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Ahavati said:Jess, have you taken so much as an hour to educate yourself by watching 13th? Or read any of the literature, or watched just one of the Ted Talks or the movie Just Mercy, all of which have been resourced in this thread?  Because if you have not, then let me tell you that you preaching Love Matters is out of pure white ignorance. The kind I grew up with. The kind that covers up #Blacklivesmatter with all lives or white lives or blue lives or love matters.

Do you want to defund to police, yes or no?

I’m not here to debate about my ignorance. I’m here to pray for an end tomthe destruction of innocent lives and a crumbling world.

Love will heal us. Truth will burn. Love covers a multitude of sins. America is burning. When disabled lives don’t don’t send us into marches in the streets.

Love is a verb not a noun.

Wow. Love is a mind. And that mind is in action. Splitting hairs to defend rioting and spreading woes to world in the throes of a pandemic is... gobsmacking. I’m praying for you, big sister. Maybe our only disconnect is that you think I’m defending bigotry.

I’m just defending love in a world throwing it away, shooting and looting!

What are YOU doing for love other than preaching its name?

Staying home in a pandemic! Helping women build industry and community for themselves on YouTube. Reminding people that they are loved when they feel dark.

How can you lead others if you don't know or understand the true issue yourself?

Only one true Scotsman today. All others must go away....

Just say #Blacklivesmatter without the suffix "but so do. . ." and I'll take your campaign seriously.  Just say it and leave it. . .

#Blacklivesmatter



I’ll do that if you will carry a sign in public saying #thuglivesmatter

This man did the same thing to a pregnant woman essentially, in a home invasion.

He made her beg for her baby with a gun to her stomach. Later he died crying to his mommy. Poetic.

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EdibleWords said:

I’ll do that if you will carry a sign in public saying #thuglivesmatter

This man did the same thing to a pregnant woman essentially, in a home invasion.

He made her beg for her baby with a gun to her stomach. Later he died crying to his mommy. Poetic.


EDIBLE you did not just say George Floyd deserved this
Yes I'm putting words in your mouth Essentially that is what you said
Justifying police brutality by pointing the finger at the victim shame on you THATS LOVE?

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Valeriyabeyond said:

EDIBLE you did not just say George Floyd deserved this
Yes I'm putting words in your mouth Essentially that is what you said
Justifying police brutality by pointing the finger at the victim shame on you THATS LOVE?


He did his time in prison paid his dues
You my dear fit the profile of the millions upon millions of caucasions that speak the same things you just spoke
That is why this country can't pull it's head out of it's own ass

I shudder when I read that Edible
You can't cover the world with a blanket of love and say something like that
Ugh I gotta go

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Valeriyabeyond said:

EDIBLE you did not just say George Floyd deserved this
Yes I'm putting words in your mouth Essentially that is what you said
Justifying police brutality by pointing the finger at the victim shame on you THATS LOVE?


Poetic justice is dying by the sword you abuse God’s children with.

He assaulted an unborn baby while essentially man-stealing and ransacking. (Unlawfully detaining, abusing and mobbing that poor woman is man-stealing!)

George Floyd died because he was resisting arrest on meth as a crime was in progress. His arresting officer/s was an epic dumbass/probable-murderer.

Would you push the cop off Hitler’s neck? Yes or no?

George Floyd was not only high, resisting arrest, but he had this home invasion record with escalating violence in plain view of those men. He was a giant, lying, hyped-up bouncer/criminal on meth with a reputation for violent crime. The man on his neck actually worked as a bouncer with him before. They were not friends.

Who knows why the cops killed him? He deserves to pay for murder and helping to burn the country. It was egregious but still is unknown as to details on body cams.

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Valeriyabeyond said:

He did his time in prison paid his dues
You my dear fit the profile of the millions upon millions of caucasions that speak the same things you just spoke
That is why this country can't pull it's head out of it's own ass

I shudder when I read that Edible
You can't cover the world with a blanket of love and say something like that
Ugh I gotta go


Love hurts.

FYI, when you are a dangerous felon resisting arrest high on meth, a power-tripping cop will cause the nation to burn. Your love?

When a mother is shot like a dog holding her baby in Michigan, when a schizophrenic is tortured to death or shot when clearly not a threat....

Then where’s the love?


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Oh damn Edible I  didn't know,  
that you were like the ones,  who helped me make the decision to never, call myself a Christian.
you are all the way in, with the ones side who stare and say at least I'm not like him.  
The judgmental attitudes of the righteous

It makes no difference what his crimes were, they were in the past.
He was a free man, he paid his debt to society.
The bigoted white man took his life.
While others stand by and spew hate speech.
Riding around in God's pocket reciting scripture believing it is God's will.

