Corona Time
Carpe_Noctem said:
That's Bullshit Hemi. All these lock downs are doing is wiping out small business and killing of whats left of the middle class. Why for what end, the people are the economy it is us the consumer that keeps the economy going. Now that more and more people are losing their business and jobs, what are they supposed to do.
This stimulas will only cause hyperinflation and crash the economy, why perhaps to bring in a one world digital currency, where our only choice to make purchases is places like amazon.
Eerie raised a similar point to what I raised, the supply chain is fucked.
In the long run these measures will kill more people than they save, ie suicide, murder crime and will soon sky rocket.
For what, because the governments care so much about us, or to further clamp more control on us.
There is talk of immunity passports and travel passes for those that comply with the biometrics. Bill Gates id2020 talks about this will be done.
Dr Faucis own words from the New England medical journal 26th march
If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
My point just sailed right on by you. The current narrative of the ruling class, repeated in the media that they own, that you have just repeated, is “if there is no work, people must suffer”. This does not have to be true. Government can choose other courses, and actually has in my country.
Re your point about infection rates, you have not thought it through. If the disease is far more infectious than thought, then it affects many more people, so even a fatality rate that is similar to a seasonal flue kills a lot more people.
Get a calculator. Multiply your assumption of how many are infected x a mortality rate.
Seasonal flue = low infection rate, low mortality rate = 70 000 deaths a year in the US.
Covid 19 = 3 times (which means exponential growth) infection rate, and assume same mortality rate = 2 000 000 dead (without social distancing etc).
Play with just those metrics, and you will see in 5 minutes why a highly infectious disease that reaches say 70% on the population in one year is so very dangerous.
That explains the mass graves.
(This is now the 6th time I have pointed out the basic mathematics involved. Clearly written communications are not my strong point)
That's Bullshit Hemi. All these lock downs are doing is wiping out small business and killing of whats left of the middle class. Why for what end, the people are the economy it is us the consumer that keeps the economy going. Now that more and more people are losing their business and jobs, what are they supposed to do.
This stimulas will only cause hyperinflation and crash the economy, why perhaps to bring in a one world digital currency, where our only choice to make purchases is places like amazon.
Eerie raised a similar point to what I raised, the supply chain is fucked.
In the long run these measures will kill more people than they save, ie suicide, murder crime and will soon sky rocket.
For what, because the governments care so much about us, or to further clamp more control on us.
There is talk of immunity passports and travel passes for those that comply with the biometrics. Bill Gates id2020 talks about this will be done.
Dr Faucis own words from the New England medical journal 26th march
If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
My point just sailed right on by you. The current narrative of the ruling class, repeated in the media that they own, that you have just repeated, is “if there is no work, people must suffer”. This does not have to be true. Government can choose other courses, and actually has in my country.
Re your point about infection rates, you have not thought it through. If the disease is far more infectious than thought, then it affects many more people, so even a fatality rate that is similar to a seasonal flue kills a lot more people.
Get a calculator. Multiply your assumption of how many are infected x a mortality rate.
Seasonal flue = low infection rate, low mortality rate = 70 000 deaths a year in the US.
Covid 19 = 3 times (which means exponential growth) infection rate, and assume same mortality rate = 2 000 000 dead (without social distancing etc).
Play with just those metrics, and you will see in 5 minutes why a highly infectious disease that reaches say 70% on the population in one year is so very dangerous.
That explains the mass graves.
(This is now the 6th time I have pointed out the basic mathematics involved. Clearly written communications are not my strong point)
Blaming tech companies for behaving as they do is addressing only symptoms.
The root cause is powerful people and businesses get access to law and policy makers that voters do not.
The game is rigged.
Blaming google for learning to play the rigged game well solves nothing, without first addressing who gets access to the ear of the powerful.
The root cause is powerful people and businesses get access to law and policy makers that voters do not.
The game is rigged.
Blaming google for learning to play the rigged game well solves nothing, without first addressing who gets access to the ear of the powerful.
First published on January 27, 2020. Figures quoted for the coranavirus pertain to late January
The common flu virus will infect millions across the globe. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. This is not to downplay the Wuhan coronavirus flu, or to give it its medical name, 2019-nCoV.
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the HONEST World Health Organization
In the US:
The HONEST Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)
The initial symptoms of coronavirus are typically similar to those of a cold or flu, which means it is hard for people to know if they are infected, especially given that the outbreak has coincided with flu season.
The virus seems to have a 3 percent mortality rate. However, this could be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.
Consequently, it is difficult to gauge just how contagious it is. A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for the new coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.
