Corona Virus ( Covid-19 )
hemihead said:
The search for knowledge, from credible sources, marks you as a remarkable human. Take it how you need it, and carry on.
You are one of the most outspoken, devil may care because I back my ass up, people I have ever come across.
You have a marked intelligence
(which I don't always agree with) that is not found too often.
V
The search for knowledge, from credible sources, marks you as a remarkable human. Take it how you need it, and carry on.
You are one of the most outspoken, devil may care because I back my ass up, people I have ever come across.
You have a marked intelligence
(which I don't always agree with) that is not found too often.
V
Valeriya said:
You are one of the most outspoken, devil may care because I back my ass up, people I have ever come across.
You have a marked intelligence
(which I don't always agree with) that is not found too often.
V
Vanity moment: I am a 1 in 36 000 intelligence.
Humility moment: there are 208 000 people on the planet smarter than me.
Reality moment: IQ tests only measure what is measurable
Human moment: what the fuck do I know
Filter everything you hear.
Think carefully about who pays the bills of media outlets you get news from.
Think carefully about who has the best access to your leaders.
Listen to experts.
Ignore fuckwits who humble-brag their IQ on poetry websites.
Wash your hands.
Do something to help.
You are one of the most outspoken, devil may care because I back my ass up, people I have ever come across.
You have a marked intelligence
(which I don't always agree with) that is not found too often.
V
Vanity moment: I am a 1 in 36 000 intelligence.
Humility moment: there are 208 000 people on the planet smarter than me.
Reality moment: IQ tests only measure what is measurable
Human moment: what the fuck do I know
Filter everything you hear.
Think carefully about who pays the bills of media outlets you get news from.
Think carefully about who has the best access to your leaders.
Listen to experts.
Ignore fuckwits who humble-brag their IQ on poetry websites.
Wash your hands.
Do something to help.
Valeriya said:I hear you Now who's going to get the patent on this virus?
Someone with legal training might like to comment, but under international law the “law of the commons” applies, and ownership of the genetic code is now effectively under common ownership.
I can tell you are from the US just by that comment, as only powerful US lobby groups (mostly) are trying to own gene sequences.
(Well outsider my area of expertise to be commenting on with any certitude)
Someone with legal training might like to comment, but under international law the “law of the commons” applies, and ownership of the genetic code is now effectively under common ownership.
I can tell you are from the US just by that comment, as only powerful US lobby groups (mostly) are trying to own gene sequences.
(Well outsider my area of expertise to be commenting on with any certitude)
hemihead said:
Someone with legal training might like to comment, but under international law the “law of the commons” applies, and ownership of the genetic code is now effectively under common ownership.
I can tell you are from the US just by that comment, as only powerful US lobby groups (mostly) are trying to own gene sequences.
(Well outsider my area of expertise to be commenting on with any certitude)
Do you feel this virus like other viruses will learn how to live within our body and become less aggressive.
It is living aggressively now and subsequently killing off it's habitat
It's goal is not to destroy its habitat but to survive
Will it become something like a strain of flu that we will build up antibodies for as it becomes less of a threat
By the time a vaccine arrives will it have calmed down yes?
A second wave will hit when it has mutated itself to live better in out bodies
Am I making any sense I don't have a clue if any part of my theory is true
What do you think
Someone with legal training might like to comment, but under international law the “law of the commons” applies, and ownership of the genetic code is now effectively under common ownership.
I can tell you are from the US just by that comment, as only powerful US lobby groups (mostly) are trying to own gene sequences.
(Well outsider my area of expertise to be commenting on with any certitude)
Do you feel this virus like other viruses will learn how to live within our body and become less aggressive.
It is living aggressively now and subsequently killing off it's habitat
It's goal is not to destroy its habitat but to survive
Will it become something like a strain of flu that we will build up antibodies for as it becomes less of a threat
By the time a vaccine arrives will it have calmed down yes?
