Critique Ban

To me it depends on what they are criticizing. The form of my poems or the content. I guess critique of form is what we are asking for. The content is a matter of taste and the experience of the writer. There are some contents I don't care for but still can appreciate form. I can be respectful and still criticise in a constructive manner. I don't know what happened to you...somebody ticked you off here with something they said about your poems it seems. I see you robes blown wild by angry winds.

Not angry at all...just firm in my conviction...

See my answer to Al...;)

What she said... Miz A got it right, I can't do any better... ely

See my answer below , Ely...

Thanks for the reply !

Why don't we ban writing poetry here to!

This is not a cooking site, never has been.

Don't like that! Tough!

It was created so we could critique each others poetry

That's it's entire point.  

Prepping my fingure on the "block a nutcase" button.

I don't believe in critique , Al...

Nor do I feel that is what any poetry site ,

this one included , is for , or has to be for ;

A poetry site as I see it , is to *share* work ,

or promote it ;

I know many who were influenced by academia

believe in debate and critique ; I never went to college ,

never have asked for critique or feedback in my life

or existence , blazed my own trail , believe the best

people in the world are self made , and do not rely

on the opinions of others to guide them in anything

only their own hearts and souls , and find too many

people kowtow to what others feel...

This poem is not about this site , nor one poem in

particular , nor just me...it is *not* really calling for a

critique ban here , in the least...

It is a poem speaking of my feelings about how critique

is so important to some , who are either "addicted" to

giving , or getting it...rather than relying on themselves...



Many in this world were manipulated , or programmed

to not trust themselves , and trust others more , who were

self appointed , or placed on a pedestal by others ;


This is one reason I do not vote , nor believe in a political

voting system...nor do I believe in general laws , unless they

are right to my heart and soul...Those I trust over anyone

else's opinion , or judgement ;

So , I may differ from others...that does not make me or

anyone wrong who goes up against any system , anywhere ;

By the way , I already got positive feedback on this poem

and feelings from a longtime member here , in a pm...

Not that I *needed* it , nor did I seek it...yet it was there in

my inbox...

So , there shall be those who agree and disagree with my

point , which under it all deals with many people's lack of

self esteem in the world , and need for other's confirmation

or denial of who they are , what they do or say , and how

they say it ;

I have always loved the saying :

"Frankly , My Dear , I Don't Give A Damn"

It is how I have lived my life since I was a teenager...

At 64 , I am thankful I have...;)

We may not agree...but each to their own !

dearest Wolf I like a good critique when it is helpful
and not bashing..

I didn't care much for slowfires endless rant
that took up half my page on my poem rusted out thoughts from the edge
as the main topic of the poem was breaking writing rules...

aw well, such is life....

you have the right to break all poetic rules
blazing a trail all your own..

love Crim

Thanks , Crim...

I respect each person's choices and needs...

I also believe we are not on this earth to follow ,

but to become our own leaders and ultimately gods...

This is just a school where we learn how to listen to

our heart and soul...but that is my opinion !

As my Grammar said : ( purposeful misspelling )

"Whatever Works" !

.... Do people know how long proper critiques actually take to write? I mean really?

Speaking as somebody who does write in depth critiques, they take a fkn long time out of my day. I now have to ask people if it’s ok if I critique them.... I mean what superfluous fresh hell is that.  

I only get to properly critique clown boy up there. Y’know why? Because he’s the only one who can take it and give it in equal measure. That little sliver of poetic interaction is one of the few reasons I stay, because at least SOMEONE is here for the writing. Those interactions have taught me more about writing in seven years than any other writer on this site. Because that is how we grow: by helping each other.  

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS A POETRY SITE. WE DO POETRY. OUR BUISNESS IS POETRY.  

Anybody that disagrees with the effort of my critiques, or anybody else’s critiques that they have put their valuable time into creating... there’s the damn door. It’s zero skin off my nose. I’m here to write.  

Thank you and goodnight.

Missy I agree with you on critique sadly while I love receiving them I'm not gifted at giving them... I love that you've stayed you and Al along with a few others... you are so out of my league as a writer I struggle with the concepts you lay out... I can appreciate them for their brilliance but give an in-depth intelligent critique I cannot... that is an art form all its self... perhaps one day I will master it, for now, I can only study the master's examples...

keep on keeping on you're an example of what poetry is to be about...

love Brenda

... Anybody out there can critique. They just don’t. Because they’re lazy and appreciate nothing but a good arse licking. Critique doesn’t have to be an in depth analysis from Oxford. It can be a few lines to say what you did and didn’t like. These days, we aren’t even getting that.  
 
