Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II
Anonymous
Layla said:I'm baffled like many people out there what exactly do the people want besides the fact that they want this whole situation to go away so that we can reclaim our lives and no more deaths from this virus.
It looks like there are 4 types of people:
1. The ones who are waiting for the vaccine impatiently.
2. The ones who are waiting for the vaccine but are hesitant, awaiting to see if the ones who will take first will be okay.
3. Refuse to take it under any circumstances.
4. Believe in herd immunity, naturally getting it, surviving and becoming immune to it.
(I fall in the 4th category)
Now, in the case of the woman that I mentioned who is being legally forced to be quarantined, ankle bracelet and having to call the health dept to get permission to leave her house because she voluntarily took the test and was tested positive even though she didn't have any symptoms, feeling healthy and fine; a asymptotic.
Obviously, because she tested positive hence she was added to the numbers as another 'case' of people who have tested positive.
What does society and the government want to do with her and there are many many people like her, who have tested positive..added to the numbers..and are living perfectly fine.
Would the officials, the people of america keep her in quarantined as threat to society, would they enforce her to take monthly test? till...perhaps she tests negative? if that's something even happens..do we even know that?!
(I'm sure there will be a point made that there are different strains of the virus and that its never ending saga but then the debate will go round and round that it all comes down to ones health and immune system.)
Since majority have come to terms that this virus is not going away and the best way is either getting it naturally and having our bodies to accept syntactically thru a vaccine.
When will we stop these heavy measurements, the kind that is seen in kentucky or the one that mr. Lepp posted, as I'm sure that are many other stories like that all over this country and elsewhere.
The percise point of this post is...would someone who got immune to it naturally, be acceptable?
I understand that the goal is no one wants to die from this.
What do you want for yourself?
And what do you want from others, besides that bandaid thing called 'mask', 6 feet distancing..all those bs that none are working?
Just to be clear, the mask and 6 foot and lockdowns things didn't start out as a bandaid. And because those things were either lax in some areas, given up on too early in other areas, and all over because of the protests - now? The situation is like a nicked artery that won't clot.
We had a good handle on it and people got sloppy.
In my opinion, we're at the point where each person needs to do whatever it is to keep themselves safe because it is going to keep spreading out of control until a vaccine comes along.
i personally don't approve of anyone being forcibly quarantined, unless those people know they are infected and are purposely passing to others.
It looks like there are 4 types of people:
1. The ones who are waiting for the vaccine impatiently.
2. The ones who are waiting for the vaccine but are hesitant, awaiting to see if the ones who will take first will be okay.
3. Refuse to take it under any circumstances.
4. Believe in herd immunity, naturally getting it, surviving and becoming immune to it.
(I fall in the 4th category)
Now, in the case of the woman that I mentioned who is being legally forced to be quarantined, ankle bracelet and having to call the health dept to get permission to leave her house because she voluntarily took the test and was tested positive even though she didn't have any symptoms, feeling healthy and fine; a asymptotic.
Obviously, because she tested positive hence she was added to the numbers as another 'case' of people who have tested positive.
What does society and the government want to do with her and there are many many people like her, who have tested positive..added to the numbers..and are living perfectly fine.
Would the officials, the people of america keep her in quarantined as threat to society, would they enforce her to take monthly test? till...perhaps she tests negative? if that's something even happens..do we even know that?!
(I'm sure there will be a point made that there are different strains of the virus and that its never ending saga but then the debate will go round and round that it all comes down to ones health and immune system.)
Since majority have come to terms that this virus is not going away and the best way is either getting it naturally and having our bodies to accept syntactically thru a vaccine.
When will we stop these heavy measurements, the kind that is seen in kentucky or the one that mr. Lepp posted, as I'm sure that are many other stories like that all over this country and elsewhere.
The percise point of this post is...would someone who got immune to it naturally, be acceptable?
I understand that the goal is no one wants to die from this.
What do you want for yourself?
And what do you want from others, besides that bandaid thing called 'mask', 6 feet distancing..all those bs that none are working?
Just to be clear, the mask and 6 foot and lockdowns things didn't start out as a bandaid. And because those things were either lax in some areas, given up on too early in other areas, and all over because of the protests - now? The situation is like a nicked artery that won't clot.
