Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications IV
Anonymous
I find it ironic that communist sympathies prevail on a website that's supposedly devoted to the art of poetry.
Art is the oldest and purest form of Private Enterprise, which is in absolute, polar opposition to communism.
Individual privacy in general--art being the MOST private experience--is opposed to communism / socialism.
Yet here we are--all these supposed artistic types supporting communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
Art is the oldest and purest form of Private Enterprise, which is in absolute, polar opposition to communism.
Individual privacy in general--art being the MOST private experience--is opposed to communism / socialism.
Yet here we are--all these supposed artistic types supporting communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
Mark_Parsons said:
... communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
If that's your understanding of Communism, I respectfully suggest that you remove your head from up your arse and read a little more. What you're describing above is State Capitalism, as existed in Russia under Stalin et al, and exists now in China, both countries far, far removed from anything resembling Communism.
If you're interested in what the State and its function in any society is, and would like to understand what happens to it under Communistic relations of production, you could do worse than read the classic text below, Chapters One and Five in particular:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/
Regards
... communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
If that's your understanding of Communism, I respectfully suggest that you remove your head from up your arse and read a little more. What you're describing above is State Capitalism, as existed in Russia under Stalin et al, and exists now in China, both countries far, far removed from anything resembling Communism.
If you're interested in what the State and its function in any society is, and would like to understand what happens to it under Communistic relations of production, you could do worse than read the classic text below, Chapters One and Five in particular:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/
Regards
Heather Cox Richardson
July 4, 2024
And on July 4, 1776, the Second Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, declaring: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
For all the fact that the congressmen got around the sticky little problem of Black and Indigenous enslavement by defining “men” as “white men,” and for all that it never crossed their minds that women might also have rights, the Declaration of Independence was an astonishingly radical document. In a world that had been dominated by a small class of rich men for so long that most people simply accepted that they should be forever tied to their status at birth, a group of upstart legislators on the edges of a continent declared that no man was born better than any other.
America was founded on the radical idea that all men are created equal.
What the founders declared self-evident was not so clear eighty-seven years later, when southern white men went to war to reshape America into a nation in which African Americans, Indigenous Americans, Chinese, and Irish were locked into a lower status than whites. In that era, equality had become a “proposition,” rather than “self-evident.”
“Four score and seven years ago,” Abraham Lincoln reminded Americans, “our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” In 1863, Lincoln explained, the Civil War was “testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.”
It did, of course. The Confederate rebellion failed. The United States endured, and Americans began to expand the idea that all men are created equal to include Black men, men of color, and eventually women.
But just as in the 1850s, we are now, once again, facing a rebellion against our founding principle, as a few people seek to reshape America into a nation in which certain people are better than others.
The men who signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, pledged their “Lives, [their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor” to defend the idea of human equality. Ever since then, Americans have sacrificed their own fortunes, honor, and even their lives, for that principle. Lincoln reminded Civil War Americans of those sacrifices when he urged the people of his era to “take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
Words to live by in 2024.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-3-2024-aea
Happy Independence Day to all!
July 4, 2024
And on July 4, 1776, the Second Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, declaring: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
For all the fact that the congressmen got around the sticky little problem of Black and Indigenous enslavement by defining “men” as “white men,” and for all that it never crossed their minds that women might also have rights, the Declaration of Independence was an astonishingly radical document. In a world that had been dominated by a small class of rich men for so long that most people simply accepted that they should be forever tied to their status at birth, a group of upstart legislators on the edges of a continent declared that no man was born better than any other.
America was founded on the radical idea that all men are created equal.
What the founders declared self-evident was not so clear eighty-seven years later, when southern white men went to war to reshape America into a nation in which African Americans, Indigenous Americans, Chinese, and Irish were locked into a lower status than whites. In that era, equality had become a “proposition,” rather than “self-evident.”
“Four score and seven years ago,” Abraham Lincoln reminded Americans, “our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” In 1863, Lincoln explained, the Civil War was “testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.”
