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Censorship
I wonder why ‘censorship’ is not an option in the list of themes. I chose ‘Write’s Block’ as a synonym.
It seems my friend has been banned for speaking her mind.
Sky Dancer’s unabashed demeanor and beautiful writing is what drew me here, and the site seems flat with her absence.
Art is expression, often with the intent to trigger emotion-both positive and negative. If you don’t like it change the channel,.
I’m sure the spin doctors will conjure something that sounds reasonable and intelligent to justify silencing someone who chooses to communicate in their own way. It’s still censorship
Her ban causes me pain.
In solidarity, I will remain silent until her return, and I will again withdraw my financial support for the site.
See you all sometime next month.
-kinkpoet
It seems my friend has been banned for speaking her mind.
Sky Dancer’s unabashed demeanor and beautiful writing is what drew me here, and the site seems flat with her absence.
Art is expression, often with the intent to trigger emotion-both positive and negative. If you don’t like it change the channel,.
I’m sure the spin doctors will conjure something that sounds reasonable and intelligent to justify silencing someone who chooses to communicate in their own way. It’s still censorship
Her ban causes me pain.
In solidarity, I will remain silent until her return, and I will again withdraw my financial support for the site.
See you all sometime next month.
-kinkpoet
Published 10th Sep 2020
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As your self imposed ban will cause pain too...
There aren't many voices like yours or hers here. I look forward to them, every day.
I understand the solidarity.
Completely. 100%
Yet I wonder if that is what's expected.
Your response, that is.
To also go silent, like you've previously done
I've learned that sometimes you need to keep them guessing...
To stay and develop some other form of 'trouble' (stealing from John Lewis) to actually get changes made. Otherwise what difference does it make? No changes = The status quo
Then you're (or Sky or whoever is the next one banned) right back here again in a few months.... getting ready to stand in solidarity yet again.
I haven't been here long enough to know all the 'politics' yet I do know that if we're all donating to the site (as I am too) then we should have a say. No one can hear you if you're not here. Maybe it's been done already? Laying out the case... or maybe it needs to be.
Just my thoughts
Silly as they might be...
hopefully you'll read this now and not in 26 days... give or take.
💜
B
There aren't many voices like yours or hers here. I look forward to them, every day.
I understand the solidarity.
Completely. 100%
Yet I wonder if that is what's expected.
Your response, that is.
To also go silent, like you've previously done
I've learned that sometimes you need to keep them guessing...
To stay and develop some other form of 'trouble' (stealing from John Lewis) to actually get changes made. Otherwise what difference does it make? No changes = The status quo
Then you're (or Sky or whoever is the next one banned) right back here again in a few months.... getting ready to stand in solidarity yet again.
I haven't been here long enough to know all the 'politics' yet I do know that if we're all donating to the site (as I am too) then we should have a say. No one can hear you if you're not here. Maybe it's been done already? Laying out the case... or maybe it needs to be.
Just my thoughts
Silly as they might be...
hopefully you'll read this now and not in 26 days... give or take.
💜
B
against my better judgement, i did read your comment
glad i did
sorry if i cause you pain, (unless you like it, then do you want more?)
your thoughts are important
never forget that
your thoughts are important
a. i am a sadist, inflicting pain brings joy
b. i am an observer these things often have a life of their own and i enjoy watching the unfolding, usually anger, catty remarks, gossip and eventually identification and discussion of important stuff
c. you are right. change usually requires action
d. silence is one form of action
e. you are right. keeping them guessing is effective
so my silence will be of unknown duration (except to me, i guess)
f. in honor of Mr. Lewis i promise to make some trouble (at a place and time known only to me)
g. i also don't know all of the politics...i am learning
h. just say 'no' to the status quo
i. thank you for your kind support
(your thoughts are important)
glad i did
sorry if i cause you pain, (unless you like it, then do you want more?)
your thoughts are important
never forget that
your thoughts are important
a. i am a sadist, inflicting pain brings joy
b. i am an observer these things often have a life of their own and i enjoy watching the unfolding, usually anger, catty remarks, gossip and eventually identification and discussion of important stuff
c. you are right. change usually requires action
d. silence is one form of action
e. you are right. keeping them guessing is effective
so my silence will be of unknown duration (except to me, i guess)
f. in honor of Mr. Lewis i promise to make some trouble (at a place and time known only to me)
g. i also don't know all of the politics...i am learning
h. just say 'no' to the status quo
i. thank you for your kind support
(your thoughts are important)
You are good friend to sky dancer remember that and yes censorship does suck. I hope you both come back after your month ready to write.
You seem like such an intelligent person, Kinkpoet. I still don't understand how anyone could confuse a blatant verbal attack on another as freedom of expression that should be allowed?!
Is bullying okay as long as you like the person doing the bullying? It's not Sky's message that was wrong, per se ( I never said otherwise and agree with many of her points; however, the part about me having favor with the mods is completely untrue, nor have I ever treated Tallen like shit behind the scenes ( he even confirmed that when asked why Sky accused me of such ) ); it's the way her message was delivered.
