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NC goes into Phase II Reopening Friday!  Our governor has really done a remarkable job with this state.

https://www.nc.gov/covid-19/staying-ahead-curve

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Interesting read.

How Bad Is The COVID-19 Misinformation Epidemic?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-bad-is-the-covid-19-misinformation-epidemic/

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Ahavati said:Interesting read.

How Bad Is The COVID-19 Misinformation Epidemic?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-bad-is-the-covid-19-misinformation-epidemic/


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Over 1,000 line up for free dog food

https://www.post-gazette.com/pets/2020/04/24/Pittsburgh-Aviation-Animal-Rescue-Team-West-Mifflin-Allegheny-County-Airport/stories/202004240091

After working 10 years at a food bank, Jack Hraska found himself on the receiving end of free food for the first time.

The West Mifflin man’s car was one of 1,018 vehicles that lined up Friday at the Allegheny County Airport in West Mifflin for dog food provided by the Pittsburgh Aviation Animal Rescue Team. Over 43,500 pounds of food was given out from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.

“I’ve got two big dogs to feed,” said Mr. Hraska, who is unable to work his maintenance job at a local school district after schools were shut down in response to the coronavirus pandemic.


Ahhh, a nice human canine interest story.

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Cook County surpasses Queens, NY, as county with most COVID-19 cases in U.S.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/essential-coronavirus-news/2020/5/14/21258470/cook-county-coronavirus-cases-most-queens-new-york

This is really sad, considering Chicago had more time to prepare and wasn't predicted to begin its spike until May 1st.

Cook County still has a lower rate of COVID-19 per capita given its population (5.1 million) is more than twice as large as Queens (2.25 million). But Queens also has a much higher population density with 20,500 people per square mile compared to 5,500 per square mile in Cook County, which can make social distancing measures more challenging to maintain.

Illinois officials announced Thursday that the statewide case total has increased to 87,937 while the death tally closes in on 4,000. Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s administration recently warned that projections show the state could see 50-150 deaths per day into June or later.


NOTE : this article is 8 days old.

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JohnnyBlaze said:Over 1,000 line up for free dog food

https://www.post-gazette.com/pets/2020/04/24/Pittsburgh-Aviation-Animal-Rescue-Team-West-Mifflin-Allegheny-County-Airport/stories/202004240091

Ahhh, a nice human canine interest story.

🐕🐶🐩


It's so nice to see giving, particularly to our animal kingdom who deserve to be treated as royalty. xo

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This is interesting about the numbers, and quite the flip from conspiracy theories ( and quite a very saddening story about Bob Duffy ):

The Uncounted Dead
Why some people who likely died from COVID-19 aren’t included in the final numbers.

More than a month later, the question of who counts as a COVID-19 fatality has become political. In Florida, the Medical Examiners Commission accused state officials of suppressing their state death count. Pennsylvania’s death tally bounced up and down, enough to prompt the state senate to discuss giving coroners a bigger role in investigating COVID-19 deaths. And President Trump has questioned the official national death count of 90,340 as of May 19,2 reportedly wondering whether it was exaggerated.

The experts who are involved in counting novel coronavirus deaths at all levels — from local hospitals to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — disagree with the president. If anything, they say, these deaths are undercounted. And with a death like Bob Duffy’s, you can begin to see why.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-deaths/?cid=taboola_rcc_r


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Ahavati said:This is interesting about the numbers, and quite the flip from conspiracy theories ( and quite a very saddening story about Bob Duffy ):

The Uncounted Dead
Why some people who likely died from COVID-19 aren’t included in the final numbers.


Sad Indeed.

And yes, very interesting about the number of standard "flu" deaths being under reported in much the same way "Covid" deaths are being under reported.

The bottom line is, the human body can only withstand so much.


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JohnnyBlaze said:

Sad Indeed.

And yes, very interesting about the number of standard "flu" deaths being under reported in much the same way "Covid" deaths are being under reported.

The bottom line is, the human body can only withstand so much.



This is going to be like Flint, MI. . .people want it to go away; they want to forget about it so things can get back to normal. But, I hope to God they never get back to "normal".  If anything, this should've taught us exactly what is broken so that we could fix it.

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I haven't seen that one yet. Do you have a link?

In reference to the part of your comment I've bolded, I think you're giving the media WAY too much power and absolving the responsibility of research and fact checking from the viewers.  It would be like blaming the tobacco company for people choosing to smoke.  Or ABC stores for people choosing to drink and drive.  

