Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II
JohnnyBlaze said:
Sigh. That is extreme. Stabbing is a sign of a lot of pent up rage.
To me, it is an excuse to vent some craziness already seeking a path of least resistance. I see many of these "anti maskers" as being already unhappy with their lives looking for someone or something else to take it out on.
Yep; you nailed it. This current situation is a bottle-opener releasing pent up pressure. Hurt people hurt people. More so with those who are angry, frustrated, and scared.
Sigh. That is extreme. Stabbing is a sign of a lot of pent up rage.
To me, it is an excuse to vent some craziness already seeking a path of least resistance. I see many of these "anti maskers" as being already unhappy with their lives looking for someone or something else to take it out on.
Yep; you nailed it. This current situation is a bottle-opener releasing pent up pressure. Hurt people hurt people. More so with those who are angry, frustrated, and scared.
Anonymous
Ahavati said:
Yep; you nailed it. This current situation is a bottle-opener releasing pent up pressure. Hurt people hurt people. More so with those who are angry, frustrated, and scared.
Yes. I would say most of the hurt is self inflicted by their own beliefs that have unawaringly wandered into conspiratorial waters.
To me, there is a huge difference between protesting "sudden lockdowns and mask requirements" and protesting "oppression and violence comitted against one's race their entire lives".
One is an unconcious conditioning since birth, the other is simply living unconcious to the point that everything is viewed as randomly occuring and survival of the most powerful.
( lol the hazards of juggling accounts )
Yep; you nailed it. This current situation is a bottle-opener releasing pent up pressure. Hurt people hurt people. More so with those who are angry, frustrated, and scared.
Yes. I would say most of the hurt is self inflicted by their own beliefs that have unawaringly wandered into conspiratorial waters.
To me, there is a huge difference between protesting "sudden lockdowns and mask requirements" and protesting "oppression and violence comitted against one's race their entire lives".
One is an unconcious conditioning since birth, the other is simply living unconcious to the point that everything is viewed as randomly occuring and survival of the most powerful.
( lol the hazards of juggling accounts )
Magnetron said:
Yes. I would say most of the hurt is self inflicted by their own beliefs that have unawaringly wandered into conspiratorial waters.
To me, there is a huge difference between protesting "sudden lockdowns and mask requirements" and protesting "oppression and violence comitted against one's race their entire lives".
One is an unconcious conditioning since birth, the other is simply living unconcious to the point that everything is viewed as randomly occuring and survival of the most powerful.
( lol the hazards of juggling accounts )
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/which-deamany-black-men-fear-wearing-mask-more-than-coronavirus/
Is it only black men who fear being masked? Are only their feelings important?
Yes. I would say most of the hurt is self inflicted by their own beliefs that have unawaringly wandered into conspiratorial waters.
To me, there is a huge difference between protesting "sudden lockdowns and mask requirements" and protesting "oppression and violence comitted against one's race their entire lives".
One is an unconcious conditioning since birth, the other is simply living unconcious to the point that everything is viewed as randomly occuring and survival of the most powerful.
( lol the hazards of juggling accounts )
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/which-deamany-black-men-fear-wearing-mask-more-than-coronavirus/
Is it only black men who fear being masked? Are only their feelings important?
It seems as though Arizona has yet to flatten the curve
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
We never sheltered in place, mandatory closures of businesses was followed, but that only made the people swarm WalMart and grocery stores.
The sheriff's openly admit they will not enforce social distancing curfew or masks
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
We never sheltered in place, mandatory closures of businesses was followed, but that only made the people swarm WalMart and grocery stores.
The sheriff's openly admit they will not enforce social distancing curfew or masks
Valeriyabeyond said:It seems as though Arizona has yet to flatten the curve
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
We never sheltered in place, mandatory closures of businesses was followed, but that only made the people swarm WalMart and grocery stores.
The sheriff's openly admit they will not enforce social distancing curfew or masks
But yet they'll arrest protestors breaking the law. Classic scenario of police placing themselves above the law.
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
We never sheltered in place, mandatory closures of businesses was followed, but that only made the people swarm WalMart and grocery stores.
The sheriff's openly admit they will not enforce social distancing curfew or masks
But yet they'll arrest protestors breaking the law. Classic scenario of police placing themselves above the law.
Valeriyabeyond said:It seems as though Arizona has yet to flatten the curve
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
The only curve that matters is to me how the death rate changes over time--there are too many differing methods for interpreting what constitutes a new "case" and some states even equate contacts with cases. It stands to reason that, after the fact, the death curve will tell us what the case curve really looked like. So I thought, if we look at the death curve from the beginning to date, what would it tell us?
(Bear with me. I am an engineer. I don't think like normal people.)
The ADHS reports this data on their web site, and it does appear that Arizona has not flattened the death curve. BUT they admit that they have revised how they report the data over the period of interest.
