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YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
I am not writing just to gain
the honour that l have the brain
that can indite some rhythmic lines
that you will like and praise my name.
I know you have the head that thinks.
You go along the way l pass.
It's full of hardships and complaints.
Just look at your most recent lines.
I like to join your aims with mine
and read a word from your smart mind.
You are supposed to have some thoughts.
I will be pleased if lots are wise.
I don't compete with you to chant
what can produce a better lay.
I look at what you write to find
what makes me have a content heart.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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I am not writing just to gain
the honour that l have the brain
that can indite some rhythmic lines
that you will like and praise my name.
I know you have the head that thinks.
You go along the way l pass.
It's full of hardships and complaints.
Just look at your most recent lines.
I like to join your aims with mine
and read a word from your smart mind.
You are supposed to have some thoughts.
I will be pleased if lots are wise.
I don't compete with you to chant
what can produce a better lay.
I look at what you write to find
what makes me have a content heart.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 1:25pm
You are supposed to have some thoughts.
I would be pleased if lots are [SIC were] wise".
So you are saying that the words you've received from the person you say is capable of being your guide (presumably on the matter of how to write well) have not been wise?
There's also the matter of the fact that there is nothing here regarding how the words of the person being addressed can be a guide, let alone what it is that one hopes to be guided to .
Cue the response that focuses on whether "were" is the appropriate word here rather than on how the statement above is actuallly an insult.
I would be pleased if lots are [SIC were] wise".
So you are saying that the words you've received from the person you say is capable of being your guide (presumably on the matter of how to write well) have not been wise?
There's also the matter of the fact that there is nothing here regarding how the words of the person being addressed can be a guide, let alone what it is that one hopes to be guided to .
Cue the response that focuses on whether "were" is the appropriate word here rather than on how the statement above is actuallly an insult.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
Very dear Baldwin,
1-No, Baldwin. Although it didn't occur to me to use the SUBJECTIVE MOOD, l don't want to change it into WERE because it weakens the possibility of being true as l want very much to see a lot of them WISE as that would help me. I don't even want to use BE, as it also weakens the possibility. I prefer to keep it ARE with its stronger possibility.
2- The rest is not worth to be answered. J.Z.
1-No, Baldwin. Although it didn't occur to me to use the SUBJECTIVE MOOD, l don't want to change it into WERE because it weakens the possibility of being true as l want very much to see a lot of them WISE as that would help me. I don't even want to use BE, as it also weakens the possibility. I prefer to keep it ARE with its stronger possibility.
2- The rest is not worth to be answered. J.Z.
Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
"1-No, Baldwin. Although it didn't occur to me to use the SUBJECTIVE MOOD, l don't want to change it into WERE because it weakens the possibility of being true as l want very much to see a lot of them WISE as that would help me. "
So you are saying that every "word" you've received so far from those who have offered you guidance has lacked wisdom including those you've followed).
"2- The rest is not worth to be answered [SIC]. J.Z."
Thanks for doing what I predicted you'd do -- i'.e. write a response to what I said to you that focuses only on whether "were" is the appropriate word here rather than on how you've insulted the person you are addressing and leaves aside speaking to the quite evident fact that there is nothing in your composition regarding **how** the words of the person being addressed in it can be a guide, let alone **what it is** that you hope to be guided to.
So you are saying that every "word" you've received so far from those who have offered you guidance has lacked wisdom including those you've followed).
"2- The rest is not worth to be answered [SIC]. J.Z."
Thanks for doing what I predicted you'd do -- i'.e. write a response to what I said to you that focuses only on whether "were" is the appropriate word here rather than on how you've insulted the person you are addressing and leaves aside speaking to the quite evident fact that there is nothing in your composition regarding **how** the words of the person being addressed in it can be a guide, let alone **what it is** that you hope to be guided to.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 3:16pm
Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 3:34pm
But you are still saying that so far words addressed to you have not been wise ones since using "will" says you are living in a hope that has not yet been fulfilled.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
"I am not writing just to gain
the honour that l have the brain
that can indite some rhythmic lines
that you will like and praise my name. "
Who said you were? And BTW, your claim that you are " not writing **just** to gain" my approval of, and my praise for, what you write means that gaining my approval of, and my praise for, what you write is at least one of the purposes for which you write.
