Coronavirus ( Covid-19) Part II
Anonymous
ReggiePoet said:
Perhaps there would less exasperation if you consider why so many folks in the USA seem to be rebelling against the guidelines. If we don't assume malicious intent or ignorant arrogance, and look at the data, I think it might shed some light on why so many seem to have that attitude.
Many have died from covid, but not everywhere. This is a misconception the USA mainstream media should address, but choose to remain silent.
In some states, people are not dying in extrodinary numbers at all, regardless of cause of death. According to the CDC data , for the covid-19 period defined as starting 01-Feb-2020 to date, the number of deaths for all causes are within +/- 5% of the running average for the same period in prior years in 32 states of the USA! And some of those are showing no statistical difference from prior years at all. A few are even lower!
You can't blame people living in those regions for being skeptical of our news media reporting, when it doesn't track to the daily experience in their own communities. They don't see the effect of covid-19, except in terms on crippling government response on their freedom and livelihoods, and the CDC data I quoted above bears out why they don't.
I am surprised that refusing to wear masks is the limit of their response. If this were 1776, muskets would be blazin'!
You make several good points, but without the lockdowns we've had so far in the U.S., the infection rate and amount of deaths would be greater in all areas coast to coast.
Hundreds of thousands of people in densely populated areas self quarantining as opposed to socializing and traveling at will prevented millions more from becoming infected.
Those millions of uninfected people did not infect thousands of millions.
There are roughly 331,000,000 people in the U.S.
That's just common sense.
Now that the infection rate is skyrocketing? It will be a different story when it hits closer to home.
I do feel for people who are genuinely struggling with loss of income. Their distress is real.
Again, my exasperation is with people beating a dead horse even deader with copy paste because they are months behind in a conversation they aren't even paying attention to.
Perhaps there would less exasperation if you consider why so many folks in the USA seem to be rebelling against the guidelines. If we don't assume malicious intent or ignorant arrogance, and look at the data, I think it might shed some light on why so many seem to have that attitude.
Many have died from covid, but not everywhere. This is a misconception the USA mainstream media should address, but choose to remain silent.
In some states, people are not dying in extrodinary numbers at all, regardless of cause of death. According to the CDC data , for the covid-19 period defined as starting 01-Feb-2020 to date, the number of deaths for all causes are within +/- 5% of the running average for the same period in prior years in 32 states of the USA! And some of those are showing no statistical difference from prior years at all. A few are even lower!
You can't blame people living in those regions for being skeptical of our news media reporting, when it doesn't track to the daily experience in their own communities. They don't see the effect of covid-19, except in terms on crippling government response on their freedom and livelihoods, and the CDC data I quoted above bears out why they don't.
I am surprised that refusing to wear masks is the limit of their response. If this were 1776, muskets would be blazin'!
You make several good points, but without the lockdowns we've had so far in the U.S., the infection rate and amount of deaths would be greater in all areas coast to coast.
Hundreds of thousands of people in densely populated areas self quarantining as opposed to socializing and traveling at will prevented millions more from becoming infected.
Those millions of uninfected people did not infect thousands of millions.
There are roughly 331,000,000 people in the U.S.
That's just common sense.
Now that the infection rate is skyrocketing? It will be a different story when it hits closer to home.
I do feel for people who are genuinely struggling with loss of income. Their distress is real.
Again, my exasperation is with people beating a dead horse even deader with copy paste because they are months behind in a conversation they aren't even paying attention to.
JohnnyBlaze said:
That's lovely.
Meanwhile, in the United States, hospitals of filling up to maximum capacity. Beds become available when patients infected with Covid 19 die. Supplies are running low. Healthcare workers are exhausted.
Wearing a mask in public and spending less time in crowded places reduces risk of infection.
Have a nice day.
Meanwhile in the United States, hospitals THERE ARE nurses with hidden cameras who are showing what is really happening
Have a Nice Life
That's lovely.
Meanwhile, in the United States, hospitals of filling up to maximum capacity. Beds become available when patients infected with Covid 19 die. Supplies are running low. Healthcare workers are exhausted.
