volunteered to help people in our spare time who came to us asking for it.
The way to support people at DUP in general is to read and provide feedback of whatever sort one is comfortable with.
JohnnyBlaze said:
If you are referring to the honest critiques Ahavati, me and Mel44 did in the Honestly Crafted Critique Group, we never asked for anything in return. We volunteered to help people in our spare time who came to us asking for it.
The way to support people at DUP in general is to read and provide feedback of whatever sort one is comfortable with.
That's cool. You wrote that "contract" but a gratuity is a minimum. When stuff is so good.
If you are referring to the honest critiques Ahavati, me and Mel44 did in the Honestly Crafted Critique Group, we never asked for anything in return. We volunteered to help people in our spare time who came to us asking for it.
The way to support people at DUP in general is to read and provide feedback of whatever sort one is comfortable with.
That's cool. You wrote that "contract" but a gratuity is a minimum. When stuff is so good.
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EdibleWords said:
That's cool. You wrote that "contract" but a gratuity is a minimum. When stuff is so good.
No.
We critiqued purely to help people and become better writers in the process.
That was and still is the only reward as far as the critiques we volunteer here at DUP.
As far as book editing goes .... if you purchase a car at a dealership for $15,000 when the dealership down the road is charging $20,000 for the same exact vehicle - are you going to camp out in the saleman's office insisting he deserves another $5,000?
If you find an editor who charges lower than most, then take the offer and be grateful.
That's cool. You wrote that "contract" but a gratuity is a minimum. When stuff is so good.
No.
We critiqued purely to help people and become better writers in the process.
That was and still is the only reward as far as the critiques we volunteer here at DUP.
As far as book editing goes .... if you purchase a car at a dealership for $15,000 when the dealership down the road is charging $20,000 for the same exact vehicle - are you going to camp out in the saleman's office insisting he deserves another $5,000?
If you find an editor who charges lower than most, then take the offer and be grateful.