A second wave will hit when it has mutated itself to live better in out bodies
Am I making any sense I don't have a clue if any part of my theory is true
What do you think
Valeriya said:
Do you feel this virus like other viruses will learn how to live within our body and become less aggressive.
It is living aggressively now and subsequently killing off it's habitat
It's goal is not to destroy its habitat but to survive
Will it become something like a strain of flu that we will build up antibodies for as it becomes less of a threat
By the time a vaccine arrives will it have calmed down yes?
A second wave will hit when it has mutated itself to live better in out bodies
Am I making any sense I don't have a clue if any part of my theory is true
What do you think
In 100 hundred years, once everyone has either been killed off or vaccinated against it this will be just another illness that moves around the population, occasionally killing perhaps 1 person in 500, like any other viral infection does.
The danger right now is it is a virus that has “jumped” from another species to us, and we have no protection (antibodies) to fight it.
A good example would be when Europeans first arrived in the americas....we had been living with our suite of infectious diseases and coexisting with them, but the people we had encountered did not. They died in horrific numbers until the remainder were either immune or interbred to carry the antibodies required.
This is our long history with viruses.
There are other examples that are more interesting. When alcohol was first “invented”, people who were genetically not able to resist it would have died off in great numbers once its recipe was understood. The rest of us lived on.
In a way obesity ion a time of calorific abundance is the same thing, except modern medicine is able to maintain the fertility of the fat fucks that can’t resist over-feeding.
These examples are very different (and ignore cultural and other selection mechanisms) but illustrate how our genes and immune system are constantly selecting for those most adapted to the stressors in our environment.
Do you feel this virus like other viruses will learn how to live within our body and become less aggressive.
It is living aggressively now and subsequently killing off it's habitat
It's goal is not to destroy its habitat but to survive
Will it become something like a strain of flu that we will build up antibodies for as it becomes less of a threat
By the time a vaccine arrives will it have calmed down yes?
A second wave will hit when it has mutated itself to live better in out bodies
Am I making any sense I don't have a clue if any part of my theory is true
What do you think
In 100 hundred years, once everyone has either been killed off or vaccinated against it this will be just another illness that moves around the population, occasionally killing perhaps 1 person in 500, like any other viral infection does.
The danger right now is it is a virus that has “jumped” from another species to us, and we have no protection (antibodies) to fight it.
A good example would be when Europeans first arrived in the americas....we had been living with our suite of infectious diseases and coexisting with them, but the people we had encountered did not. They died in horrific numbers until the remainder were either immune or interbred to carry the antibodies required.
This is our long history with viruses.
There are other examples that are more interesting. When alcohol was first “invented”, people who were genetically not able to resist it would have died off in great numbers once its recipe was understood. The rest of us lived on.
In a way obesity ion a time of calorific abundance is the same thing, except modern medicine is able to maintain the fertility of the fat fucks that can’t resist over-feeding.
These examples are very different (and ignore cultural and other selection mechanisms) but illustrate how our genes and immune system are constantly selecting for those most adapted to the stressors in our environment.
To continue this line of thought:
Right now there appears to be two distinct groups of people dying.
One is the elderly or immunocompromised who get what is a serious flu like illness and it is the thing that tips them over the edge.
The other is younger people whose bodies “over react” to the illness and generate a response that ultimately kills you. This is a genetically programmed response that in this case is an error (but might not be in response to some other entirely new organism)
This is why young people seem to do better. Their immune system is not yet mature enough to act in such a strong way.
We already have genetically negative responses to existing stressors. I have been stung by all manner of stinging and biting animals, and all I get is a red wheat. For some people the outcome is anaphylaxis, where the body effectively completely overacts to the minor sting/bite and the person get swelling of the throat or some other outcome that is life threatening.
Those people would normally die, and not pss on their “defective” genes. Modern technology has allowed these people to live and procreate.
If a new insect came along that had a different effect, my limited response might be very dangerous, while the person with the anaphylactic response might be the one who survives.