We had a good handle on it and people got sloppy.
In my opinion, we're at the point where each person needs to do whatever it is to keep themselves safe because it is going to keep spreading out of control until a vaccine comes along.
i personally don't approve of anyone being forcibly quarantined, unless those people know they are infected and are purposely passing to others.
The U.S. fought over everything; it still is. Everything from whether the virus was real or not; lockdown, masks, quarantine, mass conspiracies, BLM, you name it - the U.S. fought about it. That's why nothing could get solidly done - each state did their own thing via the governors, because the president didn't want to take complete control like Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand did because, election year.
What we needed was strong leadership at the forefront of our country. What we got was judgment regarding democratic or republican governors doing this or that ( even if it wasn't true, or only half the story ), and states all over the map regarding lockdowns, quarantines, masks, and so forth.
I can't say the very ones who have fought everything from this "Gosh darn Chinese" virus to lockdowns to masks over the potential fear of losing freedoms have caused this quagmire of circumstance, because the buck stops at the top - and the top is the presidential office with congress and the house.
I don't care if you're a dem, rep, independent, or whatever, no one can argue the FACT that we needed strong, UNITED leadership across the board. Are we going to learn from that moving forward or not?
Probably not, because people, even from other countries, are arguing and/or fanning flames of discord surrounding U.S. policies. It makes them feel somewhat in control of their own lives. That's fine, until we fail to see that reasoning. . . then it's complete chaos.
What we needed was strong leadership at the forefront of our country. What we got was judgment regarding democratic or republican governors doing this or that ( even if it wasn't true, or only half the story ), and states all over the map regarding lockdowns, quarantines, masks, and so forth.
I can't say the very ones who have fought everything from this "Gosh darn Chinese" virus to lockdowns to masks over the potential fear of losing freedoms have caused this quagmire of circumstance, because the buck stops at the top - and the top is the presidential office with congress and the house.
I don't care if you're a dem, rep, independent, or whatever, no one can argue the FACT that we needed strong, UNITED leadership across the board. Are we going to learn from that moving forward or not?
Probably not, because people, even from other countries, are arguing and/or fanning flames of discord surrounding U.S. policies. It makes them feel somewhat in control of their own lives. That's fine, until we fail to see that reasoning. . . then it's complete chaos.
https://www.facebook.com/1153316510/posts/10222884451797162/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i
Australian (Perth) health minister advised against wearing masks unless the person has symptoms. the video shows how most masks except the n95 surgical mask is ineffective. health minister says the n95 should be reserved for hospital staff, people should not be drawing on the precious ppe
Australian (Perth) health minister advised against wearing masks unless the person has symptoms. the video shows how most masks except the n95 surgical mask is ineffective. health minister says the n95 should be reserved for hospital staff, people should not be drawing on the precious ppe
You know, many, many moons ago, there were scientific studies regarding the types of masks, and the efficiency of their filtering. These studies include statistics, percentages, and actual photos!
And yet, during covid-19 the mask is suddenly a mystery, or it's a call to war, and/or everyone is confused.
Studies have shown that face masks reduce the exposure to PM and other contaminants (Singh et al., 2010; Chughtai, Seale & MacIntyre, 2013; MacIntyre et al., 2015; Shakya et al., 2017). The most commonly used face masks are cloth masks (CMs) and surgical masks (SMs). The effectiveness of a mask is measured by its filtering efficiency.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20shown%20that%20face%20masks%20reduce%20the,a%20mask%20is%20measured%20by%20its%20filtering%20efficiency.
And yet, during covid-19 the mask is suddenly a mystery, or it's a call to war, and/or everyone is confused.
Studies have shown that face masks reduce the exposure to PM and other contaminants (Singh et al., 2010; Chughtai, Seale & MacIntyre, 2013; MacIntyre et al., 2015; Shakya et al., 2017). The most commonly used face masks are cloth masks (CMs) and surgical masks (SMs). The effectiveness of a mask is measured by its filtering efficiency.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20shown%20that%20face%20masks%20reduce%20the,a%20mask%20is%20measured%20by%20its%20filtering%20efficiency.
