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JohnnyBlaze said:For the people who have trouble distinguishing ( a trait also common among people who stereotype ):

1] #BlackLivesMatter is a hashtag show of support anyone can freely post online.


Who’s on this thread having trouble distinguishing?



2] Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc

Yes, some people do want reparations.

But if you have to Google to find out who they are, they are not the current atmosphere.


🤣

Let’s see how that works moving forward...

And...

Let me know where you go to know what’s real “atmosphere “

EdibleWords said:

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How do you guys like the sound of all the gangs being let out of prison and all the cops “fully defunded?”

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Our Voice Is A Vacuum

The restless nightmares
On this ship of fools
Sailing aimlessly on the ocean
Of bigotry and ignorance  
 
Don’t want to be here  
Faceless culprits  
Promoting hatred of difference  
To a disgusting degree  
 
Trapped within the label given  
Chained to the name  
Of the doctor who helped classify us
For nazi extermination
 
Stand back look past the ribbon  
The colourful fluttering distracts  
Conform misfits or be cast out  
This is the only acceptance
 
Our voice is a vacuum  
Held under pressure  
No mercy for faltering  
Amongst perfection  
 
 
 
 
Written by AspergerPoet56
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Very relevant in a thread about being heard.💎

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Returning stolen land
Violence against Native Americans in California took place much more recently than in older American states on the east coast. In 1850, the state passed a law to remove Native Americans from their lands, separate children from their families, strip people of their cultures and languages, and create a system of indentured servitude, Newsom said.

The only compensation for land is land
In the following decade, California’s leaders organized and funded militia campaigns against indigenous people, creating what one historian recently called a “state-sponsored killing machine”.

Today, there are more than 100 federally recognized tribes in California – and many more that are unrecognized. More than 700,000 Native people live in the state. Restoring indigenous land rights would be one of the most direct and meaningful ways to right these wrongs, Native leaders said.

“This is all stolen land … We are landless Indians in our own territory,” said Corrina Gould, a spokesperson for the Confederated Villages of Lisjan/Ohlone, a tribe that originated in the region that is now the San Francisco Bay Area and is not federally recognized.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/20/california-native-americans-governor-apology-reparations

Why shouldn’t the USA lands belong in the First People Tribal trusts? They believed in stewardship, sharing, and brotherhood. I don’t believe they would use their position to abuse fellow children of the land. I believe they would manage it better and make sure we had needful resources.

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Thanks for your encouraging feedback, Ahavati.  I do write what I feel and I do feel that racial conflict is born of a lack of wisdom.  I will say more about this particular slant in a prospective follow-up post.

I would like to know the particulars as to why certain allies in europe, Asia, and Australia pushed back against the African groups original demand.

I wish I could answer this one, but I can't.  Nevertheless, at the heart of oppression is greed -- greed for power and greed for possessions.  Human beings, in lacking wisdom,  render all of life as an economic equation in which they will stop at nothing to amass the world.  The Bible clearly states, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?  Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Mark 8:36, 37)

Do you have any advice for white people outside of your contribution above?  Can you share how racism has impacted your life, and how we, as white people, can avoid such offensive ignorance?

Hardly do I have "advice for white people":  I believe, however, that there is generational hope for change, based on the responses of the millennials of the world.  Look at who is leading the protests in the streets, following the strangulation of George Floyd!  These young (white) people have not yet lost their built-in sense of mercy and justice (the Law written in their hearts, which I referenced in my earlier post).  They have no reason to make their foreparents' enemies their own, and cannot understand why the world cannot be as simple as it seems.

I live in a "safe" place, Jamaica, where racial prejudice is not overtly an issue.  But I have had at least two incidences while visiting the USA, in which I could see the ugly head bristling itself.  I have put those behind me and do not wish to discuss them.  I will address the "how we, as white people, can avoid such offensive ignorance" bit in my anticipated post on wisdom.

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Synthesis and Re-Solution:  I Am My Brother’s Keeper!
[Continuation]

If We Must Die
by Claude McKay

If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!



"If We Must Die" is a poem by Jamaican poet laureate Claude McKay (1890-1948) that was first published in the July 1919 issue of The Liberator.

McKay wrote the poem as a response to mob attacks by white Americans upon African-American communities during Red Summer.  The poem was reprinted in The Messenger and the Workers' Dreadnought (London) later that year.

Listen to Claude McKay’s life sketch and an audio of his poem here:
https://youtu.be/KaGTw8xRkyQ

"Am I not a man and a brother" emblem used by abolitionists [see pic]

Historically, in countries such as the United States and South Africa , the term " boy " was used as a pejorative racist insult towards men of color and slaves , indicating their subservient social status of being less than men.