Wearing a mask in public and spending less time in crowded places reduces risk of infection.
Have a nice day.
Meanwhile in the United States, hospitals THERE ARE nurses with hidden cameras who are showing what is really happening
Have a Nice Life
Florida officials admit counting MOTORCYCLE death as Covid-19 fatality, remove it from list after media scrutiny
19 Jul, 2020 03:52 / Updated 4 hours ago
Officials in Orange County, Florida have confirmed that a motor accident death was initially included into the coronavirus death toll. It was later struck off the list, but not until authorities were challenged by the media.
Florida Department of Health in Orange County announced on Saturday that it no longer counts the death of a man aged in his 20s in a motorcycle accident as a coronavirus fatality.
The case “was reviewed and he was taken off the list for Covid fatalities,” Kent Donahue, spokesman for Orange County Health Officer Dr Raul Pino, told Fox35, which initially broke the story after perusing lists of official Covid-19 victims provided by the state.
UK halts daily Covid-19 death updates over possible ‘distortions’ of daily mortality rate
In its report on Thursday, the Fox News subsidiary said that they stumbled upon several oddities when combing through the data, and decided to confront Pino about the deaths of two young individuals in their 20s that stood out from the rest.
Perhaps to their surprise, journalists got a straight-up admission from Pino that the death was included into the coronavirus toll in an apparent blunder.
“The first one didn’t have any... the first one, he died in a motorcycle accident,” he said. When asked whether the county removed the man’s death off the list of Covid-19 fatalities, Pino raised even more eyebrows, saying that they “were arguing... with the state” about the issue.
“We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers. It’s 100… it doesn’t make any difference if it's 99. But the fact that the individual didn’t die from Covid-19… died in a crash.”
The official then appeared to backtrack on his initial comment, saying that one could theoretically argue that the fact that the man was Covid-19 positive could have led to the crash.
But you could actually argue that it could have been the Covid-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.
Orange County, meanwhile, set a new record in coronavirus deaths in a single day with as many as 14 fatalities having been reported on Saturday. Its previous record was nine lethal cases within 24 hours. Nearby Marion County also broke its own record for a single-day Covid-19 death toll, reporting eight fatalities.
Overall, Florida reported 10,327 positive coronavirus cases on Saturday, bringing the total number of infections in the state to 337,568, including 4,895 who died from the virus.
THERE might be 10,327 positive coronavirus cases
or maybe not
the total number of infections in the state to 337,568,
including thousands who died from anything
HAHAHA
19 Jul, 2020 03:52 / Updated 4 hours ago
Officials in Orange County, Florida have confirmed that a motor accident death was initially included into the coronavirus death toll. It was later struck off the list, but not until authorities were challenged by the media.
Florida Department of Health in Orange County announced on Saturday that it no longer counts the death of a man aged in his 20s in a motorcycle accident as a coronavirus fatality.
The case “was reviewed and he was taken off the list for Covid fatalities,” Kent Donahue, spokesman for Orange County Health Officer Dr Raul Pino, told Fox35, which initially broke the story after perusing lists of official Covid-19 victims provided by the state.
UK halts daily Covid-19 death updates over possible ‘distortions’ of daily mortality rate
In its report on Thursday, the Fox News subsidiary said that they stumbled upon several oddities when combing through the data, and decided to confront Pino about the deaths of two young individuals in their 20s that stood out from the rest.
Perhaps to their surprise, journalists got a straight-up admission from Pino that the death was included into the coronavirus toll in an apparent blunder.
“The first one didn’t have any... the first one, he died in a motorcycle accident,” he said. When asked whether the county removed the man’s death off the list of Covid-19 fatalities, Pino raised even more eyebrows, saying that they “were arguing... with the state” about the issue.
“We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers. It’s 100… it doesn’t make any difference if it's 99. But the fact that the individual didn’t die from Covid-19… died in a crash.”