Yes, I do agree.
These measures all started with the idea that it will curb and there will be a handle..or at least borrow sometime before the officials devised a permenant plan to control the virus spreading.
But, it didn't happen.
And that's my point with my questions.
Where do we go from here, it ain't working. And when I say it aint working, i'm not saying masks don't work or the 6 ft apart distancing. I'm saying no one is truly doing either or both of those things fully and completely. It was impossible back in April and certainly impossible now 5 months into it.
IMO, i think our gov should've done in April for 2 weeks complete quarantine , how in that video showed which Mr. Lepp posted but again, a size of our country and especially with limited resources of policing and the constitutional rights, it would've never worked.
My gripe in all this is, nothing was applied uniformly. No one was wearing the same types of masks, no info by the health officials how to wear it, how often to change. Minimizing the hours of operation of essential stores (idealy 3 hrs in the morning, 3 hrs in the evening) so that people sat their asses down at home.
And the blame goes back and forth between the R's and D's but worse is people against each other, its pretty ugly out there!
As for cases rising from protests or numbers are rising period.
We have to realize that back in march, april and early may not that many were voluntarily getting tested. Workplaces were not taking their employee's temps. Only if one walked in a health care clinic they took their temps.
Then back to the question, if people test positive and asymptotic, what do we do with them?
Where do we go from here when whatever they've emphasized, the masks, the social distancing..it's not really working because people aren't doing it as guided and it's impossible at this stage to force them..or they might, who knows.
JohnnyBlaze said:
Just to be clear, the mask and 6 foot and lockdowns things didn't start out as a bandaid. And because those things were either lax in some areas, given up on too early in other areas, and all over because of the protests - now? The situation is like a nicked artery that won't clot.
We had a good handle on it and people got sloppy.
In my opinion, we're at the point where each person needs to do whatever it is to keep themselves safe because it is going to keep spreading out of control until a vaccine comes along.
i personally don't approve of anyone being forcibly quarantined, unless those people know they are infected and are purposely passing to others.
These measures all started with the idea that it will curb and there will be a handle..or at least borrow sometime before the officials devised a permenant plan to control the virus spreading.
But, it didn't happen.
And that's my point with my questions.
Where do we go from here, it ain't working. And when I say it aint working, i'm not saying masks don't work or the 6 ft apart distancing. I'm saying no one is truly doing either or both of those things fully and completely. It was impossible back in April and certainly impossible now 5 months into it.
IMO, i think our gov should've done in April for 2 weeks complete quarantine , how in that video showed which Mr. Lepp posted but again, a size of our country and especially with limited resources of policing and the constitutional rights, it would've never worked.
My gripe in all this is, nothing was applied uniformly. No one was wearing the same types of masks, no info by the health officials how to wear it, how often to change. Minimizing the hours of operation of essential stores (idealy 3 hrs in the morning, 3 hrs in the evening) so that people sat their asses down at home.
And the blame goes back and forth between the R's and D's but worse is people against each other, its pretty ugly out there!
As for cases rising from protests or numbers are rising period.
We have to realize that back in march, april and early may not that many were voluntarily getting tested. Workplaces were not taking their employee's temps. Only if one walked in a health care clinic they took their temps.
Then back to the question, if people test positive and asymptotic, what do we do with them?
Where do we go from here when whatever they've emphasized, the masks, the social distancing..it's not really working because people aren't doing it as guided and it's impossible at this stage to force them..or they might, who knows.
JohnnyBlaze said:
Just to be clear, the mask and 6 foot and lockdowns things didn't start out as a bandaid. And because those things were either lax in some areas, given up on too early in other areas, and all over because of the protests - now? The situation is like a nicked artery that won't clot.
We had a good handle on it and people got sloppy.
In my opinion, we're at the point where each person needs to do whatever it is to keep themselves safe because it is going to keep spreading out of control until a vaccine comes along.
i personally don't approve of anyone being forcibly quarantined, unless those people know they are infected and are purposely passing to others.
