Corona Virus ( Covid-19 )
Commentonly said:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E9vIUtXa9ug
Highly recommended. Good preamble to help understand the viewpoints of the people, and their credentials, citing South Korea’s data as baseline as they are doing widespread testing the best, open to contrary ideas from each other.
Really great.
(Upper bound of mortality rate of 0.6, or 6 x seasonal flu discussed = 1 500 000 people dead in US with no controls in place and assuming 80% of population gets it. Does not account for “collateral” deaths)
Highly recommended. Good preamble to help understand the viewpoints of the people, and their credentials, citing South Korea’s data as baseline as they are doing widespread testing the best, open to contrary ideas from each other.
Really great.
(Upper bound of mortality rate of 0.6, or 6 x seasonal flu discussed = 1 500 000 people dead in US with no controls in place and assuming 80% of population gets it. Does not account for “collateral” deaths)
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hemihead said:
Highly recommended. Good preamble to help understand the viewpoints of the people, and their credentials, citing South Korea’s data as baseline as they are doing widespread testing the best, open to contrary ideas from each other.
Really great.
(Upper bound of mortality rate of 0.6, or 6 x seasonal flu discussed = 1 500 000 people dead in US with no controls in place and assuming 80% of population gets it. Does not account for “collateral” deaths)
And I do have a bit of a question in relation to his assertion of communicability I assumed it would be higher than the flu based solely on the a-symptomatic variations. And since it’s new the possibility of mutation is far higher than an older variant of viral infection but you can’t argue with his credentials since pandemics are his speciality.
Highly recommended. Good preamble to help understand the viewpoints of the people, and their credentials, citing South Korea’s data as baseline as they are doing widespread testing the best, open to contrary ideas from each other.
Really great.
(Upper bound of mortality rate of 0.6, or 6 x seasonal flu discussed = 1 500 000 people dead in US with no controls in place and assuming 80% of population gets it. Does not account for “collateral” deaths)
And I do have a bit of a question in relation to his assertion of communicability I assumed it would be higher than the flu based solely on the a-symptomatic variations. And since it’s new the possibility of mutation is far higher than an older variant of viral infection but you can’t argue with his credentials since pandemics are his speciality.
Commentonly said:
And I do have a bit of a question in relation to his assertion of communicability I assumed it would be higher than the flu based solely on the a-symptomatic variations. And since it’s new the possibility of mutation is far higher than an older variant of viral infection but you can’t argue with his credentials since pandemics are his speciality.
Haven’t got that far yet, but that does sound interesting. What made Ebola much less deadly overall, despite its much higher mortality rate, was that by the time you are infectious you are flat on your arse, not going on spring break.
Intuitively a disease that is infectious for a large period of time before you show signs of being ill would be much more contagious overall than the example above...but I stand to be schooled if there is another way of looking at it...
Stop reading, go find more of these juicy links you find!
And I do have a bit of a question in relation to his assertion of communicability I assumed it would be higher than the flu based solely on the a-symptomatic variations. And since it’s new the possibility of mutation is far higher than an older variant of viral infection but you can’t argue with his credentials since pandemics are his speciality.
Haven’t got that far yet, but that does sound interesting. What made Ebola much less deadly overall, despite its much higher mortality rate, was that by the time you are infectious you are flat on your arse, not going on spring break.
Intuitively a disease that is infectious for a large period of time before you show signs of being ill would be much more contagious overall than the example above...but I stand to be schooled if there is another way of looking at it...
Stop reading, go find more of these juicy links you find!
Anonymous
USNS Comfort arrives in NYC to help city’s coronavirus fight
The Comfort brings 1,000 much-needed hospital beds & 1,200 personnel to New York,” tweeted Cuomo, who noted that he would receive a briefing upon its arrival at Manhattan’s Pier 90.
A converted supertanker, the Comfort was also deployed to New York in the dark days after 9/11, and is equipped with 12 operating rooms and a full staff of doctors, nurses and medical specialists.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/usns-comfort-hospital-ship-arrives-in-nyc-to-help-coronavirus-fight/amp/
Cuomo: New York Still Has 'Too Many Places With Too Much Density'
Cuomo announced there are now 66,497 confirmed coronavirus cases in the state. There's now only one county in New York that doesn't have a COVID-19 case.