The official then appeared to backtrack on his initial comment, saying that one could theoretically argue that the fact that the man was Covid-19 positive could have led to the crash.
But you could actually argue that it could have been the Covid-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.
Orange County, meanwhile, set a new record in coronavirus deaths in a single day with as many as 14 fatalities having been reported on Saturday. Its previous record was nine lethal cases within 24 hours. Nearby Marion County also broke its own record for a single-day Covid-19 death toll, reporting eight fatalities.
Overall, Florida reported 10,327 positive coronavirus cases on Saturday, bringing the total number of infections in the state to 337,568, including 4,895 who died from the virus.
THERE might be 10,327 positive coronavirus cases
or maybe not
the total number of infections in the state to 337,568,
including thousands who died from anything
HAHAHA
Anonymous
drone said:
Meanwhile in the United States, hospitals THERE ARE nurses with hidden cameras who are showing what is really happening
Have a Nice Life
I don't doubt that a few nurses secretly made some videos in a handful of hospitals across the entire United States.
drone said:THERE might be 10,327 positive coronavirus cases
or maybe not
the total number of infections in the state to 337,568,
including thousands who died from anything
HAHAHA
The bold texted portion says all we need to know about how invested you are in the subject.
Meanwhile in the United States, hospitals THERE ARE nurses with hidden cameras who are showing what is really happening
Have a Nice Life
I don't doubt that a few nurses secretly made some videos in a handful of hospitals across the entire United States.
drone said:THERE might be 10,327 positive coronavirus cases
or maybe not
the total number of infections in the state to 337,568,
including thousands who died from anything
HAHAHA
The bold texted portion says all we need to know about how invested you are in the subject.
https://www.facebook.com/1153316510/posts/3696467970367908/?substory_index=10&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
evolution of lockdown, second wave
evolution of lockdown, second wave
Why Do People Believe Covid-19 Conspiracies
Maybe it's because
the normal flu virus
went on holiday
leaving no forwarding address
Maybe it's because
their track record
on lieing to us
is pretty good
AND Maybe
it's because
there is no photo's
or videos
from inside these hospitals
that are
overwhelmed
with thousands of people
ill or dead
as we know
these news channels
love to show these things
but they do not
why is that
Strange
And the nail in the coffin
is
WHY is there
no open honest debate
Between the for
and against
with scientists and doctors
who have the same bits of paper
nailed to their wall
so we the people
can use our own logical reasoning
and not be told or spoon fed
that it's true
by those
who's track record
on lieing
is pretty good
Does anyone recall
a few years back
when we were told
we have to wash our hands
every time we touch some thing
and when other doctors
said if you wash your hands
all the time
you can get even more
infections
what did they say
HAHAHA
SAD
Maybe it's because
the normal flu virus
went on holiday
leaving no forwarding address
Maybe it's because
their track record
on lieing to us
is pretty good
AND Maybe
it's because
there is no photo's
or videos
from inside these hospitals
that are
overwhelmed
with thousands of people
ill or dead
as we know
these news channels
love to show these things
but they do not
why is that
Strange
And the nail in the coffin
is
WHY is there
no open honest debate
Between the for
and against
with scientists and doctors
who have the same bits of paper
nailed to their wall
so we the people
can use our own logical reasoning
and not be told or spoon fed
that it's true
by those
who's track record
on lieing
is pretty good
Does anyone recall
a few years back
when we were told
we have to wash our hands
every time we touch some thing
and when other doctors
said if you wash your hands
all the time
you can get even more
infections
what did they say
HAHAHA
SAD
Anonymous
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JohnnyBlaze said:
The bold texted portion says all we need to know about how invested you are in the subject.
Not to mention blatant disrespect for those who have died, as well as their families who are suffering the loss. Which is why I refuse to read his posts any longer; I step right over them.
And this bears a repost here. It was a response to runaway_mindtrain in the Freedom of Expression thread:
Ahavati said:
Firstly, thank you for being respectful. I appreciate it.
