Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II
Oh my Lord! My thoughts and prayers are with you and your country, Uma! Please take care. xo
India and Bangladesh prepare for cyclone to make landfall amid pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMx87j51M0
India and Bangladesh prepare for cyclone to make landfall amid pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMx87j51M0
Ahavati said:Oh my Lord! My thoughts and prayers are with you and your country, Uma! Please take care. xo
India and Bangladesh prepare for cyclone to make landfall amid pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMx87j51M0
You weren’t talking 2 me, but know this: I see what you are; you are an angel who cares. (Hugs)🕊
I’m not a sucker for pain, but I am willing to lay down my pride when needed or even endanger my status as friend if it’s for 💖
..that ain’t a fetish... that’s the core thing of life.
India and Bangladesh prepare for cyclone to make landfall amid pandemic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMx87j51M0
You weren’t talking 2 me, but know this: I see what you are; you are an angel who cares. (Hugs)🕊
I’m not a sucker for pain, but I am willing to lay down my pride when needed or even endanger my status as friend if it’s for 💖
..that ain’t a fetish... that’s the core thing of life.
Ahavati said:OMG! Josh! This could be YOU narrating!
This is a fantastic analysis of SARS-Cov-2 sources! His points about evolved vs chimeric origin are particularly relevant.
https://youtu.be/ab-r0capbzk
PLUS, he lists each source in the video separately in the video description. Excellent channel!
That was an interesting trek-analysis through the machinations of internet-media stories spreading.
This is a fantastic analysis of SARS-Cov-2 sources! His points about evolved vs chimeric origin are particularly relevant.
https://youtu.be/ab-r0capbzk
PLUS, he lists each source in the video separately in the video description. Excellent channel!
That was an interesting trek-analysis through the machinations of internet-media stories spreading.
Ahavati said:
Without absolute knowledge that it's not, it could be. I'll know it when I see it, just like the link that carpe posted. The collection of abruptly truncated quotes, the misinterpretation of body gestures, and so forth was not conclusive evidence of what it claimed: it was cherry-picked.
What I do know, conclusively, is that covid-19 is claiming lives. So the virus is real. That is not in question.
Did you watch it, Josh?
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
Without absolute knowledge that it's not, it could be. I'll know it when I see it, just like the link that carpe posted. The collection of abruptly truncated quotes, the misinterpretation of body gestures, and so forth was not conclusive evidence of what it claimed: it was cherry-picked.
What I do know, conclusively, is that covid-19 is claiming lives. So the virus is real. That is not in question.
Did you watch it, Josh?
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
Josh said:
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
Agreed Josh very very slippery path we are treadin.
Take Bill Gates for example, how much media time could someone with his money buy?
With that kind of money you could buy a media PR spin and be presented as a hero. Globally Gates face is on the TV saying we need to be vaccinated.
Let's go back to the start of this. Panic buying of toliet paper happening globally roughly the same time. The media are to blame for that, just as they have a part to play for the mass hysteria.
Seems the virus was a scary story to distract from the fact the economy is being crashed to rest for the digital economy.
But what the fuck do I know..
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
Agreed Josh very very slippery path we are treadin.
Take Bill Gates for example, how much media time could someone with his money buy?
With that kind of money you could buy a media PR spin and be presented as a hero. Globally Gates face is on the TV saying we need to be vaccinated.
Let's go back to the start of this. Panic buying of toliet paper happening globally roughly the same time. The media are to blame for that, just as they have a part to play for the mass hysteria.
Seems the virus was a scary story to distract from the fact the economy is being crashed to rest for the digital economy.
But what the fuck do I know..
Josh said:
That was an interesting trek-analysis through the machinations of internet-media stories spreading.
This is my favorite part ( excuse the spelling )!
Lots of bloggers and commentators have copied Matthew Thai's version of ohowhfo's version of Xio Butous' version of Tao pans version of the story.
It reminded me of that game called "Rumors", where you tell someone something on one side of the room and see what it sounds like when it reaches the other! Fact checking and research are so VITAL in regards to facts.
Josh said:
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
I haven't seen that one yet. Do you have a link?
