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"If the Native Americans, as one of the most suppressed and smallest minorities in this country can focus on #Blacklivesmatter, then why can't whites?"
if we already believe black lives matter, what then, because nobody on this thread has said they dont matter. so now where do we go. are we going to keep reminding ourselves why we believe it or are we going to talk about solutions and systemic racism in its entirety
talk about the congress men who voted for and voted down Bills which would have benefited communities or who voted for the huge tak breaks for the rich
talk about who the lobbyists who can achieve extraordinary things like the water in Flint and get away with it
cal them all out regardless of their ethintisity or age. dont let anyone get away ..kinda thing
if we already believe black lives matter, what then, because nobody on this thread has said they dont matter. so now where do we go. are we going to keep reminding ourselves why we believe it or are we going to talk about solutions and systemic racism in its entirety
talk about the congress men who voted for and voted down Bills which would have benefited communities or who voted for the huge tak breaks for the rich
talk about who the lobbyists who can achieve extraordinary things like the water in Flint and get away with it
cal them all out regardless of their ethintisity or age. dont let anyone get away ..kinda thing
I AM Unexpected
From between the cracks where I slipped
comes a small clear voice below a whisper
No one will see you and know how to
recognize what you are and need
but I will be with you in your obscurity
I will rise above you and will be your cloak
I Will overshadow you with unexpectedness
You will be the dark horse no one expects
In birth, in school, in prayer, in work, in politics
at home, abroad, online, in heart, in mind, on the grind
you will be unassisted, unsupported, forgotten, mocked, bullied, threatened
But your hope will be a Phoenix eternal
From between the cracks where I slipped
comes a small clear voice below a whisper
No one will see you and know how to
recognize what you are and need
but I will be with you in your obscurity
I will rise above you and will be your cloak
I Will overshadow you with unexpectedness
You will be the dark horse no one expects
In birth, in school, in prayer, in work, in politics
at home, abroad, online, in heart, in mind, on the grind
you will be unassisted, unsupported, forgotten, mocked, bullied, threatened
But your hope will be a Phoenix eternal
lepperochan said:"If the Native Americans, as one of the most suppressed and smallest minorities in this country can focus on #Blacklivesmatter, then why can't whites?"
if we already believe black lives matter, what then, because nobody on this thread has said they dont matter. so now where do we go. are we going to keep reminding ourselves why we believe it or are we going to talk about solutions and systemic racism in its entirety
talk about the congress men who voted for and voted down Bills which would have benefited communities or who voted for the huge tak breaks for the rich
talk about who the lobbyists who can achieve extraordinary things like the water in Flint and get away with it
cal them all out regardless of their ethintisity or age. dont let anyone get away ..kinda thing
Deflection ( and you are doing it ) from the issue to another is a common maneuver to avoid directly engaging in an issue without saying "I am against it!" You cannot tell me that hasn't been done repeatedly in this thread. It's typically ensued by a different topic, hoping the readers will focus on that topic and away from the actual issue. A prime example would be your response quoted above:
You have said that no one has directly disputed #Blacklivesmatter, so what now? Have we also identified the focus of that change as the institutionalized control by the majority of middle-aged white men? Have we not identified that the police need reform, and on top of that highlighted several issues and laws that need to change?
You keep judging what we're doing, but you're contributing nothing but judgement. Where are YOUR posts regarding lobbyists, and how they affect #Blacklivesmatter? Where are YOUR posts regarding the congressmen who voted down bills which affect minorities, including #Blacklivesmatter? Where are YOUR posts calling them out?
There are none because you're a sideline judge over those of us who have contributed and are attempting to maintain the focus on #Blacklivesmatter from the deflections, diversions, and attempts by white fragility to directly avoid the topic.