I would have thought the video was self explanatory. In the context of what the aerosol showed. enough for the Australian government to issue the warning. it's odd, everytime we think we know what to do were given some completely different direction
Government here has issued a mandatory mask if in a shop or otherwise in a crowd since monday. I've noticed a lot of the shops I've been in aren't really enforcing it, but there are a lot of people walking around with the skimpy €1 surgical, or the new designer type, or the home made
I dont know the answers, ot the truth of it all. I think it's important to look at both sides all the time
Government here has issued a mandatory mask if in a shop or otherwise in a crowd since monday. I've noticed a lot of the shops I've been in aren't really enforcing it, but there are a lot of people walking around with the skimpy €1 surgical, or the new designer type, or the home made
I dont know the answers, ot the truth of it all. I think it's important to look at both sides all the time
lepperochan said:I would have thought the video was self explanatory. In the context of what the aerosol showed. enough for the Australian government to issue the warning. it's odd, everytime we think we know what to do were given some completely different direction
Government here has issued a mandatory mask if in a shop or otherwise in a crowd since monday. I've noticed a lot of the shops I've been in aren't really enforcing it, but there are a lot of people walking around with the skimpy €1 surgical, or the new designer type, or the home made
I dont know the answers, ot the truth of it all. I think it's important to look at both sides all the time
I wasn't negating your post. On the contrary, I was adding to it from the other side of what's been known for a decade. And why, suddenly, they're so mysterious, or in the limelight for efficiency. There are many more tests out there, why do you think medical personnel wear the KN95?
I just posted the link which supplied the majority of them all in one ( spanning a decade ). It is important to look on both sides; which is why I do by entertaining every single video or post in this thread by all members ( with the exception of two due to blatant disrespect ), as well as attempt to address them, unless they're speaking directly to another . . . or I have something of value to add.
Government here has issued a mandatory mask if in a shop or otherwise in a crowd since monday. I've noticed a lot of the shops I've been in aren't really enforcing it, but there are a lot of people walking around with the skimpy €1 surgical, or the new designer type, or the home made
I dont know the answers, ot the truth of it all. I think it's important to look at both sides all the time
I wasn't negating your post. On the contrary, I was adding to it from the other side of what's been known for a decade. And why, suddenly, they're so mysterious, or in the limelight for efficiency. There are many more tests out there, why do you think medical personnel wear the KN95?
I just posted the link which supplied the majority of them all in one ( spanning a decade ). It is important to look on both sides; which is why I do by entertaining every single video or post in this thread by all members ( with the exception of two due to blatant disrespect ), as well as attempt to address them, unless they're speaking directly to another . . . or I have something of value to add.
We need firm leadership instead of 50 governors running around like chickens with their heads cut off all doing or saying something different. President Trump has totally passed the buck on this to absolve himself of any responsibility.
He needs to step up as President of the United States and say, 'This is how it's going to be - we screwed up. We didn't listen when we should've locked down completely. Now THIS is what we're going to do to as a nation first and foremost. . . '
Until then, Layla, it's every citizen for themselves. This includes the choice of whether or not to wear a mask; whether or not to social distance from others; whether or not to take this virus seriously; or, to laugh it, mock it, disregard its existence straight out of our mind.
I choose to respect it. To wear a cloth mask doused in Thieves Oil when I go out. To saturate my hands, steering wheel, door handles, and everything else with it. I even have it burning in my diffuser to purity the air. I will not go to a restaurant nor even order out - I have my groceries delivered and I cook at home after I've wiped everything down. I spend time outdoors in the morning when it's cooler and absorb light and nature to start my day. I cleanse my home each day with sage ( said to clear the air of bacteria etc. ). I sweep and clear my personal space - clean tops etc.
Most of this is nothing new to me. Some of it is. Every person must decide what is best for themselves, keeping in mind that whatever they decide will affect those around them.
Layla said:Yes, I do agree.
These measures all started with the idea that it will curb and there will be a handle..or at least borrow sometime before the officials devised a permenant plan to control the virus spreading.
But, it didn't happen.
And that's my point with my questions.
Where do we go from here, it ain't working. And when I say it aint working, i'm not saying masks don't work or the 6 ft apart distancing. I'm saying no one is truly doing either or both of those things fully and completely. It was impossible back in April and certainly impossible now 5 months into it.