So does your statement that you "look at what you write to find
what makes me have a content heart"
Moreover, so far as I know, brains don't indite anything.
the honour that l have the brain
that can indite some rhythmic lines
that you will like and praise my name. "
Who said you were? And BTW, your claim that you are " not writing **just** to gain" my approval of, and my praise for, what you write means that gaining my approval of, and my praise for, what you write is at least one of the purposes for which you write.
So does your statement that you "look at what you write to find
what makes me have a content heart"
Moreover, so far as I know, brains don't indite anything.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
Very dear Baldwin,
Who said that l am writing to gain your approval. Sorry Baldwin, l DID NOT MEAN YOU AT ALL. The word YOU means ANYONE. J.Z.
Who said that l am writing to gain your approval. Sorry Baldwin, l DID NOT MEAN YOU AT ALL. The word YOU means ANYONE. J.Z.
Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 6:35pm
Even so, your use of "just" makes you say that one of the reasons you write is to be admired.
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
2nd Mar 2024 1:13pm
"Who said that l am writing to gain your approval [sic ?]"
You did, however implicitly, when you wrote
"I know you have the head that thinks.
You go along the way l pass.
It's full of hardships and complaints.
Just look at your most recent lines. "
since I'm the only one whose "recent lines" were full of "hardships and complaints".
You did, however implicitly, when you wrote
"I know you have the head that thinks.
You go along the way l pass.
It's full of hardships and complaints.
Just look at your most recent lines. "
since I'm the only one whose "recent lines" were full of "hardships and complaints".
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 6:50pm
Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
19th Jan 2024 7:04pm
Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
But l am interested in cooperating with those minds. In this way, we can help each other to reach good ideas that can make all of us able to have content hearts. Therefore, my main purpose is to reach content hearts for us all and not to get admiration.
Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
And here I thought that a poet's aim is not to reach good ideas or to obtain a "content heart" but to put ideas into words that are crafted in such a way that they compel a reader to have a vital experience of something.
Can you name any poet from what you regard as the golden age of poetry who claimed that reaching good ideas that would provide them (and others) with a "content heart" was not only the primary reason for which he (or she) wrote but was also the main (let alone the only) reason that any aspiring poet should write?
My money is on the fact that you will avoid doing so, let alone that you won't admit that it is the case that there are none.
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Can you name any poet from what you regard as the golden age of poetry who claimed that reaching good ideas that would provide them (and others) with a "content heart" was not only the primary reason for which he (or she) wrote but was also the main (let alone the only) reason that any aspiring poet should write?
My money is on the fact that you will avoid doing so, let alone that you won't admit that it is the case that there are none.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
29th Feb 2024 11:00am
These lines surely stem from a wise mind, not just a poet, but man with a high esteem for his peers friends poets.
A very firm and solid composition that shows your mastery of Shakespeare's language.
stay safe and happy Joseph.
A very firm and solid composition that shows your mastery of Shakespeare's language.
stay safe and happy Joseph.
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
29th Feb 2024 12:43pm
I would be grateful if you would show me where this piece exhibits "Shakespearean language", let alone a mastery of it.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
Shakespearean mean's clean language not necessary bright and eloquent.;clean and acceptable expression,
that does not hurt the feelings of its readers, not harsh;,neither offending, or may be eerie why not?
but clear, in such an extent.....
English is a worldwide language not a private property, or a country's bounty from war, its a world's ownership...
thanks dear brother for this question..'' since we understand each other, then thats enough''...........
that does not hurt the feelings of its readers, not harsh;,neither offending, or may be eerie why not?
but clear, in such an extent.....
English is a worldwide language not a private property, or a country's bounty from war, its a world's ownership...
thanks dear brother for this question..'' since we understand each other, then thats enough''...........
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
29th Feb 2024 1:41pm
I did not ask you for a definition of what "Shakespearean language" is. I asked you to provide examples of where this piece displayed "Shakespearean" language and to demonstrate that J-Z is a master of writing in this vein.
So far as I can see, you've not fulfilled my request.
So far as I can see, you've not fulfilled my request.