We are generic “soup”, constantly selecting to best adapt to the stressors we encounter, while those stressors are constantly doing the same.
It is an arms race that has been going on forever.
(100% not a geneticist, virologist, doctor, microbiologist, or anyone with any credentials whatsoever)
Right now there appears to be two distinct groups of people dying.
One is the elderly or immunocompromised who get what is a serious flu like illness and it is the thing that tips them over the edge.
The other is younger people whose bodies “over react” to the illness and generate a response that ultimately kills you. This is a genetically programmed response that in this case is an error (but might not be in response to some other entirely new organism)
This is why young people seem to do better. Their immune system is not yet mature enough to act in such a strong way.
We already have genetically negative responses to existing stressors. I have been stung by all manner of stinging and biting animals, and all I get is a red wheat. For some people the outcome is anaphylaxis, where the body effectively completely overacts to the minor sting/bite and the person get swelling of the throat or some other outcome that is life threatening.
Those people would normally die, and not pss on their “defective” genes. Modern technology has allowed these people to live and procreate.
If a new insect came along that had a different effect, my limited response might be very dangerous, while the person with the anaphylactic response might be the one who survives.
We are generic “soup”, constantly selecting to best adapt to the stressors we encounter, while those stressors are constantly doing the same.
It is an arms race that has been going on forever.
(100% not a geneticist, virologist, doctor, microbiologist, or anyone with any credentials whatsoever)
Carpe_Noctem said:Look up event 201, they had run a corona virus simulation 6 weeks before the out break.
Take from that what you will.
To be correct they ran an outbreak scenario for a generic virus, based on some not unbelievable base assumptions. Various organisations do this regularly. It highlighted shortcomings in the national and global response that various US and other organisations have been highlighting for at least 10 years.
Take from that what you will.
To be correct they ran an outbreak scenario for a generic virus, based on some not unbelievable base assumptions. Various organisations do this regularly. It highlighted shortcomings in the national and global response that various US and other organisations have been highlighting for at least 10 years.
hemihead said:To continue this line of thought:
Right now there appears to be two distinct groups of people dying.
One is the elderly or immunocompromised who get what is a serious flu like illness and it is the thing that tips them over the edge.
The other is younger people whose bodies “over react” to the illness and generate a response that ultimately kills you. This is a genetically programmed response that in this case is an error (but might not be in response to some other entirely new organism)
This is why young people seem to do better. Their immune system is not yet mature enough to act in such a strong way.
We already have genetically negative responses to existing stressors. I have been stung by all manner of stinging and biting animals, and all I get is a red whelt. For some people the outcome is anaphylaxis, where the body effectively completely overacts to the minor sting/bite and the person get swelling of the throat or some other outcome that is life threatening.
Those people would normally die, and not pss on their “defective” genes. Modern technology has allowed these people to live and procreate.
If a new insect came along that had a different effect, my limited response might be very dangerous, while the person with the anaphylactic response might be the one who survives.
We are generic “soup”, constantly selecting to best adapt to the stressors we encounter, while those stressors are constantly doing the same.
It is an arms race that has been going on forever.
(100% not a geneticist, virologist, doctor, microbiologist, or anyone with any credentials whatsoever)
Right now there appears to be two distinct groups of people dying.
One is the elderly or immunocompromised who get what is a serious flu like illness and it is the thing that tips them over the edge.
The other is younger people whose bodies “over react” to the illness and generate a response that ultimately kills you. This is a genetically programmed response that in this case is an error (but might not be in response to some other entirely new organism)
This is why young people seem to do better. Their immune system is not yet mature enough to act in such a strong way.
We already have genetically negative responses to existing stressors. I have been stung by all manner of stinging and biting animals, and all I get is a red whelt. For some people the outcome is anaphylaxis, where the body effectively completely overacts to the minor sting/bite and the person get swelling of the throat or some other outcome that is life threatening.
Those people would normally die, and not pss on their “defective” genes. Modern technology has allowed these people to live and procreate.