In reference to the part of your comment I've bolded, I think you're giving the media WAY too much power and absolving the responsibility of research and fact checking from the viewers. It would be like blaming the tobacco company for people choosing to smoke. Or ABC stores for people choosing to drink and drive.
So what do we do? Shut down the ABC stores and tobacco companies to prevent responsible smokers and drinkers from enjoying a smoke or cocktail? Do we shut down the media completely? If we KNOW the majority of media is BS, then is it not our responsibility to fact check and research EVERYTHING before we share it. Look what happened to someone who didn't? Over two million plus people read and many believed that FAKE story.
I watch the same news ( well, not all ), but I choose to research and fact check because personal responsibility. Children are a different matter, but adults? They should not be absolved for believing everything they read or see on television.
That was an interesting trek-analysis through the machinations of internet-media stories spreading.
This is my favorite part ( excuse the spelling )!
Lots of bloggers and commentators have copied Matthew Thai's version of ohowhfo's version of Xio Butous' version of Tao pans version of the story.
It reminded me of that game called "Rumors", where you tell someone something on one side of the room and see what it sounds like when it reaches the other! Fact checking and research are so VITAL in regards to facts.
Josh said:
Yes I watched Carpe's link.
In Germany a Gov't-Ministry-of-Internal-Affairs had an independent report done (200 pages), with professionals across the board, and they concluded the lock-down has been a gross error of judgement by the German Authorities - and that more people have now died (in Germany) because of the lock-down than because of official Covid deaths. The report's results are being challenged by official media and Angela Merkl had to go on record explaining why the lock-down continues despite this high-profile (gov't requested) report.
The thing is, when truth is in short supply, it all boils down to those with the most power to make their version of events 'stick' in the public mind - and the most powerful are undoubtedly those who control mainstream media - which is why (imho) other voices need to be given a fair hearing. The guy presenting the report back to the Internal Affairs ministry has been fired - but he was just the messenger and a gov't official who was a member of the panel putting the report together (which included sociologists, doctors, epidemiologists, psychologists, and more). It's this kind of action I find worrying because of its historical precedences. Enforced group-think rarely has a good outcome.
I haven't seen that one yet. Do you have a link?
In reference to the part of your comment I've bolded, I think you're giving the media WAY too much power and absolving the responsibility of research and fact checking from the viewers. It would be like blaming the tobacco company for people choosing to smoke. Or ABC stores for people choosing to drink and drive.
So what do we do? Shut down the ABC stores and tobacco companies to prevent responsible smokers and drinkers from enjoying a smoke or cocktail? Do we shut down the media completely? If we KNOW the majority of media is BS, then is it not our responsibility to fact check and research EVERYTHING before we share it. Look what happened to someone who didn't? Over two million plus people read and many believed that FAKE story.
I watch the same news ( well, not all ), but I choose to research and fact check because personal responsibility. Children are a different matter, but adults? They should not be absolved for believing everything they read or see on television.
Carpe_Noctem said:
Agreed Josh very very slippery path we are treadin.
Take Bill Gates for example, how much media time could someone with his money buy?
With that kind of money you could buy a media PR spin and be presented as a hero. Globally Gates face is on the TV saying we need to be vaccinated.
Let's go back to the start of this. Panic buying of toliet paper happening globally roughly the same time. The media are to blame for that, just as they have a part to play for the mass hysteria.
Seems the virus was a scary story to distract from the fact the economy is being crashed to rest for the digital economy.
But what the fuck do I know..
That's a good question because you never respond to any of the links I post, despite me reading, fact checking, researching, and responding to the majority you have posted. Instead you seem obsessed with Bill Gates.
It looks like you only know one side to me. You don't know how to have a conversation with someone who thinks differently. You're fine with those you agree with. It's like a back-patting convention. But you give no consideration to those you disagree with despite them giving consideration to you.
Agreed Josh very very slippery path we are treadin.
Take Bill Gates for example, how much media time could someone with his money buy?
With that kind of money you could buy a media PR spin and be presented as a hero. Globally Gates face is on the TV saying we need to be vaccinated.
Let's go back to the start of this. Panic buying of toliet paper happening globally roughly the same time. The media are to blame for that, just as they have a part to play for the mass hysteria.
