Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II

Interesting read. . .

Coronavirus: Industrial animal farming has caused most new infectious diseases and risks more pandemics, experts warn

Industrial animal farming has caused most new infectious diseases in humans in the past decade – and risks starting new pandemics as animal markets have done, experts are warning.

Experts from both the UN and the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) have pinpointed animals or food of animal origin as a starting point for emerging diseases, such as Covid-19, which has killed more than 270,000 people worldwide.

And a separate report has cautioned that replacing Asia’s open-air slaughter markets with factory farming for meat would create similarly dangerous conditions for highly virulent flu strains to breed.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/coronavirus-meat-animal-farming-pandemic-disease-wet-markets-a9505626.html

Italian MP speaks the truth about covid19
https://youtu.be/Vn3EE7EMfXc

Carpe_Noctem said:Italian MP speaks the truth about covid19
https://youtu.be/Vn3EE7EMfXc

I gotta give it to you, carpe, you're giving that hamster wheel a good go. No one can regulate your feelings or emotions.  That's up to you, along with how you choose to react to this situation.

I have debunked virtually every link you've posted and you have not opened your mind once to the possibility that this isn't some world scheme to instill a one-world government.  People have lost their mothers/fathers/sisters/brothers/sons/daughters and so forth, and I have failed to see one ounce of compassion in regards to that very real human suffering and loss from you.  You're more focused on what COULD happen no matter what happens.

You wanted opened up and countries are opening up.  But that's not good enough, because it's another plot to control us.  And so forth, and so on.

My earnest wish and prayer for you, carpe, is that you find peace regarding this matter, and belief that it will pass, and hopefully we'll be left better for it.  I am not being facetious when I say that. I mean it with all my heart. I cannot imagine what it must be like to live with such fear and paranoia. I don't like government either. I haven't agreed with all they've done; however, you can't please everyone.

There's an ocean of opinion out there, and we as individuals can't please everyone, much less a body governing millions or billions.  The panic that has ensued from certain mindsets, the threats to government officials for doing what they feel best, the dire decisions between business and life is not a decision I envy, nor am sure they took lightly.

These are drastic times which called for drastic measures. And while some entities ( be they people or corporations ) may be trying to capitalize on this situation, it's not a plot by government overlords to rule the world.  It was a plan of action to save as many in the world as they felt they could.

Will we heed the warning signs and be ready next time? We're foolish if we don't, as many organisms are being released during global warming, we're idiots to think this won't happen again.

We're opening back up. NC is in stage one and goes to stage two next week. Slovenia is the first european country to end it's epidemic.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-slovenia-becomes-1st-european-country-to-call-an-end-to-covid-19-epidemic-2229396

Can we not just celebrate and be grateful that we survived this? Thousands didn't, and I am certain their families would give anything if they had.  

Based on tests conducted between 27 April and 10 May 2020, we estimate 148,000 people in England had COVID-19
Our latest estimates indicate that at any given time during the two weeks from 27 April to 10 May 2020, an average of 148,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% confidence interval: 94,000 to 222,000). This equates to 0.27% (95% confidence interval: 0.17% to 0.41%) of the population in England. This estimate is based on tests performed on 10,705 people in 5,276 households.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/england14may2020

For those numbers with a death rate roughly the same as a seasonal flu we locked down,

Suicides
Homicides
Futures deaths from medical procedures being put off. I know several on here that are experiencing this.
Health issues from loss of jobs or business.
Millions upon millions now reliante on government hand outs, some that have not even conceived of this.

Collapse of the economy, the supply chain broken.
The ramifications of this will be seen for decades.

If this virus was legit they wouldn't have had to fudge the numbers, even the media admit the numbers are fudged.
Of and with are two very different things.

Why has the media not had any Drs and professionals that have been speaking up and questioning the narrative.
Social media banning and censoring anyone remotely speaking out against this.

The police and their heavy handed
enforcement of social distancing, an oxymoron by the way. The police don't even observe the social distancing guidelines.

Anyone with any wisdom about them are seeing how ridiculous and hypocritical this is.

The media aren't promoting good health advice and ways to boost one's immune system. All they are peddling is fear and death.

Layla said:I'll be visiting there in about a month.

Yay! I hope they BOOM financially! They’re leading America! Wish I could meet you there. 🙂

Carpe_Noctem said:

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The media aren't promoting good health advice and ways to boost one's immune system. All they are peddling is fear and death.


The only person I see demonstrating and peddling fear is you ( and a few others in this thread ), carpe.  