The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.
Apart from the obvious health concerns, there is a political dimension.
The common flu virus will infect millions across the globe. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. This is not to downplay the Wuhan coronavirus flu, or to give it its medical name, 2019-nCoV.
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the HONEST World Health Organization
In the US:
The HONEST Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)
The initial symptoms of coronavirus are typically similar to those of a cold or flu, which means it is hard for people to know if they are infected, especially given that the outbreak has coincided with flu season.
The virus seems to have a 3 percent mortality rate. However, this could be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.
Consequently, it is difficult to gauge just how contagious it is. A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for the new coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.
The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.
Apart from the obvious health concerns, there is a political dimension.
drone said:First published on January 27, 2020. Figures quoted for the coranavirus pertain to late January
The common flu virus will infect millions across the globe. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. This is not to downplay the Wuhan coronavirus flu, or to give it its medical name, 2019-nCoV.
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the HONEST World Health Organization
In the US:
The HONEST Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)
The initial symptoms of coronavirus are typically similar to those of a cold or flu, which means it is hard for people to know if they are infected, especially given that the outbreak has coincided with flu season.
The virus seems to have a 3 percent mortality rate. However, this could be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.
Consequently, it is difficult to gauge just how contagious it is. A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for the new coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.
The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.
Apart from the obvious health concerns, there is a political dimension.
A more fulsome discussion in link below. The central point is health systems worldwide are built/scaled to cope with the normal background of car accidents, flu cases, cancers, breast enlargements etc etc, and yes, societies decide what is an acceptable mortality rate vs cost.
When a highly virulent new organism comes in the scene, it risks overload of the health system.
Again, this explains the mass graves. System overload....which is what social distancing etc is trying to reduce.
Get a calculator out, look up how many spare hospital beds your country has and run some infection and mortality rate scenarios. High virulence (the number of people any one person infects) is the real bitch.
Flu, US mortality rate of 0.1%, infection rate approx. 1.2
Covid 19, assume any mortality rate you want....between say 1 and 4% is a good range, infection rate 3.
Do the comparison. Hint: the difference is massive in number of infected (like 60 vs 60 000 per 10 infection/transmission’jumps’), so even a lower mortality rate in covid 19 still results in a loooot more deaths.
Hence the mass graves.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
The common flu virus will infect millions across the globe. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. This is not to downplay the Wuhan coronavirus flu, or to give it its medical name, 2019-nCoV.
The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the HONEST World Health Organization
In the US:
The HONEST Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S. The CDC reports there have been 54 reported flu-related pediatric deaths this season from Influenza B viruses. (The Hill)
The initial symptoms of coronavirus are typically similar to those of a cold or flu, which means it is hard for people to know if they are infected, especially given that the outbreak has coincided with flu season.
The virus seems to have a 3 percent mortality rate. However, this could be an overestimate since there may be a far larger pool of people who have been infected by the virus but who have not suffered severe enough symptoms to attend hospital and so have not been counted in the data.
Consequently, it is difficult to gauge just how contagious it is. A crucial difference is that unlike flu, there is no vaccine for the new coronavirus, which means it is more difficult for vulnerable members of the population – elderly people or those with existing respiratory or immune problems – to protect themselves.
The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.
Apart from the obvious health concerns, there is a political dimension.
A more fulsome discussion in link below. The central point is health systems worldwide are built/scaled to cope with the normal background of car accidents, flu cases, cancers, breast enlargements etc etc, and yes, societies decide what is an acceptable mortality rate vs cost.
When a highly virulent new organism comes in the scene, it risks overload of the health system.
Again, this explains the mass graves. System overload....which is what social distancing etc is trying to reduce.
Get a calculator out, look up how many spare hospital beds your country has and run some infection and mortality rate scenarios. High virulence (the number of people any one person infects) is the real bitch.
Flu, US mortality rate of 0.1%, infection rate approx. 1.2
Covid 19, assume any mortality rate you want....between say 1 and 4% is a good range, infection rate 3.
Do the comparison. Hint: the difference is massive in number of infected (like 60 vs 60 000 per 10 infection/transmission’jumps’), so even a lower mortality rate in covid 19 still results in a loooot more deaths.
Hence the mass graves.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
PS.....8500 (I read 70 000 a year a couple of weeks ago) people a year dead from flu in the US is without lockdown or social distancing. Even with late and poorly done partial lockdowns in just 1 month the US has already smoked that number.
It is not yet out of exponential growth in death rates. Wait 7 days.
