Corona Virus ( Covid-19 )
Commentonly said:
I was hoping he had comeback in to the podcast to update but he hasn’t yet because I’ve seen various reports about the airborne nature of this virus as well.
I guess it’s novel after all and not in a good way, it’s confusing and I’ve seen a few reports now of 16-25 year old deaths as well as infant mortality so has it had another mutation?
The unknowns are what make this so frustrating
Sorry I missed this earlier; I just said that very thing. And it is concerning that the age limits are dropping. Remember, I posted a video from Lombardy Hospital in Italy a week or so ago? The doctors warned that the age of victims was dropping, something unseen in Covid-19.
I don't know if it's a mutation or what. Frustrating is a good word.
I was hoping he had comeback in to the podcast to update but he hasn’t yet because I’ve seen various reports about the airborne nature of this virus as well.
I guess it’s novel after all and not in a good way, it’s confusing and I’ve seen a few reports now of 16-25 year old deaths as well as infant mortality so has it had another mutation?
The unknowns are what make this so frustrating
Sorry I missed this earlier; I just said that very thing. And it is concerning that the age limits are dropping. Remember, I posted a video from Lombardy Hospital in Italy a week or so ago? The doctors warned that the age of victims was dropping, something unseen in Covid-19.
I don't know if it's a mutation or what. Frustrating is a good word.
This is probably going to be one of my final posts in this thread, as I need to focus on getting 50 make that 51 poets ( myself included ) through April.
In researching the potential of Covid-19 mutation, I ran across this:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?animate=2019-11-29,2020-03-29,0,0,30000&fbclid=IwAR1zzUVGdcP06NafWTx57aFE_9v_j8t2ofAN1cS38FlFkHKgjwEetdiZdL0
Is it really saying there are at least 8 strains of the coronavirus circling the world?
Although the genetic relationships among sampled viruses are quite clear, there is considerable uncertainty surrounding estimates of transmission dates and in reconstruction of geographic spread. Please be aware that specific inferred transmission patterns are only a hypothesis.
If it is a slow mutation, didn't the 1918 pandemic mutate itself out in two years? Thankfully we have science and technology that was unheard of back then. Amazing stuff.
In researching the potential of Covid-19 mutation, I ran across this:
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?animate=2019-11-29,2020-03-29,0,0,30000&fbclid=IwAR1zzUVGdcP06NafWTx57aFE_9v_j8t2ofAN1cS38FlFkHKgjwEetdiZdL0
Is it really saying there are at least 8 strains of the coronavirus circling the world?
Although the genetic relationships among sampled viruses are quite clear, there is considerable uncertainty surrounding estimates of transmission dates and in reconstruction of geographic spread. Please be aware that specific inferred transmission patterns are only a hypothesis.
If it is a slow mutation, didn't the 1918 pandemic mutate itself out in two years? Thankfully we have science and technology that was unheard of back then. Amazing stuff.
Ahavati said:
Sorry I missed this earlier; I just said that very thing. And it is concerning that the age limits are dropping. Remember, I posted a video from Lombardy Hospital in Italy a week or so ago? The doctors warned that the age of victims was dropping, something unseen in Covid-19.
I don't know if it's a mutation or what. Frustrating is a good word.
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
Craic I saw 3 police cars roll up to arrest a couple sitting at a bus stop. No social distensing no masks. One cop got nose to nose with the guy as he slapped the cuffs on. The lass screaming we are just waiting for a bus.
Also bumped into a friend who saw police issuing 30 quid fines to people coming back from tesco.
Sorry I missed this earlier; I just said that very thing. And it is concerning that the age limits are dropping. Remember, I posted a video from Lombardy Hospital in Italy a week or so ago? The doctors warned that the age of victims was dropping, something unseen in Covid-19.
I don't know if it's a mutation or what. Frustrating is a good word.
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
Craic I saw 3 police cars roll up to arrest a couple sitting at a bus stop. No social distensing no masks. One cop got nose to nose with the guy as he slapped the cuffs on. The lass screaming we are just waiting for a bus.
Also bumped into a friend who saw police issuing 30 quid fines to people coming back from tesco.
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Carpe_Noctem said:
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
Craic I saw 3 police cars roll up to arrest a couple sitting at a bus stop. No social distensing no masks. One cop got nose to nose with the guy as he slapped the cuffs on. The lass screaming we are just waiting for a bus.
Also bumped into a friend who saw police issuing 30 quid fines to people coming back from tesco.
I’m confused regarding your constant use of vaccination in these comments please explain
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
Craic I saw 3 police cars roll up to arrest a couple sitting at a bus stop. No social distensing no masks. One cop got nose to nose with the guy as he slapped the cuffs on. The lass screaming we are just waiting for a bus.
Also bumped into a friend who saw police issuing 30 quid fines to people coming back from tesco.