IMO, i think our gov should've done in April for 2 weeks complete quarantine , how in that video showed which Mr. Lepp posted but again, a size of our country and especially with limited resources of policing and the constitutional rights, it would've never worked.
My gripe in all this is, nothing was applied uniformly. No one was wearing the same types of masks, no info by the health officials how to wear it, how often to change. Minimizing the hours of operation of essential stores (idealy 3 hrs in the morning, 3 hrs in the evening) so that people sat their asses down at home.
And the blame goes back and forth between the R's and D's but worse is people against each other, its pretty ugly out there!
As for cases rising from protests or numbers are rising period.
We have to realize that back in march, april and early may not that many were voluntarily getting tested. Workplaces were not taking their employee's temps. Only if one walked in a health care clinic they took their temps.
Then back to the question, if people test positive and asymptotic, what do we do with them?
Where do we go from here when whatever they've emphasized, the masks, the social distancing..it's not really working because people aren't doing it as guided and it's impossible at this stage to force them..or they might, who knows.
He needs to step up as President of the United States and say, 'This is how it's going to be - we screwed up. We didn't listen when we should've locked down completely. Now THIS is what we're going to do to as a nation first and foremost. . . '
Until then, Layla, it's every citizen for themselves. This includes the choice of whether or not to wear a mask; whether or not to social distance from others; whether or not to take this virus seriously; or, to laugh it, mock it, disregard its existence straight out of our mind.
I choose to respect it. To wear a cloth mask doused in Thieves Oil when I go out. To saturate my hands, steering wheel, door handles, and everything else with it. I even have it burning in my diffuser to purity the air. I will not go to a restaurant nor even order out - I have my groceries delivered and I cook at home after I've wiped everything down. I spend time outdoors in the morning when it's cooler and absorb light and nature to start my day. I cleanse my home each day with sage ( said to clear the air of bacteria etc. ). I sweep and clear my personal space - clean tops etc.
Most of this is nothing new to me. Some of it is. Every person must decide what is best for themselves, keeping in mind that whatever they decide will affect those around them.
Layla said:Yes, I do agree.
These measures all started with the idea that it will curb and there will be a handle..or at least borrow sometime before the officials devised a permenant plan to control the virus spreading.
But, it didn't happen.
And that's my point with my questions.
Where do we go from here, it ain't working. And when I say it aint working, i'm not saying masks don't work or the 6 ft apart distancing. I'm saying no one is truly doing either or both of those things fully and completely. It was impossible back in April and certainly impossible now 5 months into it.
IMO, i think our gov should've done in April for 2 weeks complete quarantine , how in that video showed which Mr. Lepp posted but again, a size of our country and especially with limited resources of policing and the constitutional rights, it would've never worked.
My gripe in all this is, nothing was applied uniformly. No one was wearing the same types of masks, no info by the health officials how to wear it, how often to change. Minimizing the hours of operation of essential stores (idealy 3 hrs in the morning, 3 hrs in the evening) so that people sat their asses down at home.
And the blame goes back and forth between the R's and D's but worse is people against each other, its pretty ugly out there!
As for cases rising from protests or numbers are rising period.
We have to realize that back in march, april and early may not that many were voluntarily getting tested. Workplaces were not taking their employee's temps. Only if one walked in a health care clinic they took their temps.
Then back to the question, if people test positive and asymptotic, what do we do with them?
Where do we go from here when whatever they've emphasized, the masks, the social distancing..it's not really working because people aren't doing it as guided and it's impossible at this stage to force them..or they might, who knows.
Ahavati said:
I wasn't negating your post. On the contrary, I was adding to it from the other side of what's been known for a decade. And why, suddenly, they're so mysterious, or in the limelight for efficiency. There are many more tests out there, why do you think medical personnel wear the KN95?
I just posted the link which supplied the majority of them all in one ( spanning a decade ). It is important to look on both sides; which is why I do by entertaining every single video or post in this thread by all members ( with the exception of two due to blatant disrespect ), as well as attempt to address them, unless they're speaking directly to another . . . or I have something of value to add.
