AI content concerns and solutions
Daisy, thank you. This is the type of convo we wanted to have.
Daniel has made a point a few times between the threads:
So …. We have a plagiarism rule. I do believe plagiarism is still a civil crime.
Without citing the work as produced by someone else the users are stealing, and violating the policy we all agreed to follow when we signed up.
Every poem asks if this is our original work.
Even if you dig it, it’s against policy.
I think folks using it need to self identify, for starters. If nothing else it gives them a citation defense for plagiarism.
If you steal and pass it as your own…
It’s fucked
DaisyGrace said:
I'm not arguing with you. I'm actually not a fan of AI generated art of any kind. so keep that in mind when you read the rest of this comment.
When it comes to comments received from real people vs an AI user, i don't think i really care. If the AI comment offers up a piece of helpful advice, great. if it seems like a bunch of smoke blown up my ass, whatever. i don't think i care. i also don't care if they get a 'reviewer' award either. BUT that is just me. i may be in the minority. i'm really just here to think some things out loud since i actually have been thinking about AI generated art quite a bit recently. i get a few comments here and there from people that I have developed relationships with here and a few random ones here and there. i'm not picky about comments and reads and likes and reading list entries or what have you. i just pop in from time to time.
when it comes to winning contests, if the host/judge/people of the community like a poem written by AI, then they like it. it's what its. but if what has been said here in this thread is echoed throughout the rest of the community (you can tell a poem/comment) is written by AI because it feels off or too perfect) then I don't see the problem. if people can recognize it, they won't vote for it or chose it as the winner. this would greatly increase if people just judged their own contests instead of leaving it up for a public vote. (please don't leave your contests up for public vote. if you're going to host a contest, host the damn contest and do the job as the judge!)
again, I don't have a clue about any of the AI drama that has apparently taken place here. I'm genuinely curious. i'm of the opinion that humans will always create art. AI generated content will not replace human beings and their creative tendencies. artists use to think that cameras were replacing them and their art. painters that use actual pain worried that using computers and technology would cut into their craft. hell, the gregorian monks work PISSED when people actually started using music theory to help them write music instead of doing it the way they always had.
are we doing the same thing when we worry about AI generated art?
But we don’t know who the AI users are if they are stealing work and passing it off as their own.
Since it’s machine made, it often looks superior, and structurally might be superior, to human generated stuff.
PaleSkies said:If that is the case. Contest should be voted on by a panel. Does AI determine the winner?
Since it’s machine made, it often looks superior, and structurally might be superior, to human generated stuff.
PaleSkies said:If that is the case. Contest should be voted on by a panel. Does AI determine the winner?
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Betty said:
Daisy, thank you. This is the type of convo we wanted to have.
Daniel has made a point a few times between the threads:
So …. We have a plagiarism rule. I do believe plagiarism is still a civil crime.
Without citing the work as produced by someone else the users are stealing, and violating the policy we all agreed to follow when we signed up.
Every poem asks if this is our original work.
Even if you dig it, it’s against policy.
I think folks using it need to self identify, for starters. If nothing else it gives them a citation defense for plagiarism.
If you steal and pass it as your own…
It’s fucked
Okay, I could see how it would be considered 'not your own original work.' and I can see what you are talking about. BUT (and again, this is just me thinking out loud), some could look at it as a tool just like any other tool in the writer's toolbox. Don't you have to tell the bot what you want the poem to be about, what rhyme scheme to use, what meter, etc. i don't disclose when I use a randomly generated photo as a prompt, or when i use lists of randomly generated words to write poems, or if i have a friend go over my piece to help edit it. if i post a poem that someone has heavily edited for me, does that mean the poem is not mine? what if i use AI to generate the original poem, but then edit it to to make it do what I really want it to.
now...if someone is using AI to create pieces and they have multiple accounts that they are using to award themselves trophies, that should probably be stopped. plus, it's just sad. the precedent has been set by mods and the webmiss about users creating accounts to award themselves trophies. We have had that problem before. it's not been tolerated in the past, and it shouldn't be now. It should be a pretty simple fix if the powers that be can see the same IP address for the suspected users.
Daisy, thank you. This is the type of convo we wanted to have.
Daniel has made a point a few times between the threads:
So …. We have a plagiarism rule. I do believe plagiarism is still a civil crime.
Without citing the work as produced by someone else the users are stealing, and violating the policy we all agreed to follow when we signed up.
Every poem asks if this is our original work.
Even if you dig it, it’s against policy.
I think folks using it need to self identify, for starters. If nothing else it gives them a citation defense for plagiarism.