I’m confused regarding your constant use of vaccination in these comments please explain
Carpe_Noctem said:
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
[ . . . ]
My question is How many who died of the flu really had Covid-19 due to the lack of available testing?
As far as the airlines, government mandates and lockdowns have cancelled thousands of flights in hopes of flattening the curve. Initially it was thought this was not airborne and could only survive on surfaces once the droplets landed; however, the probability that it could be airborne exists but needs more testing, according to WHO and other medical experts ( in the link both Hemi and myself provided in earlier posts ).
My question is how many deaths are being labelled covid19 deaths when in actualality they are not covid19 deaths but respiratory deaths, weakened immune systems ect.
Same goes for the younger deaths. How many had been vaxinated for example or weakened immune systems.
In regards to it being airborne why have all flights not been cancelled.
[ . . . ]
My question is How many who died of the flu really had Covid-19 due to the lack of available testing?
As far as the airlines, government mandates and lockdowns have cancelled thousands of flights in hopes of flattening the curve. Initially it was thought this was not airborne and could only survive on surfaces once the droplets landed; however, the probability that it could be airborne exists but needs more testing, according to WHO and other medical experts ( in the link both Hemi and myself provided in earlier posts ).
Billy_Snagg said:
Airborne would explain the high transmission rate for sure but I certainly didn't realise the bacteria droplets could stay in the air for 2.7 hours. If that is true then we will have to cover our faces more. I will be wearing my mask more now that you've said that. It still leaves my eyes & ears exposed but I could wear a hat to minimise the contact or transmission further.
As I understood it, it's not like that at all. there's only certain conditions the virus goes aerosol, it's mostly in hospitals and to do with air-line for ventilators. its stays airborne in a small closed area
Airborne would explain the high transmission rate for sure but I certainly didn't realise the bacteria droplets could stay in the air for 2.7 hours. If that is true then we will have to cover our faces more. I will be wearing my mask more now that you've said that. It still leaves my eyes & ears exposed but I could wear a hat to minimise the contact or transmission further.
As I understood it, it's not like that at all. there's only certain conditions the virus goes aerosol, it's mostly in hospitals and to do with air-line for ventilators. its stays airborne in a small closed area
After reading 85 pages of this thread, I'm none the wiser, and am simply happy to live in the middle of nowhere growing my own food -- and won't be visiting this thread again until I've finished NaPo 2020 - by which time the world may, or may not, be a very different place.
lepperochan said:
As I understood it, it's not like that at all. there's only certain conditions the virus goes aerosol, it's mostly in hospitals and to do with air-line for ventilators. its stays airborne in a small closed area
Ahavati said:
[. . .] Initially it was thought this was not airborne and could only survive on surfaces once the droplets landed; however, the probability that it could be airborne exists but needs more testing, according to WHO and other medical experts ( in the link both Hemi and myself provided in earlier posts ).
Josh said:After reading 85 pages of this thread, I'm none the wiser, and am simply happy to live in the middle of nowhere growing my own food -- and won't be visiting this thread again until I've finished NaPo 2020 - by which time the world may, or may not, be a very different place.
Amen, Josh. Who knows what we'll finish to.
As I understood it, it's not like that at all. there's only certain conditions the virus goes aerosol, it's mostly in hospitals and to do with air-line for ventilators. its stays airborne in a small closed area
Ahavati said:
[. . .] Initially it was thought this was not airborne and could only survive on surfaces once the droplets landed; however, the probability that it could be airborne exists but needs more testing, according to WHO and other medical experts ( in the link both Hemi and myself provided in earlier posts ).
Josh said:After reading 85 pages of this thread, I'm none the wiser, and am simply happy to live in the middle of nowhere growing my own food -- and won't be visiting this thread again until I've finished NaPo 2020 - by which time the world may, or may not, be a very different place.
Amen, Josh. Who knows what we'll finish to.
Umm said:https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/30/823905477/who-official-defends-guidance-we-re-not-seeing-airborne-transmission?t=1585653089127
Yeah, that basically says what Hemi's link said last night:
So if I hear you correctly, you're not discounting other studies or other views on this, you're just saying: Until we have solid evidence otherwise, past similar coronaviruses and what evidence we do have thus far points to it being mostly spread by droplets, not airborne.
I am torn between the viral experts who are criticizing this determination and WHO.
But at least one expert in virus transmission said it's way too soon to know that.
"I think the WHO is being irresponsible in giving out that information. This misinformation is dangerous," says Dr. Donald Milton, an infectious disease aerobiologist at the University of Maryland's School of Public Health.
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/28/823292062/who-reviews-available-evidence-on-coronavirus-transmission-through-air
Not to mention Andrew Pekosz, PhD, and codirector of the Center of Excellence in Influenza Research and Surveillance and director of the Center for Emerging Viruses and Infectious Diseases at the Johns Hopkins Center for Global Health, Baltimore, Maryland, applauds the real-world value of such [ aerosol ] experiments.