What's most frustrating about the whole thing is somebody is wrong. some scientists are wrong, some governments are touting the wrong advice / legislation (€200 fine here for not complying)
this could be life threatening/ it could save lives. It's probably the most important decision we or our governments have had to make since the lockdown and subsequent return to some semblance of normal
when this is over will the scientists and governments who were wrong be held to account? I very much doubt it
So how do we put our faith in and possibly our lives on the line because scientists again
I wasn't negating your post. On the contrary, I was adding to it from the other side of what's been known for a decade. And why, suddenly, they're so mysterious, or in the limelight for efficiency. There are many more tests out there, why do you think medical personnel wear the KN95?
I just posted the link which supplied the majority of them all in one ( spanning a decade ). It is important to look on both sides; which is why I do by entertaining every single video or post in this thread by all members ( with the exception of two due to blatant disrespect ), as well as attempt to address them, unless they're speaking directly to another . . . or I have something of value to add.
What's most frustrating about the whole thing is somebody is wrong. some scientists are wrong, some governments are touting the wrong advice / legislation (€200 fine here for not complying)
this could be life threatening/ it could save lives. It's probably the most important decision we or our governments have had to make since the lockdown and subsequent return to some semblance of normal
when this is over will the scientists and governments who were wrong be held to account? I very much doubt it
So how do we put our faith in and possibly our lives on the line because scientists again
lepperochan said:
What's most frustrating about the whole thing is somebody is wrong. some scientists are wrong, some governments are touting the wrong advice / legislation (€200 fine here for not complying)
this could be life threatening/ it could save lives. It's probably the most important decision we or our governments have had to make since the lockdown and subsequent return to some semblance of normal
when this is over will the scientists and governments who were wrong be held to account? I very much doubt it
So how do we put our faith in and possibly our lives on the line because scientists again
That's a good question and I don't have an answer for it. I am more reliant on studies that have been. . .and seemed to have been working for a decade. . .until covid-19 ( ironically ).
What's most frustrating about the whole thing is somebody is wrong. some scientists are wrong, some governments are touting the wrong advice / legislation (€200 fine here for not complying)
this could be life threatening/ it could save lives. It's probably the most important decision we or our governments have had to make since the lockdown and subsequent return to some semblance of normal
when this is over will the scientists and governments who were wrong be held to account? I very much doubt it
So how do we put our faith in and possibly our lives on the line because scientists again
That's a good question and I don't have an answer for it. I am more reliant on studies that have been. . .and seemed to have been working for a decade. . .until covid-19 ( ironically ).
Let's look at some realities :
1. There is no way for a lot of us to buy a number of masks...
I could only get one when a friend gifted me the very basic blue one...
Had it for the few times I went out for Late February , March , April ,
May , June , then was given another when I went to the doctor this
month , July...
All money , is rent and food , perhaps a brew...
And not a single store sells them around here , and there is no one
giving them away , so that does not help...
And standardized masks ?
Are you all going to wear the cheap version that I was given to wear ?
Who is going to supply the other versions , some want us all to wear ?
Shopping ?
I live on very , very limited income and some comes in sporadically ,
and I walk , not drive , as do many...so we *have* to go to the store
more often , and to say only certain blocks of time per day , is pure
bullshit...it is when people are able to get to stores , and any other
way is ridiculous to expect , nor do I , or many , have the money to
afford some ridiculous delivery...and who will do it for us for free ?
That doctor visit two weeks ago , was the first time I have been able
to see a doctor in a few years , due to travel and being on disability...
Medicinal oils ?
No , can not afford the ingredients...
I have lived in two households since this began , one more radical
with adults and sometimes young , with partying and guests , now
with just one person , but they work at both a thrift store , and a
very good grocery store , yet he can not shop for me...
And many others have these situations , or far , far worse , regarding
housing , work , other roommates guests , and you can not afford to
move , or live alone...
We have to do what we can...and just believe in the forces that be ( or not )
So , I just thought a little reality was needed here...
I have no problem with those who are better off , can afford more , live in
better situations , afford medicines or cleaners , or masks others of us
cannot , but please , understand , many have no choice , but to do the bare
minimum , and hope / pray for the best...
I surround myself , with thoughts , spells , and ( magickal beings ) and do my best...
Best for all of us...just put out a thought for those who cannot afford what some can...Thanks !