So what do we do? Shut down the ABC stores and tobacco companies to prevent responsible smokers and drinkers from enjoying a smoke or cocktail?  Do we shut down the media completely? If we KNOW the majority of media is BS, then is it not our responsibility to fact check and research EVERYTHING before we share it. Look what happened to someone who didn't?  Over two million plus people read and many believed that FAKE story.

I watch the same news ( well, not all ), but I choose to research and fact check because personal responsibility.  Children are a different matter, but adults?  They should not be absolved for believing everything they read or see on television.


You mean a link to the German situation I talked about?
But they are in German - here they are anyway:


1).
Here the German journalist Markus Langemann (with an impressive career in television and radio spanning over 30 years) speaking about the Corona Dossier of the home office leaked last week (14th May):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPS7sCZZ-ME

2).
Here you can download the whole Corona Dossier from the German ministry of interior affairs, leading to a suspension of the official advisor who worked with a group of doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, sociologists, etc:
https://www.clubderklarenworte.de/

3).
Interview with Dr. med Bodo Schiffmann about the effects of the 'Corona Regime'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXlQjeuaN_Y

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My understanding of mass-media is that it shapes public opinion over time by using iconic imagery, emotional appeals, repetition, suggestion, meta-story-lines -- these are not things that can be fact-checked.

For example, the British public was fed for over 30 years with "anti-Europe" stories which led to Brexit, shaping opinion leading to emotional responses like "well, we're better off without 'em (Europe), aren't we?" (without any reasoning) and "they're stealing our hard-earned cash and wasting it in Brussels" (no facts to substantiate it) -- such emotionally-driven sentiments reveal the power of media to trump facts every time by manipulating deeper human workings of the mind.

I could tell the same story about the 25 year lead-up to World War 1 where the British Empire felt threatened by Germany's growing economic & technical strength and wanted a war to put them in their place. The first thing (1880-1890 this was) was to gain control of the newspapers because they knew the power of them to shape the narrative.  Germany was then gradually blamed for all sorts of things which were untrue, but it slowly built up a picture of Germany as the 'bad guys'. And then a relatively minor event (assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand) was used to trigger the war. Also in these years the Brits signed treaties with Russia (to the east, and also a competitor empire) and France (to the West) to get them 'on our side' in preparation for the engineered war with Germany.

What about the 62 million Americans who voted for Trump? Did they not do some fact-checking before voting for him? Well no, they were emotionally swayed by the rhetoric, which played on certain fears, and a clever strap-line (America First) which gave hope to those who felt they had 'lost out' in the American dream. Mass-media does the same, lobbing fears and hopes into the psyches of the masses.

So my take on Mass-media is that it is hugely influential in the big sweep of public opinion where even fact-checking (were it possible for everyone) is not going to change opinions anyway because emotional and subliminal responses to daily (imho) propaganda over-ride the facts. (I'm not saying facts have no role, I'm just saying they generally have less of a  persuasive power than collective psyche manipulation).

You probably know this quote from Dr William Casey, from his first meeting as CIA Director in 1981:
"We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.”
There are people in very high up positions, all over the world, who have some kind of agenda which requires 'disinformation' being foisted on the general public. (What that agenda is, can be left aside for the moment). In my opinion, the whole Covid thing is one part of a bigger story/agenda, and it involves dis-empowering the general public, including the middle-classes who play an important role in maintaining democracy (I'm biased in this respect )

I still don't understand why, given mass-media's abysmal track-record using hype, sensationalism and sometimes outright lies, why suddenly they are to be believed when it comes to the reporting of Covid.






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I still don't understand why, given mass-media's abysmal track-record using hype, sensationalism and sometimes outright lies, why suddenly they are to be believed when it comes to the reporting of Covid.

Agreed Josh the media told a scary story.
They should be held accountable for all the hysteria they have caused.

I often think of this clip regarding the British, not the people but those few behind big gates.

https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

I'm sure you are familiar with Cecil Rhodes Josh

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Josh said:

[ German stuff ]

My understanding of mass-media is that it shapes public opinion over time by using iconic imagery, emotional appeals, repetition, suggestion, meta-story-lines -- these are not things that can be fact-checked.

For example, the British public was fed for over 30 years with "anti-Europe" stories which led to Brexit, shaping opinion leading to emotional responses like "well, we're better off without 'em (Europe), aren't we?" (without any reasoning) and "they're stealing our hard-earned cash and wasting it in Brussels" (no facts to substantiate it) -- such emotionally-driven sentiments reveal the power of media to trump facts every time by manipulating deeper human workings of the mind.

