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Bill Gates’ reading list from just a handful of years.

Tell me again about “proven eugenisist”.

Think carefully on this list, on both it’s range and depth. What is the overwhelming interest in this list?


SUMMER 2012

The Better Angels of our Nature by Steven Pinker
The Quest by Daniel Yergin
Deng Xiaoping and the Transformation of China by Ezra Vogel
The Cost of Hope by Amanda Bennett
Behind the Beautiful Forevers by Katherine Boo
Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update by Donella Meadows
Abundance: The Future is Better Than You Think by Peter Diamandis and Steven Kotler
Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
The Man Who Stayed Behind by Amanda Bennett.

WINTER 2012*

Moonwalking with Einstein by Joshua Foer
One Billion Hungry: Can We Feed the World? by Gordon Conway
A World-Class Education by Vivien Stewart
Academically Adrift by Richard Arum & Josipa Roksa
This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly by Carmen Reinhart & Kenneth Rogoff
The City that Became Safe: New York’s Lessons for Urban Crime and Its Control by Franklin Zimring

SUMMER 2013

The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn from Traditional Societies? by Jared Diamond
The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger by Marc Levinson
However Long the Night: Molly Melching’s Journey to Help Millions of African Women and Girls by Aimee Molloy
How Children Succeed: Grit, Curiosity, and the Hidden Power of Character by Paul Tough
Japan’s Dietary Transition and Its Impacts (Food, Health, and the Environment) by Vaclav Smil and Kazuhiko Kobayashi
Made in the USA: The Rise and Retreat of American Manufacturing by Vaclav Smil
Whistling Vivaldi: How Stereotypes Affect Us and What We Can Do (Issues of Our Time) by Claude Steele
Patriot and Assassin by Robert Cook

WINTER 2013

The Box by Marc Levinson
The Most Powerful Idea in the World by William Rosen
Harvesting the Biosphere by Vaclav Smil
The World Until Yesterday by Jared Diamond
Poor Numbers by Morten Jerven
Why Does College Cost So Much? by Robert B. Archibald and David H. Feldman
The Bet by Paul Sabin

SUMMER 2014

Business Adventures by John Brooks.
Stress Test by Timothy F. Geithner
The Bully Pulpit: Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, and the Golden Age of Journalism by Doris Kearns Goodwin.
Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin
The Rosie Project by Graeme Simsion
The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert
Reinventing American Health Care by Ezekiel J. Emanuel.

WINTER 2014*

Capital in the Twenty-First Century by Thomas Piketty
How Asia Works by Joe Studwell
The Rosie Effect by Graeme Simsion
Making the Modern World: Materials and Dematerialization by Vaclav Smil

SUMMER 2015

Hyperbole and a Half by Allie Brosh
The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins
What If? by Randall Munroe
XKCD by Randall Munroe
On Immunity by Eula Biss
How to Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff
Should We Eat Meat? by Vaclav Smil

WINTER 2015

The Road to Character by David Brooks
Thing Explainer: Complicated Stuff in Simple Words by Randall Munroe
Being Nixon: A Man Divided by Evan Thomas
Sustainable Materials With Both Eyes Open by Julian M. Allwood, Jonathan M. Cullen, et al.
Eradication: Ridding the World of Diseases Forever? by Nancy Leys Stepan
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol S. Dweck

SUMMER 2016

Seveneves by Neal Stephenson
How Not to be Wrong by Jordan Ellenberg.
The Vital Question by Nick Lane
The Power to Compete by Ryoichi Mikitani and Hiroshi Mikitani
Sapiens by Noah Yuval Harari

WINTER 2016

String Theory by David Foster Wallace
Shoe Dog by Phil Knight
The Gene by Siddhartha Mukherjee
The Myth of the Strong Leader by Archie Brown
The Grid by Gretchen Bakke

SUMMER 2017

Born a Crime by Trevor Noah.
The Heart by Maylis de Kerangal.
Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance.
Homo Deus by Yuval Noah Harari.
A Full Life by Jimmy Carter.

WINTER 2017

The Best We Could Do by Thi Bui
Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond
Believe Me: A Memoir of Love, Death, and Jazz Chickens by Eddie Izzard
The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen
Energy and Civilization: A History by Vaclav Smil

SUMMER 2018

Leonardo da Vinci by Walter Isaacson
Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I’ve Loved by Kate Bowler
Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders
Origin Story: A Big History of Everything by David Christian
Factfulness by Hans Rosling, with Ola Rosling and Anna Rosling Ronnlund

WINTER 2018

Educated by Tara Westover
Army of None by Paul Scharre
Bad Blood by John Carreyrou
21 Lessons for the 21st Century by Yuval Noah Harari
The Headspace Guide to Meditation and Mindfulness by Andy Puddicombe

SUMMER 2019

Upheaval by Jared Diamond
Nine Pints by Rose George
A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles
Presidents of War by Michael Beschloss
The Future of Capitalism by Paul Collier

WINTER 2019

An American Marriage by Tayari Jones
These Truths by Jill Lepore
Growth by Vaclav Smil
Prepared by Diane Tavenner
Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker

hemihead said:


Seriously, his reading list is available online.

