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THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
I'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man
who picks mean words from his own heart
to show what's precious can cause harm.
How dare he falsify these facts?
They're proper and concern deep faith,
neglecting the joy that they give
which builds strong base and has no end.
How can he accuse what is pure
by using words so full of shame?
But l am sure that each glass
presents the liquid it contains.
I'm sorry to hear those who are
applying decency and faith
have been described of bad repute
and that who's dripping dirt is clean.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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I'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man
who picks mean words from his own heart
to show what's precious can cause harm.
How dare he falsify these facts?
They're proper and concern deep faith,
neglecting the joy that they give
which builds strong base and has no end.
How can he accuse what is pure
by using words so full of shame?
But l am sure that each glass
presents the liquid it contains.
I'm sorry to hear those who are
applying decency and faith
have been described of bad repute
and that who's dripping dirt is clean.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
28th Nov 2022 12:33pm
"I'm sorry that **what's** righteousness...
to show **what's** precious can cause harm."
"How dare he falsify these facts?"
What facts?
"
"They're proper and cocern deep faith,""
concern
"neglecting the joy that they give
which build strong base and has no end."
[joy] ... buildS A strong base
"I'm sorry to hear those who are
applying decency and faith"
applying to what?
"have been described of bad repute"
as of
"and that who's dripping dirt is clean."
dirt does not drip.
to show **what's** precious can cause harm."
"How dare he falsify these facts?"
What facts?
"
"They're proper and cocern deep faith,""
concern
"neglecting the joy that they give
which build strong base and has no end."
[joy] ... buildS A strong base
"I'm sorry to hear those who are
applying decency and faith"
applying to what?
"have been described of bad repute"
as of
"and that who's dripping dirt is clean."
dirt does not drip.
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
28th Nov 2022 2:44pm
Baldwin, let us discuss each point separately so that we can see who is mistaken.
1-"l'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man..."
What's wrong with this, Baldwin? You are mistaken to say there is a mistake in it.
1-"l'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man..."
What's wrong with this, Baldwin? You are mistaken to say there is a mistake in it.
Re: Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
You miss my point. I was commenting on the fact that you used "what's" twice within your first stanza.
But the idea that "righteousness" has "got" something is somewhat unintelligible.
In any case, I see that your recognized in your changing "cocern" to" concern" that you did not write well or take the time to proofread what you posted without thanking me for pointing out and correcting your mistake.
BTW, to whom does "the mean accuser" give the medal you mention in your title but not in your text?
And what specifically are the accusations the mean accuser makes?
But the idea that "righteousness" has "got" something is somewhat unintelligible.
In any case, I see that your recognized in your changing "cocern" to" concern" that you did not write well or take the time to proofread what you posted without thanking me for pointing out and correcting your mistake.
BTW, to whom does "the mean accuser" give the medal you mention in your title but not in your text?
And what specifically are the accusations the mean accuser makes?
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
28th Nov 2022 6:45pm
1-Baldwin, WHAT is a subordinating conjunction. It's not a common word. There is nothing wrong to use it twice in a stanza.
2-WHAT FACTS? The facts mentioned in the first stanza, a-blaming RIGHTEOUSNESS, b- using bad words against it.
Am l explaining a poem to a child or to a person supposed to be a poet?
2-WHAT FACTS? The facts mentioned in the first stanza, a-blaming RIGHTEOUSNESS, b- using bad words against it.
Am l explaining a poem to a child or to a person supposed to be a poet?
Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
"Baldwin, WHAT is a subordinating conjunction. It's not a common word. There is nothing wrong to use it twice in a stanza."
"
Leaving aside the questionable claim that "what" is not a common word, the issue is whether the use of "what's" = "what is". twice within a stanza is good writing.
And that's again for yet another ad hominem.
And who used bad words against righteousness?
"
Leaving aside the questionable claim that "what" is not a common word, the issue is whether the use of "what's" = "what is". twice within a stanza is good writing.
And that's again for yet another ad hominem.
And who used bad words against righteousness?
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
28th Nov 2022 7:38pm
Baldwin, read your poem, JOSEPH'S DILEMMA with its terrible words, you will know who used bad words against righteousness.
Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
28th Nov 2022 7:48pm
"Baldwin, read your poem, JOSEPH'S DILEMMA with its terrible words, you will know who used bad words against righteousness."
Please point out to me which words in my submission are "terrible".
Please point out to me which words in my submission are "terrible".
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
"I'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man
who picks mean words from his own heart "
Why are you sorry that righteousness saddles a man with "blame"? After all, he used mean words to (allegedly) attack it Isn't he getting what he deserves?
And are you going to tell me which of the words I use in (the Biblical) Joseph's dilemma are terrible? Or are you going to once again be all mouth?
has got great blame for such a man
who picks mean words from his own heart "
Why are you sorry that righteousness saddles a man with "blame"? After all, he used mean words to (allegedly) attack it Isn't he getting what he deserves?
And are you going to tell me which of the words I use in (the Biblical) Joseph's dilemma are terrible? Or are you going to once again be all mouth?
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
29th Nov 2022 3:42pm
I wrote to J-Z,
"...are you going to tell me which of the words I use in (the Biblical) Joseph's dilemma are terrible? Or are you going to once again be all mouth?"