1. There is no way for a lot of us to buy a number of masks...
I could only get one when a friend gifted me the very basic blue one...
Had it for the few times I went out for Late February , March , April ,
May , June , then was given another when I went to the doctor this
month , July...
All money , is rent and food , perhaps a brew...
And not a single store sells them around here , and there is no one
giving them away , so that does not help...
And standardized masks ?
Are you all going to wear the cheap version that I was given to wear ?
Who is going to supply the other versions , some want us all to wear ?
Shopping ?
I live on very , very limited income and some comes in sporadically ,
and I walk , not drive , as do many...so we *have* to go to the store
more often , and to say only certain blocks of time per day , is pure
bullshit...it is when people are able to get to stores , and any other
way is ridiculous to expect , nor do I , or many , have the money to
afford some ridiculous delivery...and who will do it for us for free ?
That doctor visit two weeks ago , was the first time I have been able
to see a doctor in a few years , due to travel and being on disability...
Medicinal oils ?
No , can not afford the ingredients...
I have lived in two households since this began , one more radical
with adults and sometimes young , with partying and guests , now
with just one person , but they work at both a thrift store , and a
very good grocery store , yet he can not shop for me...
And many others have these situations , or far , far worse , regarding
housing , work , other roommates guests , and you can not afford to
move , or live alone...
We have to do what we can...and just believe in the forces that be ( or not )
So , I just thought a little reality was needed here...
I have no problem with those who are better off , can afford more , live in
better situations , afford medicines or cleaners , or masks others of us
cannot , but please , understand , many have no choice , but to do the bare
minimum , and hope / pray for the best...
I surround myself , with thoughts , spells , and ( magickal beings ) and do my best...
Best for all of us...just put out a thought for those who cannot afford what some can...Thanks !
Blackwolf said:Let's look at some realities :
1. There is no way for a lot of us to buy a number of masks...
I could only get one when a friend gifted me the very basic blue one...
Had it for the few times I went out for Late February , March , April ,
May , June , then was given another when I went to the doctor this
month , July...
All money , is rent and food , perhaps a brew...
And not a single store sells them around here , and there is no one
giving them away , so that does not help...
And standardized masks ?
Are you all going to wear the cheap version that I was given to wear ?
Who is going to supply the other versions , some want us all to wear ?
Shopping ?
I live on very , very limited income and some comes in sporadically ,
and I walk , not drive , as do many...so we *have* to go to the store
more often , and to say only certain blocks of time per day , is pure
bullshit...it is when people are able to get to stores , and any other
way is ridiculous to expect , nor do I , or many , have the money to
afford some ridiculous delivery...and who will do it for us for free ?
That doctor visit two weeks ago , was the first time I have been able
to see a doctor in a few years , due to travel and being on disability...
Medicinal oils ?
No , can not afford the ingredients...
I have lived in two households since this began , one more radical
with adults and sometimes young , with partying and guests , now
with just one person , but they work at both a thrift store , and a
very good grocery store , yet he can not shop for me...
And many others have these situations , or far , far worse , regarding
housing , work , other roommates guests , and you can not afford to
move , or live alone...
We have to do what we can...and just believe in the forces that be ( or not )
So , I just thought a little reality was needed here...
I have no problem with those who are better off , can afford more , live in
better situations , afford medicines or cleaners , or masks others of us
cannot , but please , understand , many have no choice , but to do the bare
minimum , and hope / pray for the best...
I surround myself , with thoughts , spells , and ( magickal beings ) and do my best...
Best for all of us...just put out a thought for those who cannot afford what some can...Thanks !
I have a couple of these N95 I can mail out to you I Have a neighbor who works ER
Blackwolf said:Let's look at some realities :
[ Blackwolf's reality ]
While I appreciate your post, BW, my reality is just as real as yours. You assume a lot that just isn't true, particularly the 'ridiculous delivery'. I pay 12.00 a month for unlimited delivery. That $3.00 a week is WELL worth the risk of going into a grocery store where some idiot might yell you down for wearing a mask.
I have a rare form of asthma ( anaphylaxis ); I am at extreme risk; and I would rather do without a $3.00 something-or-another-item a week than to use my gas and my time risking my life. No thank you. If you think that's 'privileged' then so be it.