That immediately makes me skeptical. I understand that there is often some question about what really caused a person's death, but changing how you collect the data over time makes any graph of it meaningless. In my mind, the obvious answer to isolate the real number of deaths due to covid is statistically. I am, after all, an engineer.
Here is how I would do it: you look at the number of deaths expected in a particular week by taking an average that for that same week in prior years. Compare the actual number of deaths this year in that week vs. what was expected, as a percentage. If we assume the effect of regularly occurring seasonal causes stay relatively similar over time (eg the common flu and such) then any change would most likely be due to covid.
The reason to compute it as a percentage is because there are known seasonal variations in the death rate. Comparing like weeks, year to year, on a rolling average, takes this into account and translates the baseline to 100% all the time.
Unfortunately, I could find no such data for Arizona... But the CDC does in fact report that on a national level:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
If you look closely at the first table on that page, they have provided exactly what I was looking for in column 4, the percent of expected deaths compared to prior years. As a percentage, in this case on a weekly basis.
In a normal year, that column would read near 100% all the way down, having already accounted for the average effect of all causes. (Remember the effect for covid is zero in prior years, because we think it is new this year.)
This year there was a indeed a strong peak... But it was in the middle of April!
That is important. The footnote warns that recent data is under reported, and isn't complete until about 8 weeks later. That means folks with tin-foil hats should not follow the data in most recent 8 weeks. But that means the data is good up until mid-May, which is well past the peak in April. In fact, the death rate had fallen by half in that interval.
We cannot definitively determine if any of the measures taken, including the lockdowns, helped flatten the curve. We can definitively say that we are well past the peak three months ago as a nation and are coasting down the back side.
Is this helpful? Or did I lose everybody?
If we ran the numbers from the beginning of this pandemic up to now I'm sure you would see a lull but overall Az has been steadily increasing
29% when I last checked
The only curve that matters is to me how the death rate changes over time--there are too many differing methods for interpreting what constitutes a new "case" and some states even equate contacts with cases. It stands to reason that, after the fact, the death curve will tell us what the case curve really looked like. So I thought, if we look at the death curve from the beginning to date, what would it tell us?
(Bear with me. I am an engineer. I don't think like normal people.)
The ADHS reports this data on their web site, and it does appear that Arizona has not flattened the death curve. BUT they admit that they have revised how they report the data over the period of interest.
That immediately makes me skeptical. I understand that there is often some question about what really caused a person's death, but changing how you collect the data over time makes any graph of it meaningless. In my mind, the obvious answer to isolate the real number of deaths due to covid is statistically. I am, after all, an engineer.
Here is how I would do it: you look at the number of deaths expected in a particular week by taking an average that for that same week in prior years. Compare the actual number of deaths this year in that week vs. what was expected, as a percentage. If we assume the effect of regularly occurring seasonal causes stay relatively similar over time (eg the common flu and such) then any change would most likely be due to covid.
The reason to compute it as a percentage is because there are known seasonal variations in the death rate. Comparing like weeks, year to year, on a rolling average, takes this into account and translates the baseline to 100% all the time.
Unfortunately, I could find no such data for Arizona... But the CDC does in fact report that on a national level:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
If you look closely at the first table on that page, they have provided exactly what I was looking for in column 4, the percent of expected deaths compared to prior years. As a percentage, in this case on a weekly basis.
In a normal year, that column would read near 100% all the way down, having already accounted for the average effect of all causes. (Remember the effect for covid is zero in prior years, because we think it is new this year.)
This year there was a indeed a strong peak... But it was in the middle of April!
That is important. The footnote warns that recent data is under reported, and isn't complete until about 8 weeks later. That means folks with tin-foil hats should not follow the data in most recent 8 weeks. But that means the data is good up until mid-May, which is well past the peak in April. In fact, the death rate had fallen by half in that interval.
We cannot definitively determine if any of the measures taken, including the lockdowns, helped flatten the curve. We can definitively say that we are well past the peak three months ago as a nation and are coasting down the back side.
Is this helpful? Or did I lose everybody?
Anonymous
Not sure if it’s true, but I heard yesterday, that Blackburn and Darwen have gone into another lockdown.
Happy days if it’s true. My mum lives there.
Happy days if it’s true. My mum lives there.
I have always been fascinated with blood and thusly types. I did a major study in college on the migration and evolution of blood types. What was even more shocking was where that research led me, i.e. - down a path of self-discovery regarding the lost tribe of Israel and the Cherokee Nation. I even participated in the 'Eat Right for Your Type' study done when the book was being published, and it really worked.
"The Blood is the Life"
Why do we have different blood types — and do they make us more vulnerable to Covid-19?
Most humans fall into one of four blood groups — A, B, AB or O.
Ordinarily, your blood type makes very little difference in your daily life except if you need to have a blood transfusion.
However, people with Type A may have a higher risk of catching Covid-19 and of developing severe symptoms, recent research has suggested, while people with Type O blood have a lower risk. These study results follow evidence from past research that certain blood groups are more vulnerable to other diseases like cancer.
