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On Poetic Forms, Nr.01 (Quaterns: Theory & Practice)
QUATERNS - THE THEORY
1.(A) The first line of a quatern marks a start
2.(b) begins to fix a course the poem takes
3.(a) determining a complicated art
4.(b) with meaning staked beneath its subtle wake;
5.(c) inserting clues the next lines clearly note
6.(A) the first line of a quatern marks a start
7.(c) as flow entices readers cast their vote
8.(a) on how emerging lines will play their part;
9.(a) it’s not a case of trying to be smart -
10.(d) a quatern has some movement to express,
11.(A) the first line of a quatern marks a start
12.(d) to which the lines that follow owe success;
13.(e) completion of the cycle must comply
14.(a) with alphas and omegas of the heart
15.(e) where satisfying closure answers why
16.(A) the first line of a quatern marks a start.
QUATERNS - THE PRACTICE
Marching Off To
The men go marching off to war
conscripted 'gainst their will, no doubt
though many people are unsure
about the reasons touted out
as media moguls wave the flags
the men go marching off to war
they soon come back in body-bags -
increasing voices ask "what for?"
but hidden forces at the core
manipulate with vicious might
so men go marching off to war
and try their best to prove them right
conclude at last the money-boys
can profit much from all the gore
yet mesmerised by weapon-toys
the men go marching off to war.
Written by
Josh
(Joshua Bond)
Published 30th Nov 2018
| Edited 21st Oct 2023
Author's Note
Number 1 in a series on Poetic Forms, including both Theory and Practice. The first poem uses the form itself to explain the 'Theory' of the form. The second poem uses the form as a random 'Practice' example.
On Poetic Forms, Nr.02 can be found here:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/328677-on-limericks-a-limerick/
On Poetic Forms, Nr.02 can be found here:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/328677-on-limericks-a-limerick/
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Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
30th Nov 2018 10:18pm
Thank you for sharing the brilliance of a Quatern ... I try to learn something new every day
:))
:))
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
Thank you Jemac, and for the RL. To get a handle on quaterns you could also visit the queen of quaterns (Jade-Pandora) who is the master of the art - and also I wrote one in her honour, published 16th Nov ( https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/326908-the-queen-of-quaterns-for-jade-pandora/ )
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1st Dec 2018 2:52am
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
30th Nov 2018 10:26pm
The quatern form is a tricky one, seems to me. You do it well, and have taught me something about this style. Just wish I could pull it off with your finesse. It would be worth a try, but I doubt I could ever match this. Fine work Josh!
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
30th Nov 2018 11:14pm
Thank you Crowfly for your enthusiasm on my efforts. I think my obsession with villanelles is slowly growing to encompass quaterns now. I first came across them through reading Jade-Pandora's poems - and I see now Hepcat is on the case, too.
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
Very impressive ... it reminded me of the Coleridge poem where he explained all the poetic feet and illustrated how they worked.
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
Thank you AB for your affirmation; and the RL too. I vaguely remember some poet doing this; I didn't know it was Coleridge. Do you know what the title of the poem was?
Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
1st Dec 2018 8:49am
Metrical Feet
Trochee trips from long to short;
From long to long in solemn sort
Slow Spondee stalks, strong foot!, yet ill able
Ever to come up with Dactyl's trisyllable.
Iambics march from short to long.
With a leap and a bound the swift Anapests throng.
One syllable long, with one short at each side,
Amphibrachys hastes with a stately stride --
First and last being long, middle short, Amphimacer
Strikes his thundering hoofs like a proud high-bred Racer.
If Derwent be innocent, steady, and wise,
And delight in the things of earth, water, and skies;
Tender warmth at his heart, with these meters to show it,
WIth sound sense in his brains, may make Derwent a poet --
May crown him with fame, and must win him the love
Of his father on earth and his father above.
My dear, dear child!
Could you stand upon Skiddaw, you would not from its whole ridge
See a man who so loves you as your fond S.T. Colerige.
Trochee trips from long to short;
From long to long in solemn sort
Slow Spondee stalks, strong foot!, yet ill able
Ever to come up with Dactyl's trisyllable.
Iambics march from short to long.
With a leap and a bound the swift Anapests throng.
One syllable long, with one short at each side,
Amphibrachys hastes with a stately stride --
First and last being long, middle short, Amphimacer
Strikes his thundering hoofs like a proud high-bred Racer.
If Derwent be innocent, steady, and wise,
And delight in the things of earth, water, and skies;
Tender warmth at his heart, with these meters to show it,
WIth sound sense in his brains, may make Derwent a poet --
May crown him with fame, and must win him the love
Of his father on earth and his father above.
My dear, dear child!
Could you stand upon Skiddaw, you would not from its whole ridge
See a man who so loves you as your fond S.T. Colerige.