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cabcool said:Synthesis and Re-Solution:  I Am My Brother’s Keeper!
[Continuation]

If We Must Die
by Claude McKay

If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!



"If We Must Die" is a poem by Jamaican poet laureate Claude McKay (1890-1948) that was first published in the July 1919 issue of The Liberator.

McKay wrote the poem as a response to mob attacks by white Americans upon African-American communities during Red Summer.  The poem was reprinted in The Messenger and the Workers' Dreadnought (London) later that year.

Listen to Claude McKay’s life sketch and an audio of his poem here:
https://youtu.be/KaGTw8xRkyQ

"Am I not a man and a brother" emblem used by abolitionists [see pic]

Historically, in countries such as the United States and South Africa , the term " boy " was used as a pejorative racist insult towards men of color and slaves , indicating their subservient social status of being less than men.


Damn!

Thank you for this education, Cabby.

That McKay poem flows with some mighty fine verse.

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Firstly, thank you for bringing this discussion back around  to this important topic, Cabcool.

cabcool said:Thanks for your encouraging feedback, Ahavati.  I do write what I feel and I do feel that racial conflict is born of a lack of wisdom.  I will say more about this particular slant in a prospective follow-up post.

Hardly do I have "advice for white people":  I believe, however, that there is generational hope for change, based on the responses of the millennials of the world.  Look at who is leading the protests in the streets, following the strangulation of George Floyd!  These young (white) people have not yet lost their built-in sense of mercy and justice (the Law written in their hearts, which I referenced in my earlier post).  They have no reason to make their foreparents' enemies their own, and cannot understand why the world cannot be as simple as it seems.


Thanks for a great answer. One of the things I have learned in regards to race-relations is to be direct. Sometimes the conversation can be uncomfortable, particularly for white people, because we are afraid we'll say the wrong thing (  I've heard that at least one hundred times in the last month, i.e. - I am afraid I'll say the wrong thing and make it worse. )  

Ergo, what advice do you have for us white people in regards to discussing the topic of racism ( which I probably should've added previously ), without being afraid to discuss it at all. I know many white people who want to pull their head out of the sand and support this movement; they admittedly don't know how.

I live in a "safe" place, Jamaica, where racial prejudice is not overtly an issue.  But I have had at least two incidences while visiting the USA, in which I could see the ugly head bristling itself.  I have put those behind me and do not wish to discuss them.  I will address the "how we, as white people, can avoid such offensive ignorance" bit in my anticipated post on wisdom.

I just watched a terrific Ted Talk, Let's get to the root of racial injustice, featuring Megan Ming Francis. She is a black college professor who teaches constitutional law and civil rights. She shares her personal experience as well as that of her younger brother's in regards to racial tensions here in the US.  

I feel she's right in that it will take more than just education  to break through this stronghold.

https://youtu.be/-aCn72iXO9s

I look forward to your wisdom post and participation.

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cabcool said:Synthesis and Re-Solution:  I Am My Brother’s Keeper!
[Continuation]

If We Must Die
by Claude McKay

If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!



"If We Must Die" is a poem by Jamaican poet laureate Claude McKay (1890-1948) that was first published in the July 1919 issue of The Liberator.

McKay wrote the poem as a response to mob attacks by white Americans upon African-American communities during Red Summer.  The poem was reprinted in The Messenger and the Workers' Dreadnought (London) later that year.

Listen to Claude McKay’s life sketch and an audio of his poem here:
https://youtu.be/KaGTw8xRkyQ

"Am I not a man and a brother" emblem used by abolitionists [see pic]

Historically, in countries such as the United States and South Africa , the term " boy " was used as a pejorative racist insult towards men of color and slaves , indicating their subservient social status of being less than men.


Wonderful share, Cabcool. It's a very powerful poem. I just studied Red Summer over the weekend and posted a link here yesterday, I believe. There are so many things that have happened that I was completely ignorant about, such as Black Wall Street and Rosewood. Because history belongs to those in control of the dialogue.  

I did know about "boy" from the deep south.
What you looking at, 'boy'? was a term I heard often.