But why we have blood types and what purpose they serve is still largely unknown, and very little is known about their links to viruses and disease. Unlocking what role blood types play would potentially help scientists better understand the risk of disease for people in different blood groups.
[ . . . ]
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/health/blood-types-coronavirus-wellness-scn/index.html
A European study has also linked genes, blood type with risk of severe coronavirus infection
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/coronavirus-genes-blood-type-study/index.html
"The Blood is the Life"
Why do we have different blood types — and do they make us more vulnerable to Covid-19?
Most humans fall into one of four blood groups — A, B, AB or O.
Ordinarily, your blood type makes very little difference in your daily life except if you need to have a blood transfusion.
However, people with Type A may have a higher risk of catching Covid-19 and of developing severe symptoms, recent research has suggested, while people with Type O blood have a lower risk. These study results follow evidence from past research that certain blood groups are more vulnerable to other diseases like cancer.
But why we have blood types and what purpose they serve is still largely unknown, and very little is known about their links to viruses and disease. Unlocking what role blood types play would potentially help scientists better understand the risk of disease for people in different blood groups.
[ . . . ]
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/health/blood-types-coronavirus-wellness-scn/index.html
A European study has also linked genes, blood type with risk of severe coronavirus infection
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/coronavirus-genes-blood-type-study/index.html
ReggiePoet said:
The only curve that matters is to me how the death rate changes over time--there are too many differing methods for interpreting what constitutes a new "case" and some states even equate contacts with cases. It stands to reason that, after the fact, the death curve will tell us what the case curve really looked like. So I thought, if we look at the death curve from the beginning to date, what would it tell us?
(Bear with me. I am an engineer. I don't think like normal people.)
The ADHS reports this data on their web site, and it does appear that Arizona has not flattened the death curve. BUT they admit that they have revised how they report the data over the period of interest.
That immediately makes me skeptical. I understand that there is often some question about what really caused a person's death, but changing how you collect the data over time makes any graph of it meaningless. In my mind, the obvious answer to isolate the real number of deaths due to covid is statistically. I am, after all, an engineer.
Here is how I would do it: you look at the number of deaths expected in a particular week by taking an average that for that same week in prior years. Compare the actual number of deaths this year in that week vs. what was expected, as a percentage. If we assume the effect of regularly occurring seasonal causes stay relatively similar over time (eg the common flu and such) then any change would most likely be due to covid.
The reason to compute it as a percentage is because there are known seasonal variations in the death rate. Comparing like weeks, year to year, on a rolling average, takes this into account and translates the baseline to 100% all the time.
Unfortunately, I could find no such data for Arizona... But the CDC does in fact report that on a national level:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
If you look closely at the first table on that page, they have provided exactly what I was looking for in column 4, the percent of expected deaths compared to prior years. As a percentage, in this case on a weekly basis.
In a normal year, that column would read near 100% all the way down, having already accounted for the average effect of all causes. (Remember the effect for covid is zero in prior years, because we think it is new this year.)
This year there was a indeed a strong peak... But it was in the middle of April!
That is important. The footnote warns that recent data is under reported, and isn't complete until about 8 weeks later. That means folks with tin-foil hats should not follow the data in most recent 8 weeks. But that means the data is good up until mid-May, which is well past the peak in April. In fact, the death rate had fallen by half in that interval.
We cannot definitively determine if any of the measures taken, including the lockdowns, helped flatten the curve. We can definitively say that we are well past the peak three months ago as a nation and are coasting down the back side.
Is this helpful? Or did I lose everybody?
Very helpful Reggie thank you
Your explanation was very clear especially since I am not wired as an engineer would be
Do you feel there will be three global waves (conspiracy) if so I assume each peak would have a higher or lower threshold than the first peak we have experienced.
If the second wave were more deadly than the first that could not necessarily be attributed to precautions taken but to the morphing of the virus per our actions correct?
It is similar in theory but different whereas our actions caused mutation vs mutation caused our actions
The only curve that matters is to me how the death rate changes over time--there are too many differing methods for interpreting what constitutes a new "case" and some states even equate contacts with cases. It stands to reason that, after the fact, the death curve will tell us what the case curve really looked like. So I thought, if we look at the death curve from the beginning to date, what would it tell us?
(Bear with me. I am an engineer. I don't think like normal people.)
The ADHS reports this data on their web site, and it does appear that Arizona has not flattened the death curve. BUT they admit that they have revised how they report the data over the period of interest.
That immediately makes me skeptical. I understand that there is often some question about what really caused a person's death, but changing how you collect the data over time makes any graph of it meaningless. In my mind, the obvious answer to isolate the real number of deaths due to covid is statistically. I am, after all, an engineer.
Here is how I would do it: you look at the number of deaths expected in a particular week by taking an average that for that same week in prior years. Compare the actual number of deaths this year in that week vs. what was expected, as a percentage. If we assume the effect of regularly occurring seasonal causes stay relatively similar over time (eg the common flu and such) then any change would most likely be due to covid.