You can change that at any time, your honor. Respectfully, of course.
if we already believe black lives matter, what then, because nobody on this thread has said they dont matter. so now where do we go. are we going to keep reminding ourselves why we believe it or are we going to talk about solutions and systemic racism in its entirety
talk about the congress men who voted for and voted down Bills which would have benefited communities or who voted for the huge tak breaks for the rich
talk about who the lobbyists who can achieve extraordinary things like the water in Flint and get away with it
cal them all out regardless of their ethintisity or age. dont let anyone get away ..kinda thing
Deflection ( and you are doing it ) from the issue to another is a common maneuver to avoid directly engaging in an issue without saying "I am against it!" You cannot tell me that hasn't been done repeatedly in this thread. It's typically ensued by a different topic, hoping the readers will focus on that topic and away from the actual issue. A prime example would be your response quoted above:
You have said that no one has directly disputed #Blacklivesmatter, so what now? Have we also identified the focus of that change as the institutionalized control by the majority of middle-aged white men? Have we not identified that the police need reform, and on top of that highlighted several issues and laws that need to change?
You keep judging what we're doing, but you're contributing nothing but judgement. Where are YOUR posts regarding lobbyists, and how they affect #Blacklivesmatter? Where are YOUR posts regarding the congressmen who voted down bills which affect minorities, including #Blacklivesmatter? Where are YOUR posts calling them out?
There are none because you're a sideline judge over those of us who have contributed and are attempting to maintain the focus on #Blacklivesmatter from the deflections, diversions, and attempts by white fragility to directly avoid the topic.
You can change that at any time, your honor. Respectfully, of course.
I need to state , respectfully :
Tsalagi , is the *true* name for Cherokee...
If we wish to be correct
( no insult meant to anyone )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_language
Tsalagi , is the *true* name for Cherokee...
If we wish to be correct
( no insult meant to anyone )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_language
Anonymous
drop kick to the man recording Trump walking to that church.
My phone quality is better than the shit he had.
#justsayin
My phone quality is better than the shit he had.
#justsayin
Blackwolf said:I need to state , respectfully :
Tsalagi , is the *true* name for Cherokee...
If we wish to be correct
( no insult meant to anyone )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_language
Thank you for sharing that, Blackwolf; however, we're widely known and accepted as Cherokee. I am not posting in this thread to teach about the Cherokee Nation. I am posting in this thread to let readers know that the Cherokee Nation supports #Blacklivesmatter.
In other related news, the nation just removed Confederate monuments from Capitol Square in Tahlequah last week as directed by Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr., the Cherokee Nation announced.
In a press release, the Cherokee Nation said two monuments of Confederate Gen. Stand Watie were placed on Capitol Square nearly a century ago when the property was a county courthouse and owned by the state. The Cherokee Nation did not place the monuments, KOKI-TV reported.
“We’ve suffered for centuries with too many others telling our story for us as they see fit,” Hoskin said in a press release. “It’s difficult to tell our story when we have non-Indian-driven monuments talking about the Confederacy, when they greet people as they come into our Cherokee Nation museum. It was time for a change.”
Sometimes using the wide definition that people are familiar with is totally acceptable. As in the photo above, regarding the entrance to the reservation. There is of course an alternate monument in native language; however, even that is subtitled 'Cherokee Indian Reservation' for laymen.
Cherokee guilt at play, perhaps?
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/20/140630565/americas-2nd-largest-indian-tribe-expels-blacks
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/20/140630565/americas-2nd-largest-indian-tribe-expels-blacks
Ahavati said:
Sometimes using the wide definition that people are familiar with is totally acceptable.
I *am not* wanting to argue with you , Ahavati...
Too much of that is already going on...
But this is an example of a form of denigration ,
even perpetuated by those of mixed race itself
as many of the Tsalagi race themselves assert...
Cherokee was substituted for the original name...
The whole "Trail Of Tears" episode / reality was devastating...
https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears
So , I feel it is pertinent to the discussion , and the True name
should be used , as it is an insult to the original people...
I , myself , am part Tsalagi...and shall never use the name Cherokee
to determine my ancestry , as to me , that is an insult...
The modern day natives who do so , I consider traitors to the tribe...
It would be like a black person from Niger , allowing someone
to call them a "n***er , without stating the original name was
"Nniow - G'yer"...