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drone said:What we would LOVE to see are more of our minority members in the new thread.  This includes all members who are not considered white. We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. We understand that even with close friends it's difficult to call racism out because it's easier for you to just swallow the indignity of it rather than cause a potential wall of denial, et al.
THESE WORDS AMAZE ME
OR IS IT BECAUSE
YOUR LIVING ON
ANOTHER PLANET
We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. Lets start with historically shall we
yes in the history that you preach African people sold African men woman and children to white and non white slave traders nasty but true  that would be  historically if you believe that these slave traders were running around Africa catching thousands of Africans what can I say The Slavery Abolition Act, (1833), THE first TIME in History, act of Parliament that Permanently  abolished slavery  freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans  
Slavery in Great Britain existed and was recognised from before the Roman occupation until the 12th century, when chattel slavery disappeared, at least for a time, after the Norman Conquest. Former slaves of all races merged into the larger body of serfs in Britain and no longer were recognized separately in law or custom.SLAVERY has been around for a long long time unpaid slavery that is
Now days we have low paid SLAVERY you are mixing slavery with racism SLAVERY IS NOT RACIST if the american indians were not so untrainable as slaves
there would have been very few african slaves
and they are still paying the price
to this day
the racists within the white majority is small
there are those who believe anyone not white
anyone with a different culture should be slaves
these sad bitter group hug  need someone to blame
anyone black brown chinese asian arabs because
that is how they have been trained to believe
by ignorant bitter with their lot in life
mummy's and daddy's
you infer hypothesize
as in the day of old
that it is the same today
We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. your words
i find sad
because the majority of white people
now day and age have no problem
to discuss the reasons for the pain
its called greed stupidity ignorance
our true history be you brown black whatever
color you are
has been hidden
never told in our schools
forbidden history
not allowed to be told
are the very very rich
who got rich by useing human beings
as slaves are they white
the answer
is undeniable
yes they are
has anyone black or white
demanded that they bend the knee
lovely sound
Silence
I wonder why

Does that mean
most white people are racists
because the very very rich
are white
the rich don't care
what color you be
you be slaves
and yet there are people burning
and looting because of the color
the owners skin
or simply want what they see
burning down their own community
how do we stop this we have to stop this
if we realy want
to make a change
not for you or me
i couldn't give a shit about us
and i don't give a shit about
the poor me color of your skin
the only thing i give a shit about
is the children
Obviously YOU DON'T
because IF YOU DID
you would understand those words
I HAD A DREAM
AND MAKE IT REAL
THIS IS
THE ONLY WAY
the path we now walk
leads to the abyss
so you have to ask your self
the QUESTION
DO YOU realy care
for the children
or just your
poor me group herd mentality

I'LL get off my soap box now
and if i've offended anyone
i would  suggest you pretend
you didn't read this
and stay in your cage
like a hamster on a wheel
in your belief
that you care
for a better way of life
a better way of living
for the kids

Divide and Conquer
BY ANY MEANS
LET THE SLAVES
PROTEST
so long as they keep paying our taxes
we don't care
but just to keep them happy
we will do the
seen to be done

we are given
fools gold
and like moths
to the flame
we fly
















Drone,
You speak in a powerful tone,  the way you write is aggressive.
That shows talent as a writer, being able to grab the reader and invite them into your passion.

This post feels more confrontational than expressive .
It has a different flavor, the color shines differently
It's actually unbecoming of you  IMO
I enjoy reading your work I like how you can get down to the core of the subject with your poetic opinion without being rigid
There is  a window for the reader to peer out of to recognize their own opinion and compare it while still following your words
Your style is objectionable, flattering, opionionated, casual, frank, and interesting
I'm just saying maybe the posts on here rubbed you the wrong way

We all know what slavery was ,is and it's history.
We don't deny that,  and if you have a different view as to the ingredients and the order in which they were added that's ok too

It is not my intention to corral you into a box to make you  believe what has been written in regards to the  dialogue between whites and non- whites.

You may be able to randomly speak to any person of any color on the subject of racism , without offending, or marking the conversation in some way that would   be a great skill to have.
It would be good to open the conversation,  using this thread to create dialogue between people of every color would be ideal
So many doors could be opened
It is sad that we have to question or talk to each other about what color we are but that is what we are living today
Did you know that Roosevelt's  statue will be the next to come down
Shocking isn't it how so many Americans carry racists ideas
We need to find a balance and dialogue between all colors and talking specifically about what role we play in each other's life is important right now

Add up all the good things I've done or said in my life,  then erect a statue in my town square. Isn't that fine what a little vely image. Shouldn't there also be a inventory done of the truly awful things I have done or said ?
Being able to filter out our racist beliefs and confronting them honestly is the only way we as a nation will be able to change

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Val, if you believe THIS warranted his response then call me out. It's what he quoted before replying:

What we would LOVE to see are more of our minority members in the new thread.  This includes all members who are not considered white. We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. We understand that even with close friends it's difficult to call racism out because it's easier for you to just swallow the indignity of it rather than cause a potential wall of denial, et al.