It is not yet out of exponential growth in death rates. Wait 7 days.
drone said:SADHGURU - WILL CORONAVIRUS CAUSE THE END OF THE WORLD? How To Beat COVID-19 & Heal Yourself
Quoting from the Wikipedia page on this “guru”;
In 2015, he propagated long-debunked superstitions in his blog, about food turning poisonous and human health being adversely affected during lunar eclipse; the post has been since been broadcast across multiple mainstream media, for years; over a public discourse, he used a rudraksha garland as an 'energy' measuring device to prove his claim.[44][98][99] AltNews has documented Vasudev to have perpetuated numerous myths around clinical depression; he had also protested against a potential prohibition on the use of mercury for Indian traditional medicines, despite its extreme toxicity which can lead to death.[100][101] His views on the Higgs boson and alleged benefits for the Vibhuti have been refuted by the rationalists and have been labelled as anti-scientific.[102][103] In a talk delivered at IIT Madras, he propounded debunked theories about water memory.[104]
Quoting from the Wikipedia page on this “guru”;
In 2015, he propagated long-debunked superstitions in his blog, about food turning poisonous and human health being adversely affected during lunar eclipse; the post has been since been broadcast across multiple mainstream media, for years; over a public discourse, he used a rudraksha garland as an 'energy' measuring device to prove his claim.[44][98][99] AltNews has documented Vasudev to have perpetuated numerous myths around clinical depression; he had also protested against a potential prohibition on the use of mercury for Indian traditional medicines, despite its extreme toxicity which can lead to death.[100][101] His views on the Higgs boson and alleged benefits for the Vibhuti have been refuted by the rationalists and have been labelled as anti-scientific.[102][103] In a talk delivered at IIT Madras, he propounded debunked theories about water memory.[104]
hemihead said:PS.....8500 people a year dead from flu in the US is without lockdown or social distancing. Even with late and poorly done partial lockdowns in just 1 month the US has already smoked that number.
It is not yet out of exponential growth in death rates. Wait 7 days.
so the media keep telling us as you also did when I brought up the empty hospitals. You said give it 10 days well what's another 7 days or another 14 on top of that, how about indefinitely
Your numbers are not lost on me they are grossly inaccurate, even bordering on criminal negligence.
Some statistics coming in now are saying it is 0.01% that is a lot less than 0.1%.
This I would put it is why the CDC has changed the COVID-19 death listing, to have accurate statistics you can not I repeat can not have listed assumptions as an accurate statistic
In this video this guy explains the inaccurate reporting of the statistics.
https://youtu.be/fYWWvSTQkNI
The way of life we used to know is gradually being destroyed for what. Something that has roughly the same mortality rate of the flu, which seasonally kills the elderly which at that stage of life would have died inevitably anyway.
All this suffering and death that will result from these measures. All this loss of liberty, which we know will not be given back.
Is it worth the sacrifice. Is it worth the vaccine with the embedded nano tracking technology, the social credit scoring.
Look up bill gates id2020. This is not conspiracy Hemi. Gates himself is even saying life can't go back to normal until the population is vaccinated.
What do you do when you know the game is rigged, do you keep playing hoping to win some loss back. Or stop playing?
It is not yet out of exponential growth in death rates. Wait 7 days.
so the media keep telling us as you also did when I brought up the empty hospitals. You said give it 10 days well what's another 7 days or another 14 on top of that, how about indefinitely Your numbers are not lost on me they are grossly inaccurate, even bordering on criminal negligence.
Some statistics coming in now are saying it is 0.01% that is a lot less than 0.1%.
This I would put it is why the CDC has changed the COVID-19 death listing, to have accurate statistics you can not I repeat can not have listed assumptions as an accurate statistic
In this video this guy explains the inaccurate reporting of the statistics.
https://youtu.be/fYWWvSTQkNI
The way of life we used to know is gradually being destroyed for what. Something that has roughly the same mortality rate of the flu, which seasonally kills the elderly which at that stage of life would have died inevitably anyway.
All this suffering and death that will result from these measures. All this loss of liberty, which we know will not be given back.
Is it worth the sacrifice. Is it worth the vaccine with the embedded nano tracking technology, the social credit scoring.
Look up bill gates id2020. This is not conspiracy Hemi. Gates himself is even saying life can't go back to normal until the population is vaccinated.
What do you do when you know the game is rigged, do you keep playing hoping to win some loss back. Or stop playing?
It has been less than 10 days since I wrote that, and the US is now the world leader in Covid 19 deaths.
Deaths rates are still exponential.