I've often wondered, BW, how I have it so beautiful right now. I work for no one ( now ), I support myself ( now ), I have time to meditate ( now ), to perform personal healing and other rituals ( now ), and I get to raise and influence my G'precious. It wasn't always so, but it wasn't just because of hard work, either.
I knew that. And an answer finally came through a book I am finishing up this week, which said:
"In Tibet, it is considered a sign of excellent karma to have the time to meditate and pursue a spiritual path."
I must've really sown some great karma in my previous life ( I know I have in this one ), and I am merely reaping what my heart desires.
That is MY reality.
Now I would like to bless you by sending you a mask and some thieves oil. Please message me your address.
Edit: I see Val has already offered the masks. I would still like to send you Thieves Oil.
[ Blackwolf's reality ]
While I appreciate your post, BW, my reality is just as real as yours. You assume a lot that just isn't true, particularly the 'ridiculous delivery'. I pay 12.00 a month for unlimited delivery. That $3.00 a week is WELL worth the risk of going into a grocery store where some idiot might yell you down for wearing a mask.
I have a rare form of asthma ( anaphylaxis ); I am at extreme risk; and I would rather do without a $3.00 something-or-another-item a week than to use my gas and my time risking my life. No thank you. If you think that's 'privileged' then so be it.
I've often wondered, BW, how I have it so beautiful right now. I work for no one ( now ), I support myself ( now ), I have time to meditate ( now ), to perform personal healing and other rituals ( now ), and I get to raise and influence my G'precious. It wasn't always so, but it wasn't just because of hard work, either.
I knew that. And an answer finally came through a book I am finishing up this week, which said:
"In Tibet, it is considered a sign of excellent karma to have the time to meditate and pursue a spiritual path."
I must've really sown some great karma in my previous life ( I know I have in this one ), and I am merely reaping what my heart desires.
That is MY reality.
Now I would like to bless you by sending you a mask and some thieves oil. Please message me your address.
Edit: I see Val has already offered the masks. I would still like to send you Thieves Oil.
Thank you Ahavati...much appreciated...
Here , where I live...if I got delivery , it costs a minimum of $10.00
If you get a number of bags , or are a distance out in town , more...
If you are more than five miles away...forget about it...;)
It is remote on our coast here...very different than city life...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mendocino+Coast&rlz=1CAKSOU_enUS911&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-lOryod_qAhUJKawKHWPjDQoQ_AUoAnoECCMQBA&biw=1366&bih=641
Beautiful...that is a blessing...just remote...
And crazy enough...I had help and rides provided from 6 years ago , to 2 years ago...
Just got back a few months ago...now my new doctor won't even approve the rides
or the help , which means I have to walk , or hitch when I can , for miles...
Bus service is spotty...or non existent...sheesh !
I am sorry for the asthma you suffer...and meditation does ( or can ) help with that
so I am glad you found that as a assisting "remedy"...
I have a number of things...still , overall in good health , but doctor disagrees...
( and still won't give me help : WTF ? )
I will trustingly send you my address...Thank You
Thieves Oil is something that would be appreciated...;)
Here , where I live...if I got delivery , it costs a minimum of $10.00
If you get a number of bags , or are a distance out in town , more...
If you are more than five miles away...forget about it...;)
It is remote on our coast here...very different than city life...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mendocino+Coast&rlz=1CAKSOU_enUS911&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-lOryod_qAhUJKawKHWPjDQoQ_AUoAnoECCMQBA&biw=1366&bih=641
Beautiful...that is a blessing...just remote...
And crazy enough...I had help and rides provided from 6 years ago , to 2 years ago...
Just got back a few months ago...now my new doctor won't even approve the rides
or the help , which means I have to walk , or hitch when I can , for miles...
Bus service is spotty...or non existent...sheesh !
I am sorry for the asthma you suffer...and meditation does ( or can ) help with that
so I am glad you found that as a assisting "remedy"...
I have a number of things...still , overall in good health , but doctor disagrees...
( and still won't give me help : WTF ? )
I will trustingly send you my address...Thank You
Thieves Oil is something that would be appreciated...;)