If a new insect came along that had a different effect, my limited response might be very dangerous, while the person with the anaphylactic response might be the one who survives.
We are generic “soup”, constantly selecting to best adapt to the stressors we encounter, while those stressors are constantly doing the same.
It is an arms race that has been going on forever.
(100% not a geneticist, virologist, doctor, microbiologist, or anyone with any credentials whatsoever)
Thank you for being such a patient teacher
I am able to fully grasp the effects of disease, and illness in the human body
Pathogens, viruses I haven't studied much
My husband has hemochromotosis and polycythemia which has resulted in high risk of strokes 5 to date and kidney disease keeping him healthy and alive has been a challenge.
I am able to fully grasp the effects of disease, and illness in the human body
Pathogens, viruses I haven't studied much
My husband has hemochromotosis and polycythemia which has resulted in high risk of strokes 5 to date and kidney disease keeping him healthy and alive has been a challenge.
Today's Worldometer
Coronavirus Cases: 424,876 ( + 32,590 )
Deaths: 18,941 ( + 1,794 )
Recovered: 109,217 ( + 5,828 )
US Cases: 54,935 46,168 ( + 8,767 )
Deaths: 784 ( + 202 )
Recovered: 379 ( + 84 )
I haven't read the details of this bill yet, but it makes me nervous. I don't like the language I'm initially reading:
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
[. . .]
The package would extend extraordinary taxpayer assistance to potentially millions of American and companies that have been hammered by the fast-moving economic crisis. The bill is being rushed through Congress without public hearings or formal review, and it’s unclear how effective the measures would be in arresting the economy’s sudden fall.
[. . .]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/
White House, Senate leaders reach deal on $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill, boosting world markets
With the United States becoming the next epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, Senate leaders and the Trump administration reached agreement early Wednesday on a $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy, as national debate raged over the duration and severity of restrictions aimed at containing the pandemic.
The spending deal aims to support the economy by sending $1,200 checks to many [ not all ] Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. A swift vote in Congress appears likely on Wednesday.
[ . . . ]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/25/coronavirus-latest-news/
Loss of Sense of Smell Could Be Early Sign of Coronavirus Infection
Here's a clue that you may have coronavirus that might surprise you: a loss of your sense of smell.
Groups representing ear, nose and throat (ENT) specialists in Britain and the United States have issued guidances that a sudden loss of a person's sense of smell may be a sign of infection with the new coronavirus.
[. . .]
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-24/loss-of-sense-of-smell-could-be-early-sign-of-coronavirus-infection
Commentonly said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
as someone who works anywhere between 85 and 90 hours a week running a business and having 5 children I struggle to read articles properly and have no real time to parse them out and fact check so I rely a little more on podcasts which I listen too whilst driving or working and the credentials of the person being interviewed
That was fantastic. I listened to it last night before falling asleep. EVERYONE needs to listen to that one. It's not like most don't have the time now.
Stay safe and healthy DUPeeps
Coronavirus Cases: 424,876 ( + 32,590 )
Deaths: 18,941 ( + 1,794 )
Recovered: 109,217 ( + 5,828 )
US Cases: 54,935 46,168 ( + 8,767 )
Deaths: 784 ( + 202 )
Recovered: 379 ( + 84 )
I haven't read the details of this bill yet, but it makes me nervous. I don't like the language I'm initially reading:
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
[. . .]
The package would extend extraordinary taxpayer assistance to potentially millions of American and companies that have been hammered by the fast-moving economic crisis. The bill is being rushed through Congress without public hearings or formal review, and it’s unclear how effective the measures would be in arresting the economy’s sudden fall.
[. . .]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/
White House, Senate leaders reach deal on $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill, boosting world markets
With the United States becoming the next epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, Senate leaders and the Trump administration reached agreement early Wednesday on a $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy, as national debate raged over the duration and severity of restrictions aimed at containing the pandemic.