It did, of course. The Confederate rebellion failed. The United States endured, and Americans began to expand the idea that all men are created equal to include Black men, men of color, and eventually women.
But just as in the 1850s, we are now, once again, facing a rebellion against our founding principle, as a few people seek to reshape America into a nation in which certain people are better than others.
The men who signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, pledged their “Lives, [their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor” to defend the idea of human equality. Ever since then, Americans have sacrificed their own fortunes, honor, and even their lives, for that principle. Lincoln reminded Civil War Americans of those sacrifices when he urged the people of his era to “take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
Words to live by in 2024.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-3-2024-aea
Happy Independence Day to all!
Trump will do anything, tell any lie,
to be c in c.
As an aside;
Trump deferred his call up for the
Vietnam war 5 times. Then the war
was over. (i can't mock him for that)
But, to justify and defend his 5 times
deferment he has to call service men
and women losers.
They've started intimidating
at the polling booths.
https://news.yahoo.com/prominent-election-deniers-draw-complaints-103053733.html
to be c in c.
As an aside;
Trump deferred his call up for the
Vietnam war 5 times. Then the war
was over. (i can't mock him for that)
But, to justify and defend his 5 times
deferment he has to call service men
and women losers.
They've started intimidating
at the polling booths.
https://news.yahoo.com/prominent-election-deniers-draw-complaints-103053733.html
Mark_Parsons said:I find it ironic that communist sympathies prevail on a website that's supposedly devoted to the art of poetry.
Art is the oldest and purest form of Private Enterprise, which is in absolute, polar opposition to communism.
Individual privacy in general--art being the MOST private experience--is opposed to communism / socialism.
Yet here we are--all these supposed artistic types supporting communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
This particular forum is devoted to anything BUT the art of poetry ( if one bothers to read its guidelines ) because many poets are also intellects and enjoy discussing various philosophies and world events.
DaisyGrace said:Politics, or much of what people get riled up about in politics, is all about how people live their lives. What we can and can't do. What we should or shouldn't feel. Who should have this and who should have that. Politics is about living life.
Poetry is all about living life.
Any aspect of anyone's life could be seen as political: living situation, who they love, what color their children are, what color they are, birth control, abstinence, purchases, illnesses, advocacy, how someone dies, etc etc etc. Everything can be seen as political.
What do we write poetry about? Life. Death. Love. Passion. Truth. Beauty. We write about what we are passionate about.
It's all wrapped up. Politics and Poetry have a very long history. Even a poem that was written with no political motivation can be read with one. They go hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly. Or fish and chips. Or curry and naan. (just trying to cover all my bases so we all understand what i'm trying to say. ha!)
So for me, you can't have a poetry site without people talking about politics.
Art is the oldest and purest form of Private Enterprise, which is in absolute, polar opposition to communism.
Individual privacy in general--art being the MOST private experience--is opposed to communism / socialism.
Yet here we are--all these supposed artistic types supporting communism, state control of the individual and his enterprise.
This particular forum is devoted to anything BUT the art of poetry ( if one bothers to read its guidelines ) because many poets are also intellects and enjoy discussing various philosophies and world events.
DaisyGrace said:Politics, or much of what people get riled up about in politics, is all about how people live their lives. What we can and can't do. What we should or shouldn't feel. Who should have this and who should have that. Politics is about living life.
Poetry is all about living life.
Any aspect of anyone's life could be seen as political: living situation, who they love, what color their children are, what color they are, birth control, abstinence, purchases, illnesses, advocacy, how someone dies, etc etc etc. Everything can be seen as political.
What do we write poetry about? Life. Death. Love. Passion. Truth. Beauty. We write about what we are passionate about.
It's all wrapped up. Politics and Poetry have a very long history. Even a poem that was written with no political motivation can be read with one. They go hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly. Or fish and chips. Or curry and naan. (just trying to cover all my bases so we all understand what i'm trying to say. ha!)