Secondly, I understand what you are saying; however, will point out that yes, we ( and I am referring to the U.S. ) did lock down during the 1918 pandemic: it saved thousands of lives. This is nothing new, except to the younger generation who may never have heard of such. Furthermore, I have seen both sides, the compliant and the rebel take their compliance and/or rebellion too far. While silence may be considered consent; anarchy creates undue damage and suffering.
Lastly, this virus is real. Regardless of whether or not it was lab-created or it's the Mother's way of administering natural selection; it's real. Whether or not the stats have been under or over-reported; it's real. Some who have blatantly disrespected its power are still alive, while others are not. And we are talking younger individuals, not older.
My point ( the portion of my quote you selected to use ) is that while we here in the U.S. were bickering and fighting one another over what we would or would not do, New Zealand was locking down hard and tight. And while we here in the U.S. were still bickering and fighting one another over whose fault lack of action was and what course we should take, New Zealand was levelling the the curve. And while we here in the U.S. are arguing over facemasks and if school is going to start in the fall so we can get on with our lives, New Zealand flattened the curve, and is back in full swing with no restrictions whatsoever.
So, are you going to try to tell me that lockdowns don't work? They don't flatten the curve until eliminated completely? Where is New Zealand's spike in covid-19 because of lockdown destroying their immunities? Right. There wasn't one.
We have two global models. Which worked? Which was smart and which ignorant?
Which participants in this thread ( and Part I - including you and me ) were right about lockdowns? And who was wrong about fighting them because freedoms?
You can rebuild an economy; you can't bring back a human life that was someone's mother, father, sister, brother, and so forth. One need only look to New Zealand for living proof of that fact.
I get what you're saying, and we should all pay close attention to what the powers-that-be are creating in the form of smoke and mirrors ( particularly during this election ); however, we also need to open our eyes and see what has worked, and what has not. And honestly admit that fact despite our ego.
I'll tell you what happened to America and why we're in the position we're in vs enjoying liberty like New Zealand; our leadership ( fueled by 'Muricans terrified of losing a right ) deliberately stalled and filibustered to create the chaos we're experiencing. It's too late to lock down now; nope, that should've been done months ago and we'd be in the clear.
Despite what I believe to be that fact, we are here, now, in this moment. And STILL 'Muricans are bitching about their damn rights. The only poetic justice is that some are truly giving their lives, having disrespected something that had the power to kill them.
Am I happy they died? Of course not. My heart goes out to their families, who probably fueled their rebellion by support. I can't imagine the regret they're feeling, that had just minimum precautions been taken their loved one may still be alive. This thing might take me yet, but it won't be because I was ignorant and disrespected it. It will be because my days are up, and this is how I chose to exit.
The bold texted portion says all we need to know about how invested you are in the subject.
Not to mention blatant disrespect for those who have died, as well as their families who are suffering the loss. Which is why I refuse to read his posts any longer; I step right over them.
And this bears a repost here. It was a response to runaway_mindtrain in the Freedom of Expression thread:
Ahavati said:
Firstly, thank you for being respectful. I appreciate it.
Secondly, I understand what you are saying; however, will point out that yes, we ( and I am referring to the U.S. ) did lock down during the 1918 pandemic: it saved thousands of lives. This is nothing new, except to the younger generation who may never have heard of such. Furthermore, I have seen both sides, the compliant and the rebel take their compliance and/or rebellion too far. While silence may be considered consent; anarchy creates undue damage and suffering.
Lastly, this virus is real. Regardless of whether or not it was lab-created or it's the Mother's way of administering natural selection; it's real. Whether or not the stats have been under or over-reported; it's real. Some who have blatantly disrespected its power are still alive, while others are not. And we are talking younger individuals, not older.
My point ( the portion of my quote you selected to use ) is that while we here in the U.S. were bickering and fighting one another over what we would or would not do, New Zealand was locking down hard and tight. And while we here in the U.S. were still bickering and fighting one another over whose fault lack of action was and what course we should take, New Zealand was levelling the the curve. And while we here in the U.S. are arguing over facemasks and if school is going to start in the fall so we can get on with our lives, New Zealand flattened the curve, and is back in full swing with no restrictions whatsoever.