Over 9,500 are currently hospitalized and 2,352 are in ICU. 4,204 patients have been discharged. Cuomo confirmed 1,218 New Yorkers have now died from the virus.
https://hudsonvalleypost.com/cuomo-new-york-still-has-too-many-places-with-too-much-density/
Unbelievable.....What. The. Eff?
Crowds ignore social distancing rules to watch USNS Comfort
https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/crowds-ignore-social-distancing-rules-to-watch-usns-comfort/amp/
The Comfort brings 1,000 much-needed hospital beds & 1,200 personnel to New York,” tweeted Cuomo, who noted that he would receive a briefing upon its arrival at Manhattan’s Pier 90.
A converted supertanker, the Comfort was also deployed to New York in the dark days after 9/11, and is equipped with 12 operating rooms and a full staff of doctors, nurses and medical specialists.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/usns-comfort-hospital-ship-arrives-in-nyc-to-help-coronavirus-fight/amp/
Cuomo: New York Still Has 'Too Many Places With Too Much Density'
Cuomo announced there are now 66,497 confirmed coronavirus cases in the state. There's now only one county in New York that doesn't have a COVID-19 case.
Over 9,500 are currently hospitalized and 2,352 are in ICU. 4,204 patients have been discharged. Cuomo confirmed 1,218 New Yorkers have now died from the virus.
https://hudsonvalleypost.com/cuomo-new-york-still-has-too-many-places-with-too-much-density/
Unbelievable.....What. The. Eff?
Crowds ignore social distancing rules to watch USNS Comfort
https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/crowds-ignore-social-distancing-rules-to-watch-usns-comfort/amp/
You are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak so bad that a hospital ship arrives in port...so you gather in a crowd to watch it.
That right there is a Darwinian selection event.
(But it's really the result of long term underfunding of basic education in a country's population...which is Societal Darwinian selection. Short to medium term a low level of education in the working and middle classes might work for a ruling class, but I think longer term more educated societies vote better, care more about human rights, ask for more evidence-based policies, and are more productive workers....)
That right there is a Darwinian selection event.
(But it's really the result of long term underfunding of basic education in a country's population...which is Societal Darwinian selection. Short to medium term a low level of education in the working and middle classes might work for a ruling class, but I think longer term more educated societies vote better, care more about human rights, ask for more evidence-based policies, and are more productive workers....)
hemihead said:You are in the middle of an infectious disease outbreak so bad that a hospital ship arrives in port...so you gather in a crowd to watch it.
That right there is a Darwinian selection event.
(But it's really the result of long term underfunding of basic education in a country's population...which is Societal Darwinian selection. Short to medium term a low level of education in the working and middle classes might work for a ruling class, but I think longer term more educated societies vote better, care more about human rights, ask for more evidence-based policies, and are more productive workers....)
There is irony there in your statement for sure. We need also to be mindful of your neighbours Hemi, who partied on Bondi Beach for one last hurrah before lockdown.
That right there is a Darwinian selection event.
(But it's really the result of long term underfunding of basic education in a country's population...which is Societal Darwinian selection. Short to medium term a low level of education in the working and middle classes might work for a ruling class, but I think longer term more educated societies vote better, care more about human rights, ask for more evidence-based policies, and are more productive workers....)
There is irony there in your statement for sure. We need also to be mindful of your neighbours Hemi, who partied on Bondi Beach for one last hurrah before lockdown.
Anonymous
Billy_Snagg said:
There is irony there in your statement for sure. We need also to be mindful of your neighbours Hemi, who partied on Bondi Beach for one last hurrah before lockdown.
I don’t know what to say about that one except they learnt their lesson by now having the highest rates of infection in the country
There is irony there in your statement for sure. We need also to be mindful of your neighbours Hemi, who partied on Bondi Beach for one last hurrah before lockdown.
I don’t know what to say about that one except they learnt their lesson by now having the highest rates of infection in the country
Commentonly said:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E9vIUtXa9ug
That was really enlightening. I can't help but think, however, how different the interview would be today, almost three weeks later. I would be curious to know how much his knowledge has evolved.