I could tell the same story about the 25 year lead-up to World War 1 where the British Empire felt threatened by Germany's growing economic & technical strength and wanted a war to put them in their place. The first thing (1880-1890 this was) was to gain control of the newspapers because they knew the power of them to shape the narrative.  Germany was then gradually blamed for all sorts of things which were untrue, but it slowly built up a picture of Germany as the 'bad guys'. And then a relatively minor event (assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand) was used to trigger the war. Also in these years the Brits signed treaties with Russia (to the east, and also a competitor empire) and France (to the West) to get them 'on our side' in preparation for the engineered war with Germany.

What about the 62 million Americans who voted for Trump? Did they not do some fact-checking before voting for him? Well no, they were emotionally swayed by the rhetoric, which played on certain fears, and a clever strap-line (America First) which gave hope to those who felt they had 'lost out' in the American dream. Mass-media does the same, lobbing fears and hopes into the psyches of the masses.

So my take on Mass-media is that it is hugely influential in the big sweep of public opinion where even fact-checking (were it possible for everyone) is not going to change opinions anyway because emotional and subliminal responses to daily (imho) propaganda over-ride the facts. (I'm not saying facts have no role, I'm just saying they generally have less of a  persuasive power than collective psyche manipulation).

You probably know this quote from Dr William Casey, from his first meeting as CIA Director in 1981:
"We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.”
There are people in very high up positions, all over the world, who have some kind of agenda which requires 'disinformation' being foisted on the general public. (What that agenda is, can be left aside for the moment). In my opinion, the whole Covid thing is one part of a bigger story/agenda, and it involves dis-empowering the general public, including the middle-classes who play an important role in maintaining democracy (I'm biased in this respect )

I still don't understand why, given mass-media's abysmal track-record using hype, sensationalism and sometimes outright lies, why suddenly they are to be believed when it comes to the reporting of Covid.


Right; the German stuff would do me no good. You can't fact-check something you can't interpret to begin with. But thanks nonetheless. Perhaps it will be translated soon.

I understand what you're saying about mass media's influence, and I didn't/don't deny that.  I agree it can have detrimental effects on society, i.e. - your example of the U.S. My opinion on that one was the deep-seeded racism surfacing when a black man was elected to office. How dare someone other than a middle-aged white man hold that position. Trump came in, as you noted, with "Make America Great Again!"  

Great how? I asked that a hundred times at least.  When we murdered, raped, and then stole the land from Native Americans? When a black man and white woman couldn't be in love much less marry? When being Gay wasn't accepted? When Japanese were interned during WWII? When women couldn't vote? When blacks couldn't vote? During segregation? Slavery? Make America Great again . . . how?

Yep, you nailed it, 'The American Dream'.

Because despite whatever HELL was going on in whatever faction of the country, EVERYONE, black, white, Native American, Asian, Latino and so forth believed in the American Dream and were willing to fight and die for it, and Trump offered it to them on a silver platter.

BTW, more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history by almost 2.9 million popular votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%).  That at least says something about the U.S; mostly that our election system is as broken as our political.

What I was asking was this: when does it become each individual's responsibility to double-check facts? What differentiates the fact-check/researcher vs those who don't?  Is it the way we were raised?  Is it our previous or current environment? Is mass-media mass-hypnotizing some while others are immune? Is it religious in nature and pastors/ priests/rabbis/etc. influence their congregations by virtue of their pulpit?

I know those are a lot of questions, but I am genuinely interested in the difference between factions because it confuses me. I have my own personal theories but would like to hear others.

But, my bottom line and opinion is this: regardless of media influence, I am ultimately responsible for my own choices, actions, and words.

The reason covid-19 is being believed is because it's not just mass-media hyping it up. There are scientific journals, articles, and educated people such as Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying ( both PhD's in Biology ) who genuinely seek the truth.  

Well, and mass graves of the dead.

( You would really enjoy their latest podcast, Josh—they discuss the misuse of terms, etc. But that's another discussion. )


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Carpe_Noctem said:I still don't understand why, given mass-media's abysmal track-record using hype, sensationalism and sometimes outright lies, why suddenly they are to be believed when it comes to the reporting of Covid.

Agreed Josh the media told a scary story.
They should be held accountable for all the hysteria they have caused.

I often think of this clip regarding the British, not the people but those few behind big gates.

https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

I'm sure you are familiar with Cecil Rhodes Josh


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