Bullying is the use of force, coercion, or threat, to abuse, aggressively dominate or intimidate. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception of an imbalance of physical or social power. This imbalance distinguishes bullying from conflict. Bullying is a subcategory of aggressive behavior characterized by the following three minimum criteria: hostile intent, imbalance of power, and repetition over a period of time. Bullying is the activity of repeated, aggressive behavior intended to hurt another individual, physically, mentally, or emotionally.
You can still support a friend's message by not condoning baseless accusations or bullying behaviour. That is what a real friend would do to keep their friend from further being banned, or perhaps perma-banned if it continues ( as it has been ).
Instead, the consequences for the behaviour is being hailed as matyrdom by other members here.
The guidelines clearly state:
You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website.
There is a difference in conflict and bullying. And, as someone who was recently attacked and falsely accused of shit by Sky, the latter has to stop. I am emotionally and spiritually stable enough to see an attack for what it is ( and am grateful for the opportunity to grow ); however, many are not. As a member put it, there are those who would take their own life if they were merely called a "cunt". Especially one who has publicly professed she has mental illness.
Support the * truth * of the message, but reject the baseless accusations and delivery if it's bullying or attacking. Unless, of course, you support bullying attacks by those you consider your friend. In which case, you're merely a part of the problem, not solution.
Love and Light
A.
Is bullying okay as long as you like the person doing the bullying? It's not Sky's message that was wrong, per se ( I never said otherwise and agree with many of her points; however, the part about me having favor with the mods is completely untrue, nor have I ever treated Tallen like shit behind the scenes ( he even confirmed that when asked why Sky accused me of such ) ); it's the way her message was delivered.
Bullying is the use of force, coercion, or threat, to abuse, aggressively dominate or intimidate. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception of an imbalance of physical or social power. This imbalance distinguishes bullying from conflict. Bullying is a subcategory of aggressive behavior characterized by the following three minimum criteria: hostile intent, imbalance of power, and repetition over a period of time. Bullying is the activity of repeated, aggressive behavior intended to hurt another individual, physically, mentally, or emotionally.
You can still support a friend's message by not condoning baseless accusations or bullying behaviour. That is what a real friend would do to keep their friend from further being banned, or perhaps perma-banned if it continues ( as it has been ).
Instead, the consequences for the behaviour is being hailed as matyrdom by other members here.
The guidelines clearly state:
You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website.
There is a difference in conflict and bullying. And, as someone who was recently attacked and falsely accused of shit by Sky, the latter has to stop. I am emotionally and spiritually stable enough to see an attack for what it is ( and am grateful for the opportunity to grow ); however, many are not. As a member put it, there are those who would take their own life if they were merely called a "cunt". Especially one who has publicly professed she has mental illness.
Support the * truth * of the message, but reject the baseless accusations and delivery if it's bullying or attacking. Unless, of course, you support bullying attacks by those you consider your friend. In which case, you're merely a part of the problem, not solution.
Love and Light
A.
I posted my reply here so that I could use editing functions:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/396592-reply-to-a/
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/396592-reply-to-a/
What good does it do to post it if you're going to turn the comments off? Are you afraid of the answers?
Two clarifications: firstly, I was not being sarcastic nor condescending; I was being genuine. But, at least I know what filter you're responding through. Secondly, Missy is not my friend; that is widely known. I simply don't believe in bullying via verbal attacks and accusations without proof on ANYONE. We should ALL be against bullying and blatant verbal attacks.
Listen, if you honestly feel that Sky's post was not a blatant verbal attack against another member of this site, what DO you consider a verbal attack?
Do you think we should be able to call anyone anything we like without consequence? Do you think we should be able to publicly accuse anyone of anything we 'think' without proof just because we 'think' it?!
I don't care why Sky thought I was paying moderators off; or that I have favor with them: it's flat out not true. Or why she accused me of treating Tallen like shit behind the scenes ( he certainly denies it ). Maybe she is the one who needs to discuss things with others, or at least have proof before posting baseless accusations.
So you support, egg-on, and cheerlead until your heart's desire from the sidelines all you want. I'll stand up to the bullying abuse of others, even if I don't personally care for them.
Two clarifications: firstly, I was not being sarcastic nor condescending; I was being genuine. But, at least I know what filter you're responding through. Secondly, Missy is not my friend; that is widely known. I simply don't believe in bullying via verbal attacks and accusations without proof on ANYONE. We should ALL be against bullying and blatant verbal attacks.
Listen, if you honestly feel that Sky's post was not a blatant verbal attack against another member of this site, what DO you consider a verbal attack?
Do you think we should be able to call anyone anything we like without consequence? Do you think we should be able to publicly accuse anyone of anything we 'think' without proof just because we 'think' it?!
I don't care why Sky thought I was paying moderators off; or that I have favor with them: it's flat out not true. Or why she accused me of treating Tallen like shit behind the scenes ( he certainly denies it ). Maybe she is the one who needs to discuss things with others, or at least have proof before posting baseless accusations.