Seems the virus was a scary story to distract from the fact the economy is being crashed to rest for the digital economy.
But what the fuck do I know..
That's a good question because you never respond to any of the links I post, despite me reading, fact checking, researching, and responding to the majority you have posted. Instead you seem obsessed with Bill Gates.
It looks like you only know one side to me. You don't know how to have a conversation with someone who thinks differently. You're fine with those you agree with. It's like a back-patting convention. But you give no consideration to those you disagree with despite them giving consideration to you.
Ahavati said:
That's a good question because you never respond to any of the links I post, despite me reading, fact checking, researching, and responding to the majority you have posted. Instead you seem obsessed with Bill Gates.
It looks like you only know one side to me. You don't know how to have a conversation with someone who thinks differently. You're fine with those you agree with. It's like a back-patting convention. But you give no consideration to those you disagree with despite them giving consideration to you.
If we took this whole covid19 corona from the dichotomy of our paradigm. Would the yearly deaths be any different, would we even be aware there was a so called pandemic.
You are aware those fact checking sites you so gospel like use to debunk, are government sponsored sites to dissuade people from looking further into something.
How many of them work have worked for with Google in some capacity.
As Josh said those with the most money have the biggest pull on the narrative. Yet those same sources don't have on alternate voices and opinions on.
It is even now at the point of banning and censorship of any that speak out questioning this. Surely even you find this alarming.
I guess though only the government opinion on this matters.
Regarding my so called lack of conversation skills
I choose not to converse with hypocrites that ridicule and bully people,
I am not the only one that feels this way,
perhaps you are unaware you come across this way.
That's a good question because you never respond to any of the links I post, despite me reading, fact checking, researching, and responding to the majority you have posted. Instead you seem obsessed with Bill Gates.
It looks like you only know one side to me. You don't know how to have a conversation with someone who thinks differently. You're fine with those you agree with. It's like a back-patting convention. But you give no consideration to those you disagree with despite them giving consideration to you.
If we took this whole covid19 corona from the dichotomy of our paradigm. Would the yearly deaths be any different, would we even be aware there was a so called pandemic.
You are aware those fact checking sites you so gospel like use to debunk, are government sponsored sites to dissuade people from looking further into something.
How many of them work have worked for with Google in some capacity.
As Josh said those with the most money have the biggest pull on the narrative. Yet those same sources don't have on alternate voices and opinions on.
It is even now at the point of banning and censorship of any that speak out questioning this. Surely even you find this alarming.
I guess though only the government opinion on this matters.
Regarding my so called lack of conversation skills
I choose not to converse with hypocrites that ridicule and bully people,
I am not the only one that feels this way,
perhaps you are unaware you come across this way.
Carpe_Noctem said:
If we took this whole covid19 corona from the dichotomy of our paradigm. Would the yearly deaths be any different, would we even be aware there was a so called pandemic.
You are aware those fact checking sites you so gospel like use to debunk, are government sponsored sites to dissuade people from looking further into something.
How many of them work have worked for with Google in some capacity.
As Josh said those with the most money have the biggest pull on the narrative. Yet those same sources don't have on alternate voices and opinions on.
It is even now at the point of banning and censorship of any that speak out questioning this. Surely even you find this alarming.
I guess though only the government opinion on this matters.
Regarding my so called lack of conversation skills
I choose not to converse with hypocrites that ridicule and bully people,
I am not the only one that feels this way,
perhaps you are unaware you come across this way.
Absolutely. I find any censorship alarming, and I've stated such multiple times in these threads. I didn't agree with youtube pulling the vid of the doctors OR Plandemic. I think they should've been left up and debunked publicly, vs taken down and debunked publicly. Which is why I found an alternate source of Plandemic and posted it here. How are the public going to decide for themselves if there is only one side to choose from? Though a great many seem to have already made their minds up.
What I do not agree with are people getting personal with labels and name-calling vs sticking to the topic. And before you accuse me of labeling you a tin-foil hatter ( as you have in the past ), that wasn't me who coined the phrase. Just say'n. I wish people knew how to debate. There is nothing more engaging than a spirited debate! But for the most part it degenerates to name calling and vengeful feelings in these threads.