That is a very very dangerous place to be

Do you remember when Louis Farakan made his rounds on the talk shows in the late 90's I believe it was .
Do you remember the rhetoric of the Black separatists?
When Khalid spoke,  he  was labeled an extremist. Yes a separatists is a rcist is an extremist they proclaimed to be doing right because they serve their God
That's what some Christians do they have separated the rest of humanity
and labeled them unworthy because they think that's what God would have done

What a disgusting remark about Hitler
It has no place in this conversation

A counterfeit 20
Did you know I passed two fake twenties two weeks ago
I went to a second hand store and bought a chest freezer
I went to the ATM first and got the cash
The store owner tells me two of them were fake she had the pen
She took them anyway said she would pass them on why not the bank does and our money is not worth anything
anyway  she said
Should I have gone to jail for breaking the law ? Did we just launder counterfeit money ?

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How many of these groups hold their meeting g inside a church?

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Valeriyabeyond said:Oh damn Edible I  didn't know,  
that you were like the ones,  who helped me make the decision to never, call myself a Christian.
you are all the way in, with the ones side who stare and say at least I'm not like him.  
The judgmental attitudes of the righteous


Wrong. I’m not judging him. Rather I’m saying burning America on behalf of him is wrong!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74

It makes no difference what his crimes were,

These are police (not parishioners) dealing with a large drugged man acting crazed according to reports. It’s very sad that he died. And Karma. He was not a martyr; he was committing crime.

I don’t have to be white to see that. Maybe I just don’t have any entitlement or guilt to cloud my judgment.

they were in the past.
He was a free man,


No, he was under publicly intoxicated, resisting arrest and committing crimes on the scene.

he paid his debt to society.

So you know he was caught and paid for all his crimes? Despite being a loose criminal right then???

The bigoted white man took his life.

He was a psycho. Was he a racist also? Is it material to the looting and burning of America? Does it justify killing police peacefully respecting the law?

While others stand by and spew hate speech.

Hate speech?

#lovematters


Riding around in God's pocket reciting scripture believing it is God's will.

I would have jumped down somebody’s throat for that knee and been face down on the pavement myself, later feeling sheepish for defending a woman-abuser-criminal.

I’d do that for Hitler, would you?

That is a very very dangerous place to be
I’m an innocent person only advocating non-violence. Please. I’m not even white, let alone a racist. Be gentle. #lovematters

Do you remember when Louis Farakan made his rounds on the talk shows in the late 90's I believe it was .
Do you remember the rhetoric of the Black separatists?
When Khalid spoke,  he  was labeled an extremist. Yes a separatists is a rcist is an extremist they proclaimed to be doing right because they serve their God
That's what some Christians do they have separated the rest of humanity
and labeled them unworthy because they think that's what God would have done


That’s not me. I’d end apartheid with “Truth and Reconciliation” actually!
I don’t push the Bible, but it has a deep poetry that applies here and there.

What a disgusting remark about Hitler

Are you against the needless killing of restrained criminals? Of ANY kind? I AM!


It has no place in this conversation

Don’t go to the dark side, please.


A counterfeit 20
Did you know I passed two fake twenties two weeks ago
I went to a second hand store and bought a chest freezer
I went to the ATM first and got the cash
The store owner tells me two of them were fake she had the pen
She took them anyway said she would pass them on why not the bank does and our money is not worth anything
anyway  she said
Should I have gone to jail for breaking the law ? Did we just launder counterfeit money ?


He had drugs, he was resisting arrest, he was very high, he was a giant felon, a bouncer, known the the psycho killer, and so what does that tell you?

Destroy the world!?

If you want better police - amen.

If you want thugs to matter more than a terrorized black woman or a nation on fire, no.

You see men honor a man who’s surviving victim - who now - after begging him for her baby’s life - watches him sainted!

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EdibleWords said:

He had drugs, he was resisting arrest, he was very high, he was a giant felon, a bouncer, known the the psycho killer, and so what does that tell you?

Destroy the world!?

If you want better police - amen.

If you want thugs to matter more than a terrorized black woman or a nation on fire, no.

You see men honor a man who’s surviving victim - who now - after begging him for her baby’s life - watches him sainted!


I can see that you will never walk in the shoes of the opressed
So I will leave it alone .