The reason to compute it as a percentage is because there are known seasonal variations in the death rate. Comparing like weeks, year to year, on a rolling average, takes this into account and translates the baseline to 100% all the time.
Unfortunately, I could find no such data for Arizona... But the CDC does in fact report that on a national level:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
If you look closely at the first table on that page, they have provided exactly what I was looking for in column 4, the percent of expected deaths compared to prior years. As a percentage, in this case on a weekly basis.
In a normal year, that column would read near 100% all the way down, having already accounted for the average effect of all causes. (Remember the effect for covid is zero in prior years, because we think it is new this year.)
This year there was a indeed a strong peak... But it was in the middle of April!
That is important. The footnote warns that recent data is under reported, and isn't complete until about 8 weeks later. That means folks with tin-foil hats should not follow the data in most recent 8 weeks. But that means the data is good up until mid-May, which is well past the peak in April. In fact, the death rate had fallen by half in that interval.
We cannot definitively determine if any of the measures taken, including the lockdowns, helped flatten the curve. We can definitively say that we are well past the peak three months ago as a nation and are coasting down the back side.
Is this helpful? Or did I lose everybody?
Very helpful Reggie thank you
Your explanation was very clear especially since I am not wired as an engineer would be
Do you feel there will be three global waves (conspiracy) if so I assume each peak would have a higher or lower threshold than the first peak we have experienced.
If the second wave were more deadly than the first that could not necessarily be attributed to precautions taken but to the morphing of the virus per our actions correct?
It is similar in theory but different whereas our actions caused mutation vs mutation caused our actions
Ahavati said:I have always been fascinated with blood and thusly types. I did a major study in college on the migration and evolution of blood types. What was even more shocking was where that research led me, i.e. - down a path of self-discovery regarding the lost tribe of Israel and the Cherokee Nation. I even participated in the 'Eat Right for Your Type' study done when the book was being published, and it really worked.
"The Blood is the Life"
Since you mentioned it...;)
Israel = 541
Lost = 7
Tribe = 54
= 602
Yet , we have a column of symbols , that equals 603 ;
That column , makes the shape , when fit together ,
of the human skeleton , or muscular system , and
as not 602 , yet one the "other way" from 603 :
Blood = 604
Yet :
We must remember , the original name was not
Cherokee , yet , Tsalagi ;
"'Cherokee' is Creek for 'people with another language"
So :
Upright / Stature = 151
People = 340
Tsalagi = 111
= 602
However , further , the symbols in that column ,
make the Native shape of the eight pointed star ,
as well other sacred symbols used by the Tribe ,
and , as well make the shape and symbols on
the blankets , and pots ;
Interestingly , it is as well , the words :
Earth Renewal = 603 ( 291 + 312 )
And as the eight symbols in that column , deal
with the colors of the rainbow , though including
black , one of them that means :
"Horse / Human Body / Heart / Mother"
is the symbol for Red ;
Symbol in a column across from that , means :
"Ancestral Memory"
And :
Good = 17
Red = 244
Road = 275
+
Understanding = 67
= 603
Enough for now...
Hope that gives some something to think about...
One people , one language...underneath everything ,
and above...the tall tree , with deep roots !
"The Blood is the Life"
Since you mentioned it...;)
Israel = 541
Lost = 7
Tribe = 54
= 602
Yet , we have a column of symbols , that equals 603 ;
That column , makes the shape , when fit together ,
of the human skeleton , or muscular system , and
as not 602 , yet one the "other way" from 603 :
Blood = 604
Yet :
We must remember , the original name was not
Cherokee , yet , Tsalagi ;
"'Cherokee' is Creek for 'people with another language"
So :
Upright / Stature = 151
People = 340
Tsalagi = 111
= 602
However , further , the symbols in that column ,
make the Native shape of the eight pointed star ,
as well other sacred symbols used by the Tribe ,
and , as well make the shape and symbols on
the blankets , and pots ;
Interestingly , it is as well , the words :
Earth Renewal = 603 ( 291 + 312 )
And as the eight symbols in that column , deal
with the colors of the rainbow , though including
black , one of them that means :
"Horse / Human Body / Heart / Mother"
is the symbol for Red ;
Symbol in a column across from that , means :
"Ancestral Memory"
And :
Good = 17
Red = 244
Road = 275
+
Understanding = 67
= 603
Enough for now...
Hope that gives some something to think about...
One people , one language...underneath everything ,
and above...the tall tree , with deep roots !
Ahavati said:I have always been fascinated with blood and thusly types. I did a major study in college on the migration and evolution of blood types. What was even more shocking was where that research led me, i.e. - down a path of self-discovery regarding the lost tribe of Israel and the Cherokee Nation. I even participated in the 'Eat Right for Your Type' study done when the book was being published, and it really worked.
"The Blood is the Life"
A European study has also linked genes, blood type with risk of severe coronavirus infection
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/coronavirus-genes-blood-type-study/index.html
The issue with blood types and COVID was a concern of mine from the beginning with my husband's health putting him at greater risk.
