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lepperochan said:To be fair, i dont think either of you actually understand why there is a war going on in ukraine.who started it, and when
Honest to god, its unreal the amount of ignorance going on
IF you're referring to me.
I understand more than you think, Craic. Including the reason for the war and all the countries who perpetuated and have since facilitated it. That was established in the censored and now hidden threads of yesteryore.
Is it okay for me to say I don't give a rat's ass what Trump is doing in Ukraine to make himself appear the big heroic negotiator as long as he's throwing the U.S. under the bus just like we knew he would. That was my point.
If you can't understand that or where Rew is coming from, maybe you're the one who's displaying ignorance.
P.S. Spoiler alert: The plan is to throw Ukraine under the bus.
Hope I didn't ruin it for you.
Honest to god, its unreal the amount of ignorance going on
IF you're referring to me.
I understand more than you think, Craic. Including the reason for the war and all the countries who perpetuated and have since facilitated it. That was established in the censored and now hidden threads of yesteryore.
Is it okay for me to say I don't give a rat's ass what Trump is doing in Ukraine to make himself appear the big heroic negotiator as long as he's throwing the U.S. under the bus just like we knew he would. That was my point.
If you can't understand that or where Rew is coming from, maybe you're the one who's displaying ignorance.
P.S. Spoiler alert: The plan is to throw Ukraine under the bus.
Hope I didn't ruin it for you.
lepperochan said:Im sorry, was busy editing didn't know you had replied
Not much of a Spoiler alert, Lady. They done it to the Kurds the last time
Apology accepted. I'll post more on this tomorrow when well-rested. I did read your edited post and basically understood the agreement between NATO and Russia. That's just not what I'm focused on. I'm focused on what's happening to U.S. citizens and this country as a whole as the "Saints" come marching in. . .wearing ( vs carrying ) their crosses in plain clothes ( vs white robes ).
Not much of a Spoiler alert, Lady. They done it to the Kurds the last time
Apology accepted. I'll post more on this tomorrow when well-rested. I did read your edited post and basically understood the agreement between NATO and Russia. That's just not what I'm focused on. I'm focused on what's happening to U.S. citizens and this country as a whole as the "Saints" come marching in. . .wearing ( vs carrying ) their crosses in plain clothes ( vs white robes ).
lepperochan said:Im sorry, was busy editing didn't know you had replied
Okay, nice, hot cup'o tea and biscuit break ( first since 4:30 AM ). Much misunderstanding comes from the inability to view something or at least consider that we may not be viewing something from another's perspective; thus, may have a tendency to label their perspective as ignorant because it doesn't align with ours.
You're viewing through the lens of who perpetuated the Russia/Ukraine war and why it even exists, while Rew and I were focused on what war is metaphorically: a rapist of a country's sovereignty and innocent civilians of their lives, women of their rights, LGBTQ+ of their identities, and so on and so forth.
It's the classic matriarchal ( nurturing care ) vs patriarchal ( aggressive defense ) viewpoint. Astrologically, these can be described as characteristics of Cancer ( divine feminine ) and Aries ( divine masculine ).
One perspective is cause, the other effect.
[ As an aside, Aries' ruler, Mars, is currently transiting Cancer as I type this, which makes all this energy more interesting to observe and experience. Mars is also OOB, which means he becomes his own warrior, leaving the Sun's battlefield and rules in search of his own.]
While I understand Russia's viewpoint on constitutional breach, when does Ukraine get to become a sovereign nation out from under Russia's thumb? The inability to decide one's own country's direction or fate is not freedom but oppression, imho.
President Trump has said that Ukraine may end up Russian, and that he wants American money returned. That doesn't make him a hero in my opinion, especially in light of what's happening here in the U.S.
I am so relieved that countries like England are ensuring Ukraine receives the support it needs to establish sovereignty. Freedom and democracy are vital to any country attempting to distance from authoritarian regimes, such as Russia, China, and Hungary ( whose PM just met with the head of far-right German party, calling her "the future of Germany" ).
[ As another aside, Trump, Orbon, and Xi Jinping are all Geminis, and Putin has a Gemini Moon, whose most negative characteristic is scheming, which I think most will agree that is exactly what is happening with these four meeting with world leaders and those who could further their own personal interests. Astrology is fucking literal, but that's for another discussion or essay. ]
I nailed this years ago in the HCR threads, whose truths are now closed and hidden, when I said the vehicle being used to drive this scheming was "Christian" nationalism accompanied by the rise of male-dominated white supremacy.
We're not ignorant because we choose to view things through a different lens, and neither are you. With that said, I am hoping this thread doesn't descend into the pits of labeling as the others have, only to see it closed and hidden.
Okay, nice, hot cup'o tea and biscuit break ( first since 4:30 AM ). Much misunderstanding comes from the inability to view something or at least consider that we may not be viewing something from another's perspective; thus, may have a tendency to label their perspective as ignorant because it doesn't align with ours.
You're viewing through the lens of who perpetuated the Russia/Ukraine war and why it even exists, while Rew and I were focused on what war is metaphorically: a rapist of a country's sovereignty and innocent civilians of their lives, women of their rights, LGBTQ+ of their identities, and so on and so forth.
