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WHAT IS THE AIM?
WHAT IS THE AIM?
Great is man if he can find his aim in life
ere the foot of fate can tread on his live heart
and can secure what may give a tranquil smile
since he has embraced his hope before he dies.
It's not easy to discern why we were born.
Can it be an act of chance with no intent?
Why did people look for creeds from ancient times
to perceive what gave them faith for such a trip?
It's a drama, but the actors have sharp minds
which enforce them to reflect and find its gist.
If this journey is a whim of sexy two,
it will be a crime to have a child on earth.
Who enjoys this aimless life if it's a way
to a grave that waits for all who come and leave?
How can one enjoy a meter of this road
if the end will be the grave with its bad smell?
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Great is man if he can find his aim in life
ere the foot of fate can tread on his live heart
and can secure what may give a tranquil smile
since he has embraced his hope before he dies.
It's not easy to discern why we were born.
Can it be an act of chance with no intent?
Why did people look for creeds from ancient times
to perceive what gave them faith for such a trip?
It's a drama, but the actors have sharp minds
which enforce them to reflect and find its gist.
If this journey is a whim of sexy two,
it will be a crime to have a child on earth.
Who enjoys this aimless life if it's a way
to a grave that waits for all who come and leave?
How can one enjoy a meter of this road
if the end will be the grave with its bad smell?
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
18th Jan 2022 10:55pm
This is great, Joseph. You have an excellent style.
"if the end will be the grave and horrid smell" = I would suggest a different word to "horrid", it doesn't fit in with the style, imo... "the smell of decay", maybe?
"if the end will be the grave and horrid smell" = I would suggest a different word to "horrid", it doesn't fit in with the style, imo... "the smell of decay", maybe?
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Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
19th Jan 2022 9:46am
Thank you very much for your very encouraging words, your joining it to your reading collection, and your suggestion, Lawrence. I hope you like my change.
Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
22nd Jan 2022 7:11pm
Was it true/is it true: "Eat, drink, and be merry because tomorrow we die"? As usual a great poem. Hugs and peace, (O)
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Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
23rd Jan 2022 7:32am
It's very kind of you to send me such very nice words, dear Oralizer. They are great encouragement to me. Thanks a lot for your appreciation.
Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
27th Jan 2022 10:17pm
Regretfully I have to say that this not only another of your submissions that are made up of poorly written, philosophically sophomoric rhetorical questions, but also a dreary, factually insupportable sermons that is essentially a rehash of a previous dreary, question begging and factually insupportable submission on on the same theme and subject.
"Great is man if he can find his aim in life
ere the foot of fate can tread on his live heart
and can secure what may give a tranquil smile
since he has embraced his hope before he dies."
Unless this line
“and can secure what may give a tranquil smile”
is written
“and can secure what may give TO HIM a tranquil smile”,
its meaning is ambiguous, even if there is such a thing as a “tranquil smile”..
But more importantly, and leaving aside (1) that “ere” is something that belongs in writings of the 18th century and (2) that the “foot of fate” is a laughable expression, even if fate had feet, you are assuming here without warrant that one’s hope is always to find out before one dies what one’s purpose in life is But even if that’s true, is it simply not true that anyone who determines what one’s aim in life is always finds that this aim is achievable and will be achieved. And this being the case, then finding one’s purpose in life is not a guarantee that one will “embrace” one’s hope (for what, BTW?) before one dies, even if "embracing one's hope" is the same as realizing it..
"It's not easy to discern why we were born."
Really? Isn’t it ultimately because two people had unprotected sex at the time a woman was fertile and that they decided against abortion or that tow people were successful in satisfying their intentions of having children .
"Can it be an act of chance with no intent?"
Yes, even if there is such a thing as “an act of chance”,, there are unintended pregnancies. And a person’s being conceived and brought to term is often something that was not intended to have happened.
Now if you were trying to say that it may not be easy to determine what it is that may give any particular life meaning and purpose, let alone to ask if a person's being born is part of, and the fulfillment of, some over arching cosmic plan, follows some a purpose to life, you have come nowhere close to saying so.