The fact that he is A type as am I set off an alarm
He only wears a mask when mandatory
he doesn't social distance, back in March and April he was galavanting ( as best he could) anywhere he chose to.
His health conditions would have taken down a horse yet he still plugs on
This got me thinking, was he asyptomatic? Was he a carrier?
That would be against the odds or at least go against the blood type A being more susceptible theory
I believe in the blood type theory although the facts where my husband is concerned is puzzling
Eat Right 4 Your Type is the best way to eat I have to agree with that wholeheartedly
I followed that system of eating for many years still do mostly
You will lose weight without trying losing weight was not my goal at the time and I did lose more than I wanted down to 105 at one point but after about a year my body came into it's own and balanced itself and it seemed I began to carry my weight differently than before.
The system is stress free and health conscious love the way it works
"The Blood is the Life"
A European study has also linked genes, blood type with risk of severe coronavirus infection
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/coronavirus-genes-blood-type-study/index.html
The issue with blood types and COVID was a concern of mine from the beginning with my husband's health putting him at greater risk.
The fact that he is A type as am I set off an alarm
He only wears a mask when mandatory
he doesn't social distance, back in March and April he was galavanting ( as best he could) anywhere he chose to.
His health conditions would have taken down a horse yet he still plugs on
This got me thinking, was he asyptomatic? Was he a carrier?
That would be against the odds or at least go against the blood type A being more susceptible theory
I believe in the blood type theory although the facts where my husband is concerned is puzzling
Eat Right 4 Your Type is the best way to eat I have to agree with that wholeheartedly
I followed that system of eating for many years still do mostly
You will lose weight without trying losing weight was not my goal at the time and I did lose more than I wanted down to 105 at one point but after about a year my body came into it's own and balanced itself and it seemed I began to carry my weight differently than before.
The system is stress free and health conscious love the way it works
Valeriyabeyond said:
Do you feel there will be three global waves (conspiracy) if so I assume each peak would have a higher or lower threshold than the first peak we have experienced.
If the second wave were more deadly than the first that could not necessarily be attributed to precautions taken but to the morphing of the virus per our actions correct?
It is similar in theory but different whereas our actions caused mutation vs mutation caused our actions
I have three responses to your questions. Notice I write "responses" not "answers" 'cause I'm not qualified to answer.
BASED ON DATA
I have not seen any data which leads me to form an opinion about whether there will be future peaks and, if there are, if they will be more or less severe.
BASED ON SCIENCE
I have tried to understand all the theories that have been put forth regarding the severity question. It is difficult because the M5M reporting is almost useless: Do you remember the news media reporting that the first peak in the United States happened back in April? I don't recall that ever being reported.
Of the theories I have read, I ignore the ones that seem to be based on politics or policy--which seem to be most of them.
I have tried to identify those based on science. I am not a subject matter expert, so my filter may well be wrong. They seem to fall into two categories. Note I am just summarizing what I have read here. I am not a subject matter expert and I might be wrong, so I express no opinion one way or another based on my reading.
An important point, that needs repeating, is that the nature of the virus itself will ultimately determine the severity. The effect of human behavior in the short term can only limit the spread of the virus, but has no effect on its severity. Long term, human behavior is irrelevant. At some point human culture has to come out of hiding or we all starve.
The two categories I mentioned relate to the source of the virus. Most of the theories seem to be variants of these two:
1. The source was a natural mutation in animals--> which means the virus naturally mutates and could indeed get more severe with time.
2. The source was due to human experimentation--> which means the virus will degrade with each reproductive cycle until it reverts to its original constituent properties.
Theory 1 is by far the most popular. That's the way viruses of the past have come about. The problem I have with that theory right now is lack of evidence. I have found reports about many corona viruses in various species of animals, but I have not found a report where they have found the actual Covid-19 virus in an animal yet. It has certainly been *implied* that such an animal was found, but I have not found an actual report of it. Show me the animal!
I hope theory 1 is wrong! It means the human race might be screwed!
Theory 2 is much less popular, and variations of this theory get into tin-hat territory. I don't think its basis should be dismissed.
There are really two branches of this theory: One is that the virus was born from weapons research, to make a bio-weapon. The other is that the virus originated from basic virology research to improve existing vaccine technology or to discover a vaccine for some other disease such as HIV. It does not matter why the research was taking place, the result would be the same. Viruses created by artificially splicing genetic material are useful because they speed up the research. They can be very dangerous, but they are not stable. They degrade quickly with each reproduction cycle until they die out or else revert to the original virus' attributes.
I much prefer theory 2, as we just have to wait it out. It will grow weak and not be a problem.
Of course, wishful thinking will not save us.
BASED ON MY OWN TIN HAT -- This is the fun part!