When you have read even a 10th of what he has read, let alone comprehended, then put his own and the money of others on the line to achieve it, or if you can bring a concise argument as to why his views on clean drinking water as a basic human right, malaria management at scale, toilet/sewer systems for people who have no public amenity access, child education programs, public health education programs, why Microfinance to women in developing nations is important, why the move to renewables will need fossil fuels for another 20 years, why climate change is the concern of the most vulnerable, why taxes on corporations should be higher, or any of a myriad others he is very public about and openly invites informed debate on, then I think you can most politely put your “seriously” wherever the sun least shines upon your person..

Prove me wrong. In your words. Without a link to a source or a “guru”.

(This is literally the guy who spent $60m if his own money in pandemic response planning, including warning many governments of the world of their vulnerabilities in 2010 - 2018)
Gates sounds like a good guy to me Hemi, from what you're saying. I'm guessing the argument or fear about him from your opponents is that with kindness comes control.

Billy_Snagg said:
Gates sounds like a good guy to me Hemi, from what you're saying. I'm guessing the argument or fear about him from your opponents is that with kindness comes control.

Yes. He was a guest at a Cambridge University debate where they got specifically in to this point. It is not a simple issue.

(I have no doubt, and good anecdotes to suggest, that Bill Gates was a total prick as a young man and businessman....not excusing that, and certainly believe that Microsoft should have been broken up by anti-trust laws)

hemihead said:


Misquotes and half quotes are the crutch of the weak minded.

He is brave enough to publicly discuss the challenges of our time: overpopulation, climate change, the rights of the poor.

Track and trace is the gold standard right now without a vaccine.

Get a grip on your arguments.

First it was “no covid”, then it was “underreporting”, then it was “overreporting”, now it’s “government control”, with a touch of “bill gates is trying to nanotech inject us to control the population for ‘them’”. Edit....then of course there was the asshat you were quoting about 5g....

Can you explicitly express what you believe at this moment?

Other people seem to be getting my point, perhaps it is you who lack to ability to critically think for yourself?

I ask you again, is the sacrifice worth it?
This financial crash will kill more than this virus.

But if you are happy being vaccinated and chipped , so you have the freedom to buy amazon products and continue being told how and what to think, by all means stay on that boat with, what was it 3 years worth of gold and offshore assets.

https://youtu.be/WpZxm6xUHz4
This guy is dying of cancer in a hospital perhaps listen to what he is saying Hemi.

I have a family member who is a nurse, who was told by Drs to provide end of life care to those who wouldn't otherwise need it.
I don't know if this is the case in the UK but in America hospital are getting 39k insentives to put people on respirators.

Hemi the numbers are inaccurate and being inflated. This is genocide on a global scale.

Freedom is always worth striving for, Carpe.

Carpe_Noctem said:

Other people seem to be getting my point, perhaps it is you who lack to ability to critically think for yourself?

I ask you again, is the sacrifice worth it?
This financial crash will kill more than this virus.

But if you are happy being vaccinated and chipped , so you have the freedom to buy amazon products and continue being told how and what to think, by all means stay on that boat with, what was it 3 years worth of gold and offshore assets.

https://youtu.be/WpZxm6xUHz4
This guy is dying of cancer in a hospital perhaps listen to what he is saying Hemi.

I have a family member who is a nurse, who was told by Drs to provide end of life care to those who would otherwise need it.
I don't know if this is the case in the UK but in America hospital are getting 39k insentives to put people on respirators.

Hemi the numbers are inaccurate and being inflated. This is genocide on a global scale.


“My friend is a nurse” is very low quality information. If she is blood related I have to also doubt her capacity for understanding.

Genocide requires intent and control. A virus has neither.

I think conspiracy theorists lack courage. They want there to be some puppet master in the background, to make sense of the world. But the world does not make sense. That idea is far more frightening.

Your assertions such as “genocide on a massive scale” are baseless, framed by fear, and not defendable.

If they were, you would have done it.

I am three things at once:

Worried about the virus.
Worried about the effect of this on the financial security of the vulnerable.
Worried about the risk of governments using this as a way to exert authoritarian rule.


These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

I will say, again, that money and the economy are only creations, constructs, models. They can be modified to suit the needs of anyone. A case in point is the modifications since ww2, In particular, that have swung the benefits of the economy heavily in favour of the owner class. A corporation having the rights of a human being in law is a frankly obscene idea.

Blind acceptance that financial trouble for corporations means the middle and lower classes will suffer tells me you are exposed to too much Murdoch owned news outlets. Why would they want that idea pushed?