I *am not* wanting to argue with you , or anyone...
I just need to be clear , from *my heart* in this thread...
This is important to *me*...it can not be dismissed...
Thank you for the post regarding the statues on Tsalagi land...
Sometimes using the wide definition that people are familiar with is totally acceptable.
I *am not* wanting to argue with you , Ahavati...
Too much of that is already going on...
But this is an example of a form of denigration ,
even perpetuated by those of mixed race itself
as many of the Tsalagi race themselves assert...
Cherokee was substituted for the original name...
The whole "Trail Of Tears" episode / reality was devastating...
https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears
So , I feel it is pertinent to the discussion , and the True name
should be used , as it is an insult to the original people...
I , myself , am part Tsalagi...and shall never use the name Cherokee
to determine my ancestry , as to me , that is an insult...
The modern day natives who do so , I consider traitors to the tribe...
It would be like a black person from Niger , allowing someone
to call them a "n***er , without stating the original name was
"Nniow - G'yer"...
I *am not* wanting to argue with you , or anyone...
I just need to be clear , from *my heart* in this thread...
This is important to *me*...it can not be dismissed...
Thank you for the post regarding the statues on Tsalagi land...
The Freedmen say they've been kicked out of the Cherokee Nation by people who are no more Indian than they are.
"The majority of folks who are members of the tribe ... have lived lives of white privilege," says Marilyn Vann, who heads the Descendants of Freedman Association. She says many Cherokees are largely white and are "people who have never been discriminated against in their lives."
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140594124/u-s-government-opposes-cherokee-nations-decision
"The majority of folks who are members of the tribe ... have lived lives of white privilege," says Marilyn Vann, who heads the Descendants of Freedman Association. She says many Cherokees are largely white and are "people who have never been discriminated against in their lives."
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140594124/u-s-government-opposes-cherokee-nations-decision
Okay, I was going to ignore Edible's first post ( from 2011 ); however, because she is attempting ( per usual ) to deflect from the issue of #Blacklivesmatter ( now by attacking the Cherokee Nation by cherry-picking quotes ), I will post this in response ( also from 2011 ) and no more so as not to fall into the deflection trap ( being that just last week my nation removed confederate soldiers in support of #Blacklivesmatter ).
Being an Indian: It’s About Ancestry
To me, you are either Indian or you are not.
The Cherokee Nation, like all sovereign nations, determines its citizenship by a Constitution approved by our people. No federal court has ever told the Cherokee Nation how to determine our citizenship. The U.S. and United Nations policies and courts have always told us the opposite. The most fundamental right we have as a nation is self-determination of our own citizenship. There is no treaty anywhere that says otherwise.
If you come to any Cherokee family reunion, including mine, you will see a wide mix of ethnicities.
Today, the Cherokee Nation is made up of Indian people. Our tribal application for citizenship does not ask for a picture or physical description such as race or ethnicity because we only document lineal biological descendants from Indians by blood on our base roll, the Dawes Rolls.
The Dawes Rolls were a federally authorized census taken from 1898 to 1914. That was a defining time for Cherokee citizenship as many people of mixed ethnicity rejected citizenship in the Tribe. Their decision forever impacted their descendants who also lost citizenship with that choice. At a difficult time for Indian people, my ancestors chose to remain Indian and declare their citizenship with the Cherokee Nation when others walked away.
Briefly between March 2006 and March 2007, our tribal courts opened citizenship to descendants of non-Indians on the Dawes Rolls, which included two non-Indian groups: Freedmen and intermarried whites. In March 2007, Cherokee citizens, including the 2,800 non-Indians who had enrolled during that one year, overwhelmingly passed a constitutional amendment clarifying you had to be Indian to be in our Indian tribe.
When the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court ruled last month that the 2007 Constitutional amendment was valid, the 2,800 non-Indian Freedmen and intermarried white descendants were removed. More than 1,500 Indian-by-blood citizens who are also descended from non-Indian Freedmen continue to be citizens of the Cherokee Nation as they always have been.