I do indeed have my own tin hat. I am a firm believer in something I call the CONSERVATION OF CORRUPTION. Like momentum, energy, and many other physical attributes, I believe humans are fundamentally corrupt. You can't stop corruption. You can enforce rules to drive corruption out of one area of our existence, but it just moves to another area. The elites of our world control everything because they understand this principle. The real political battles are between those elites, vying against each other, and we'll never know who they really are or who is winning at any given point in time. The political systems we see are manifestations of those battles, but are illusory.
Given that perspective, I look for clues in media reports of what they really know but aren't telling us. I assume that President Trump is getting a very filtered and limited glimpse of what the Covid-19 task force know but are not telling US. In other words, he is being treated like a useful idiot!
If so, then the "useful idiot" has made several statements in press conferences that were ridiculed in the press but may have been based on the fact that he has been partially read-in on the truth.
1. His comments on Hydroxychloroquine -- after he mentioned it, a report came out saying it actually made things worse. Since then, the report has been completely discredited and its authors withdrew it as fundamentally flawed. The media covered the report heavily when it was published but barely mentioned when it was withdrawn.
2. His comments that this will "magically disappear by fall" -- this could be a naive interpretation theory 2
3. Conflict with the World Health Organization -- Trump announced the USA will withdraw from the WHO. Why? Perhaps he knows that the Chinese were doing virus research on a contract basis for the WHO, working to create an HIVvirus [edit] I meant vaccine, because so called "Gain-of-Function" research is a shortcut that is frowned upon, or outright banned, in the west.
I am just having fun here, looking for patterns regarding theory 2. If that is what happened, then I am convinced that we "normal people" will never know. If the elites know, or find out, we will never be told.
Do you feel there will be three global waves (conspiracy) if so I assume each peak would have a higher or lower threshold than the first peak we have experienced.
If the second wave were more deadly than the first that could not necessarily be attributed to precautions taken but to the morphing of the virus per our actions correct?
It is similar in theory but different whereas our actions caused mutation vs mutation caused our actions
I have three responses to your questions. Notice I write "responses" not "answers" 'cause I'm not qualified to answer.
BASED ON DATA
I have not seen any data which leads me to form an opinion about whether there will be future peaks and, if there are, if they will be more or less severe.
BASED ON SCIENCE
I have tried to understand all the theories that have been put forth regarding the severity question. It is difficult because the M5M reporting is almost useless: Do you remember the news media reporting that the first peak in the United States happened back in April? I don't recall that ever being reported.
Of the theories I have read, I ignore the ones that seem to be based on politics or policy--which seem to be most of them.
I have tried to identify those based on science. I am not a subject matter expert, so my filter may well be wrong. They seem to fall into two categories. Note I am just summarizing what I have read here. I am not a subject matter expert and I might be wrong, so I express no opinion one way or another based on my reading.
An important point, that needs repeating, is that the nature of the virus itself will ultimately determine the severity. The effect of human behavior in the short term can only limit the spread of the virus, but has no effect on its severity. Long term, human behavior is irrelevant. At some point human culture has to come out of hiding or we all starve.
The two categories I mentioned relate to the source of the virus. Most of the theories seem to be variants of these two:
1. The source was a natural mutation in animals--> which means the virus naturally mutates and could indeed get more severe with time.
2. The source was due to human experimentation--> which means the virus will degrade with each reproductive cycle until it reverts to its original constituent properties.
Theory 1 is by far the most popular. That's the way viruses of the past have come about. The problem I have with that theory right now is lack of evidence. I have found reports about many corona viruses in various species of animals, but I have not found a report where they have found the actual Covid-19 virus in an animal yet. It has certainly been *implied* that such an animal was found, but I have not found an actual report of it. Show me the animal!
I hope theory 1 is wrong! It means the human race might be screwed!
Theory 2 is much less popular, and variations of this theory get into tin-hat territory. I don't think its basis should be dismissed.
There are really two branches of this theory: One is that the virus was born from weapons research, to make a bio-weapon. The other is that the virus originated from basic virology research to improve existing vaccine technology or to discover a vaccine for some other disease such as HIV. It does not matter why the research was taking place, the result would be the same. Viruses created by artificially splicing genetic material are useful because they speed up the research. They can be very dangerous, but they are not stable. They degrade quickly with each reproduction cycle until they die out or else revert to the original virus' attributes.
I much prefer theory 2, as we just have to wait it out. It will grow weak and not be a problem.
Of course, wishful thinking will not save us.
BASED ON MY OWN TIN HAT -- This is the fun part!
I do indeed have my own tin hat. I am a firm believer in something I call the CONSERVATION OF CORRUPTION. Like momentum, energy, and many other physical attributes, I believe humans are fundamentally corrupt. You can't stop corruption. You can enforce rules to drive corruption out of one area of our existence, but it just moves to another area. The elites of our world control everything because they understand this principle. The real political battles are between those elites, vying against each other, and we'll never know who they really are or who is winning at any given point in time. The political systems we see are manifestations of those battles, but are illusory.