Of course the numbers are fudged, and they will be for a long time because NO ONE KNOWS how many who were diagnosed with seasonal flu actually had covid-19 ( but they're beginning to find out ). Those with underlying conditions who died after contracting covid-19 could've lived YEARS more had they not. The difference between covid-19 and the seasonal flu and why the lockdown was necessary is yet ANOTHER dead horse discussed ad nauseum until beaten long after DEATH, so I'm not going there ( again ) with you.

You're blaming nature. You don't realize that but you are. What you aren't doing is asking why we weren't prepared for something like this? Once it's happened it's bound to happen again ( Spanish flu, Ebola, anyone? ).  The questions we should be asking is WHY were we not prepared?  We were warned. In reference to the U.S., WHY did Trump gut Obama's work and preparation for a potential pandemic?  

https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/

That is where we, as Americans need to focus: preparation. This will happen again because nature. There is nothing we can do to stop it, but believe me there is everything we can do to prepare for it.

You have your own government to question in regards to preparation.

This is interesting:

Black light experiment shows how quickly a virus like Covid-19 can spread at a restaurant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/health/japan-black-light-experiment-coronavirus-trnd-wellness/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3kugs26FAL87sminlYbmF2hJltUOU7hVlzxoRBoFhpTSYdm460T8-Pfdo

Stay safe out there, peeps. This isn't over. . .

Ahavati said:

The only person I see demonstrating and peddling fear is you ( and a few others in this thread ), carpe.  

Of course the numbers are fudged, and they will be for a long time because NO ONE KNOWS how many who were diagnosed with seasonal flu actually had covid-19 ( but they're beginning to find out ). Those with underlying conditions who died after contracting covid-19 could've lived YEARS more had they not. The difference between covid-19 and the seasonal flu and why the lockdown was necessary is yet ANOTHER dead horse discussed ad nauseum until beaten long after DEATH, so I'm not going there ( again ) with you.

You're blaming nature. You don't realize that but you are. What you aren't doing is asking why we weren't prepared for something like this? Once it's happened it's bound to happen again ( Spanish flu, Ebola, anyone? ).  The questions we should be asking is WHY were we not prepared?  We were warned. In reference to the U.S., WHY did Trump gut Obama's work and preparation for a potential pandemic?  

https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/

That is where we, as Americans need to focus: preparation. This will happen again because nature. There is nothing we can do to stop it, but believe me there is everything we can do to prepare for it.

You have your own government to question in regards to preparation.

So right on the money it ain't funny.

Be grateful it isn't worse because of people making an effort to social distance and not spread it.

The next one could be even more devastating than this ( as well devastating in regards to slow response in dealing with it like the U.S. demonstrated ).

Ahavati said:

The only person I see demonstrating and peddling fear is you ( and a few others in this thread ), carpe.  

What about people afraid of the virus? I have to say... this situation has actually numbed me to fear ...more.

Of course the numbers are fudged, and they will be for a long time because NO ONE KNOWS how many who were diagnosed with seasonal flu actually had covid-19 ( but they're beginning to find out ). Those with underlying conditions who died after contracting covid-19 could've lived YEARS more had they not. The difference between covid-19 and the seasonal flu and why the lockdown was necessary is yet ANOTHER dead horse discussed ad nauseum until beaten long after DEATH, so ...

Was it to prevent hospitals from flooding or the overall viral spread? We’ve been assured it will spread, regardless.

You're blaming nature. You don't realize that but you are.

Personally, I’m blaming economic espionage...

What you aren't doing is asking why we weren't prepared for something like this? Once it's happened it's bound to happen again ( Spanish flu, Ebola, anyone? ).  The questions we should be asking is WHY were we not prepared?  We were warned. In reference to the U.S., WHY did Trump gut Obama's work and preparation for a potential pandemic?  

I don’t know until I look. It’s an interesting question. 🧐
Beware the infowar.

China does have a dog in this fight. What do you think that is?

https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/14/obama-prepared-for-a-potential-pandemic-trump-gutted-his-work/

That is where we, as Americans need to focus: preparation. This will happen again because nature. There is nothing we can do to stop it, but believe me there is everything we can do to prepare for it.


Agreed, but I don’t want a psychotic, hysteric society running germaphobic in masks everywhere.

I know we've touched base on the efficiency of women-led countries in regards to the covid-19 response; however, Ruth Carlitz, a political scientist, analyzed women governors in the U.S. It hasn't been peer-reviewed yet, but will be interesting when it's published.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/world/coronavirus-women-leaders.html

WSJ ARTICLE SNIPPET:
The eclectic group is led by a 33-year-old physician-turned-venture capitalist, Tom Cahill, who lives far from the public eye in a one-bedroom rental near Boston’s Fenway Park. He owns just one suit, but he has enough lofty connections to influence government decisions in the war against Covid-19.