Your initial question is premature. We won't know the final numbers till this is over ( if it ever is ). They are just now going back to old flu diagnosis to check and see if the person had covid-19. They've already discovered many who were diagnosed with the flu on the death certificate had covid-19 ( links are posted in this thread ). I can guarantee you the deaths are up because of covid-19, which has exasperated the flu and underlying medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes, etc. The only thing left to debate about that is how much longer they may have lived with their underlying conditions had they not contracted covid-19.
What you or anyone else thinks of me is none of my business. It's that simple. It's everyone's right to like or dislike someone. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. I don't have one issue with that and your opinion nor anyone else's defines me except in your own perspective. I advocate for what I believe in without name calling. I listen to both sides. I research. I fact check. I make decisions based on what I discover in that process.
And if you don't, then you're just as guilty of what you're accusing the other side of doing.
If we took this whole covid19 corona from the dichotomy of our paradigm. Would the yearly deaths be any different, would we even be aware there was a so called pandemic.
You are aware those fact checking sites you so gospel like use to debunk, are government sponsored sites to dissuade people from looking further into something.
How many of them work have worked for with Google in some capacity.
As Josh said those with the most money have the biggest pull on the narrative. Yet those same sources don't have on alternate voices and opinions on.
It is even now at the point of banning and censorship of any that speak out questioning this. Surely even you find this alarming.
I guess though only the government opinion on this matters.
Regarding my so called lack of conversation skills
I choose not to converse with hypocrites that ridicule and bully people,
I am not the only one that feels this way,
perhaps you are unaware you come across this way.
Absolutely. I find any censorship alarming, and I've stated such multiple times in these threads. I didn't agree with youtube pulling the vid of the doctors OR Plandemic. I think they should've been left up and debunked publicly, vs taken down and debunked publicly. Which is why I found an alternate source of Plandemic and posted it here. How are the public going to decide for themselves if there is only one side to choose from? Though a great many seem to have already made their minds up.
What I do not agree with are people getting personal with labels and name-calling vs sticking to the topic. And before you accuse me of labeling you a tin-foil hatter ( as you have in the past ), that wasn't me who coined the phrase. Just say'n. I wish people knew how to debate. There is nothing more engaging than a spirited debate! But for the most part it degenerates to name calling and vengeful feelings in these threads.
Your initial question is premature. We won't know the final numbers till this is over ( if it ever is ). They are just now going back to old flu diagnosis to check and see if the person had covid-19. They've already discovered many who were diagnosed with the flu on the death certificate had covid-19 ( links are posted in this thread ). I can guarantee you the deaths are up because of covid-19, which has exasperated the flu and underlying medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes, etc. The only thing left to debate about that is how much longer they may have lived with their underlying conditions had they not contracted covid-19.
What you or anyone else thinks of me is none of my business. It's that simple. It's everyone's right to like or dislike someone. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. I don't have one issue with that and your opinion nor anyone else's defines me except in your own perspective. I advocate for what I believe in without name calling. I listen to both sides. I research. I fact check. I make decisions based on what I discover in that process.
And if you don't, then you're just as guilty of what you're accusing the other side of doing.
badmalthus said:Now for a little presidential humor.
https://youtu.be/ZAq6kimL0es
LOL!
God help us, Harry! We're going to need all we can get.
https://youtu.be/ZAq6kimL0es
LOL!
God help us, Harry! We're going to need all we can get.
badmalthus said:Now for a little presidential humor.
https://youtu.be/ZAq6kimL0es
Haha yes
And so he goes
https://youtu.be/u_aLESDql1U
https://youtu.be/ZAq6kimL0es
Haha yes
And so he goes
https://youtu.be/u_aLESDql1U
Valeriyabeyond said:
Haha yes
And so he goes
https://youtu.be/u_aLESDql1U
Heh. I couldn't even get past the first 10 seconds. I assume the entire two minutes is this ridiculousness? I feel like we are living Idiocracy.
Haha yes
And so he goes
https://youtu.be/u_aLESDql1U
Heh. I couldn't even get past the first 10 seconds. I assume the entire two minutes is this ridiculousness? I feel like we are living Idiocracy.
