AI content concerns and solutions
fiveamtuesday said:We quarantine the AI arts to their own sub-option.
I don’t want this idea to be overlooked, it is the most important idea in the thread. It would be nice to have a dedicated forum for AI generated content. For one, we can learn from it and improve our own writing, but also it will educate us on how to spot AI generated content.
I don’t want this idea to be overlooked, it is the most important idea in the thread. It would be nice to have a dedicated forum for AI generated content. For one, we can learn from it and improve our own writing, but also it will educate us on how to spot AI generated content.
Noble_Incubus said:You have to have the one year time requirement, the twenty poem requirement won’t work by itself, AI will easily circumvent that.
Nothing is stopping new members from writing and publishing poetry, they can even write responses to competitions, they just can’t enter them. I fail to see why a one year wait is a problem.
We have discussed this some time time ago, either on the forums or moderator conference as a tool to combat human interference with competitions.
may have been 6months rather than a year. ultimately we would be taking away part of the experience for newbies which you and I had when we joined
I don't really enter comps much anymore, but I am still reluctant to support withdrawing them altogether from newbies
A dedicated group for AI was suggested on the first page of this forum.
Nothing is stopping new members from writing and publishing poetry, they can even write responses to competitions, they just can’t enter them. I fail to see why a one year wait is a problem.
We have discussed this some time time ago, either on the forums or moderator conference as a tool to combat human interference with competitions.
may have been 6months rather than a year. ultimately we would be taking away part of the experience for newbies which you and I had when we joined
I don't really enter comps much anymore, but I am still reluctant to support withdrawing them altogether from newbies
A dedicated group for AI was suggested on the first page of this forum.
Noble_Incubus said:
I don’t want this idea to be overlooked, it is the most important idea in the thread. It would be nice to have a dedicated forum for AI generated content. For one, we can learn from it and improve our own writing, but also it will educate us on how to spot AI generated content.
I agree, but I think one of the biggest hurdles to this solution will be compliance. How will we make sure that folks are posting AI generated content in the appropriate place? If someone is setting out with the intention of posting AI generated content as their own, what will encourage them to post it in the labeled forum instead of to their own pages and entering them into contests? Will we rely on members spotting and then reporting the content to admin?
I don’t want this idea to be overlooked, it is the most important idea in the thread. It would be nice to have a dedicated forum for AI generated content. For one, we can learn from it and improve our own writing, but also it will educate us on how to spot AI generated content.
I agree, but I think one of the biggest hurdles to this solution will be compliance. How will we make sure that folks are posting AI generated content in the appropriate place? If someone is setting out with the intention of posting AI generated content as their own, what will encourage them to post it in the labeled forum instead of to their own pages and entering them into contests? Will we rely on members spotting and then reporting the content to admin?
LunaGreyhawk said:
I agree, but I think one of the biggest hurdles to this solution will be compliance. How will we make sure that folks are posting AI generated content in the appropriate place? If someone is setting out with the intention of posting AI generated content as their own, what will encourage them to post it in the labeled forum instead of to their own pages and entering them into contests? Will we rely on members spotting and then reporting the content to admin?
That would seem like true physics Luna, assuming the site guidelines are amended for the publication of content not originating with the person posting it, in terms of AI bot generated content, and content copy pasted surreptitiously to the site, passed off as original content, such as our most current experience, flagged for attention by the site moderators.
I agree, but I think one of the biggest hurdles to this solution will be compliance. How will we make sure that folks are posting AI generated content in the appropriate place? If someone is setting out with the intention of posting AI generated content as their own, what will encourage them to post it in the labeled forum instead of to their own pages and entering them into contests? Will we rely on members spotting and then reporting the content to admin?
That would seem like true physics Luna, assuming the site guidelines are amended for the publication of content not originating with the person posting it, in terms of AI bot generated content, and content copy pasted surreptitiously to the site, passed off as original content, such as our most current experience, flagged for attention by the site moderators.
I slept on this last night and awoke realizing, that we can't stop AI. It's here. We can defend but that doesn't make the "outlaw" go away. The system works only if the parasites are removed. Who is going to be the critter ridder? Who is going to be the apologist if someone is wrongly accused? If this turns into our own "Trojan Horse," then we are the losers. The word, "loser," is an over used word. But that is what the person is. I pride myself on integrity, many don't. People have to use common sense. I don't have the answer but I get by on being who I am and not an idiot lying to get a trophy. I can sum it up with one sentence. "A narcistic deranged fool."