Being Cherokee is not about what you look like, but is about your ancestry and clan. Today, Cherokee citizens come in every shape, size, and religious background. If you come to any Cherokee family reunion, including mine, you will see a wide mix of ethnicities. I, myself, have Moroccan Cherokee cousins who hold citizenship in the Cherokee Nation, the U.S. and Morocco. If you come to Tahlequah looking for a “movie Indian,” even many of our full-blood Cherokee citizens will not meet your expectations.
As one of the most diverse tribal nations in the U.S., we are often criticized for our inclusivity. Being attacked by others for continuing to define our citizenship as Indian has been difficult. Folks who jump to conclusions about the Cherokee Nation likely have never visited Indian Country or the Cherokee Nation.
Cara Cowan-Watts [ then ] acting speaker of the Cherokee Nation Tribal Council and a board member of the National Congress of American Indians.
If you have blood quantum, you're Cherokee regardless of ethnicity. That includes BLACK people. If you lack blood quantum, you're not Cherokee; that includes WHITE people.
I hope that dispels the aroma of faux shit being slung at our tribe.
Being an Indian: It’s About Ancestry
To me, you are either Indian or you are not.
The Cherokee Nation, like all sovereign nations, determines its citizenship by a Constitution approved by our people. No federal court has ever told the Cherokee Nation how to determine our citizenship. The U.S. and United Nations policies and courts have always told us the opposite. The most fundamental right we have as a nation is self-determination of our own citizenship. There is no treaty anywhere that says otherwise.
If you come to any Cherokee family reunion, including mine, you will see a wide mix of ethnicities.
Today, the Cherokee Nation is made up of Indian people. Our tribal application for citizenship does not ask for a picture or physical description such as race or ethnicity because we only document lineal biological descendants from Indians by blood on our base roll, the Dawes Rolls.
The Dawes Rolls were a federally authorized census taken from 1898 to 1914. That was a defining time for Cherokee citizenship as many people of mixed ethnicity rejected citizenship in the Tribe. Their decision forever impacted their descendants who also lost citizenship with that choice. At a difficult time for Indian people, my ancestors chose to remain Indian and declare their citizenship with the Cherokee Nation when others walked away.
Briefly between March 2006 and March 2007, our tribal courts opened citizenship to descendants of non-Indians on the Dawes Rolls, which included two non-Indian groups: Freedmen and intermarried whites. In March 2007, Cherokee citizens, including the 2,800 non-Indians who had enrolled during that one year, overwhelmingly passed a constitutional amendment clarifying you had to be Indian to be in our Indian tribe.
When the Cherokee Nation Supreme Court ruled last month that the 2007 Constitutional amendment was valid, the 2,800 non-Indian Freedmen and intermarried white descendants were removed. More than 1,500 Indian-by-blood citizens who are also descended from non-Indian Freedmen continue to be citizens of the Cherokee Nation as they always have been.
Being Cherokee is not about what you look like, but is about your ancestry and clan. Today, Cherokee citizens come in every shape, size, and religious background. If you come to any Cherokee family reunion, including mine, you will see a wide mix of ethnicities. I, myself, have Moroccan Cherokee cousins who hold citizenship in the Cherokee Nation, the U.S. and Morocco. If you come to Tahlequah looking for a “movie Indian,” even many of our full-blood Cherokee citizens will not meet your expectations.
As one of the most diverse tribal nations in the U.S., we are often criticized for our inclusivity. Being attacked by others for continuing to define our citizenship as Indian has been difficult. Folks who jump to conclusions about the Cherokee Nation likely have never visited Indian Country or the Cherokee Nation.
Cara Cowan-Watts [ then ] acting speaker of the Cherokee Nation Tribal Council and a board member of the National Congress of American Indians.
If you have blood quantum, you're Cherokee regardless of ethnicity. That includes BLACK people. If you lack blood quantum, you're not Cherokee; that includes WHITE people.
I hope that dispels the aroma of faux shit being slung at our tribe.