I’m sorry if you feel these numbers are unsatisfactory.
(I fully support the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation’s work in this area, as well as their work on preventable diseases and clean drinking water)
Deaths rates are still exponential.
I’m sorry if you feel these numbers are unsatisfactory.
(I fully support the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation’s work in this area, as well as their work on preventable diseases and clean drinking water)
hemihead said:It has been less than 10 days since I wrote that, and the US is now the world leader in Covid 19 deaths.
Deaths rates are still exponential.
I’m sorry if you feel these numbers are unsatisfactory.
(I fully support the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation’s work in this area, as well as their work on preventable diseases and clean drinking water)
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Deaths rates are still exponential.
I’m sorry if you feel these numbers are unsatisfactory.
(I fully support the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation’s work in this area, as well as their work on preventable diseases and clean drinking water)
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Josh said:
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Gates comes from a long line of eugenecists and also happens to be technocrat.
Hemi this guy doesn't give a fuck about humanity. His end goals are written clear as. To track and control through vaccinations.
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Gates comes from a long line of eugenecists and also happens to be technocrat.
Hemi this guy doesn't give a fuck about humanity. His end goals are written clear as. To track and control through vaccinations.
Josh said:
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Seriously, his reading list is available online.
When you have read even a 10th of what he has read, let alone comprehended, then put his own and the money of others on the line to achieve it, or if you can bring a concise argument as to why his views on clean drinking water as a basic human right, malaria management at scale, toilet/sewer systems for people who have no public amenity access, child education programs, public health education programs, why Microfinance to women in developing nations is important, why the move to renewables will need fossil fuels for another 20 years, why climate change is the concern of the most vulnerable, why taxes on corporations should be higher, or any of a myriad others he is very public about and openly invites informed debate on, then I think you can most politely put your “seriously” wherever the sun least shines upon your person..
Prove me wrong. In your words. Without a link to a source or a “guru”.
(This is literally the guy who spent $60m if his own money in pandemic response planning, including warning many governments of the world of their vulnerabilities in 2010 - 2018)
Hemi, seriously? Bill Gates? Stand back and look at the big sweep of history from 1914 onwards and how dictatorships rise.
Seriously, his reading list is available online.
When you have read even a 10th of what he has read, let alone comprehended, then put his own and the money of others on the line to achieve it, or if you can bring a concise argument as to why his views on clean drinking water as a basic human right, malaria management at scale, toilet/sewer systems for people who have no public amenity access, child education programs, public health education programs, why Microfinance to women in developing nations is important, why the move to renewables will need fossil fuels for another 20 years, why climate change is the concern of the most vulnerable, why taxes on corporations should be higher, or any of a myriad others he is very public about and openly invites informed debate on, then I think you can most politely put your “seriously” wherever the sun least shines upon your person..
Prove me wrong. In your words. Without a link to a source or a “guru”.
(This is literally the guy who spent $60m if his own money in pandemic response planning, including warning many governments of the world of their vulnerabilities in 2010 - 2018)
Carpe_Noctem said:
Gates comes from a long line of eugenecists and also happens to be technocrat.
Hemi this guy doesn't give a fuck about humanity. His end goals are written clear as. To track and control through vaccinations.
Misquotes and half quotes are the crutch of the weak minded.
He is brave enough to publicly discuss the challenges of our time: overpopulation, climate change, the rights of the poor.
Track and trace is the gold standard right now without a vaccine.
Get a grip on your arguments.
First it was “no covid”, then it was “underreporting”, then it was “overreporting”, now it’s “government control”, with a touch of “bill gates is trying to nanotech inject us to control the population for ‘them’”. Edit....then of course there was the asshat you were quoting about 5g....and “the ancients”. Would hate to forget about them.
Can you explicitly express what you believe at this moment?
Gates comes from a long line of eugenecists and also happens to be technocrat.
Hemi this guy doesn't give a fuck about humanity. His end goals are written clear as. To track and control through vaccinations.
Misquotes and half quotes are the crutch of the weak minded.
He is brave enough to publicly discuss the challenges of our time: overpopulation, climate change, the rights of the poor.
Track and trace is the gold standard right now without a vaccine.
Get a grip on your arguments.
First it was “no covid”, then it was “underreporting”, then it was “overreporting”, now it’s “government control”, with a touch of “bill gates is trying to nanotech inject us to control the population for ‘them’”. Edit....then of course there was the asshat you were quoting about 5g....and “the ancients”. Would hate to forget about them.
Can you explicitly express what you believe at this moment?