Given that perspective, I look for clues in media reports of what they really know but aren't telling us. I assume that President Trump is getting a very filtered and limited glimpse of what the Covid-19 task force know but are not telling US. In other words, he is being treated like a useful idiot!
If so, then the "useful idiot" has made several statements in press conferences that were ridiculed in the press but may have been based on the fact that he has been partially read-in on the truth.
1. His comments on Hydroxychloroquine -- after he mentioned it, a report came out saying it actually made things worse. Since then, the report has been completely discredited and its authors withdrew it as fundamentally flawed. The media covered the report heavily when it was published but barely mentioned when it was withdrawn.
2. His comments that this will "magically disappear by fall" -- this could be a naive interpretation theory 2
3. Conflict with the World Health Organization -- Trump announced the USA will withdraw from the WHO. Why? Perhaps he knows that the Chinese were doing virus research on a contract basis for the WHO, working to create an HIV
I am just having fun here, looking for patterns regarding theory 2. If that is what happened, then I am convinced that we "normal people" will never know. If the elites know, or find out, we will never be told.
ReggiePoet said:
I have three responses to your questions. Notice I write "responses" not "answers" 'cause I'm not qualified to answer.
BASED ON DATA
I have not seen any data which leads me to form an opinion about whether there will be future peaks and, if there are, if they will be more or less severe.
BASED ON SCIENCE
I have tried to understand all the theories that have been put forth regarding the severity question. It is difficult because the M5M reporting is almost useless: Do you remember the news media reporting that the first peak in the United States happened back in April? I don't recall that ever being reported.
Of the theories I have read, I ignore the ones that seem to be based on politics or policy--which seem to be most of them.
I have tried to identify those based on science. I am not a subject matter expert, so my filter may well be wrong. They seem to fall into two categories. Note I am just summarizing what I have read here. I am not a subject matter expert and I might be wrong, so I express no opinion one way or another based on my reading.
An important point, that needs repeating, is that the nature of the virus itself will ultimately determine the severity. The effect of human behavior in the short term can only limit the spread of the virus, but has no effect on its severity. Long term, human behavior is irrelevant. At some point human culture has to come out of hiding or we all starve.
The two categories I mentioned relate to the source of the virus. Most of the theories seem to be variants of these two:
1. The source was a natural mutation in animals--> which means the virus naturally mutates and could indeed get more severe with time.
2. The source was due to human experimentation--> which means the virus will degrade with each reproductive cycle until it reverts to its original constituent properties.
Theory 1 is by far the most popular. That's the way viruses of the past have come about. The problem I have with that theory right now is lack of evidence. I have found reports about many corona viruses in various species of animals, but I have not found a report where they have found the actual Covid-19 virus in an animal yet. It has certainly been *implied* that such an animal was found, but I have not found an actual report of it. Show me the animal!
I hope theory 1 is wrong! It means the human race might be screwed!
Theory 2 is much less popular, and variations of this theory get into tin-hat territory. I don't think its basis should be dismissed.
There are really two branches of this theory: One is that the virus was born from weapons research, to make a bio-weapon. The other is that the virus originated from basic virology research to improve existing vaccine technology or to discover a vaccine for some other disease such as HIV. It does not matter why the research was taking place, the result would be the same. Viruses created by artificially splicing genetic material are useful because they speed up the research. They can be very dangerous, but they are not stable. They degrade quickly with each reproduction cycle until they die out or else revert to the original virus' attributes.
I much prefer theory 2, as we just have to wait it out. It will grow weak and not be a problem.
Of course, wishful thinking will not save us.
BASED ON MY OWN TIN HAT -- This is the fun part!
I do indeed have my own tin hat. I am a firm believer in something I call the CONSERVATION OF CORRUPTION. Like momentum, energy, and many other physical attributes, I believe humans are fundamentally corrupt. You can't stop corruption. You can enforce rules to drive corruption out of one area of our existence, but it just moves to another area. The elites of our world control everything because they understand this principle. The real political battles are between those elites, vying against each other, and we'll never know who they really are or who is winning at any given point in time. The political systems we see are manifestations of those battles, but are illusory.
Given that perspective, I look for clues in media reports of what they really know but aren't telling us. I assume that President Trump is getting a very filtered and limited glimpse of what the Covid-19 task force know but are not telling US. In other words, he is being treated like a useful idiot!
If so, then the "useful idiot" has made several statements in press conferences that were ridiculed in the press but may have been based on the fact that he has been partially read-in on the truth.
1. His comments on Hydroxychloroquine -- after he mentioned it, a report came out saying it actually made things worse. Since then, the report has been completely discredited and its authors withdrew it as fundamentally flawed. The media covered the report heavily when it was published but barely mentioned when it was withdrawn.
2. His comments that this will "magically disappear by fall" -- this could be a naive interpretation theory 2
3. Conflict with the World Health Organization -- Trump announced the USA will withdraw from the WHO. Why? Perhaps he knows that the Chinese were doing virus research on a contract basis for the WHO, working to create an HIV
I am just having fun here, looking for patterns regarding theory 2. If that is what happened, then I am convinced that we "normal people" will never know. If the elites know, or find out, we will never be told.