It's the classic matriarchal ( nurturing care ) vs patriarchal ( aggressive defense ) viewpoint. Astrologically, these can be described as characteristics of Cancer ( divine feminine ) and Aries ( divine masculine ).
One perspective is cause, the other effect.
[ As an aside, Aries' ruler, Mars, is currently transiting Cancer as I type this, which makes all this energy more interesting to observe and experience. Mars is also OOB, which means he becomes his own warrior, leaving the Sun's battlefield and rules in search of his own.]
While I understand Russia's viewpoint on constitutional breach, when does Ukraine get to become a sovereign nation out from under Russia's thumb? The inability to decide one's own country's direction or fate is not freedom but oppression, imho.
President Trump has said that Ukraine may end up Russian, and that he wants American money returned. That doesn't make him a hero in my opinion, especially in light of what's happening here in the U.S.
I am so relieved that countries like England are ensuring Ukraine receives the support it needs to establish sovereignty. Freedom and democracy are vital to any country attempting to distance from authoritarian regimes, such as Russia, China, and Hungary ( whose PM just met with the head of far-right German party, calling her "the future of Germany" ).
[ As another aside, Trump, Orbon, and Xi Jinping are all Geminis, and Putin has a Gemini Moon, whose most negative characteristic is scheming, which I think most will agree that is exactly what is happening with these four meeting with world leaders and those who could further their own personal interests. Astrology is fucking literal, but that's for another discussion or essay. ]
I nailed this years ago in the HCR threads, whose truths are now closed and hidden, when I said the vehicle being used to drive this scheming was "Christian" nationalism accompanied by the rise of male-dominated white supremacy.
We're not ignorant because we choose to view things through a different lens, and neither are you. With that said, I am hoping this thread doesn't descend into the pits of labeling as the others have, only to see it closed and hidden.
lepperochan said:To be fair, i dont think either of you actually understand why there is a war going on in ukraine.who started it, and when
Honest to god, its unreal the amount of ignorance going on
Edit:
So there's the whole NATO agreement not to expand close to Russian borders. Agreement was broken by NATO 13 times
Obviously there's the whole cold war saga where the US administration figured it was ok to try start WW3 because Russia / Cuba missiles (hold this thought)
Around 2013 Ukrainian president was asked of he would like to have a trade deal with Europe instead of Russia. Having thought about it he publicly declined in 2014, the then president maintained the trade deal Ukraine already had with Russia was much more amicable and better in the long run for Ukraine. most analysts would agree with that
However, the decision sparked a protest in what is now Freedom Square. The president was pushed to resign, and free elections were to be held
In the meantime a regime change was 'supported' (placed). An interim government who were openly Nazi lovers (couldn't make it up) who threatened to attack Russia with chemical weapons
having witnessed a Nazi government installed into Ukraine two regions of Ukraine declared independence. I think Lugansk and Donnesk. These two regions were immediately attacked (shelled) by Ukrainian forces and are still being shelled to this day
Russia did not immediately recognise the independent states, it took 10 years
Then the talk about Ukraine joining NATO started floating about I dunno if you understand what that would mean. Ukrainian government used to. So much so that it was enshrined into their constitution that they would always be independent of both NATO and Russia
So, in 2019 /20 the Russian government asked NATO to clarify position in writing, and give an assurance Ukraine was not going to become a member of NATO among other things
There was no assurance given. you'd have wonder why not.
So that is the basics as i understand it.
I've written my understanding in my own words as I understand it. without resorting to name calling n such
i would be more than happy to read other people's understanding
Well said, Lepp.👍 It's good to see NATO coming into the conversation.
🕉️🏳️✌️☮️
Honest to god, its unreal the amount of ignorance going on
Edit:
So there's the whole NATO agreement not to expand close to Russian borders. Agreement was broken by NATO 13 times
Obviously there's the whole cold war saga where the US administration figured it was ok to try start WW3 because Russia / Cuba missiles (hold this thought)
Around 2013 Ukrainian president was asked of he would like to have a trade deal with Europe instead of Russia. Having thought about it he publicly declined in 2014, the then president maintained the trade deal Ukraine already had with Russia was much more amicable and better in the long run for Ukraine. most analysts would agree with that
However, the decision sparked a protest in what is now Freedom Square. The president was pushed to resign, and free elections were to be held
In the meantime a regime change was 'supported' (placed). An interim government who were openly Nazi lovers (couldn't make it up) who threatened to attack Russia with chemical weapons
having witnessed a Nazi government installed into Ukraine two regions of Ukraine declared independence. I think Lugansk and Donnesk. These two regions were immediately attacked (shelled) by Ukrainian forces and are still being shelled to this day
Russia did not immediately recognise the independent states, it took 10 years
Then the talk about Ukraine joining NATO started floating about I dunno if you understand what that would mean. Ukrainian government used to. So much so that it was enshrined into their constitution that they would always be independent of both NATO and Russia
So, in 2019 /20 the Russian government asked NATO to clarify position in writing, and give an assurance Ukraine was not going to become a member of NATO among other things
There was no assurance given. you'd have wonder why not.
So that is the basics as i understand it.
I've written my understanding in my own words as I understand it. without resorting to name calling n such
i would be more than happy to read other people's understanding
Well said, Lepp.👍 It's good to see NATO coming into the conversation.
🕉️🏳️✌️☮️
