The great political debate
UnleashedHeathen said:
Obama lied about being a negro so he could get called a president. Congress believes his lies because they believe their own lies.
You say there is not much of a debate and I agree because complaining is not debating. The democrats and otherwise are out there complaining because their mommy Hilary didn't win like they had hoped. They were thoroughly wrong and now they are crying like little mama's babies. Meanwhile, those that see without tunnel vision are accepting that there is more than one viewpoint in this world.
Go back to your nipple before you cause some trouble by not accepting reality for what is it.
As I've said I am no fan of Obama, but he lied about his color? That's really not possible. I don't think color has anything to do with it, he was elected because he is an impressive speaker, I think that's why people turned on him so hard is because he really didn't deliver on a lot of his ideals, I know a lot of people who voted for him who said it was a major mistake, though I really don't know how much better Romney or McCain would've been, I was never a fan of them either.
Obama lied about being a negro so he could get called a president. Congress believes his lies because they believe their own lies.
You say there is not much of a debate and I agree because complaining is not debating. The democrats and otherwise are out there complaining because their mommy Hilary didn't win like they had hoped. They were thoroughly wrong and now they are crying like little mama's babies. Meanwhile, those that see without tunnel vision are accepting that there is more than one viewpoint in this world.
Go back to your nipple before you cause some trouble by not accepting reality for what is it.
As I've said I am no fan of Obama, but he lied about his color? That's really not possible. I don't think color has anything to do with it, he was elected because he is an impressive speaker, I think that's why people turned on him so hard is because he really didn't deliver on a lot of his ideals, I know a lot of people who voted for him who said it was a major mistake, though I really don't know how much better Romney or McCain would've been, I was never a fan of them either.
Fallen_Angel_194 said:I rarely get into the political side of Du fearing that I will say something I do not mean. I'm not the biggest fan of Mr. Trump,
He isn't hitler. Not even close. But the thing i do know is that his actions will have consequences. The people that are in his circle may have too many skeletons in their closets,and soon enough, They will be revealed.
I think that is pretty fair, he definitely has some shady people around him.
He isn't hitler. Not even close. But the thing i do know is that his actions will have consequences. The people that are in his circle may have too many skeletons in their closets,and soon enough, They will be revealed.
I think that is pretty fair, he definitely has some shady people around him.
Viddax said:
It generates enough talk so that whoever is actually running the polis can do it uninterrupted.
Personally, I do not think I have any political agenda, I would much prefer to see things done right than see who gets the credit. Or rather see things done and the credit goes to whoever can be cunning enough to claim it.
It would be nice, wouldn't it? Sadly I don't ever see the world working that way. We can dream though, right?
It generates enough talk so that whoever is actually running the polis can do it uninterrupted.
Personally, I do not think I have any political agenda, I would much prefer to see things done right than see who gets the credit. Or rather see things done and the credit goes to whoever can be cunning enough to claim it.
It would be nice, wouldn't it? Sadly I don't ever see the world working that way. We can dream though, right?
I have an issue with conversations like these, where the opinions are thrown about as facts, and vice versa. Before I am prepared to actually engage with anyone on politics I want to know who they read and listen too. If you are all 'left', or all 'right', then you are spouting spin, whether you know it or not. The whole mess of modern populism is because people have the attention for sound-bites only, and think they have an understanding from just that.
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
ps, I typed that on my phone, and I am 100% certain no one will read it, and thereby prove my point about sound-bite knowledge.
Below is a link to a pretty good fact checking site. The first thing you should do is look at the "about us" page, and learn how and by whom they are funded...but you won't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/eight-years-of-trolling-obama/
Below is a link to a pretty good fact checking site. The first thing you should do is look at the "about us" page, and learn how and by whom they are funded...but you won't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/eight-years-of-trolling-obama/
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hemihead said:I have an issue with conversations like these, where the opinions are thrown about as facts, and vice versa. Before I am prepared to actually engage with anyone on politics I want to know who they read and listen too. If you are all 'left', or all 'right', then you are spouting spin, whether you know it or not. The whole mess of modern populism is because people have the attention for sound-bites only, and think they have an understanding from just that.
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
It kills me to have to agree with that...
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
It kills me to have to agree with that...
hemihead said:I have an issue with conversations like these, where the opinions are thrown about as facts, and vice versa. Before I am prepared to actually engage with anyone on politics I want to know who they read and listen too. If you are all 'left', or all 'right', then you are spouting spin, whether you know it or not. The whole mess of modern populism is because people have the attention for sound-bites only, and think they have an understanding from just that.
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
I did read it all hemi and it was a joy to read something the hits the nail on the head after reading some of the shite that's out there...thank you 👍
Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;
- Trump is very clever, and understands that his unpopularity is also the seat of his popularity. He has in his employ an organisation that he pays to use very clever technology to analyse and manipulate social media so that that division is maintained. Division leads to fear, and wen we are afraid we cling to things like flags and mom and apple pie. These people are using AI and the fastest data manipulation algorithms available to do this in real time, right now. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is conspiracy fact. Most of you will not know how to find this information, even though it is public record.