For example, he says that the primary means of spread is droplets within 6 ft, i.e. - there in only some component of airborne transmission while a respirator is being changed out at a hospital, etc. However, some of the latest articles I've read are saying they've discovered it's viable in aerosols for over two hours.
MARCH 25, 2020 -- The novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, remains viable in aerosols for hours and on surfaces for days, according to a new study.
[ . . . ]
To investigate how long SARS-CoV-2 remains infective in the environment, Neeltje van Doremalen, PhD, of the Laboratory of Virology, Division of Intramural Research, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in Hamilton, Montana, and colleagues conducted simulation experiments in which they compared the viability of SARS-CoV-2 with that of SARS-CoV-1 in aerosols and on surfaces.
Among patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, viral loads in the upper respiratory tract are high; as a consequence, respiratory secretion in the form of aerosols (<5 µm) or droplets (>5 µm) is likely, the authors note.
van Doremalen and colleagues used nebulizers to generate aerosols. Samples of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 were collecting at 0, 30, 60, 120, and 180 minutes on a gelatin filter. The researchers then tested the infectivity of the viruses on Vero cells grown in culture.
They found that SARS-CoV-2 was largely stable through the full 180-minute test, with only a slight decline at 3 hours. This time course is similar to that of SARS-CoV-1; both viruses have a median half-life in aerosols of 2.7 hours (range, 1.65 hr for SARS-CoV-1, vs 7.24 hr for SARS-CoV-2).
[ . . . ]
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229248
That was really enlightening. I can't help but think, however, how different the interview would be today, almost three weeks later. I would be curious to know how much his knowledge has evolved.
For example, he says that the primary means of spread is droplets within 6 ft, i.e. - there in only some component of airborne transmission while a respirator is being changed out at a hospital, etc. However, some of the latest articles I've read are saying they've discovered it's viable in aerosols for over two hours.
MARCH 25, 2020 -- The novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, remains viable in aerosols for hours and on surfaces for days, according to a new study.
[ . . . ]
To investigate how long SARS-CoV-2 remains infective in the environment, Neeltje van Doremalen, PhD, of the Laboratory of Virology, Division of Intramural Research, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in Hamilton, Montana, and colleagues conducted simulation experiments in which they compared the viability of SARS-CoV-2 with that of SARS-CoV-1 in aerosols and on surfaces.
Among patients infected with SARS-CoV-2, viral loads in the upper respiratory tract are high; as a consequence, respiratory secretion in the form of aerosols (<5 µm) or droplets (>5 µm) is likely, the authors note.
van Doremalen and colleagues used nebulizers to generate aerosols. Samples of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 were collecting at 0, 30, 60, 120, and 180 minutes on a gelatin filter. The researchers then tested the infectivity of the viruses on Vero cells grown in culture.
They found that SARS-CoV-2 was largely stable through the full 180-minute test, with only a slight decline at 3 hours. This time course is similar to that of SARS-CoV-1; both viruses have a median half-life in aerosols of 2.7 hours (range, 1.65 hr for SARS-CoV-1, vs 7.24 hr for SARS-CoV-2).
[ . . . ]
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229248
Echoeing the facepalm disbelief on crowds gathered from above posts.
I had to draw the line today when i saw a mother shopping for bras with her baby in a carrier. She had 15 bras and was told she couldn't try them cause for safety reasons the fitting rooms were closed. She was annoyed and continued to try on her clothes, when told she can purchase and return if she didn't like it, she replied in discontent that she's a nurse and doesn't have the time to shop and she just had a baby.
Talk about a facepalm moment.. A NURSE who knows better about this virus than the public and yet she had her newborn with her shopping for bras, mind you they were regular bras and not nursing bras.
i drew the line and went to HR and put in my 2weeks off. This is going to get far worse cause of the idiotic people that are not taking this seriously. Then i heard that the governement is thinking of extending this 'stay at home' order to July cause the public is not staying home.
WTF as if they will stay home!!
I had to draw the line today when i saw a mother shopping for bras with her baby in a carrier. She had 15 bras and was told she couldn't try them cause for safety reasons the fitting rooms were closed. She was annoyed and continued to try on her clothes, when told she can purchase and return if she didn't like it, she replied in discontent that she's a nurse and doesn't have the time to shop and she just had a baby.