I'm taken back to the classic argument of realist painters who consider the "Painterly Style" followed by Impressionism, Expressionism, etc. etc. down through "Photo Realism" not real art. Times are changing, hell, they've already changed. The question is not how to stop it, because you can't. The question is how to integrate it into what is, because it's not going anywhere. A new generation is going to rise with it ( and more ) under their belt.
A separate forum for AI generated poetry would be good and something we could learn from. AI critiques are welcome on my submissions, but it would be nice to know it was AI. It's not like there's nothing we can't learn from. We can learn from everything if we're open-minded enough to learn.
Where it becomes shade is when someone attributes the AI poem/critique to themselves. That comes down to the personal character of the submitter. If they're ashamed to admit they used AI, they shouldn't be using it, much less claiming it's theirs. The concept may be, but the body isn't.
A separate forum for AI generated poetry would be good and something we could learn from. AI critiques are welcome on my submissions, but it would be nice to know it was AI. It's not like there's nothing we can't learn from. We can learn from everything if we're open-minded enough to learn.
Where it becomes shade is when someone attributes the AI poem/critique to themselves. That comes down to the personal character of the submitter. If they're ashamed to admit they used AI, they shouldn't be using it, much less claiming it's theirs. The concept may be, but the body isn't.
Hey, I meant to chime in and note that our bot boy has TWO poem of the month nominations.
We can’t tell the difference.
I would continue to speak against a year. Shit, I’ve never had a concurrent year of attendance on this site. Personally I drop in, shit some porn, fuck off for a few months, drop back in for a short time, dump, fuck off for a decade, drop back in for a few months.
Entering contests is fun. And it grows you as a writer - to see what other people do with their interpretation of a prompt versus what you do with it.
And nobody needs that more than our noobs.
DanielChristensen said:
A review system sounds like a feasible approach, if they have enough time to go through so many entries.
As we've seen we are able to reasonably spot this content and it seems to be established that it is not authentic and therefore subject to removal and censure as per the existing site rules, we can report it to a site moderator. Now we are moving into how to protect the integrity of contests from AI bot generated content.
Pretty good ideas so far. Let's keep em coming.
so...here's a question/thought for us to ponder. I have spent the morning pasting some of my poems into an AI detector. Most of them all came back as fully human. Some came back in the range of 95-99% likely human. I had one short poem that came back as 67% likely that it was AI and human created. I assure you that I have never tried to pass off any AI generated poems as my own. I have never used AI to try and generate a poem.
if we are going to take it upon ourselves to 'check' if poems/comments are AI generated and then start pointing fingers, how will we actually know if the AI detector is right? which detector do we use? what percentage of AI and human is acceptable? Does it have to be 100% human for us to say that it is allowed? do we look at someone's track record/character before we make a judgement? What if it's a newbie and we don't know their character?
if we are going to take it upon ourselves to 'check' if poems/comments are AI generated and then start pointing fingers, how will we actually know if the AI detector is right? which detector do we use? what percentage of AI and human is acceptable? Does it have to be 100% human for us to say that it is allowed? do we look at someone's track record/character before we make a judgement? What if it's a newbie and we don't know their character?
Nothing shocks me any longer. It amazes me, to what some people will do for attention. At some point in his pathetic life. a wheel fell off. As any been in contact with of sites about the AI poaching? I just have a feeling that this idiot will not go away. I own a bookshop and I am asking all my customers what they think about, "cheat writing."
DaisyGrace said:so...here's a question/thought for us to ponder. I have spent the morning pasting some of my poems into an AI detector. Most of them all came back as fully human. Some came back in the range of 95-99% likely human. I had one short poem that came back as 67% likely that it was AI and human created. I assure you that I have never tried to pass off any AI generated poems as my own. I have never used AI to try and generate a poem.
if we are going to take it upon ourselves to 'check' if poems/comments are AI generated and then start pointing fingers, how will we actually know if the AI detector is right? which detector do we use? what percentage of AI and human is acceptable? Does it have to be 100% human for us to say that it is allowed? do we look at someone's track record/character before we make a judgement? What if it's a newbie and we don't know their character?
It's impossible to truly know anyone's character, including veterans of this site. We can expend too much time attempting to exclude the future, just as those realist painters I previously mentioned attempted to exclude the evolution of painting. And thank God they didn't succeed because some of the most beautiful pieces of art are expressionism, etc.
The future is here. The Age of Aquarius is upon us, especially with Pluto moving into Aquarius. Things are going to be shaken up. Old constructs are going to fall. Technology will rise and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The best thing we can personally do is rely on our intuition when dealing with anyone on this site ( or any other ).
