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Pour un poète
C'est un message
Pour un poète
Au beau futur
Mais au présent
Hardu et dur
Espoir travail
Vont mener loin
Succès un jour
Et Nobel sur
Pour un poète
Au beau futur
Mais au présent
Hardu et dur
Espoir travail
Vont mener loin
Succès un jour
Et Nobel sur
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Re. Pour un poète
26th Dec 2021 8:26pm
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An alexandrin(e). Mostly a french form used in the classical french era (XVII). Molière is my favorite ( le Tartuffe). But I am having a bit of sort of boxing match with a guy who calls himself Baldwin. So I shall see if he likes my alexandrin....or not. (Actually I don't really care what he has to say, Kisses, Robert. PS: there are many forms of alexandrins, this is a very short form (tetra).
For you, I would translate as:
This is a message
For a poet
With a nice future
But with a present
Hard and difficult
Hope and work
Will lead far
Success one day
And Nobel for sure.
For you, I would translate as:
This is a message
For a poet
With a nice future
But with a present
Hard and difficult
Hope and work
Will lead far
Success one day
And Nobel for sure.
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26th Dec 2021 8:41pm
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26th Dec 2021 8:44pm
Glad you like. Kisses, Robert. (PS: so now there are TWO people who want to see a''prequel'' to the Last Trip......I shall have to go to work....
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Whether I like your piece or not is not the issue since the challenge you were given was to write in English something that in form consists of of a series two half-lines of six syllables each that are separated by a caesura which may or may not be realized as a stronger syntactic break. This piece of yours does not meet that challenge in a variety of ways, not the least of which is that your lines are not the right length or have the required meter, but that that you have moved the challenge's goal posts to say that it does.
And where can I -- or anyone -- find any poetic form, let alone an Alexandrin(e) one, known as a "tetra"?
And where can I -- or anyone -- find any poetic form, let alone an Alexandrin(e) one, known as a "tetra"?
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Do inform yourself on the various forms of alexandrin. (Voir aussi Victor Huge qui aimait le genre tétra).
For now I will ''lower'' myself to the English stuff considering, dear Baldwin, some of your own limited capacities (and mine as well: I must work on the ceasuraes).
We are not spencerians, do not have the talent
But we must strive onward to do the best we can
It is never easy to commence or to end
The words are a treasure which surfaces with sweat.
The end product being your well-crafted jewel.
I wish to write more lines and I will do in time
Great works take time to write , knitting is not easy
Possibly the last word as I near the coffin.
For now I will ''lower'' myself to the English stuff considering, dear Baldwin, some of your own limited capacities (and mine as well: I must work on the ceasuraes).
We are not spencerians, do not have the talent
But we must strive onward to do the best we can
It is never easy to commence or to end
The words are a treasure which surfaces with sweat.
The end product being your well-crafted jewel.
I wish to write more lines and I will do in time
Great works take time to write , knitting is not easy
Possibly the last word as I near the coffin.
Re: Re. Pour un poète
27th Dec 2021 10:32pm
"Do inform yourself on the various forms of alexandrin. (Voir aussi Victor Huge qui aimait le genre tétra)."
Please cite an authoritative source of poetic forms that shows one of the alexandrin form is called a "tetra." There's no attestation to this claim sin, say, _The New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics- or in Lewis Turco's _The Book of Forms_
And please cite your source or sources for stating that there is such a thing as a "tetra genre" not to mention that this was something that Victor Hugo "liked".
Cue the ad hominems and the red herring filled response.
By the way, there is no such word as ceasurae and the plural of caesura is caesuras or caesurae.
Please cite an authoritative source of poetic forms that shows one of the alexandrin form is called a "tetra." There's no attestation to this claim sin, say, _The New Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics- or in Lewis Turco's _The Book of Forms_
And please cite your source or sources for stating that there is such a thing as a "tetra genre" not to mention that this was something that Victor Hugo "liked".
Cue the ad hominems and the red herring filled response.
By the way, there is no such word as ceasurae and the plural of caesura is caesuras or caesurae.
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You really are boring me to death; just dor fun: where are you from and please cite ALL your university degrees by alphabetical order of boredom. Nothing, it seems will ever satisfy you. DO GO AWAY.
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And just as I predicted -- a red herring and an ad hominem as a repose -- a sure sign that you have no evidence that supports your claims. Otherwise you would have produced things that demonstrated that your claims are true. and that you actually know what you are talking about.
In any case, I'll cite my degrees if you first cite yours. And they don't have to be in any kind of alphabetical order.
In any case, I'll cite my degrees if you first cite yours. And they don't have to be in any kind of alphabetical order.
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Re. Pour un poète
27th Dec 2021 11:28pm
"You are such a huge bag of wind."
That may be so, but that hardly shows, as you should have done, that what I said about your piece is wrong and that you know what you are talking about.
That may be so, but that hardly shows, as you should have done, that what I said about your piece is wrong and that you know what you are talking about.
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27th Dec 2021 11:47pm
Unlike you, i do not have a photographic memory and sadly can't find the Hugo piece I have in mind. However, for the English stuff, you might note (as seen on la Poésie.org) that the tétra is liked also in english poetry:
Tétramètre trochaïque:
Peter, Peter, pumpkin-eater (English nursery rhyme)
Tétramètre iambic
Because i could not stop for death (Emily Dickenson)
Also
Tétramètre anaseptique...........if you care to look.
Tétramètre trochaïque:
Peter, Peter, pumpkin-eater (English nursery rhyme)
Tétramètre iambic
Because i could not stop for death (Emily Dickenson)
Also
Tétramètre anaseptique...........if you care to look.