- Obama was no saint. He lied to the press, and his country about 40 percent of the time when making official statements. That number is not a guess, nor is it particularly unusual. Leaders know that 'you' are not capable of digesting the complexities of the world, so they give you what helps you sleep at night. In his last acts he certainly did some things to ease his own conscience, and probably to help his book sales. That's, again, what the people you vote for do.
- the right of American politics will not 'solve' America. It is a very wealthy country that has been hijacked by money and power, and the fundamental lie that "anyone can be president" is about as true as how much of a democracy it is. The wonderful thing about America is, that even though that statement is true, the levers of power are so convoluted, that no one man can bring it down. What can bring it down is believing another lie, that America is the "greatest country on earth" and that their time will come again. It only will if they reinvent themselves. Right now America is lagging the world everywhere it matters; climate change and renewable energy, healthcare and education reform to make the most of her people, human rights, changes to manufacturing through automation and technology, the changes to the very concept of money via blockchain technology, reliance on military hardware to fight wars...the list goes on.
- the left in America have been split in to two very different groups;
1 those who are basically moderates and who don't mind much of what the right wants in terms of small government and low taxes, but who can't stomach the environmental damage and human rights abuses.
2 those who are basically extremists, who want to impose their own world view on other people. This much smaller group must be called out when they act without car for their own democracy
The average American is a barely literate, poorly informed, poorly travelled, poorly read poorly educated and poorly employed person. their middle class is really a working class who have come to expect middle class wages for working class jobs, and who have all failed to notice that the world has moved on. Manufacturing is not coming back to America, because it has been lost to automation and ps oil is dead.
The best part of politics right now is we are in a new phase of understanding the world we live in, of how much we are controlled by the news we get for free and by how little we care as long as our place is ok.
I think we are quite possibly at a Great Filter moment, where we will either learn to talk about what matters (hint, only the environment and the ability of this planet to sustain us matters), or we will continue to do what we're doing, and we will face death (nuclear, conventional war, climate tipping point, superbug, AI, release of a pathogen).
TLDR: none of this matters, and you don't care anyway, and even if you do, you really shouldn't.
I did read it all hemi and it was a joy to read something the hits the nail on the head after reading some of the shite that's out there...thank you 👍
As a contrarian thinker, the answer has to be in the form of a villanelle that I have just posted in the 'Observational Poems' category. But here it is pasted in below as well to save you a couple of clicks:
A Villanelle For Mr Trump
The scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
attacked by all on every side
though clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
as Yankee folk are being dumped
with laws that rule in strange divides
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
the world looks on amazed and stumped
to understand the current tide
for clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
we watch how Moslems now are lumped
together with no place to hide
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
and all the while the world is pumped
with tweets suggesting someone lied
so clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
the ship is sinking - time to jump
we’re being taken for a ride
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
though clearly he’s no Forrest Gump.
A Villanelle For Mr Trump
The scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
attacked by all on every side
though clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
as Yankee folk are being dumped
with laws that rule in strange divides
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
the world looks on amazed and stumped
to understand the current tide
for clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
we watch how Moslems now are lumped
together with no place to hide
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
and all the while the world is pumped
with tweets suggesting someone lied
so clearly he’s no Forrest Gump
the ship is sinking - time to jump
we’re being taken for a ride
the scapegoat’s maybe Mr Trump
though clearly he’s no Forrest Gump.
hemihead
you say:
"Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;"
I say:
"Because I agree with very little you have to say, I can only challenge your sources, or I could had you identified them."
I found your piece weighted I hesitate to say biased, it is after all your opinion, nothing more."
Thanks for sharing :-)
you say:
"Here are some facts, provided by impartial sources who declare their financial backing and agenda at the door;"
I say:
"Because I agree with very little you have to say, I can only challenge your sources, or I could had you identified them."
I found your piece weighted I hesitate to say biased, it is after all your opinion, nothing more."
Thanks for sharing :-)
Anonymous
can anyone name an American president who deserved the title " leader of the free world "
in my opinion, if you're aiming anger at a president of America it's like holding a school dinner lady responsible for the school's shoddy curriculum
Hate is a commodity.
in my opinion, if you're aiming anger at a president of America it's like holding a school dinner lady responsible for the school's shoddy curriculum
Hate is a commodity.
Personally, I don't like the words 'leader of the free world' or 'we'll make America (insert any country) great again', as it stirs the masses to believe something that's not true, it's rhetoric, no matter what country sprouts it.
It's positive reinforcement crap which attempts to cover the shite that's happening in whatever country. Our governments do what they can with the, in some cases, inexperienced people who are elected.
Some countries are lead by idiots who are controlled by idiots who are voted in by idiots.
It's human nature and hopefully we learn from what we experience and attempt not to make the same mistake again.
Bringing it down to a simplified micro level, it's like saying one person can be everything to everyone and unfortunately they can't.
It's positive reinforcement crap which attempts to cover the shite that's happening in whatever country. Our governments do what they can with the, in some cases, inexperienced people who are elected.
Some countries are lead by idiots who are controlled by idiots who are voted in by idiots.
It's human nature and hopefully we learn from what we experience and attempt not to make the same mistake again.
Bringing it down to a simplified micro level, it's like saying one person can be everything to everyone and unfortunately they can't.