Talk about a facepalm moment.. A NURSE who knows better about this virus than the public and yet she had her newborn with her shopping for bras, mind you they were regular bras and not nursing bras.
i drew the line and went to HR and put in my 2weeks off. This is going to get far worse cause of the idiotic people that are not taking this seriously. Then i heard that the governement is thinking of extending this 'stay at home' order to July cause the public is not staying home.
WTF as if they will stay home!!
Person I'm staying with is showing signs of symptoms. I'm fucked (not proper fucked) , so far so good though in terms of symptoms
Had to go out today, just up to the supermarket for supplies. I got stopped by a police. I told him not to come near me because he'd no mask on, how sm I supposed to know where his face had been.
we argued, he won in that two more police arrived. they'd no masks either ...I lost any calmness I had
I was ordered home under a public order act. ..I went to the supermarket, then went home
I don't mind being policed. the three I encountered practiced no social distance nor did they have any protection for them selves or the people they encounter
I really didn't appreciate the danger they put me in.
I empathize your concern Mister lepp that the police failed to follow the social distancing recommendations but honestly i wish US police were as tough and diligent. I've yet to see a cop stop someone during this whole ordeal. And here in america we will face the fastest growing numbers these coming weeks cause the idiot government was and is hestitant to enforce social distancing in every aspect of the term.
lepperochan said:Person I'm staying with is showing signs of symptoms. I'm fucked (not proper fucked) , so far so good though in terms of symptoms
Had to go out today, just up to the supermarket for supplies. I got stopped by a police. I told him not to come near me because he'd no mask on, how sm I supposed to know where his face had been. we argued, he won in that two more police arrived. they'd unmask either ...I lost any calmness I had
I was ordered home under a public order act. ..I went to the supermarket, then went home
I don't mind being policed. the three I encountered practiced no social distance nor did they have any protection for them selves or the people they encounter
I really didn't appreciate the danger they put me in.
lepperochan said:Person I'm staying with is showing signs of symptoms. I'm fucked (not proper fucked) , so far so good though in terms of symptoms
Had to go out today, just up to the supermarket for supplies. I got stopped by a police. I told him not to come near me because he'd no mask on, how sm I supposed to know where his face had been. we argued, he won in that two more police arrived. they'd unmask either ...I lost any calmness I had
I was ordered home under a public order act. ..I went to the supermarket, then went home
I don't mind being policed. the three I encountered practiced no social distance nor did they have any protection for them selves or the people they encounter
I really didn't appreciate the danger they put me in.
lepperochan said:Person I'm staying with is showing signs of symptoms. I'm fucked (not proper fucked) , so far so good though in terms of symptoms
Had to go out today, just up to the supermarket for supplies. I got stopped by a police. I told him not to come near me because he'd no mask on, how sm I supposed to know where his face had been. we argued, he won in that two more police arrived. they'd unmask either ...I lost any calmness I had
I was ordered home under a public order act. ..I went to the supermarket, then went home
I don't mind being policed. the three I encountered practiced no social distance nor did they have any protection for them selves or the people they encounter
I really didn't appreciate the danger they put me in.
That is piss poor policing!
(If you are showing symptoms have a plan for respiratory distress. Strongly suggest you stop smoking to guard respiratory capacity. I have not received any application submitted by you to the DU Get sick and die department. In light of this, permission to get sick and die is denied. Failure to comply will result in heavy fines)
Had to go out today, just up to the supermarket for supplies. I got stopped by a police. I told him not to come near me because he'd no mask on, how sm I supposed to know where his face had been. we argued, he won in that two more police arrived. they'd unmask either ...I lost any calmness I had
I was ordered home under a public order act. ..I went to the supermarket, then went home
I don't mind being policed. the three I encountered practiced no social distance nor did they have any protection for them selves or the people they encounter
I really didn't appreciate the danger they put me in.
That is piss poor policing!
(If you are showing symptoms have a plan for respiratory distress. Strongly suggest you stop smoking to guard respiratory capacity. I have not received any application submitted by you to the DU Get sick and die department. In light of this, permission to get sick and die is denied. Failure to comply will result in heavy fines)