So, are you going to try to tell me that lockdowns don't work? They don't flatten the curve until eliminated completely? Where is New Zealand's spike in covid-19 because of lockdown destroying their immunities? Right. There wasn't one.
We have two global models. Which worked? Which was smart and which ignorant?
Which participants in this thread ( and Part I - including you and me ) were right about lockdowns? And who was wrong about fighting them because freedoms?
You can rebuild an economy; you can't bring back a human life that was someone's mother, father, sister, brother, and so forth. One need only look to New Zealand for living proof of that fact.
I get what you're saying, and we should all pay close attention to what the powers-that-be are creating in the form of smoke and mirrors ( particularly during this election ); however, we also need to open our eyes and see what has worked, and what has not. And honestly admit that fact despite our ego.
I'll tell you what happened to America and why we're in the position we're in vs enjoying liberty like New Zealand; our leadership ( fueled by 'Muricans terrified of losing a right ) deliberately stalled and filibustered to create the chaos we're experiencing. It's too late to lock down now; nope, that should've been done months ago and we'd be in the clear.
Despite what I believe to be that fact, we are here, now, in this moment. And STILL 'Muricans are bitching about their damn rights. The only poetic justice is that some are truly giving their lives, having disrespected something that had the power to kill them.
Am I happy they died? Of course not. My heart goes out to their families, who probably fueled their rebellion by support. I can't imagine the regret they're feeling, that had just minimum precautions been taken their loved one may still be alive. This thing might take me yet, but it won't be because I was ignorant and disrespected it. It will be because my days are up, and this is how I chose to exit.
lepperochan said:https://www.facebook.com/1153316510/posts/3696467970367908/?substory_index=10&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
evolution of lockdown, second wave
That is absolutely horrid! I was in tears at the G'grandmother and her daughter. WTH?! Why won't the police deliver the groceries to the door?!
That is absolutely ghastly. Those residents need to be reassured, not frightened more than they are. It's horrible and my heart goes out to them.
Australia should be ashamed.
evolution of lockdown, second wave
That is absolutely horrid! I was in tears at the G'grandmother and her daughter. WTH?! Why won't the police deliver the groceries to the door?!
That is absolutely ghastly. Those residents need to be reassured, not frightened more than they are. It's horrible and my heart goes out to them.
Australia should be ashamed.
Anonymous
Two short videos courtesy of ABC News mentioning a promising vaccine.
https://abcn.ws/2WCWxvE
https://abcn.ws/3fG2wXT
https://abcn.ws/2WCWxvE
https://abcn.ws/3fG2wXT
JohnnyBlaze said:Two short videos courtesy of ABC News mentioning a promising vaccine.
https://abcn.ws/2WCWxvE
https://abcn.ws/3fG2wXT
Very nice! Hopefully it will be released soon. Here's the study mentioned on the second video from South Korea regarding the transmission by children.
Older children spread the coronavirus just as much as adults, study finds
In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others.
A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than age 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10-19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.
“I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,” said Michael Osterholm, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota.
“There will be transmission,” Osterholm said. “What we have to do is accept that now and include that in our plans.”
Several studies from Europe and Asia have suggested that young children are less likely to get infected and to spread the virus. But most of those studies were small and flawed, said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.
The new study “is very carefully done, it’s systematic and looks at a very large population,” Jha said. “It’s one of the best studies we’ve had to date on this issue.”
Other experts also praised the scale and rigor of the analysis. South Korean researchers identified 5,706 people who were the first to report COVID-19 symptoms in their households between Jan. 20 and March 27, when schools were closed, and then traced the 59,073 contacts of these “index cases.” They tested all of the household contacts of each patient, regardless of symptoms, but only tested symptomatic contacts outside the household.
The first person in a household to develop symptoms is not necessarily the first to have been infected, and the researchers acknowledged this limitation. Children are also less likely than adults to show symptoms, so the study may have underestimated the number of children who set off the chain of transmission within their households.