George Floyd is not, responsible for the burning and looting.
Frustration,  being fed up, shock,  and mental Illness from the lockdown contributed to the crimes.
The extremists  arrived to further  their  cause of separating the  people by race.
The ones who know that all the protestors will be blamed because they are black.
That is the MO of the white separatist

How do you know these things about George Floyd are true .
You believe them because he was big and black?
He was a bouncer okay, and what's your point ?
Could you be thinking " hey this man had a job."  and was supporting himself?

So he had a nickname and a reputation
It's clear he was utilizing his skills
If I were skilled at nursing, I  would get a job as a nurse

I refuse to talk about Hitler except to say there are statistics out there that show during a lengthy debate someone will bring up Hitler

George Floyd was not resisting arrest when the officers approached his vehicle and put a gun to his face.
He wasn't under arrest then it should have been an moment of questioning.
Why the automatic arrest there were no video tapes mentioned of them seeing him pass the twenty
They went by the word of the store clerk who was not present at the vehicle to ID anyone
There was quite a distance between the store and the vehicle too far to make a positive ID
The cops know that
You insist he was so high on drugs which the drug was actually Fentanyl and meth
have you ever seen someone high on heroin?
They are not combative
Did you see the video where the officer walked him to the wall of the building to sit down?
Did you see his feet his ankles?
He  was not in any condition to fight
He was not selling drugs he was using drugs
He was only hurting himself not others .

Again do you know how many twenty dollar bills are passed in this country each day that are fake ?


The officer Derek Chauvin was training the other officers he was a training officer. that is appalling and damn frightening to know that they were being trained to murder innocent citizens Yes he was innocent

I think in this country you have to be accused,  charged, arrested, arrainged, proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you committed the crime,  unless, you take a plea, found guilty, sentenced,
Until then,  you ate innocent

For far too long the black man has been presumed guilty from the onset .
Do you remember the black man who stepped on to his front step in NY had just gotten off work and was going for a bite to eat
As soon as he stepped out onto his step he was shot down by NY cops 40 FORTY shots were fired at one man .
19 shots hit him NINETEEN SHOTS
what had he done? how did he pose a danger,  how did he threaten their lives ?
I don't know what he had done previous to that evening I do know that is excessive force  
Goodnight

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Valeriyabeyond said:

I can see that you will never walk in the shoes of the opressed
So I will leave it alone .


Are constitutional militants infatuated with the hope of defunded dismantled police and multiracial militias holding hands walking down the streets?

I’m oppressed. Have been on multiple occasions for being part of different minority groups.

Terrorists hacked and destroyed two of our online businesses.

Valeriyabeyond said: George Floyd is not, responsible for the burning and looting.

I never said otherwise. But thugs are; thugs who sainted him a martyr.

Valeriyabeyond said: Frustration,  being fed up, shock,  and mental Illness from the lockdown contributed to the crimes.

Not a reason to destroy what we were trying to rescue.

Valeriyabeyond said: The extremists  arrived to further  their  cause of separating the  people by race.

Yes.

Valeriyabeyond said: The ones who know that all the protestors will be blamed because they are black.

Eh? Of course there are kkk types doing things. But seriously that’s a red herring. In fact the protesters will be accused of being leftist radicals, Chinese operatives, and gangs.

The idea that this must be about color not a Coup is ridiculous. This is a worldwide Leftist tantrum, seducing constitutionalists with tales of militia-run streets.

Valeriyabeyond said: How do you know these things about George Floyd are true . ask Candice Owens.

Valeriyabeyond said: You believe them because he was big and black?


I’m discussing police policy. Let’s be bigger women. Let’s be friends.

Valeriyabeyond said: He was a bouncer okay, and what's your point ?

He worked with his killer ...As a bouncer ...and was seen as strong, especially hyped, and psychotic on meth.

This wasn’t bad policy as much as a crime of murder with unknown motives.

Valeriyabeyond said: Could you be thinking " hey this man had a job."  and was supporting himself?

No, he was unemployed then.

Valeriyabeyond said: So he had a nickname and a reputation
It's clear he was utilizing his skills
If I were skilled at nursing, I  would get a job as a nurse


Wait for more info. We have big missed intel.

Valeriyabeyond said: I refuse to talk about Hitler except to say there are statistics out there that show during a lengthy debate someone will bring up Hitler So ...like ....my Jewish-heritage or my dark one ...cause whatever?

No, it’s about the sacredness of life.