I note you have refrained from stating exactly what it is you believe.

I have conspiracy theories. And I can prove them, as they are on the public record.

US senators took classified briefings on the financial impacts of covid 19, then publicly stated repeatedly there was nothing to worry about while selling stocks that would be impacted. Truth.

The news media in the US and UK are in the hands of a small group of right wing billionaires. They push narratives like “businesses need billion dollar bailouts, but we can’t afford to pay for basic healthcare or protect middle and lower classes from destitution”.

The bail out money is used to buy back stocks in failing companies, which creates an apparent shortage of stock, driving the price up. The company executives then pay themselves $100’s of millions of dollars in bonuses. This is taxpayer money being distributed upward.

Oil companies pour $100’s of millions of dollars in to funding climate change “debate”, and buy influence in government, while the cost to the economy grows larger every year.

Drug companies openly lobby against fee control on drugs, and then make tiny changes to them to prevent patents expiring.

The concept of a growth economy on a finite planet is such a falsehood that it can be explained to a five year old, but governments continue to ignore this obvious glaring logic flaw (noting there is some good work going on in this space)

Military spending can be easily shown to be a very poor use of capital, and yet it forms a central pillar of the worlds leading economy.


None of these are opinion, yet they are indeed conspiracies.

hemihead said:I have conspiracy theories. And I can prove them, as they are on the public record.

US senators took classified briefings on the financial impacts of covid 19, then publicly stated repeatedly there was nothing to worry about while selling stocks that would be impacted. Truth.

The news media in the US and UK are in the hands of a small group of right wing billionaires. They push narratives like “businesses need billion dollar bailouts, but we can’t afford to pay for basic healthcare or protect middle and lower classes from destitution”.

The bail out money is used to buy back stocks in failing companies, which creates an apparent shortage of stock, driving the price up. The company executives then pay themselves $100’s of millions of dollars in bonuses. This is taxpayer money being distributed upward.

Oil companies pour $100’s of millions of dollars in to funding climate change “debate”, and buy influence in government, while the cost to the economy grows larger every year.

Drug companies openly lobby against fee control on drugs, and then make tiny changes to them to prevent patents expiring.

The concept of a growth economy on a finite planet is such a falsehood that it can be explained to a five year old, but governments continue to ignore this obvious glaring logic flaw (noting there is some good work going on in this space)

Military spending can be easily shown to be a very poor use of capital, and yet it forms a central pillar of the worlds leading economy.


None of these are opinion, yet they are indeed conspiracies.

Hemi you do understand that government by etymological definition means mind control.
That institution is there as a figure head to keep people distracted.

Do you remember JFKs speach about secret societies? Look what happened to him.

Someone else who was part of a secret society was Cecil Rhodes.

Skull and bones another secret society that the bushes are apart of.
There's the club of Rome, CFR.
What do you think happens in these closed door meetings such as bildeberg?


On a side note here is the etymology of the word SMART.
smart (v.)
Old English smeortan "be painful," from Proto-Germanic *smarta- (source also of Middle Dutch smerten, Dutch smarten, Old High German smerzan, German schmerzen "to pain," originally "to bite"), from PIE *smerd- "pain," which is perhaps an extension of the root *mer- "to rub away; to harm." Related: Smarted; smarting.

Billy_Snagg said:Freedom is always worth striving for, Carpe.

Exactly Billy people need to have a long hard look at themselves and ask what world they want to live in.

I don't want my children to live in a world held hostage by a group of very vocal flat earth conspiracy theorists.

Yes, apparently our freedoms, our liberties have been impacted but those willing to care about themselves and their loved ones have no other option for the moment. This is a sacrifice. Are you willing to lose one of your loved ones or put theur lives on the line to prove a point that this is all a conspiracy?

I grew up in the 80's witnessing kids afflicted with polio. It was eliminated from my country and almost all the countries until the anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists conned the gullible and the illiterate tribals in South Asia. Look at the consequence, I hold you and your anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists responsible for the unnecessary deaths and lifelong suffering of the scores of children that are affected and are going to be affected.

I have seen first hand the devastating effects of diseases like polio and other diseases and the life saving impact of the vaccinations. Millions of infant mortalities are avoided each year.

Carpe_Noctem said:

Hemi you do understand that government by etymological definition means mind control.
That institution is there as a figure head to keep people distracted.

Do you remember JFKs speach about secret societies? Look what happened to him.

Someone else who was part of a secret society was Cecil Rhodes.

Skull and bones another secret society that the bushes are apart of.
There's the club of Rome, CFR.
What do you think happens in these closed door meetings such as bildeberg?