So you support, egg-on, and cheerlead until your heart's desire from the sidelines all you want. I'll stand up to the bullying abuse of others, even if I don't personally care for them.
Kinkpoet, based on your behaviour, you obviously don't have all the facts or are pretending you don't.
I suggest you consult with Madame Lavender as to how many times Sky was flagged for unprovoked attacks and how many times she was banned in response to said attacks since the beginning of this year - on Ahavati, myself, Missy and "the Mods".
I certainly don't appreciate being referred to in the forum on multiple occasions as an "online sexual predator" aside from the repeated unsolicited insults against Ahavati.
Her repeated unsubstantiated inferences and accusations that we pay moderators or via Carpe's account that we fix competions is just petty and tiresome.
And Ahavati has never bullied Tallen, but welcomed him to this site while he was at odds with other members over his return.
Do yourself a favor and get your facts straight before you create further public spectacles and needlessly prolonge this drama.
I suggest you consult with Madame Lavender as to how many times Sky was flagged for unprovoked attacks and how many times she was banned in response to said attacks since the beginning of this year - on Ahavati, myself, Missy and "the Mods".
I certainly don't appreciate being referred to in the forum on multiple occasions as an "online sexual predator" aside from the repeated unsolicited insults against Ahavati.
Her repeated unsubstantiated inferences and accusations that we pay moderators or via Carpe's account that we fix competions is just petty and tiresome.
And Ahavati has never bullied Tallen, but welcomed him to this site while he was at odds with other members over his return.
Do yourself a favor and get your facts straight before you create further public spectacles and needlessly prolonge this drama.
13th Sep 2020 6:18pm
I have no need to pretend. Perhaps you should probably be banned for that unsubstantiated accusation, unless it is simply your uninformed opinion, if so, carry on.
You are correct, I am probably not fully informed.. II do not follow every forum, and am also not aware of all of the previous history on this site.
I was not aware of accusations of sexual predation and I am glad they are not true.
I do not know Madame Lavender except for reading a few of her poems and seeing a few comments.. Is she a moderator or site historian? Does she have something to do with the current issue?
Carpes account? Fixed competitions? Is that what the issue was about? Not sure what that means. Can you clarify? Again, I probably don’t have all of the information.
Now, JohnnyBlaze, who is dramatizing ?
You are correct, I am probably not fully informed.. II do not follow every forum, and am also not aware of all of the previous history on this site.
I was not aware of accusations of sexual predation and I am glad they are not true.
I do not know Madame Lavender except for reading a few of her poems and seeing a few comments.. Is she a moderator or site historian? Does she have something to do with the current issue?
Carpes account? Fixed competitions? Is that what the issue was about? Not sure what that means. Can you clarify? Again, I probably don’t have all of the information.
Now, JohnnyBlaze, who is dramatizing ?
Ahavati-Find my reply here:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/396667-reply-to-a-2/
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/396667-reply-to-a-2/
13th Sep 2020 6:43pm
No thanks, Kinpoet. I have no desire to read something from someone who doesn't even know ( nor wants to know ) all the facts to a situation; but, rather, allows themselves to be spoonfed half the story and then acts. You are keeping this drama alive not for the resolution of bullying, but for the sake of attention.
"Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions." —Else you would've asked to see the whole truth before acting.
Sorry, your attention quota has expired.
"Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions." —Else you would've asked to see the whole truth before acting.
Sorry, your attention quota has expired.
MadameLavender is the lead moderator who has all the information you need regarding Sky being banned 3 times so far this year.
The 1st ban involved harassing Ahavati and Missy and accusing them both of abusing Tallen. Tallen has seen the screenshots of these abusive posts by Sky. He can validate this.
Her harassments have continued since then.
Get your facts from factual sources. All you have to do is ask for it.
Your words:
"Who was the target or targets?
Were the attacks unprovoked, or in response to something?
What is the ‘bully’s perspective (did they feel attacked, threatened or coerced)? It sounds to me as if Sky may have felt intimidated, threatened and unheard.
Was the behavior defensive to a perceived threat and misinterpreted as “bullying”.
Did the moderators listen to both sides impartially?
Were sanctions imposed equally on both parties? Why or why not?
Do the terms of service need to be more explicit?"
Ask the mods.
The 1st ban involved harassing Ahavati and Missy and accusing them both of abusing Tallen. Tallen has seen the screenshots of these abusive posts by Sky. He can validate this.
Her harassments have continued since then.
Get your facts from factual sources. All you have to do is ask for it.
Your words:
"Who was the target or targets?
Were the attacks unprovoked, or in response to something?
What is the ‘bully’s perspective (did they feel attacked, threatened or coerced)? It sounds to me as if Sky may have felt intimidated, threatened and unheard.
Was the behavior defensive to a perceived threat and misinterpreted as “bullying”.
Did the moderators listen to both sides impartially?
Were sanctions imposed equally on both parties? Why or why not?
Do the terms of service need to be more explicit?"
Ask the mods.
@Ahavati: Your choice, but seems cowardly since I am engaging instead of simply letting you have the last word on my censorship poem. Remember, you chose to comment there.