If you steal and pass it as your own…
It’s fucked
Okay, I could see how it would be considered 'not your own original work.' and I can see what you are talking about. BUT (and again, this is just me thinking out loud), some could look at it as a tool just like any other tool in the writer's toolbox. Don't you have to tell the bot what you want the poem to be about, what rhyme scheme to use, what meter, etc. i don't disclose when I use a randomly generated photo as a prompt, or when i use lists of randomly generated words to write poems, or if i have a friend go over my piece to help edit it. if i post a poem that someone has heavily edited for me, does that mean the poem is not mine? what if i use AI to generate the original poem, but then edit it to to make it do what I really want it to.
now...if someone is using AI to create pieces and they have multiple accounts that they are using to award themselves trophies, that should probably be stopped. plus, it's just sad. the precedent has been set by mods and the webmiss about users creating accounts to award themselves trophies. We have had that problem before. it's not been tolerated in the past, and it shouldn't be now. It should be a pretty simple fix if the powers that be can see the same IP address for the suspected users.
You make valid points, but there is a difference
Going back to AI art. A human can use a template, a camera, a pencil, but the vision begins and ends with the artist. Through revision; rework, reflection… the artists vision and his or her efforts to fine tune the work are at the forefront and they do the work. Even if they get help.
Using AI is giving someone else a template, asking them to fill it in. They do the work. They own the vision.
I can ask every person here to write me a Haiku about salmon. I could ask an AI to do the same
Humans will fuck up. Make me laugh. Use inside jokes… and work hard. AI will paint in the numbers and it will be perfect.
The humans who worked… can’t beat it in a fair fight.
DaisyGrace said:
Okay, I could see how it would be considered 'not your own original work.' and I can see what you are talking about. BUT (and again, this is just me thinking out loud), some could look at it as a tool just like any other tool in the writer's toolbox. Don't you have to tell the bot what you want the poem to be about, what rhyme scheme to use, what meter, etc. i don't disclose when I use a randomly generated photo as a prompt, or when i use lists of randomly generated words to write poems, or if i have a friend go over my piece to help edit it. if i post a poem that someone has heavily edited for me, does that mean the poem is not mine? what if i use AI to generate the original poem, but then edit it to to make it do what I really want it to.
now...if someone is using AI to create pieces and they have multiple accounts that they are using to award themselves trophies, that should probably be stopped. plus, it's just sad. the precedent has been set by mods and the webmiss about users creating accounts to award themselves trophies. We have had that problem before. it's not been tolerated in the past, and it shouldn't be now. It should be a pretty simple fix if the powers that be can see the same IP address for the suspected users.
PaleSkies said:Many have multiple accounts. I do. But lets not insinuate that mean someone is AI. Let's not go that route. There are many good people on DUP with multiples. Let's take a deep breath before names are tossed about.
Then, per the site rules, the people with multiple accounts should have their accounts disclosed in their profiles and forum signatures. https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/9739/
so, paleskies, if you have multiple accounts, i don't see them listed.
Then, per the site rules, the people with multiple accounts should have their accounts disclosed in their profiles and forum signatures. https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/9739/
so, paleskies, if you have multiple accounts, i don't see them listed.
Betty said:
You make valid points, but there is a difference
Going back to AI art. A human can use a template, a camera, a pencil, but the vision begins and ends with the artist. Through revision; rework, reflection… the artists vision and his or her efforts to fine tune the work are at the forefront and they do the work. Even if they get help.
Using AI is giving someone else a template, asking them to fill it in. They do the work. They own the vision.
I can ask every person here to write me a Haiku about salmon. I could ask an AI to do the same
Humans will fuck up. Make me laugh. Use inside jokes… and work hard. AI will paint in the numbers and it will be perfect.
The humans who worked… can’t beat it in a fair fight.
I can see this as well. Again, I'm not a fan of AI generated art in general, but it is something we are going to have to address. not just here, but in real life. i have many teacher friends who are worried about AI written essays and research papers.
You make valid points, but there is a difference
Going back to AI art. A human can use a template, a camera, a pencil, but the vision begins and ends with the artist. Through revision; rework, reflection… the artists vision and his or her efforts to fine tune the work are at the forefront and they do the work. Even if they get help.
Using AI is giving someone else a template, asking them to fill it in. They do the work. They own the vision.
I can ask every person here to write me a Haiku about salmon. I could ask an AI to do the same
Humans will fuck up. Make me laugh. Use inside jokes… and work hard. AI will paint in the numbers and it will be perfect.
The humans who worked… can’t beat it in a fair fight.
I can see this as well. Again, I'm not a fan of AI generated art in general, but it is something we are going to have to address. not just here, but in real life. i have many teacher friends who are worried about AI written essays and research papers.
DaisyGrace said:
Then, per the site rules, the people with multiple accounts should have their accounts disclosed in their profiles and forum signatures. https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/9739/
so, paleskies, if you have multiple accounts, i don't see them listed.
Fair point there Daisy
Man up fellow, declare your accounts as per site rules
Then, per the site rules, the people with multiple accounts should have their accounts disclosed in their profiles and forum signatures. https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/9739/
so, paleskies, if you have multiple accounts, i don't see them listed.
Fair point there Daisy
Man up fellow, declare your accounts as per site rules