Still, experts said the approach was reasonable. “It is also from a place with great contact tracing, done at the point interventions were being put in place,” said Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
Children under age 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies. That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.
Even so, the number of new infections seeded by children may rise when schools reopen, the study authors cautioned. “Young children may show higher attack rates when the school closure ends, contributing to community transmission of COVID-19,” they wrote. Other studies have also suggested that the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.
https://bdnews24.com/coronavirus-pandemic/2020/07/19/older-children-spread-the-coronavirus-just-as-much-as-adults-study-finds
https://abcn.ws/2WCWxvE
https://abcn.ws/3fG2wXT
Very nice! Hopefully it will be released soon. Here's the study mentioned on the second video from South Korea regarding the transmission by children.
Older children spread the coronavirus just as much as adults, study finds
In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others.
A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than age 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10-19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.
The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.
“I fear that there has been this sense that kids just won’t get infected or don’t get infected in the same way as adults and that, therefore, they’re almost like a bubbled population,” said Michael Osterholm, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota.
“There will be transmission,” Osterholm said. “What we have to do is accept that now and include that in our plans.”
Several studies from Europe and Asia have suggested that young children are less likely to get infected and to spread the virus. But most of those studies were small and flawed, said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.
The new study “is very carefully done, it’s systematic and looks at a very large population,” Jha said. “It’s one of the best studies we’ve had to date on this issue.”
Other experts also praised the scale and rigor of the analysis. South Korean researchers identified 5,706 people who were the first to report COVID-19 symptoms in their households between Jan. 20 and March 27, when schools were closed, and then traced the 59,073 contacts of these “index cases.” They tested all of the household contacts of each patient, regardless of symptoms, but only tested symptomatic contacts outside the household.
The first person in a household to develop symptoms is not necessarily the first to have been infected, and the researchers acknowledged this limitation. Children are also less likely than adults to show symptoms, so the study may have underestimated the number of children who set off the chain of transmission within their households.
Still, experts said the approach was reasonable. “It is also from a place with great contact tracing, done at the point interventions were being put in place,” said Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
Children under age 10 were roughly half as likely as adults to spread the virus to others, consistent with other studies. That may be because children generally exhale less air — and therefore less virus-laden air — or because they exhale that air closer to the ground, making it less likely that adults would breathe it in.
Even so, the number of new infections seeded by children may rise when schools reopen, the study authors cautioned. “Young children may show higher attack rates when the school closure ends, contributing to community transmission of COVID-19,” they wrote. Other studies have also suggested that the large number of contacts for schoolchildren, who interact with dozens of others for a good part of the day, may cancel out their smaller risk of infecting others.
https://bdnews24.com/coronavirus-pandemic/2020/07/19/older-children-spread-the-coronavirus-just-as-much-as-adults-study-finds
Anonymous
Ahavati said:Very nice! Hopefully it will be released soon. Here's the study mentioned on the second video from South Korea regarding the transmission by children.
Gawd.
And children just don't have the mindset to be diligent about hygiene and adhering to protocols. They're going to jam their fingers up their noses. They aren't going to wash their hands. It's a recipe for disaster.
Gawd.
And children just don't have the mindset to be diligent about hygiene and adhering to protocols. They're going to jam their fingers up their noses. They aren't going to wash their hands. It's a recipe for disaster.
JohnnyBlaze said:
Gawd.
And children just don't have the mindset to be diligent about hygiene and adhering to protocols. They're going to jam their fingers up their noses. They aren't going to wash their hands. It's a recipe for disaster.
Which is why I am considering home-schooling my G'precious until this is past us. Though there will always be the risk regardless.
Gawd.
And children just don't have the mindset to be diligent about hygiene and adhering to protocols. They're going to jam their fingers up their noses. They aren't going to wash their hands. It's a recipe for disaster.
Which is why I am considering home-schooling my G'precious until this is past us. Though there will always be the risk regardless.
Anonymous