I am not panicked ( nor desire to create a panic), nor am I scared beyond the typical nervousness of the unknowns surrounding this virus; however, you have to remember that I live in the U.S., where our illustrious leaders let us down by downplaying the severity of this virus followed by inadequate ( or flat out denial of ) testing; therefore, I am unsure why people seem so adamantly against this possibility. Particularly in light of documented cases where the infected person neither traveled nor was around another infected person. Or, the carrier didn't know they were infected, and showed no signs of being infected outside of a common cold.
The virus appears to be slowly mutating ( see the link I posted last night ), and with that mutation comes new developments. If that's the case, then as the 1918 epidemic, it will eventually mutate itself out ( if I remember reading correctly ) in two years. But, not hopefully before a potential vaccine is created, which would hopefully not only end it, but prevent it from spreading.
Vaccines are tricky. Our human makeup is individually unique; therefore, what works for one may not another.
At any rate, wearing a mask should not negate washing hands or surfaces. The potential of being airborne does not diminish surface viability. It's simply an extra precaution worth considering.
Yeah, that basically says what Hemi's link said last night:
So if I hear you correctly, you're not discounting other studies or other views on this, you're just saying: Until we have solid evidence otherwise, past similar coronaviruses and what evidence we do have thus far points to it being mostly spread by droplets, not airborne.
I am torn between the viral experts who are criticizing this determination and WHO.
But at least one expert in virus transmission said it's way too soon to know that.
"I think the WHO is being irresponsible in giving out that information. This misinformation is dangerous," says Dr. Donald Milton, an infectious disease aerobiologist at the University of Maryland's School of Public Health.
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/28/823292062/who-reviews-available-evidence-on-coronavirus-transmission-through-air
Not to mention Andrew Pekosz, PhD, and codirector of the Center of Excellence in Influenza Research and Surveillance and director of the Center for Emerging Viruses and Infectious Diseases at the Johns Hopkins Center for Global Health, Baltimore, Maryland, applauds the real-world value of such [ aerosol ] experiments.
I am not panicked ( nor desire to create a panic), nor am I scared beyond the typical nervousness of the unknowns surrounding this virus; however, you have to remember that I live in the U.S., where our illustrious leaders let us down by downplaying the severity of this virus followed by inadequate ( or flat out denial of ) testing; therefore, I am unsure why people seem so adamantly against this possibility. Particularly in light of documented cases where the infected person neither traveled nor was around another infected person. Or, the carrier didn't know they were infected, and showed no signs of being infected outside of a common cold.
The virus appears to be slowly mutating ( see the link I posted last night ), and with that mutation comes new developments. If that's the case, then as the 1918 epidemic, it will eventually mutate itself out ( if I remember reading correctly ) in two years. But, not hopefully before a potential vaccine is created, which would hopefully not only end it, but prevent it from spreading.
Vaccines are tricky. Our human makeup is individually unique; therefore, what works for one may not another.
At any rate, wearing a mask should not negate washing hands or surfaces. The potential of being airborne does not diminish surface viability. It's simply an extra precaution worth considering.
I've mentioned often that I watch this doctor's vids everyday and today's topic is on Zinc deficiency and its association with the Virus along with other things, which reinforces its benefit of strengthening the immune system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBMiSGjpWE&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBMiSGjpWE&t=0s
Layla said:I've mentioned often that I watch this doctor's vids everyday and today's topic is on Zinc deficiency and its association with the Virus along with other things, which reinforces its benefit of strengthening the immune system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBMiSGjpWE&t=0s
That was very enlightening, Layla. I think Average Joe mentioned zinc in one of his posts, and I recommended Quantum Health's Therazinc to Magdalena somewhere in this thread.
I've been using the spray for over a year now and it seriously seems to knock anything out early. My grandson hates the spray, but likes the lozenges.
https://quantumhealth.com/therazinc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBMiSGjpWE&t=0s
That was very enlightening, Layla. I think Average Joe mentioned zinc in one of his posts, and I recommended Quantum Health's Therazinc to Magdalena somewhere in this thread.
I've been using the spray for over a year now and it seriously seems to knock anything out early. My grandson hates the spray, but likes the lozenges.
https://quantumhealth.com/therazinc
Anonymous
Ahavati said:
That was very enlightening, Layla. I think Average Joe mentioned zinc in one of his posts, and I recommended Quantum Health's Therazinc to Magdalena somewhere in this thread.
I've been using the spray for over a year now and it seriously seems to knock anything out early. My grandson hates the spray, but likes the lozenges.
https://quantumhealth.com/therazinc
Oh, yeah. It really is strong.
That was very enlightening, Layla. I think Average Joe mentioned zinc in one of his posts, and I recommended Quantum Health's Therazinc to Magdalena somewhere in this thread.
I've been using the spray for over a year now and it seriously seems to knock anything out early. My grandson hates the spray, but likes the lozenges.
https://quantumhealth.com/therazinc
Oh, yeah. It really is strong.