The best thing to do as a collective on this site is suggest ways to integrate it into the present in a fair and objective way. As far as I see it, competitions are the only caveat to AI?
if we are going to take it upon ourselves to 'check' if poems/comments are AI generated and then start pointing fingers, how will we actually know if the AI detector is right? which detector do we use? what percentage of AI and human is acceptable? Does it have to be 100% human for us to say that it is allowed? do we look at someone's track record/character before we make a judgement? What if it's a newbie and we don't know their character?
It's impossible to truly know anyone's character, including veterans of this site. We can expend too much time attempting to exclude the future, just as those realist painters I previously mentioned attempted to exclude the evolution of painting. And thank God they didn't succeed because some of the most beautiful pieces of art are expressionism, etc.
The future is here. The Age of Aquarius is upon us, especially with Pluto moving into Aquarius. Things are going to be shaken up. Old constructs are going to fall. Technology will rise and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The best thing we can personally do is rely on our intuition when dealing with anyone on this site ( or any other ).
The best thing to do as a collective on this site is suggest ways to integrate it into the present in a fair and objective way. As far as I see it, competitions are the only caveat to AI?
Ahavati said:
It's impossible to truly know anyone's character, including veterans of this site. We can expend too much time attempting to exclude the future, just as those realist painters I previously mentioned attempted to exclude the evolution of painting. And thank God they didn't succeed because some of the most beautiful pieces of art are expressionism, etc.
The future is here. The Age of Aquarius is upon us, especially with Pluto moving into Aquarius. Things are going to be shaken up. Old constructs are going to fall. Technology will rise and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The best thing we can do is rely on our intuition when dealing with anyone on this site ( or any other ).
The best thing to do is suggest ways to integrate it into the present in a fair and objective way. As far as I see it, competitions are the only caveat to AI?
that is exactly my point. we don't know anyone on this site. not really. there is an assumption of trust (at least on my part) that people are who they say they are. if I say i created that 67% likely to be human and AI poem, then I assume people believe me. That's probably not the case, but it's what it's.
Running my poems through an AI detector made it feel like technology is as bad at picking out AI generated poems as AI is at writing poems. Which leads me back to not caring if people are using AI or not. Because at this point, we don't really know. I ran a comment of mr black's through an AI detector and it came back 68% likely that it was AI and human generated. so did he write it? was it AI generated? did he take an AI generated comment and then make a few changes? I ran his two poems that are in the poem of the month competition through and they came back as 100% likely that they are fully human.
so....i'm confused.
again, i don't really know any of the drama surrounding it all. people are making assumptions he has multiple accounts and awarding himself trophies. WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE if that's the case. But, if you are relying on AI detectors, his two poems up for vote are 100% likely written by a human.
i used these two detectors:
https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/?fpr=penguin
https://gptzero.me/
It's impossible to truly know anyone's character, including veterans of this site. We can expend too much time attempting to exclude the future, just as those realist painters I previously mentioned attempted to exclude the evolution of painting. And thank God they didn't succeed because some of the most beautiful pieces of art are expressionism, etc.
The future is here. The Age of Aquarius is upon us, especially with Pluto moving into Aquarius. Things are going to be shaken up. Old constructs are going to fall. Technology will rise and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The best thing we can do is rely on our intuition when dealing with anyone on this site ( or any other ).
The best thing to do is suggest ways to integrate it into the present in a fair and objective way. As far as I see it, competitions are the only caveat to AI?
that is exactly my point. we don't know anyone on this site. not really. there is an assumption of trust (at least on my part) that people are who they say they are. if I say i created that 67% likely to be human and AI poem, then I assume people believe me. That's probably not the case, but it's what it's.
Running my poems through an AI detector made it feel like technology is as bad at picking out AI generated poems as AI is at writing poems. Which leads me back to not caring if people are using AI or not. Because at this point, we don't really know. I ran a comment of mr black's through an AI detector and it came back 68% likely that it was AI and human generated. so did he write it? was it AI generated? did he take an AI generated comment and then make a few changes? I ran his two poems that are in the poem of the month competition through and they came back as 100% likely that they are fully human.
so....i'm confused.
again, i don't really know any of the drama surrounding it all. people are making assumptions he has multiple accounts and awarding himself trophies. WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE if that's the case. But, if you are relying on AI detectors, his two poems up for vote are 100% likely written by a human.
i used these two detectors:
https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/?fpr=penguin
https://gptzero.me/
DaisyGrace said:
that is exactly my point. we don't know anyone on this site. not really. there is an assumption of trust (at least on my part) that people are who they say they are. if I say i created that 67% likely to be human and AI poem, then I assume people believe me. That's probably not the case, but it's what it's.
Sorry. You mentioned "newbs" specifically. But I agree we don't truly know anyone.