"Why did people look for creeds from ancient times
to perceive what gave them faith for such a trip?"
Leaving aside the fact that it’s not clear here whether you are saying that the search for “faith giving” creeds has been going on for a long time or that people look at creeds that were written a long time ago to give them , your apparent claim that creeds are things that allow people to see what it is that gives them "faith" for a particular "trip" (presumably from birth to death) rather than expressions of the contents of one’s or one’s community’s essential beliefs“ is absurd.. And does one need “faith” (what ever that word means) to have the strength or what ever else is necessary to travel through life with some degree of happiness? I thought the issue at hand was whether one will be able to discern whether one's life has an aim, the fulfillment of which makes "man" great.
"it's a drama, but the actors have sharp minds
which enforce them to reflect and find its gist."
There’s your limited vocabulary showing again. And it is simply not true that every one who appears upon the stage of life has a sharp mind, let alone always asks what the journey through life is all about or whether there’s any purpose to it.
"If this journey is a whim of sexy two,"
A whim of what?
"it will be a crime to have a child on earth."
Really. So it wouldn’t be a crime if a “sexy” (not ugly) two had a child off earth? And even if a child’s birth is the result of a whim, why would this be "a crime" for which a "sexy two" could be charged as law breakers? Does this prevent a child from ever being a contributor to the benefit of human life?
"Who **enjoys** this aimless life if it's a way
to a grave that waits for all who come and leave?
How can one **enjoy **a meter of this road
if the end will be the grave with its bad smell?"
Leaving aside (1) the fact that the dead cannot smell anything and therefore that they would not, once dead, experience any unpleasantness from the way that graves supposedly smell, and (2) that your assertion that a person's life is by definition aimless since it ends in death is question begging as well as something that contradicts what you affirm in your opening lines, are you really asserting (again) that unless there is an afterlife, no pleasure or meaning or aims worth pursuing can be found or experienced by mortals in their brief span on earth, let alone that despite the fact that life ends in personal oblivion, no one ever has found life a blessing and full of enjoyments?
If so, you are (once again) spouting nonsense – and more importantly, nonsense that is couched in lines that do not display a scintilla of poetic artistry.
"Great is man if he can find his aim in life
ere the foot of fate can tread on his live heart
and can secure what may give a tranquil smile
since he has embraced his hope before he dies."
Unless this line
“and can secure what may give a tranquil smile”
is written
“and can secure what may give TO HIM a tranquil smile”,
its meaning is ambiguous, even if there is such a thing as a “tranquil smile”..
But more importantly, and leaving aside (1) that “ere” is something that belongs in writings of the 18th century and (2) that the “foot of fate” is a laughable expression, even if fate had feet, you are assuming here without warrant that one’s hope is always to find out before one dies what one’s purpose in life is But even if that’s true, is it simply not true that anyone who determines what one’s aim in life is always finds that this aim is achievable and will be achieved. And this being the case, then finding one’s purpose in life is not a guarantee that one will “embrace” one’s hope (for what, BTW?) before one dies, even if "embracing one's hope" is the same as realizing it..
"It's not easy to discern why we were born."
Really? Isn’t it ultimately because two people had unprotected sex at the time a woman was fertile and that they decided against abortion or that tow people were successful in satisfying their intentions of having children .
"Can it be an act of chance with no intent?"
Yes, even if there is such a thing as “an act of chance”,, there are unintended pregnancies. And a person’s being conceived and brought to term is often something that was not intended to have happened.
Now if you were trying to say that it may not be easy to determine what it is that may give any particular life meaning and purpose, let alone to ask if a person's being born is part of, and the fulfillment of, some over arching cosmic plan, follows some a purpose to life, you have come nowhere close to saying so.
"Why did people look for creeds from ancient times
to perceive what gave them faith for such a trip?"