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tetra is not a cipher for tetrameter. Nor is it a word that has anything to do with poetry, let alone alexandrines:
MW
tetra noun
tet·ra | \ ˈte-trə \
Definition of tetra (Entry 1 of 2)
: any of numerous small often brightly colored South American characin fishes often bred in tropical aquariums
Definition of tetra- (Entry 2 of 2)
1: four : having four : having four parts
tetravalent
2: containing four atoms or groups (of a specified kind)
tetrachloride
MW
tetra noun
tet·ra | \ ˈte-trə \
Definition of tetra (Entry 1 of 2)
: any of numerous small often brightly colored South American characin fishes often bred in tropical aquariums
Definition of tetra- (Entry 2 of 2)
1: four : having four : having four parts
tetravalent
2: containing four atoms or groups (of a specified kind)
tetrachloride
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Re: Re. Pour un poète
28th Dec 2021 00:28am
Fascinating. You did not even care to look at the examples given, Amazing how you keep picking your nose. Found anything interesting in there yet?
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I looked at them The are some examples of various ways that poems are set out in tetrameter. And they do not prove that there is form of an Alexandrine that is called or is known as a tetra.
Nor is there a meter known as anaseptique. since anaseptique. is something that is used to prevent wounds from becoming infected.
Presumably you meant anapestic.
Nor is there a meter known as anaseptique. since anaseptique. is something that is used to prevent wounds from becoming infected.
Presumably you meant anapestic.
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28th Dec 2021 1:38am
Wikipedia: Alexandrin
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Analyse rythmique. Du fait qu'on tend à reconnaître deux mesures par hémistiche, on a jadis qualifié l'alexandrin ordinaire de TÉTRAMÈTRE pour qualifier les vers découpés en quatre mesures de trois syllabes chacune (3-3-3-3) on a pu parler de TÉTRAMÈTRE à débit régulier:
Je le vis / je rougis/ Je pâlis/ à sa vue Racine, Phèdre acte I, 3, v. 273.
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Analyse rythmique. Du fait qu'on tend à reconnaître deux mesures par hémistiche, on a jadis qualifié l'alexandrin ordinaire de TÉTRAMÈTRE pour qualifier les vers découpés en quatre mesures de trois syllabes chacune (3-3-3-3) on a pu parler de TÉTRAMÈTRE à débit régulier:
Je le vis / je rougis/ Je pâlis/ à sa vue Racine, Phèdre acte I, 3, v. 273.
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"Rhythmic analysis. Due to the fact that we tend to recognize two measures per hemistich, we formerly qualified the ordinary alexandrine of TETRAMETER to qualify the worms cut into four measures of three syllables each (3-3-3-3) we could speak of TETRAMETER at regular flow:
I saw him / I blush / I turn pale / at his sight Racine, Phaedrus act I, 3, v. 273. "
Nothing here shows that there is an Alexandrine form known as a "tetra".
What it does show is that your piece above is not an Alexandrine in that its lines are not set out in hemistiches let alone in tetrameter.
I saw him / I blush / I turn pale / at his sight Racine, Phaedrus act I, 3, v. 273. "
Nothing here shows that there is an Alexandrine form known as a "tetra".
What it does show is that your piece above is not an Alexandrine in that its lines are not set out in hemistiches let alone in tetrameter.
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28th Dec 2021 2:00am
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I wish you to post evidence for your claims. So far, what you posted does not support them, shows over and over again that you don't know what you are talking about, does not in any way address my remarks, or comes close to proving that they are invalid, indicates that you have a need to put your foot in your mouth.
Cue (once again) the petulant, ad hominemed, and red herringed response.
If you want me to go away, stop doing this.
Cue (once again) the petulant, ad hominemed, and red herringed response.
If you want me to go away, stop doing this.
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28th Dec 2021 4:54am
You are acting like a cry baby ''show me your credentials. No you first.......I wanna a cookie..'' Get lost.
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Another prediction come true.
But thanks for putting words in my mouth. If I want anything, it's not a cookie, but for you to do what seems impossible for you to do, namely, to dispense with the snark and, instead, to speak directly and responsibly to my remarks about your claims by providing actual and relevant evidence that shows that your claims about there being a genre or an "Alexandrine form" known as a "tetra"
Nothing you have said so far in response to my messages to you comes close to doing this. In fact, it increases the perception that you don't have the knowledge or the skill or the wit necessary to do what you have been asked to do.
I'd also like you to admit that the word "tetra" has no meaning that is associated with poetry and that, as Google shows, the referent of "alexandrine tetra" is a fish (see tinyurl.com/2exyj85f).
Does anyone here want to wager that R won't do this but will predictably respond with more characterizations of my person?
But thanks for putting words in my mouth. If I want anything, it's not a cookie, but for you to do what seems impossible for you to do, namely, to dispense with the snark and, instead, to speak directly and responsibly to my remarks about your claims by providing actual and relevant evidence that shows that your claims about there being a genre or an "Alexandrine form" known as a "tetra"
Nothing you have said so far in response to my messages to you comes close to doing this. In fact, it increases the perception that you don't have the knowledge or the skill or the wit necessary to do what you have been asked to do.
I'd also like you to admit that the word "tetra" has no meaning that is associated with poetry and that, as Google shows, the referent of "alexandrine tetra" is a fish (see tinyurl.com/2exyj85f).
Does anyone here want to wager that R won't do this but will predictably respond with more characterizations of my person?
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