Valeriyabeyond said: George Floyd was not resisting arrest when the officers approached his vehicle and put a gun to his face.
He wasn't under arrest then it should have been an moment of questioning.
Why the automatic arrest there were no video tapes mentioned of them seeing him pass the twenty
They went by the word of the store clerk who was not present at the vehicle to ID anyone
There was quite a distance between the store and the vehicle too far to make a positive ID
The cops know that
You insist he was so high on drugs which the drug was actually Fentanyl and meth
have you ever seen someone high on heroin?
They are not combative
Did you see the video where the officer walked him to the wall of the building to sit down?
Did you see his feet his ankles?
He  was not in any condition to fight
He was not selling drugs he was using drugs
He was only hurting himself not others .


Premeditated murder. Motive unknown. Those are the ideas we are forming now. Let’s learn more. Not loot and burn more.

Again do you know how many twenty dollar bills are passed in this country each day that are fake ?

Nope. If he handed the cigarettes back they would have left him alone. They just wanted to be square.

The officer Derek Chauvin was training the other officers he was a training officer. that is appalling and damn frightening to know that they were being trained to murder innocent citizens Yes he was innocent Darek was a scary excuse for a teacher!

Floyd was maltreated/murdered while committing multiple crimes. Very sad.

I think in this country you have to be accused,  charged, arrested, arrainged, proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you committed the crime,  unless, you take a plea, found guilty, sentenced,
Until then,  you ate innocent
he was a suspect. Just like his killer is now.

For far too long the black man has been presumed guilty from the onset .

I know that some places still have that problem, more or less. Don’t kill, steal and burn over that. Don’t assume all pale folk are privileged or racist. Don’t make anybody apologize for skin tones.

Do you remember the black man who stepped on to his front step in NY had just gotten off work and was going for a bite to eat
As soon as he stepped out onto his step he was shot down by NY cops 40 FORTY shots were fired at one man .
19 shots hit him NINETEEN SHOTS
what had he done? how did he pose a danger,  how did he threaten their lives ?
I don't know what he had done previous to that evening I do know that is excessive force  
Goodnight


I don’t know that one but I’m so glad everything didn’t burn and black men in blue weren’t shot to death over it.

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George Floyd was ALREADY subdued by the four officers and needlessly killed.

His life mattered regardless of excuses made on behalf of his mistreatment.

Anyone can make the argument that this happens to white civilians too, but black people are upset that it happens more often to black people because they are black.

They are tired of this and are protesting. Millions of non blacks are protesting with them.

The phrase "black lives matter" is about expressing your belief that the lives of black people do matter as much as any other skin color and it is about expressing your support for the end of their mistreatment.

That's it.

To say "all lives matter" and excuse the mistreatment of Floyd after he was ALREADY subdued just illustrates that the person saying it doesn't believe it.

To say "love matters" is something best said to those police officers - they are the ones who acted without any love in their hearts for their fellow man. Instead they attempted to intimidate Floyd and the onlookers with a pointless show of brutal force.

To argue people are Sainting Floyd is a waste of time and energy. You might as well be arguing that Richard Speck or Charles Manson were not marriage material. Some people did. Who cares? It isn't what is fueling the protests. Centuries of abusive treatment of other human beings is.  

The rioting and looting caused by and stoked by outsiders with agendas is irrelevant to this situation. If you are concerned with fallout - property damage, money lost and lives taken - then be a part of the solution by discouraging more heartless police brutality. Don't make excuses for it or distract focus away from it with red herrings amok and personal agendas as selfish as encouraging protesters to riot and loot.

Unfortunately, social distancing has largely been thrown out the window in the process, thus more lives are going to be lost in the process.



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America does democracy this way....out loud, by fire and pain, by bleeding.

This is more of the same.

Let the country burn.

Let voices be heard.

If silence and quiet conversation didn’t  work, what is left for the aggrieved?

A heavily armed police force who see enemies everywhere, creates enemies everywhere.

Disarm your people.

Disarm your police.

This election year is yours.

I believe in pain.

I believe in peace.

If this is not the moment, the moment will come.

Down with freedom.

Down with the 2nd amendment.

Down with simple statements.


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(We outside you wish upon you wisdom.

We outside you see the end, or a beginning.

We outside you see ignorance, intolerance, a powerful and polarised media, a great separation, and hope.

Nothing is impossible.

Rome burned.

Freedom did not.

This democracy is only 200 years old.

Begin again.

Or die)

History will only find you interesting, either way.

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Kia ora, hemi; manaaki koe.

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