Lazy is as lazy does. I am not gonna sit here and sugarcoat that fact.

you think I got it in me to critique really?

I think of myself as inept.

Missy , I respect how you , and others may feel about critique...

Yet respect does not mean I , or any others have to agree with

me , you , or anyone ;


I do not believe poetry equals a need for critique , just like I do

not believe my life needs critique from someone else ;

Poetry is about life , personal expression , and personal power ;

This site is about poetry , yes...

Yet in Speakeasy , a forum to post about many things of life , and

share , I also posted a thread about eating and good food and drink ;

Because we as poets need to eat , and sharing our tastes of food can

be a friendly , and great thing...nothing wrong in my mind with that ,

or many other things we share in Speakeasy on a poetry site...


Now for those who like it , yes we do have a Critique forum...

that is great for those who want it , need it , or choose to give it ;


But *that* is not what poetry is about ;


Poetry is heart and soul...

Personally , as I said before , I have no care whether people love

me , or hate me , or my poetry , or content and style of expression ;

I am an individual , and was raised to care about people , not what they think ;

I write because I am driven to write , I write because my Muse demands it ,

and I am here because I believe in sharing that expression ;

I am an artist in a number of forms ;

I carve antler ( as you have seen ) , I draw , I write , I play music and chant ;

I don't need critique in any of them ;

However , I shall grow because of my own inner drive , not because someone

tells me their way is better...I shall find that road on my own ;

So , I do not believe just because someone does not want or need other's

critique , ( or criticism ) they should not write poetry , or express themselves

as an artist , or be part of a poetry site ;

I believe it is an individual choice , and I speak my truth of what I feel about

critique of life and personal expression in general ;

We all have our opinions , feelings , and ways of seeing the world ;

Unless someone is harming others directly ( social injustice , violence , etc... )

I believe in letting them find their own way...

I believe in support of a person , more than any idea of critique ,

supporting their heart , their soul , their goals , and if they ask , then I might

offer them assistance , whether in life or poetry ;

I remember having this embedded in me *very* clearly when I was a teen ,

when a girlfriend said :

"I don't want you to *fix* me , just *listen* to me"

And *that* is exactly how I see poetry , a poem , and a poet ;

To *listen* to them , and support them , *not fix* them , or their poetry

unless truly asked for...

But that is the way I see it...as I say we are all different...and as poets , we

all deserve to be here , critique lovers , or not !

Best to you...

If life has it that way for me , I just may be here seven years from now , still

not liking the art of critiquing poetry , by content , style and form , yet still

continuing to write and expressing my thoughts and feelings !

Ok Blackwolf...all that is fine...but why are you selecting on your site that you are asking for honest critique and then go off about it?
That's like a sucker punch....right? If you believe what you said here, than you should not allow any comments on your poetry...period.

If you fully read everything I have said in this thread ,

including original authors notes , and did not just react

but took the time to really digest and think about my

answers you might understand ( but maybe not ) ;

I can ask for anything in the universe ;

Anyone can...

Then when we get an answer , whatever it is , it is our

open ended option to respond however we choose...

We are not bound to someone else's idea of how we

should respond...that is bullshit , if someone tries to

define how another should respond !

If I not ask , but click on the button saying I am open to

critique , and someone does so , there is no law ( nor

would I follow it if there was ) that states how I or anyone

should react to honest critique...

And truthfully , I do not believe there is "honest critique" ;

There is a person's version of what they may believe is

"honest critique" ;

Yet that does not *prove* it is "honest critique" ;

It is always critique slanted by another human's perspective ,

added to their own agendas...whether seen or unseen , or

admitted or unadmitted by them...

All a power game ( in my opinion )...;)

Poetry is about emotions and instilling them into others. All poems are not for everyone. We tend to take what we need from them at the present moment.

As for critique, I can take it as long as it's not bashing or condescending. Suggestions are always welcome. Discussion of different view points are critical in this world.

The only thing I hate about critique is that vulnerable poets will change their style or content just to appease a self proclaimed critic. I've seen it ruin some really good poets and stifling creativity.

Poetry is not an exact science, it is subjective. No one way is right or wrong. Just look at the way poetry has changed in the last 100 years. It is ever evolving just like language and societal values.

Very provocative piece.

Yes, I can see that....even though I only had one critique ( that slowfire dude), which I thought was off and I ignored it. I am generally open to suggestions, but don't feel obligated to change my poem because someone sais so. I look at it and consider...however this never has been a problem for me.

Well written comment , Tim ;

( if I was to give my opinion )...lol !

I would add , for me , Poetry *is* language ,

as it is the language of the soul ;

And if Poetry is emotion , should we critique emotion ?