These scientists and their backers describe their work as a lockdown-era Manhattan Project, a nod to the World War II group of scientists who helped develop the atomic bomb. This time around, the scientists are marshaling brains and money to distill unorthodox ideas gleaned from around the globe....

...In early March, as the Covid-19 death toll mounted, Dr. Cahill was intrigued and a little depressed with the state of research on the virus. “Science and medicine were the furthest things removed from everything happening,” he said.
His investors peppered him with questions about the virus, and he organized a conference call to share some against-the-grain ideas on how to accelerate drug development and the like. He expected about 20 people.

When Dr. Cahill tried to dial in the meeting, he was rejected because the call had reached capacity. Then his cellphone buzzed from a New York number. It was National Basketball Association Commissioner Adam Silver. He, too, wanted the meeting’s access code. Dr. Cahill later gave him a personal briefing.

Newpath’s deep-pocketed investor base had spread word of the call, and hundreds of people were on the line, most of whom he had never met, including Mr. Milken.

When he finally got on the call, Dr. Cahill took a deep breath and said he had been working with friends to whittle down potential Covid-19 treatments to the most promising. He said he largely dropped his investing work to focus on a hunt for a cure.

After an hour, he hung up and found his email inbox full of ideas and offers to help, including from Mr. Milken’s team. “For the 50 years I’ve been involved in medical research I have never seen collaboration as we have today,” Mr. Milken said.


Dr. Cahill received a handful of notes from advisers to the vice president. They also had been on the call.

The scientist-investor had gained a platform. All he needed was a plan.

Tracing contacts
One of Dr. Cahill’s first calls was to Mr. Schreiber, a founder of several private companies.

Mr. Schreiber looped in a longtime friend, Edward Scolnick, former head of research and development at pharmaceutical giant Merck & Co., where he helped develop 28 new drugs and vaccines. Dr. Scolnick was blunt: A vaccine would take at least 18 months to hit the market under normal circumstances, he told Mr. Schreiber, “if you’re damn lucky.”

Mr. Schreiber responded, “What about six months?”

The team drew up a list of roughly two dozen companies that could benefit from their recommendations and pledged to sell any shares in them immediately. One early member said he couldn’t and was kicked out.

Much of the early work involved divvying up hundreds of scientific papers on the crisis from around the world. They separated promising ideas from dubious ones. Each member blazed through as many as 20 papers a day, around 10 times the pace they would in their day jobs. They gathered to debate via videoconference, text messages—“like a bunch of teenagers,” Mr. Rosbash said—and phone calls.

Personal hygiene went by the wayside. Michael Lin, a Stanford University neurobiologist, began disabling the camera on his phone to protect his vanity. “A couple of days, I’ve had seven or eight Zoom meetings, which will itself I’m sure cause some kind of disease,” joked David Liu, a Harvard University chemical biologist.

Debates haven’t always been purely science. The group discussed, for instance, whether to suggest that public-health authorities rename the virus “SARS-2,” after the 2003 China animal virus. To them, the name sounded scarier and might get more people to wear face masks. They dropped it.

The team pledged to try to block out politics—not an easy task in the noise and fury of a presidential election year.

Hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug promoted by the president, was dismissed after the group’s resident expert, Ben Cravatt of Scripps Research in La Jolla, Calif., determined it was a long shot at best. The drug received only a passing mention in the group’s final report.


The group also disparaged the idea of using antibody testing to allow people back to work if their results showed they had recovered from the virus. Mr. Cravatt, a chemical biologist, declared it “the worst idea I’ve ever heard.” He said that prior exposure may not prevent people from giving the virus to others, and that overemphasizing antibody testing might tempt some people to intentionally infect themselves to later obtain a clean bill of health.

The group’s initial three phases of recommendations, contained in its report, center on leveraging the scale of the federal government. For instance, buy medicines not yet proven effective as a way to encourage manufacturers to ramp up production without worrying about losing money if the drugs fail. Another is to slash the time required for a clinical review of new drugs to a week from nine months or a year.

The group next needed to get their recommendations to the right people in the Trump administration. For that, Dr. Cahill tapped another well-placed billionaire.

An introduction
Brian Sheth, co-founder of private-equity firm Vista Equity Partners, and a Democrat, had been watching the effort gather steam from his home in Austin, Texas. He was an early investor in Dr. Cahill’s fund and had been on the first call. His expertise was technology, though, not immunology.

He had become friendly with Thomas Hicks Jr., the Dallas businessman and co-chairman of the Republican National Committee. Mr. Sheth introduced Mr. Hicks to Dr. Cahill’s group.


The connection cinched ties between a group of mostly liberal scientists from left-leaning institutions with a Republican stalwart who hunts birds with Donald Trump Jr.