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
1st Dec 2018 12:02pm
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
Anonymous
30th Nov 2018 10:58pm
I get it now! Complicated...
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
30th Nov 2018 11:22pm
Thank you Ash for reading. The theory is simple enough - one line moving down a notch each stanza. But I agree the application of the theory can be taxing and complicated, trying to get the flow of the meaning to come across 'unforced'. Perhaps I'm just lucky and my brain is hard-wired for grappling with this kind of challenge. :))
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
1st Dec 2018 2:52am
Aha!... I finally see... the geometry...
the pictures in my head...
thank you so much... for
the delightful tutorial...
I shall add this fine poem to my Poem Memorial... hugs... Ely
the pictures in my head...
thank you so much... for
the delightful tutorial...
I shall add this fine poem to my Poem Memorial... hugs... Ely
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1st Dec 2018 2:14pm
I like my limericks bold
but I find that I must do it cold
if I don't fantasize
and get tripped up by lies
the silly old thing thing might take hold...
Ooh what fun... I'd forgotten... thanks for the promt, Josh...hugs, Ely
but I find that I must do it cold
if I don't fantasize
and get tripped up by lies
the silly old thing thing might take hold...
Ooh what fun... I'd forgotten... thanks for the promt, Josh...hugs, Ely
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Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
Anonymous
1st Dec 2018 8:31am
such a cool poem about poems, brilliant story telling, thanks
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
1st Dec 2018 12:07pm
Hi Doreen, and thank you for reading and commenting so favourably - and for the RL too. A belated welcome to DUP.
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
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14th Dec 2018 4:10pm
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
15th Dec 2018 2:41pm
Hi Sky_dancer, first off thank you for taking an interest.
I have to say I'm no expert on poetics; just thought I'd do a series introducing poetic forms, with those who find them 'scary' in mind.
For expert advice on quaterns, I'd ask 'The Queen of Quaterns', Jade-Pandora. From what I understand, Quaterns require the same syallable count per line (often 10 syallables, and iambic pentameter (ie: ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum, with stress on the 'tum' half).
8/6-8/6 of course won't work with quaterns as the repeating line moves down one line each verse (ie: if the first verse is 8/6-8/6, the next will be 6/8-6/8 - but no-one's saying you can't invent a new form :))
If you find your neural network insisting on 8/6-8/6 etc, this is a regular form for more 'lightweight' verse. Of course such a comment is following current 'fashion' and it can be used for story-telling verse (see my poem https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/268691-guru-oh-my-goshi/).
Am happy to hear from you again, but meanwhile I think I'll leave it at that, for now. Best of luck. Josh
I have to say I'm no expert on poetics; just thought I'd do a series introducing poetic forms, with those who find them 'scary' in mind.
For expert advice on quaterns, I'd ask 'The Queen of Quaterns', Jade-Pandora. From what I understand, Quaterns require the same syallable count per line (often 10 syallables, and iambic pentameter (ie: ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum ti-tum, with stress on the 'tum' half).
8/6-8/6 of course won't work with quaterns as the repeating line moves down one line each verse (ie: if the first verse is 8/6-8/6, the next will be 6/8-6/8 - but no-one's saying you can't invent a new form :))
If you find your neural network insisting on 8/6-8/6 etc, this is a regular form for more 'lightweight' verse. Of course such a comment is following current 'fashion' and it can be used for story-telling verse (see my poem https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/268691-guru-oh-my-goshi/).
Am happy to hear from you again, but meanwhile I think I'll leave it at that, for now. Best of luck. Josh
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15th Dec 2018 2:50pm
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
15th Dec 2018 4:14pm
Look forward to reading; take your time. Jade would tell you that getting the scansion regular and unforced is key to a good quatern.
Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
14th Dec 2018 9:05pm
Josh, I was hoping I’d have my comment ready before you left for the day. But when you return it’s waiting for you...
right here!:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/330421-at-last-thank-you-josh/
Jade🐾
right here!:
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/330421-at-last-thank-you-josh/
Jade🐾
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Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
15th Dec 2018 2:43pm
Thank you Jade for that, I'm honoured by the special write. I had no idea what I was starting ... :))
Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
15th Dec 2018 2:53pm
Neither did I when I dove in head- first to try my first Quatern, and haven’t stopped since!
Have you read the one I wrote specially in your honor? It’s done as a tongue-in-cheek satire... you may not even like it.😳
Have you read the one I wrote specially in your honor? It’s done as a tongue-in-cheek satire... you may not even like it.😳
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Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
14th Dec 2018 10:48pm
Re: Re. On Quaterns (a quatern)
15th Dec 2018 2:45pm
Thank you Hackerstacker - I'm no expert so don't take everything I write on forms as gospel - but I hope to get some basics right :))