Interesting response Reggie
Your theories carry or hold alot of weight especially the ones concerning Trump
The fact that he looks and acts like a boob is a huge clue as to what is really going on
The space program he claims is his passion or his baby is concealed behind a curious curtain
As far as the virus goes his reaction appears to be staged his personality type may not allow him to be the biggest boob on the planet unless the outcome would benefit him
Money would not be a good lure for him yes he loves money as much as life itself but that wouldn't be enough for him because he knows commerce very well and that wouldn't give him the hard on that he would need to carry out the falsities or the image he has created over this pandemic.
The fact that the virus is real the circus surrounding it is just that a circus developed to keep our eyes on the ground focused on life or death, win or lose. Our perception is leaning towards Government support Big brother mutating into our Daddy
The monetary system is already being shifted into a new system no one talks about it
The pedo ring is huge right now but no one talks about it
There is always some truth behind every conspiracy it's our discernment surrounding what we hear and how we perceive ve it that will get me us answers
"Control Human Perception Control The Human
BW, I appreciate the effort, but I must admit that all that numerical stuff hurts my brain when I try to read it. Hopefully others will garner the wisdom you are attempting to share with me.
I understand the universal language is mathematics; however, I'm just not at the place to learn it yet.
Valeriyabeyond said:
The issue with blood types and COVID was a concern of mine from the beginning with my husband's health putting him at greater risk.
The fact that he is A type as am I set off an alarm
He only wears a mask when mandatory
he doesn't social distance, back in March and April he was galavanting ( as best he could) anywhere he chose to.
His health conditions would have taken down a horse yet he still plugs on
This got me thinking, was he asyptomatic? Was he a carrier?
That would be against the odds or at least go against the blood type A being more susceptible theory
I believe in the blood type theory although the facts where my husband is concerned is puzzling
I've often wondered if people like him have an innate death wish, Val. They gamble with danger like it's a game, not realizing they could very well lose.
Eat Right 4 Your Type is the best way to eat I have to agree with that wholeheartedly
I followed that system of eating for many years still do mostly
You will lose weight without trying losing weight was not my goal at the time and I did lose more than I wanted down to 105 at one point but after about a year my body came into it's own and balanced itself and it seemed I began to carry my weight differently than before.
The system is stress free and health conscious love the way it works
That's a great book; I still have it in my library. I found it very interesting that certain foods I naturally had an aversion to were the worst that could be eaten for my type ( B + ), and vice-a-versa, i.e. - my favorite sandwich ( when I was a carnivore ) was cold lamb and stone-ground, spicy mustard ( both of which were good for me ). I agree with you that one feels much lighter when they follow the plan for their type.
We will know more about our school district and whether it will open or not next week when they meet; but I am ordering my G'precious' desk now to set up his little classroom. Regardless of what they decide, it's almost certain that they will only be in class a few days a week and remote learning the rest.
It's all a total mess. My heart to those who have no family or friends that can take theirs. Especially when both have to work to survive.
I understand the universal language is mathematics; however, I'm just not at the place to learn it yet.
Valeriyabeyond said:
The issue with blood types and COVID was a concern of mine from the beginning with my husband's health putting him at greater risk.
The fact that he is A type as am I set off an alarm
He only wears a mask when mandatory
he doesn't social distance, back in March and April he was galavanting ( as best he could) anywhere he chose to.
His health conditions would have taken down a horse yet he still plugs on
This got me thinking, was he asyptomatic? Was he a carrier?
That would be against the odds or at least go against the blood type A being more susceptible theory
I believe in the blood type theory although the facts where my husband is concerned is puzzling
I've often wondered if people like him have an innate death wish, Val. They gamble with danger like it's a game, not realizing they could very well lose.
Eat Right 4 Your Type is the best way to eat I have to agree with that wholeheartedly
I followed that system of eating for many years still do mostly
You will lose weight without trying losing weight was not my goal at the time and I did lose more than I wanted down to 105 at one point but after about a year my body came into it's own and balanced itself and it seemed I began to carry my weight differently than before.
The system is stress free and health conscious love the way it works
That's a great book; I still have it in my library. I found it very interesting that certain foods I naturally had an aversion to were the worst that could be eaten for my type ( B + ), and vice-a-versa, i.e. - my favorite sandwich ( when I was a carnivore ) was cold lamb and stone-ground, spicy mustard ( both of which were good for me ). I agree with you that one feels much lighter when they follow the plan for their type.
We will know more about our school district and whether it will open or not next week when they meet; but I am ordering my G'precious' desk now to set up his little classroom. Regardless of what they decide, it's almost certain that they will only be in class a few days a week and remote learning the rest.
It's all a total mess. My heart to those who have no family or friends that can take theirs. Especially when both have to work to survive.