In his first chat with the group, Mr. Hicks said, “I’m not a scientist. Make it clear enough for me, and then tell me where the red tape is.”

A major concern of the scientists was the FDA. The scientists had in their research identified monoclonal antibody drugs that latch onto virus cells as the most promising treatment. But to make the medicine in sufficient quantities, one drugmaker, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals Inc., would have to shift some of its existing manufacturing to Ireland. FDA rules required a monthslong wait for approval.

Mr. Scolnick, who had tussled with bureaucracy during the AIDS epidemic, tried reaching the FDA. The call ended poorly after the bureaucrats told the group they already had the pandemic under control. In a group call afterward, one of the scientists said, of the FDA: “They’re the problem here.”


A growing number of hospitals are investigating antibody testing and blood plasma therapy as a way to combat the new coronavirus in sick patients. WSJ’s Daniela Hernandez explains. Photo illustration: Laura Kammermann

Dr. Cahill got in touch with Mr. Ayers. Once the group briefed the vice president’s aide on the bottleneck, Mr. Ayers said he knew who to call. That evening, March 27, Regeneron received a call from the FDA. They had permission, starting immediately, to shift production to Dublin.

“That was proof positive that what we were doing was starting to work,” Mr. Rosbash said.

The group also made inroads with the VA, the largest health care system in the U.S. The scientists pushed the division’s medical staff to allow veterans with Covid-19 to join existing studies...

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-secret-group-of-scientists-and-billionaires-pushing-trump-on-a-covid-19-plan-11587998993

Thanks, Rabbit. I saw that and didn't share because I just assumed that most  here don't have a WSJ subscription and wouldn't have bothered. Isn't it amazing what you can get done if you know the right people?

What this group has accomplished is remarkable. I appreciate you sharing.

Former Coronavirus Skeptic Warns Others To Take Pandemic Seriously After Infection

Brian Lee Hitchens said he used to believe COVID-19 was a “fake crisis.” Now he’s imploring people to listen to the experts.

A patient battling COVID-19 in Florida admits that he used to believe the pandemic was being blown out of proportion. But, after he and his wife were hospitalized with serious infections, he’s urging people to take coronavirus seriously.

“I don’t want to see anybody go through what I went through,” Brian Lee Hitchens, a ride-share driver in Jupiter, Florida, told WPTV-TV in West Palm Beach in an interview from his hospital bed. “This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This is a real virus that you’ve got to take serious.”

Just last month, Hitchens said he was skeptical about coronavirus and didn’t think the crisis was real.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” he told the TV station.

“I’d get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” he added.

In posts on his Facebook page in early April, he had claimed, “I do not fear this virus because I know that my God is bigger than this Virus will ever be.”
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-man-brian-hitchens-coronavirus-warning_n_5ebdc05ac5b66da6b7d5754f?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=women_fb&fbclid=IwAR3Yaun3sMPknAs1WV9n5VtUOW1cOm99S6gLlkYkEpCTm2CryhFb8zbaTU4

Ahavati said:Former Coronavirus Skeptic Warns Others To Take Pandemic Seriously After Infection

Brian Lee Hitchens said he used to believe COVID-19 was a “fake crisis.” Now he’s imploring people to listen to the experts.

A patient battling COVID-19 in Florida admits that he used to believe the pandemic was being blown out of proportion. But, after he and his wife were hospitalized with serious infections, he’s urging people to take coronavirus seriously.

“I don’t want to see anybody go through what I went through,” Brian Lee Hitchens, a ride-share driver in Jupiter, Florida, told WPTV-TV in West Palm Beach in an interview from his hospital bed. “This wasn’t some scare tactic that anybody was using. It wasn’t some made-up thing. This is a real virus that you’ve got to take serious.”

Just last month, Hitchens said he was skeptical about coronavirus and didn’t think the crisis was real.

“I thought it was maybe the government trying something, and it was kind of like they threw it out there to kinda distract us,” he told the TV station.

“I’d get up in the morning and pray and trust in God for his protection, and I’d just leave it at that. There were all these masks and gloves. I thought it looks like a hysteria,” he added.

In posts on his Facebook page in early April, he had claimed, “I do not fear this virus because I know that my God is bigger than this Virus will ever be.”
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-man-brian-hitchens-coronavirus-warning_n_5ebdc05ac5b66da6b7d5754f?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=women_fb&fbclid=IwAR3Yaun3sMPknAs1WV9n5VtUOW1cOm99S6gLlkYkEpCTm2CryhFb8zbaTU4

Did he catch it from a papaya!?

Thanks Ahavati for commenting in everybody's postings.
I know it gives warm fuzzies to all!