The spending deal aims to support the economy by sending $1,200 checks to many [ not all ] Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. A swift vote in Congress appears likely on Wednesday.
[ . . . ]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/25/coronavirus-latest-news/
Loss of Sense of Smell Could Be Early Sign of Coronavirus Infection
Here's a clue that you may have coronavirus that might surprise you: a loss of your sense of smell.
Groups representing ear, nose and throat (ENT) specialists in Britain and the United States have issued guidances that a sudden loss of a person's sense of smell may be a sign of infection with the new coronavirus.
[. . .]
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-24/loss-of-sense-of-smell-could-be-early-sign-of-coronavirus-infection
Commentonly said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
as someone who works anywhere between 85 and 90 hours a week running a business and having 5 children I struggle to read articles properly and have no real time to parse them out and fact check so I rely a little more on podcasts which I listen too whilst driving or working and the credentials of the person being interviewed
That was fantastic. I listened to it last night before falling asleep. EVERYONE needs to listen to that one. It's not like most don't have the time now.
Stay safe and healthy DUPeeps
Ahavati said:Today's Worldometer
Coronavirus Cases: 424,876 ( + 32,590 )
Deaths: 18,941 ( + 1,794 )
Recovered: 109,217 ( + 5,828 )
US Cases: 54,935 46,168 ( + 8,767 )
Deaths: 784 ( + 202 )
Recovered: 379 ( + 84 )
I haven't read the details of this bill yet, but it makes me nervous. I don't like the language I'm initially reading:
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
[. . .]
The package would extend extraordinary taxpayer assistance to potentially millions of American and companies that have been hammered by the fast-moving economic crisis. The bill is being rushed through Congress without public hearings or formal review, and it’s unclear how effective the measures would be in arresting the economy’s sudden fall.
[. . .]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/
White House, Senate leaders reach deal on $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill, boosting world markets
With the United States becoming the next epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, Senate leaders and the Trump administration reached agreement early Wednesday on a $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy, as national debate raged over the duration and severity of restrictions aimed at containing the pandemic.
The spending deal aims to support the economy by sending $1,200 checks to many [ not all ] Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. A swift vote in Congress appears likely on Wednesday.
[ . . . ]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/25/coronavirus-latest-news/
Loss of Sense of Smell Could Be Early Sign of Coronavirus Infection
Here's a clue that you may have coronavirus that might surprise you: a loss of your sense of smell.
Groups representing ear, nose and throat (ENT) specialists in Britain and the United States have issued guidances that a sudden loss of a person's sense of smell may be a sign of infection with the new coronavirus.
[. . .]
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-24/loss-of-sense-of-smell-could-be-early-sign-of-coronavirus-infection
Stay safe and healthy DUPeeps
The legislation that is proposed has been written by the powerful, for the powerful.
Remember this moment in 6 weeks, when you are having your “Italy moment”.
The numbers are clear.....the US population does not have this virus under control.
(Not being alarmist....tracking data that is publicly available, and you have exponential growth rate with over taxes health systems. Not all states will be the same, as some have total cases less than 100 with a credible testing system. Get the fuck out of Texas)
Coronavirus Cases: 424,876 ( + 32,590 )
Deaths: 18,941 ( + 1,794 )
Recovered: 109,217 ( + 5,828 )
US Cases: 54,935 46,168 ( + 8,767 )
Deaths: 784 ( + 202 )
Recovered: 379 ( + 84 )
I haven't read the details of this bill yet, but it makes me nervous. I don't like the language I'm initially reading:
Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout
[. . .]
The package would extend extraordinary taxpayer assistance to potentially millions of American and companies that have been hammered by the fast-moving economic crisis. The bill is being rushed through Congress without public hearings or formal review, and it’s unclear how effective the measures would be in arresting the economy’s sudden fall.
