Fallen

... and then there's my version of suffering, which is probably completely different...  
It's a welcomed dire need that when driven by one who understands me, to my core and who's strong enough to lead me to a very particular place where I can feel what I ONLY feel when taken there and submerged —Freedom.  

Freedom by way of exquisite suffering...  

I utterly love the subjectiveness of art and poetry..... *sigh*

Ok, Now.. it's bedtime.
lol...  
Thanks for the lovely read, Cipher
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To interact with your thought process is to participate in a most exquisite symphony.  My deepest gratitude.

Dear C,

A thoughtful poem for me. I really like your process of how one shift of adaptation leads to another.
“greed & need” brilliant! And didn’t the world become that very thing. Wonderful write. H🌷

Awesome H.!.

And it is curious to study all of the ways that "the adaptation" has sort of "fractaled" into everywhere and everything.  

One could overdose on contemplation.

And that is merely in consideration of the aftermath, not to say anything of the impetus...

Thank you for your thought provoking comments.!.

The premise was that we originally lived off fruit
and my mind pondered the nature of being…


C, So when I first read these two lines I thought it said

The premise was that we originally lived off fruit and our minds !

and that just provoked such an amazing idea in my mind! I love when this happens, you know ! inspiration from another, it’s awesome.

I think we can all relate to this at one time or another, it’s funny though you know,  when I have someone in my life I don’t care, like I’m not needy I don’t need much from my mate, but then when I’m single, I just feel lost and empty and needing and wanting that which I don’t have , it’s like mourning in my heart, it’s crazy and fucked up I know.. especially if I’m single and I see people holding hands , lovable quick kisses and being all loving
it just kills me because I want it,  until I get it.

Anyway that’s my take on this piece I hope I’m on the mark :)

This piece is thought provoking and cerebral
I very much enjoyed my good friend loved it!
Luv Always your sister in n ink
Jackie🤗♥️

ABSOLUTELY.!.

The podcast went on to discuss "living off of Prana" & "living off of breath" (the breatharians)...

You have introduced an entirely new thing:  living off of the mind...  (the mentalarians)...

Awesome...  

I like your insights into need, which I do think is a continual process, even to those who spend their lives denying their needs...  It is so interesting the insights, that each of us develop, upon our personalized pathways.  

Oh...  I do think that, even if we are the fallen, there are always anomalies, and maybe "degrees of anomaly" within the system of existence...  

Like you...  You have such self awareness, and, You probably understand certain dynamics better than so many...  

And...  I think knowledge is the beginning of the application of knowledge...  and the application of knowledge makes the nature (which left alone fails) and makes it, perhaps, less failure prone...

but then...  damn...  am I addicted to the mystery & the misery of it all.?

I think about these things...  there are so many levels...

Thank you for your thought provoking comments, my good friend...................

🤗♥️

I really enjoyed the biblical reference to this, Cipher. We each have a choice to taste knowledge, which leads to freedom; or, remain clueless in the garden without any chance of evolution.

Oh A...  Such a thought provoking comment.  I love it.!.

Okay...  So an argument could be made that, prior to the fall, evolution was unnecessary, because we were in a pristine state.?.

but damn if I don't love evolution of the self...  Truly...

I think I love everything about it...

I have been thinking, lately, very intensely, about the different nuances of my personal human experience...  

Even the many times of nerves, stripped of the flesh, I loved it all...

I love the garbage heap of humanity...

I love the blood and the tears...

I wouldn't want it any other way...

The idea of a "proposed nature" of a pre-evolutionary human creature is a profound reflection/meditation to approach...

And then there is the perspective of the "alien god"...

Now that...  is far out...

I love your thinking A...

Yes, Quite a shift from our present vision of Eden.  Much cruelty outside.  Not just cute pics of juicy fruits................

Hahaha...  (not really laughing...  tis no laughing matter)

...  and then to know (but not really know) the true nature of "our previous state" (in this paradigm)...  (although many paradigms say as much)

tis like...  to know death but not the true nature of death...  just...  stuck in the middle and having the thought process that will forever seek to extricate ourselves from this place of perspective...

Such existential insights you have all given unto me...  

I am so grateful.!.

I recently read about the North American Indigenous creation myth of Skywoman, and the contrast of her falling (which led to gratitude and sharing) with that of Eve (which led to banishment and suffering). How deeply we must be affected by these stories of origin - even if we don't realize it, they inform our culture & worldview. One leads to a mindset of abundance, the other scarcity....
Probably not where you were going with this, but I'm working very hard to de-program/ relearn my worldview these days, so that's where this took me.
Sweet, delicious write, like the best fruit....
k

SO FUCKING SMART!!!

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU COMMENT!!!

THAT IS TOTALLY WHERE I WAS GOING...

I actually wrote something today, on this basis.

https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/425189-complexity-cuernos/

You are awesome and amazing, K.

dearest Cipher I really enjoyed your line of thinking here
it's evident reading you, you are a knowledgeable person
I often wonder about the fall the war in heaven and the garden...

my thoughts are the fruit was A. that of sex with Lucifer and or B. technology
either way it was forbidden knowledge which is all to intriguing...

so the fall was to my knowledge basically over having a go with woman kind
because until the point of the garden there were nothing but male angels
we know they interbred with daughters of Eve producing Nephilium....

interesting write I love it...

Wow...  I love your perspective.  There certainly is so much, left to interpretation, and in this instance, all interpretations are valid.

Sex with Lucifer?  That is very interesting...  So let me think.  Seth was the offspring, subsequent to Cain & Able?  Hmm...

Technology?  Most certainly, in some form, whether organic or artificial, in that context there really would be no difference, as we are talking about a "created thing" in any event...

The Nephilium...

Ohhh. ....  I very much love and appreciate your perspective...

...

actually I have heard it said that because of the Hebrew connotation that Cain and Able were fraternal twins and the Cain was Lucifer's while Able was Adam's it was a very enlightening study... here is one place I found the discussion...it's kind of mind blowing...

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Cain-and-Able-were-twins-from-different-fathers-Cain-being-the-son-of-the-serpent