Running my poems through an AI detector made it feel like technology is as bad at picking out AI generated poems as AI is at writing poems. Which leads me back to not caring if people are using AI or not. Because at this point, we don't really know. I ran a comment of mr black's through an AI detector and it came back 68% likely that it was AI and human generated. so did he write it? was it AI generated? did he take an AI generated comment and then make a few changes? I ran his two poems that are in the poem of the month competition through and they came back as 100% likely that they are fully human.
so....i'm confused.
I'm not. I feel like the site is crucifying someone who may be coloring outside of the lines of what they personally feel is acceptable. And there's nothing wrong with that, if that's how they feel and the action they choose to pursue. But it doesn't reflect the site as a whole, which is why this discussion is here, apparently.
again, i don't really know any of the drama surrounding it all. people are making assumptions he has multiple accounts and awarding himself trophies. WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE if that's the case. But, if you are relying on AI detectors, his two poems up for vote are 100% likely written by a human.
i used these two detectors:
https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/?fpr=penguin
https://gptzero.me/
For the fun of it, I ran one of mine through ( I have never used an AI to create a poem ), and it came back 100% human. I decided to run one from my defunct account, Ex Machina, and it was 68% human ( which kinda made me happy because I was attempting to write from a machine's perspective, and this verified I was close ).
Yet, I am certain I would be accused of writing it with an AI and editing it had I posted it today.
To those who are using an AI ( if any ): it's okay to color outside the lines. Be proud of what you are creating - but it would behoove you to be honest and not ashamed enough to hide it. You're welcome on my page anytime.
that is exactly my point. we don't know anyone on this site. not really. there is an assumption of trust (at least on my part) that people are who they say they are. if I say i created that 67% likely to be human and AI poem, then I assume people believe me. That's probably not the case, but it's what it's.
Sorry. You mentioned "newbs" specifically. But I agree we don't truly know anyone.
Running my poems through an AI detector made it feel like technology is as bad at picking out AI generated poems as AI is at writing poems. Which leads me back to not caring if people are using AI or not. Because at this point, we don't really know. I ran a comment of mr black's through an AI detector and it came back 68% likely that it was AI and human generated. so did he write it? was it AI generated? did he take an AI generated comment and then make a few changes? I ran his two poems that are in the poem of the month competition through and they came back as 100% likely that they are fully human.
so....i'm confused.
I'm not. I feel like the site is crucifying someone who may be coloring outside of the lines of what they personally feel is acceptable. And there's nothing wrong with that, if that's how they feel and the action they choose to pursue. But it doesn't reflect the site as a whole, which is why this discussion is here, apparently.
again, i don't really know any of the drama surrounding it all. people are making assumptions he has multiple accounts and awarding himself trophies. WHICH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE if that's the case. But, if you are relying on AI detectors, his two poems up for vote are 100% likely written by a human.
i used these two detectors:
https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/?fpr=penguin
https://gptzero.me/
For the fun of it, I ran one of mine through ( I have never used an AI to create a poem ), and it came back 100% human. I decided to run one from my defunct account, Ex Machina, and it was 68% human ( which kinda made me happy because I was attempting to write from a machine's perspective, and this verified I was close ).
Yet, I am certain I would be accused of writing it with an AI and editing it had I posted it today.
To those who are using an AI ( if any ): it's okay to color outside the lines. Be proud of what you are creating - but it would behoove you to be honest and not ashamed enough to hide it. You're welcome on my page anytime.
because i'm curious, i ran this completely AI generated poem through the gptzero.me detector thingy and it came back that it was likely written by a human.
Silence fills the house,
No more the paws, no more the barks,
The playful tail, and the friendly licks,
All are gone, all is quiet.
The memories remain, though,
The walks, the games, the snuggles,
The moments of joy and comfort,
Now etched forever in our hearts.
But grief weighs heavy,
The pain of loss, the ache of absence,
The sense of emptiness and sorrow,
All too real, all too raw.
Time will heal, they say,
But for now, we mourn and weep,
For a dear companion and a loyal friend,
Forever missed, forever loved.
so how the hell do you all know he's using AI to generate poems?
Silence fills the house,
No more the paws, no more the barks,
The playful tail, and the friendly licks,
All are gone, all is quiet.
The memories remain, though,
The walks, the games, the snuggles,
The moments of joy and comfort,
Now etched forever in our hearts.
But grief weighs heavy,
The pain of loss, the ache of absence,
The sense of emptiness and sorrow,
All too real, all too raw.
Time will heal, they say,
But for now, we mourn and weep,
For a dear companion and a loyal friend,
Forever missed, forever loved.
so how the hell do you all know he's using AI to generate poems?