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
29th Feb 2024 1:47pm
Hungry need never be fulfilled,
empty stomach never be fully fed
hungry mind for knowledge and lore never be satisfied
until death toll resonates................
stay happy Baldwin keep looking for the truth no one, nothing is complete
empty stomach never be fully fed
hungry mind for knowledge and lore never be satisfied
until death toll resonates................
stay happy Baldwin keep looking for the truth no one, nothing is complete
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
29th Feb 2024 2:07pm
In other words, you cannot produce what I asked you to produce -- and you admit that what you say characterizes J-Z's piece is simply not there in it
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Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
27th Mar 2024 6:21pm
Sorry, but
"Hungry need never be fulfilled,
empty stomach never be fully fed
hungry mind for knowledge and lore never be satisfied
until death toll resonates............"
is a stellar instance of something that is a grammatically graffed, solecism-filled, unintelligible piece of writing.
If you were trying to say
Hunger’s need will never be fulfilled,
empty stomachs will never be fully fed
minds hungry for knowledge and lore
will never be satisfied
until death tolls its culling resonance.
you've not come anywhere near saying it.
"Hungry need never be fulfilled,
empty stomach never be fully fed
hungry mind for knowledge and lore never be satisfied
until death toll resonates............"
is a stellar instance of something that is a grammatically graffed, solecism-filled, unintelligible piece of writing.
If you were trying to say
Hunger’s need will never be fulfilled,
empty stomachs will never be fully fed
minds hungry for knowledge and lore
will never be satisfied
until death tolls its culling resonance.
you've not come anywhere near saying it.
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Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
23rd Mar 2024 9:28pm
Very dear P.D.,
I clearly see from your comments and writings that you are after reaching food for thoughts. Thank you very much for your great comments and answers. Sorry for not answering you earlier, but my site on D.U.P. was blocked by the internet. They said it was not private, and they feared hackers. J.Z.
I clearly see from your comments and writings that you are after reaching food for thoughts. Thank you very much for your great comments and answers. Sorry for not answering you earlier, but my site on D.U.P. was blocked by the internet. They said it was not private, and they feared hackers. J.Z.
Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
23rd Mar 2024 9:39pm
Very dear Baldwin,
Can you tell me why you are irritated when somebody praises my poetry? If you don't get the needed success and praise for your writings, should you feel angry if they are given to others instead of improving your poetry? Sorry for being rough with you. J.Z.
Can you tell me why you are irritated when somebody praises my poetry? If you don't get the needed success and praise for your writings, should you feel angry if they are given to others instead of improving your poetry? Sorry for being rough with you. J.Z.
Re: Re. YOUR WORD CAN BE MY GUIDE.
"Very dear Baldwin,
Can you tell me why you are irritated when somebody praises my poetry?"
Where did I express "irritation" at your "poetry" being praised? I asked poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken) what he/she meant by "Shakespeare's language" and for evidence that your submission was a "composition that shows your mastery of it." -- an evaluation that I do not think is sustainable and which poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken) has avoided providing any strong evidence to the contrary.
"If you don't get the needed success and praise for your writings, should you feel angry if they are given to others"
Leaving aside the matters of whether I "need" praise for what I write and of how you show yourself to be oblivious to the fact that I often receive it (even from you) and that you don't, let alone whether it's true that I show anger rather than incredulity when your work receives praise, the issue is not what's given to others, but whether what's given is warranted.
Please show me that poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken)'s claim that your submission above displays a mastery of "Shakespeare's language"(however that is defined) is true
BTW, how does one "get success" from others?
Can you tell me why you are irritated when somebody praises my poetry?"
Where did I express "irritation" at your "poetry" being praised? I asked poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken) what he/she meant by "Shakespeare's language" and for evidence that your submission was a "composition that shows your mastery of it." -- an evaluation that I do not think is sustainable and which poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken) has avoided providing any strong evidence to the contrary.
"If you don't get the needed success and praise for your writings, should you feel angry if they are given to others"
Leaving aside the matters of whether I "need" praise for what I write and of how you show yourself to be oblivious to the fact that I often receive it (even from you) and that you don't, let alone whether it's true that I show anger rather than incredulity when your work receives praise, the issue is not what's given to others, but whether what's given is warranted.
Please show me that poeticdelight (SilentlySpoken)'s claim that your submission above displays a mastery of "Shakespeare's language"(however that is defined) is true
BTW, how does one "get success" from others?
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