Now if one is expressing emotion to me in real life , and  

I am both an empath , and have synesthesia , I do need

the delivery to be in a way I can receive it , so I do not have

to put up "buffer walls"...

Perhaps this is why some critique...I don't know , but maybe  

it is speaking of the way they need to receive and filter the  

emotions and information ;

Then , I would truly agree with your statement here :

"All poems are not for everyone"

As for this :

"Discussion of different view points are critical in this world"

Up to a point ;

I have met a few loners in this life , in the city , and the mountains ;

Interact little with others , mostly do not talk ( one I met in the mountains

had not talked to anyone for 9 years ) , yet are perfectly content , and  

express great love...

They just did not want or need to talk , nor be talked to...;)

All different !

Good Night , DUP !

( or morning , afternoon , evening , no time , whatever )

Been great !

This boy needs his sleep !

Thanks for all being you !

Woofie... why do you say that you encourage honest critique, when it is quite obvious that you do not feel that way at all?

I just asked the same....There is an option to not recieve any comments on your work. For someone thin skinned that might be the way to go.

What about good ol' "Friendly Feedback"?

I am not "thin skinned"...I just don't necessarily believe in Critique ,

where some one dissects poems , and goes over them line by line...

That is often critique...they do the same in debate in college ;

It is just the method used...

I wish the site had an option : "Don't Believe In Critique"

I have never wanted to be or seem unfriendly...

Overall , unless treated poorly , I am just the opposite !

So I have put Honest Critique , because I saw many put it

without any deeply critiquing their poetry...

But look in my Authors notes here...that *is* what they are for...

To be read...that says how I feel very well...

That way , if someone really does go there , I am stating what I

believe...and how I might , or might not receive it...

I feel *that* is truly fair , to the reader / commenter , and to me...

I did get another couple of PM's supporting the post , and understanding ;

As I say...we are all different...we should not expect anyone to believe or

act in the same way as us , but we leave options...

And in the end of all this , so I wrote a poem about my feelings about critique ;

Not a big deal...but look at the hornets' nest !

To me , that is hilarious !

Love you all !

Woofie... you're all about hornet nests... it's your stock-in-trade,  amigo.
If there ain't one available, you go lookin' to find one.

Why else be saying you want "Honest Critique" when what you really want is NO CRITIQUE...
Where I come from we call that Caca de Vaca AKA Bull...

You still don't understand me , but that is okay...

I give up trying to explain it...

And no , I am not *all about hornets' nests ;

I have written on many things , and am an

extremely happy and loving person , in real life ;

However , as Tim said , Poetry is about emotion ,

and conveying it...

And as I am becoming more of an activist in my

aging years , that is what I have been writing about more...

About 270 new poems in three months , and many of them

are about other things...

So we can disagree...I know who I am , and am very happy !

Woofie Dearest... Like my mentor used to say... "De gustibus non disputandum est." It has never been proven wrong. ely

By the way , Ely...my name is not Woofie ,

nor ever has been...if you want my respect ,

please respect me...at the furthest from my

true name , I shall accept Wolfie...not a dog's name Woofie !

I do find that rather insulting , and ask you

cease that behavior , as I do not accept it...

Thank You !

Sorry, old chum... It was the nickname of an old and dear friend... no offense intended...
I am such a lousy typist, that i shorten anything I can...
I will find something more appropriate... thanks for letting me know... Ely

Sorry, old chum... It was the nickname of an old and dear friend... no offense intended...
I am such a lousy typist, that i shorten anything I can...
I will find something more appropriate... thanks for letting me know... Ely

Thanks  for understanding , Ely !

( and I am honored , now that you told me

your old and dear friend's nickname...:)

Wolfie would be fine...if you choose !

( I type all my post's with one finger , so I

can relate...yet , considering how much I

post , it is the "fastest finger in the west" ;

Thank the Muse , it is *not* my middle finger ! )

The more I thought about what happened here ,

the more hilarious it became to me ;

Someone critiques critique and states they don't like it ;

Immediately they are critiqued for not liking critique ,

even when they have taken the time and care to place

in the Authors Notes their possible reactions to critique

if it is given , and subsequently , when critiqued ( and

blatantly attacked for not liking critique ) takes the time

to explain why they do not like , nor believe in critique

from their point of view , and perspective , is further

attacked by those who believe poetry is not valid , nor

the poet , unless they like or accept , or give critique...Aggghhh !

Anyone see a script for a Kafkaesque movie here ?

Keystone Cops hilarious !

( Anti - Critique Perpetrator ! Get Him ! )


LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL !

Thanks for the Laughs !