Please, just know that there are those here willing to listen and protect your right to express yourself honestly.


I made the statement after talking to some of our black members in regards to their hesitance to join the first thread.

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Ahavati said:Val, if you believe THIS warranted his response then call me out. It's what he quoted before replying:



I made the statement after talking to some of our black members in regards to their hesitance to join the first thread.


No response needed
I went a different direction,  same idea with my response to him ( yes  Drone you are the third party here)
I don't know why, he was affected the way he was.
I don't understand his reaction
That's why I feel it is so important to create dialogue

People get offended when the word racism, racist ,anything about race is mentioned.
We will not grow as a nation until these things are filtered out
You have been  supportive of the entire issue on both sides.
You have brought attention,  to the issues whites have hidden beneath the surface.
The reasons why we  think the way  we do
You have been neutral when you've needed to be and brought along the facts to speak for you.
I admire the way you have been able to stay on track
It appears the only side you have chosen is change

The racial problems are evident, and they are festering, you have been an asset in this fight for change.

I felt your silence at the time was a sound decision
I do hope he would come back to discuss the nation and it's struggles
Not what, and when,  about slavery

I want to hear from people of  every color on questions such as
Do you laugh at racist jokes?
Do you follow the belief  that Mexicans are lazy?
If you see a Muslim in an elevator how does it make you feel?
When you see an unkept white child with an unkept black child which color do you judge which color do you make excuses for ?
These simple , seemingly stupid questions we need to ask ourselves
In  order to filter out our racist tendencies
So we can begin to heal
Most think they are not racist
Answer a few blind random questions
they will see how messed up this country is

Ahavati
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Valeriyabeyond said:

No response needed
I went a different direction,  same idea with my response to him ( yes  Drone you are the third party here)
I don't know why, he was affected the way he was.
I don't understand his reaction
That's why I feel it is so important to create dialogue

People get offended when the word racism, racist ,anything about race is mentioned.
We will not grow as a nation until these things are filtered out
You have been  supportive of the entire issue on both sides.
You have brought attention,  to the issues whites have hidden beneath the surface.
The reasons why we  think the way  we do
You have been neutral when you've needed to be and brought along the facts to speak for you.
I admire the way you have been able to stay on track
It appears the only side you have chosen is change

The racial problems are evident, and they are festering, you have been an asset in this fight for change.

I felt your silence at the time was a sound decision
I do hope he would come back to discuss the nation and it's struggles
Not what, and when,  about slavery

I want to hear from people of  every color on questions such as
Do you laugh at racist jokes?
Do you follow the belief  that Mexicans are lazy?
If you see a Muslim in an elevator how does it make you feel?
When you see an unkept white child with an unkept black child which color do you judge which color do you make excuses for ?
These simple , seemingly stupid questions we need to ask ourselves
In  order to filter out our racist tendencies
So we can begin to heal
Most think they are not racist
Answer a few blind random questions
they will see how messed up this country is


Thank you, Val. Much appreciated.

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I swanee newspapers try to muster the most dramatic article titles. The sad part is. . .many don't read past them, and will now believe democrats don't want police reform, when in actuality, we aren't going to accept a slap on the hand or anything less than the true reform that's needed.

Senate Democrats block GOP policing bill, stalling efforts to change law enforcement practices

[ . . . ]

“The Republican majority proposed the legislative equivalent of a fig leaf — something that provides a little cover but no real change,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in a floor speech Wednesday morning. “The harsh fact of the matter is, the bill is so deeply, fundamentally and irrevocably flawed, it cannot serve as a useful starting point for meaningful reform.”

[ . . . ]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-democrats-block-gop-policing-bill-stalling-efforts-to-change-law-enforcement-practices/ar-BB15VeOK?ocid=msedgdhp

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^ Jounalism has gotten seriously lazy with the shift to online.

Great articles use to mean active subscriptions to paper newspapers.

Now everything is clickbait driven. Ugggh.

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JohnnyBlaze said:

Damn!

Thank you for this education, Cabby.

That McKay poem flows with some mighty fine verse.


McKay is my best-loved Jamaican poet, JB.  His most melancholy and tearful poem is "I Shall Return," in which he brooded over his beloved country, to which he wanted to return; but, caught up in the Harlem Renaissance, he never did.  His daughter wrote the sequel to this poem, indicating that he never returned.

During the Harlem Renaissance, McKay gave voice to black immigrants, influencing later poets (Langston Hughes, for example). His work set the tone for black poets to discuss in their poems the living conditions and racism that they faced.

I will post another of his poems, America, in my next feed.

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