So ... given his silence in the face of my question, J-Z once again shows himself to be all mouth.
"...are you going to tell me which of the words I use in (the Biblical) Joseph's dilemma are terrible? Or are you going to once again be all mouth?"
So ... given his silence in the face of my question, J-Z once again shows himself to be all mouth.
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
30th Nov 2022 2:08pm
"I'm sorry that what's righteousness
has got great blame for such a man ..."
Did you mean "from" such a man "?
has got great blame for such a man ..."
Did you mean "from" such a man "?
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
30th Nov 2022 6:49pm
Re: Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
30th Nov 2022 7:15pm
Because it implies that you think righteousness is wrong to have a blame for this man, especially since you seem to say that you feel sorry for the man who has it in for righteousness
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
30th Nov 2022 7:54pm
1- HAS GOT means HAS BECOME.
2-FOR means HOW IT AFFECTS OR RELATES TO SUCH A MAN.
I think you can understand the sentence now, Baldwin.
2-FOR means HOW IT AFFECTS OR RELATES TO SUCH A MAN.
I think you can understand the sentence now, Baldwin.
Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
Leaving aside the fact that "has got" means "now possesses"
https://learnenglishteens.britishcouncil.org/grammar/a1-a2-grammar/have-got
and that "a blame" is deictic and is not intelligible unless you specify what this "blame" is, not to mention that Joseph was not blamed for anything
I understand that if you had wanted to make clear what you say your line means, you should have written
"I'm sorry that what is righteousness
is labeled by a heartless man
as a cause for bearing shame.
https://learnenglishteens.britishcouncil.org/grammar/a1-a2-grammar/have-got
and that "a blame" is deictic and is not intelligible unless you specify what this "blame" is, not to mention that Joseph was not blamed for anything
I understand that if you had wanted to make clear what you say your line means, you should have written
"I'm sorry that what is righteousness
is labeled by a heartless man
as a cause for bearing shame.
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
30th Nov 2022 9:23pm
What you have written means nothing to me. They are the words of a poet like you. I am completely different. Thank you for your advice. You troubled yourself a lot.
Re: Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
"What you have written means nothing to me. "
I wouldn't expect that it would given that it conveys a thought clearly.
And your saying that my words mean nothing to you does not mitigate the fact that your understanding of what "has got" means cannot be sustained, that "a blame" is deictic, and that according to the Gospel of Matthew, Joseph was not blamed for anything.
"They are the words of a poet like you. I am completely different. "
Yes, we are entirely different. I do not think that the words I use mean what they do not mean, I avoid deixis, and I do not mistitle my submissions.
But once again, thanks for the ad hominem.
I wouldn't expect that it would given that it conveys a thought clearly.
And your saying that my words mean nothing to you does not mitigate the fact that your understanding of what "has got" means cannot be sustained, that "a blame" is deictic, and that according to the Gospel of Matthew, Joseph was not blamed for anything.
"They are the words of a poet like you. I am completely different. "
Yes, we are entirely different. I do not think that the words I use mean what they do not mean, I avoid deixis, and I do not mistitle my submissions.
But once again, thanks for the ad hominem.
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
1st Dec 2022 8:14am
Hey! I like the metaphor with the liquid and the glass that contains it!
The poem, in general, soothes the need for justice that we all experience and feel ...
This world is so jaded, but truth cannot be deprived of its essence, regardless of all manipulations.
The poem, in general, soothes the need for justice that we all experience and feel ...
This world is so jaded, but truth cannot be deprived of its essence, regardless of all manipulations.
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Re: Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
1st Dec 2022 12:50pm
"Hey! I like the metaphor with the liquid and the glass that contains it!"
But it isn't a metaphor. It's a statement about what the narrator is sure that a glass supposedly does. More importantly, it's a statement that has no apparent connection to what it follows or to what the submission is supposed to be about -- the giving of a medal to an unknown recipient for an unknown reason by a mean accuser.
But it isn't a metaphor. It's a statement about what the narrator is sure that a glass supposedly does. More importantly, it's a statement that has no apparent connection to what it follows or to what the submission is supposed to be about -- the giving of a medal to an unknown recipient for an unknown reason by a mean accuser.
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
1st Dec 2022 12:08pm
"But l am sure that each glass
presents the liquid it contains. "
Leaving aside the fact that the first line is metrically unsound, what does this questionable assertion (some glasses are empty and glasses don't present anything) have to do with how the man who calls forth blame from righteousness is mean?
And where within the text of this submission is his giving of a medal depicted?
presents the liquid it contains. "
Leaving aside the fact that the first line is metrically unsound, what does this questionable assertion (some glasses are empty and glasses don't present anything) have to do with how the man who calls forth blame from righteousness is mean?
And where within the text of this submission is his giving of a medal depicted?
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
1st Dec 2022 7:10pm
Hey, Joseph. Here's a Biblical text I'd like you to try your poetic talents on. Give us a poem that deals with the event from the shepherds' point of view.
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8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”
16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger
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8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”
16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger
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Re. THE MEAN ACCUSER GIVES A MEDAL.
1st Dec 2022 9:00pm
Very dear Boyana,
Thank you very much for your read and very generous comment. I hope you will publish a new poem very soon. J.Z.
Thank you very much for your read and very generous comment. I hope you will publish a new poem very soon. J.Z.