So for me, you can't have a poetry site without people talking about politics.
Anonymous
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Perhaps we're looking at this all wrong. Instead of looking at two men, let's look at what we believe. If you believe in Project 25 vote Trump. If not, vote Biden.
https://youtu.be/vYXZ6iJJSgM?si=bspawV6TqkegvXq6
https://youtu.be/vYXZ6iJJSgM?si=bspawV6TqkegvXq6
Of course poetry has been a servant of rhetoric, and therefore politics, since at least the classical times of Greco-Roman antiquity.
How can it be argued that we fail to use our poetic powers of metaphor, or implicit comparison, in all other areas of thoughtful pursuit, such as when we read and compare Abraham Lincoln's succinct gold standard of democracy..."government of the people, by the people, for the people”...to the vastly expanded emancipatory works of Marx and Engels, or Thomas Jefferson, or The Federalist Papers by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, or Thomas Paine, or countless other authors who have, over the ages, addressed the elusive semantic parameters of freedom.
Poetry too, is a quest for the same Grail as the quest striven for in the public arena, and we who are not oligarchs have a sacred duty to keep that grail of freedom out of the duplicitous hands of rapacious aristocracy.
How can it be argued that we fail to use our poetic powers of metaphor, or implicit comparison, in all other areas of thoughtful pursuit, such as when we read and compare Abraham Lincoln's succinct gold standard of democracy..."government of the people, by the people, for the people”...to the vastly expanded emancipatory works of Marx and Engels, or Thomas Jefferson, or The Federalist Papers by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, or Thomas Paine, or countless other authors who have, over the ages, addressed the elusive semantic parameters of freedom.
Poetry too, is a quest for the same Grail as the quest striven for in the public arena, and we who are not oligarchs have a sacred duty to keep that grail of freedom out of the duplicitous hands of rapacious aristocracy.
Anonymous
This summary of Project of 2025 is from the left-leaning BBC
"The Project 2025 document outlines four main aims: restore the family as the centrepiece of American life; dismantle the administrative state; defend the nation’s sovereignty and borders; and secure God-given individual rights to live freely."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
"The Project 2025 document outlines four main aims: restore the family as the centrepiece of American life; dismantle the administrative state; defend the nation’s sovereignty and borders; and secure God-given individual rights to live freely."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
Golly.
I found a poem in the political department...
Ban Dancers
We skirt around the brain lazy fools
who try to catch our freedom into stones
of ten archaic Judean rules
no better than the history of thrones
or the bans in place by the Taliban
or the soiled sheets of the Ku Klux Klan
or the havoc of Empire Japan
or any old Reich with a master plan...
which ever did their worst to silence love
and the liberty where it grows and thrives
in the innate glory, here and above,
of we the people in our boundless lives
making more room for the liberty dance...
that cut short the kings...of England and France!
I found a poem in the political department...
Ban Dancers
We skirt around the brain lazy fools
who try to catch our freedom into stones
of ten archaic Judean rules
no better than the history of thrones
or the bans in place by the Taliban
or the soiled sheets of the Ku Klux Klan
or the havoc of Empire Japan
or any old Reich with a master plan...
which ever did their worst to silence love
and the liberty where it grows and thrives
in the innate glory, here and above,
of we the people in our boundless lives
making more room for the liberty dance...
that cut short the kings...of England and France!
Mark_Parsons said:This summary of Project of 2025 is from the left-leaning BBC
"The Project 2025 document outlines four main aims: restore the family as the centrepiece of American life; dismantle the administrative state; defend the nation’s sovereignty and borders; and secure God-given individual rights to live freely."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
Separation of church/state & equality: Biden
Project 25: Trump
What do you ( collective DU ) believe?
"The Project 2025 document outlines four main aims: restore the family as the centrepiece of American life; dismantle the administrative state; defend the nation’s sovereignty and borders; and secure God-given individual rights to live freely."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
Separation of church/state & equality: Biden
Project 25: Trump
What do you ( collective DU ) believe?