[. . .]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/03/24/trump-coronavirus-congress-economic-stimulus/
White House, Senate leaders reach deal on $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill, boosting world markets
With the United States becoming the next epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, Senate leaders and the Trump administration reached agreement early Wednesday on a $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy, as national debate raged over the duration and severity of restrictions aimed at containing the pandemic.
The spending deal aims to support the economy by sending $1,200 checks to many [ not all ] Americans, creating a $367 billion loan program for small businesses and setting up a $500 billion fund for industries, cities and states. A swift vote in Congress appears likely on Wednesday.
[ . . . ]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/25/coronavirus-latest-news/
Loss of Sense of Smell Could Be Early Sign of Coronavirus Infection
Here's a clue that you may have coronavirus that might surprise you: a loss of your sense of smell.
Groups representing ear, nose and throat (ENT) specialists in Britain and the United States have issued guidances that a sudden loss of a person's sense of smell may be a sign of infection with the new coronavirus.
[. . .]
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-24/loss-of-sense-of-smell-could-be-early-sign-of-coronavirus-infection
Stay safe and healthy DUPeeps
The legislation that is proposed has been written by the powerful, for the powerful.
Remember this moment in 6 weeks, when you are having your “Italy moment”.
The numbers are clear.....the US population does not have this virus under control.
(Not being alarmist....tracking data that is publicly available, and you have exponential growth rate with over taxes health systems. Not all states will be the same, as some have total cases less than 100 with a credible testing system. Get the fuck out of Texas)
hemihead said:
The legislation that is proposed has been written by the powerful, for the powerful.
Remember this moment in 6 weeks, when you are having your “Italy moment”.
The numbers are clear.....the US population does not have this virus under control.
(Not being alarmist....tracking data that is publicly available, and you have exponential growth rate with over taxes health systems. Not all states will be the same, as some have total cases less than 100 with a credible testing system. Get the fuck out of Texas)
I'm completely aware of the train wreck that's found a place to happen. . .this is but one mere diversion cloaked with a red cross. I'm delving into it later today to see how badly we were sold out, fully expecting stocks to KY Jelly to skyrocket at some point.
The legislation that is proposed has been written by the powerful, for the powerful.
Remember this moment in 6 weeks, when you are having your “Italy moment”.
The numbers are clear.....the US population does not have this virus under control.
(Not being alarmist....tracking data that is publicly available, and you have exponential growth rate with over taxes health systems. Not all states will be the same, as some have total cases less than 100 with a credible testing system. Get the fuck out of Texas)
I'm completely aware of the train wreck that's found a place to happen. . .this is but one mere diversion cloaked with a red cross. I'm delving into it later today to see how badly we were sold out, fully expecting stocks to KY Jelly to skyrocket at some point.
Ahavati said:
I'm completely aware of the train wreck that's found a place to happen. . .this is but one mere diversion cloaked with a red cross. I'm delving into it later today to see how badly we were sold out, fully expecting stocks to KY Jelly to skyrocket at some point.
I haven’t read it (and may not). It is obvious that the true impact is being misunderstood at the highest level, so any deal right now will not be focused correctly.
(As ever I remain in awe of how a portion of the US will organise/mobilise and do truly great work. I am a massive fan of the US army Corp, whose professionalism and expertise are truly Roman in their ability to react. Oh to command such resources in the time of crisis.....I would be a king. They are however blunted in their true potential by lack of clear leadership from the Executive)
I'm completely aware of the train wreck that's found a place to happen. . .this is but one mere diversion cloaked with a red cross. I'm delving into it later today to see how badly we were sold out, fully expecting stocks to KY Jelly to skyrocket at some point.
I haven’t read it (and may not). It is obvious that the true impact is being misunderstood at the highest level, so any deal right now will not be focused correctly.
(As ever I remain in awe of how a portion of the US will organise/mobilise and do truly great work. I am a massive fan of the US army Corp, whose professionalism and expertise are truly Roman in their ability to react. Oh to command such resources in the time of crisis.....I would be a king. They are however blunted in their true potential by lack of clear leadership from the Executive)