Leaving aside the fact that it’s not clear here whether you are saying that the search for “faith giving” creeds has been going on for a long time or that people look at creeds that were written a long time ago to give them , your apparent claim that creeds are things that allow people to see what it is that gives them "faith" for a particular "trip" (presumably from birth to death) rather than expressions of the contents of one’s or one’s community’s essential beliefs“ is absurd.. And does one need “faith” (what ever that word means) to have the strength or what ever else is necessary to travel through life with some degree of happiness? I thought the issue at hand was whether one will be able to discern whether one's life has an aim, the fulfillment of which makes "man" great.
"it's a drama, but the actors have sharp minds
which enforce them to reflect and find its gist."
There’s your limited vocabulary showing again. And it is simply not true that every one who appears upon the stage of life has a sharp mind, let alone always asks what the journey through life is all about or whether there’s any purpose to it.
"If this journey is a whim of sexy two,"
A whim of what?
"it will be a crime to have a child on earth."
Really. So it wouldn’t be a crime if a “sexy” (not ugly) two had a child off earth? And even if a child’s birth is the result of a whim, why would this be "a crime" for which a "sexy two" could be charged as law breakers? Does this prevent a child from ever being a contributor to the benefit of human life?
"Who **enjoys** this aimless life if it's a way
to a grave that waits for all who come and leave?
How can one **enjoy **a meter of this road
if the end will be the grave with its bad smell?"
Leaving aside (1) the fact that the dead cannot smell anything and therefore that they would not, once dead, experience any unpleasantness from the way that graves supposedly smell, and (2) that your assertion that a person's life is by definition aimless since it ends in death is question begging as well as something that contradicts what you affirm in your opening lines, are you really asserting (again) that unless there is an afterlife, no pleasure or meaning or aims worth pursuing can be found or experienced by mortals in their brief span on earth, let alone that despite the fact that life ends in personal oblivion, no one ever has found life a blessing and full of enjoyments?
If so, you are (once again) spouting nonsense – and more importantly, nonsense that is couched in lines that do not display a scintilla of poetic artistry.
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Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
Very dear Baldwin,
Thank you very much for your great interest in criticizing my poem. I find you r criticism very useful. However, you were striving to convince me that certain points were not clear, but at the same time you explained their meanings, which showed me that they were clear even the the critic who was contradicting himself. Sorry, Baldwin, none of your points could convince me that you were honest in what you said.
Thank you very much for your great interest in criticizing my poem. I find you r criticism very useful. However, you were striving to convince me that certain points were not clear, but at the same time you explained their meanings, which showed me that they were clear even the the critic who was contradicting himself. Sorry, Baldwin, none of your points could convince me that you were honest in what you said.
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I did not explain the meanings of your lines. I noted why they were not clear and ASKED about what it was you were TRYING to say and noted that IF you were trying to say X, you hadn't done so. Stop reading into what I wrote things I did not say.
More importantly, stop claiming that a person cannot experience happiness or find that his/her life has purpose unless there is an after life.
And who are you to claim that I am dishonest in what I said about your poorly written rehash of the hobby horse you keep riding?
More importantly, stop claiming that a person cannot experience happiness or find that his/her life has purpose unless there is an after life.
And who are you to claim that I am dishonest in what I said about your poorly written rehash of the hobby horse you keep riding?
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Re. WHAT IS THE AIM?
28th Jan 2022 6:33pm
Very dear Baldwin,
1- This is poetry, Baldwin. It has a rhythmic cadence, which doesn't help you to write the details which are used in prose. BTW, what's your opinion of the rhythm?
2- What's wrong with the word" ere", Baldwin? It is still used when it fits the rhythm.
3- Do you write all the details in your poetry to make it clear?
4- please don't use the boring details in your criticism. THANK YOU, BALDWIN.
1- This is poetry, Baldwin. It has a rhythmic cadence, which doesn't help you to write the details which are used in prose. BTW, what's your opinion of the rhythm?
2- What's wrong with the word" ere", Baldwin? It is still used when it fits the rhythm.
3- Do you write all the details in your poetry to make it clear?
4- please don't use the boring details in your criticism. THANK YOU, BALDWIN.