On a side note here is the etymology of the word SMART.
smart (v.)
Old English smeortan "be painful," from Proto-Germanic *smarta- (source also of Middle Dutch smerten, Dutch smarten, Old High German smerzan, German schmerzen "to pain," originally "to bite"), from PIE *smerd- "pain," which is perhaps an extension of the root *mer- "to rub away; to harm." Related: Smarted; smarting.


Fact check:  Etymologically speaking, it might help to frame it as "a group that is of a mind/disposition to govern/lead" rather than "a group that controls minds".

That two about two seconds to find. You could check this stuff yourself you know.

Yes, there are secret societies, and yes there are conspiracies. Still waiting for your point, unless this shattering revelation was it?

The rest is more noise. You have this thing where you do passive aggressive little side notes. It’s pretty weak. Rise above that shit man, or at least have drop the passive bit.

Present an argument that isn’t just you pulling shit off YouTube, or talking about “the ancients”, or better yet actually state what your concerns are, in coherent sentences, with a working and considered view of your position. I don’t care what it is....just want to see you put a coherent argument down.

I just listed about 5 of them, all fact-checkable....surely you must have one more to add.

Piss, or get off the pot.

(Is it big government? Is it 5G? Is it data reporting? Is it vaccines? Is it invisible government? Is it global media control? Is it risk of authoritarianism? Big tech? Big data?)

cold_fusion said:I don't want my children to live in a world held hostage by a group of very vocal flat earth conspiracy theorists.

Yes, apparently our freedoms, our liberties have been impacted but those willing to care about themselves and their loved ones have no other option for the moment. This is a sacrifice. Are you willing to lose one of your loved ones or put theur lives on the line to prove a point that this is all a conspiracy?

I grew up in the 80's witnessing kids afflicted with polio. It was eliminated from my country and almost all the countries until the anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists conned the gullible and the illiterate tribals in South Asia. Look at the consequence, I hold you and your anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists responsible for the unnecessary deaths and lifelong suffering of the scores of children that are affected and are going to be affected.

I have seen first hand the devastating effects of diseases like polio and other diseases and the life saving impact of the vaccinations. Millions of infant mortalities are avoided each year.



I was unaware those pesky flat earthers had done this. Bloody outrages how dare they.

Never have I said I am an antivaxxer, no I am for people make their own minds up and make the choice themselves. What I am against is people having things forced upon them.

https://youtu.be/2xyNMHuocH0
Richie Allen breaks down Bill Gates appearance on BBC1

Carpe_Noctem said:

I was unaware those pesky flat earthers had done this. Bloody outrages how dare they.

Never have I said I am an antivaxxer, no I am for people make their own minds up and make the choice themselves. What I am against is people having things forced upon them.

https://youtu.be/2xyNMHuocH0
Richie Allen breaks down Bill Gates appearance on BBC1

This guy is your source? A quick check on his credentials leaves me underwhelmed....


Richie Allen and his show have been described by Hope not Hate as "protégé[s] of conspiracy theorist David Icke". The show (founded in 2014[2]) "emerged from Icke's short-lived broadcast The People's Voice, and was for a time hosted on Icke's website".[3] The show broadcasts six times a week from Fab Radio International and all episodes are available as podcasts (many on YouTube), and gained a reputation for inviting conspiratorialists on the show.[4]

hemihead said:


Fact check:  Etymologically speaking, it might help to frame it as "a group that is of a mind/disposition to govern/lead" rather than "a group that controls minds".

That two about two seconds to find. You could check this stuff yourself you know.

Yes, there are secret societies, and yes there are conspiracies. Still waiting for your point, unless this shattering revelation was it?

The rest is more noise. You have this thing where you do passive aggressive little side notes. It’s pretty weak. Rise above that shit man, or at least have drop the passive bit.

Present an argument that isn’t just you pulling shit off YouTube, or talking about “the ancients”, or better yet actually state what your concerns are, in coherent sentences, with a working and considered view of your position. I don’t care what it is....just want to see you put a coherent argument down.

I just listed about 5 of them, all fact-checkable....surely you must have one more to add.

Piss, or get off the pot.

(Is it big government? Is it 5G? Is it data reporting? Is it vaccines? Is it invisible government? Is it global media control? Is it risk of authoritarianism? Big tech? Big data?)

Hemi it's not my fault you are having trouble with the communication here.
My self and other members of this forum have stated what we believe this to be.
You seem to have so much faith in government and the media.
Why? do you feel that blanket of saved wealth you have will save you if you continue to comply with these measures. You have already stated you are in favour of Bill Gates and his vaccinations and tracking measures.
Even if these will be forced upon people. How about FEMA internment camps (gulags) for those refusing to comply.
How about willfully knowing these measures will cause the deaths and suffering of the population (genecide).
Do you deny all the deaths caused by the great depression, which as history repeating was the bankers fault.

So how about you shit or get off the head.

Carpe, the angrier you get, the more you are losing the argument, my friend.