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The Power Of Poetry (reposted for Lokigirlofmischief)
“There are no coincidences,” Sigmund Freud.
The following was inspired by Cherie Sumner’s poem, ‘The Scythian Empire Rises Again’.
The Power of Poetry
The poetic balladeer, Jim Morrison, put to music his poem, ‘Soft Parade’, in July of 1969. From it comes the following verse.
“A cobra on my left
Leopard on my right, yeah
The deer woman in a silk dress”
Was this just a part of a drug filled rant, or was this a prophetic vision? Morrison claimed to have had visions. But what did he mean by such gibberish as a ‘deer woman’ flanked by a leopard and a cobra? Were these images of the future, or something from the past? Of course, most would argue what Jim would see, came only from his trips on LSD.
But a quarter of a century later, in July of 1993, on the steppes of Southern Siberia, Morrison’s vision came true with a volition. Unearthed below the permafrost was the tomb of a Scythian warrior woman. Frozen for centuries, her remains were in nearly pristine condition. By her lavish tomb, archeologists theorize she was a member of royalty, in this maternal dominated warrior society.
Now for the heebie jeebies.
Wearing a beautiful silk dress, the ice maiden was covered with elaborate tattoos of beautiful deer. On each side of her lay carved figurines of animals. On her left; an ornate serpent or snake, on her right; gold covered snow leopards, fashioned in the same style as several snow leopard tattoos on her body.
It’s my conclusion, that this Scythian warrior woman was the ‘deer woman in the silk dress’ that Morrison had envisioned decades earlier. And I have no doubt that if old Sigmund were alive today, he would agree. So my friends, never underestimate the power of poetry.
“Everywhere I go I find that a poet has been there before me,” Sigmund Freud.
Published 25th Nov 2014
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25th Nov 2014 8:01am
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25th Nov 2014 9:34am
Fascinating story which i wish to concur!Every time i put my dreams into writing, most come true!Scary at time though!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
25th Nov 2014 11:01am
Perhaps, his streaming consciousness was informing him at the time he constructed those lyrics. Jim Morrison, that is.
Hmm. I certainly don't believe there are any coincidences either.
Thanks for the repost. It was definitely an epic write to read !
Hmm. I certainly don't believe there are any coincidences either.
Thanks for the repost. It was definitely an epic write to read !
This is the so called Pazyryk 'Ice Maiden.'On an empirical note I have searched books and the internet, but can find no mention of any carved figurines in the grave. Instead there is repeated reference to a mirror, an ornate headdress, a yak horn vessel a wooden table, a bowl of coriander seeds and and a necklace of wooden camels. What are your sources for these artefacts? The headdress actually had gold covered 'feline' figures as part of its structure, which may have become confused with figurines of snow leopards, but I can find no trace of a serpent like figurine at all. Nor did she wear a silk dress. It was made of wool. She did wear a silk blouse though. It does not appear that she was a 'warrior' but rather a shaman or storyteller. Obviously speculative but there were certainly no weapons found in her tomb. I suspect that this is an urban myth. I would be grateful if you could provide sources.
25th Nov 2014 1:52pm
I can't find a way to post more pics in this form, but the following link may take your to snake/serpent head carving.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0WxzwfLz6k/UbuPukGpDcI/AAAAAAAABwc/Tqi2cYdl8hY/s1600/Griffin+and+deer.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0WxzwfLz6k/UbuPukGpDcI/AAAAAAAABwc/Tqi2cYdl8hY/s1600/Griffin+and+deer.jpg
25th Nov 2014 2:02pm
The following link should take you to the image of the deer with snake antlers.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/64/8e/2c648e5eeecc389ced90b4bbccbc7f11.jpg
If you don't believe Scythian women were warriors I strongly suggest you read the accounts of Herodotus.
Also note; as in any major excavation not all artifacts found are photographed for display.
I hope I supplied you enough documentation for your satisfaction.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/64/8e/2c648e5eeecc389ced90b4bbccbc7f11.jpg
If you don't believe Scythian women were warriors I strongly suggest you read the accounts of Herodotus.
Also note; as in any major excavation not all artifacts found are photographed for display.
I hope I supplied you enough documentation for your satisfaction.
25th Nov 2014 1:20pm
You said, "Nor did she wear a silk dress" and "I would be grateful if you could provide sources."
“She was buried in a yellow silk tussah blouse”, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden.
The Ice Maiden wore a headdress that was placed on her head that stood about 3 feet tall. It had a wooden structure and molded felt type of covering. In addition, carved into her headdress were about 8 feline figures that had a gold covering. She wore a yellow silk tussah blouse made from wild silk supposedly from India that showed that trade was very popular at the time. http://theicemaiden.weebly.com/artifactsbeliefsmummification.html
Even the animal style tattoos were preserved on her pale skin: creatures with horns that develop into flowered forms. Her coffin was made large enough to accommodate the high felt headdress she was wearing, which had 15 gilded wooden birds sewn to it. On a gold buckle retrieved from another tomb, a similar woman's headdress intertwined with branches of the tree of life are depicted. Her blouse was originally thought to be made of wild "tussah" silk but closer examination of the fibers indicate the material is not Chinese but was a wild silk which came from somewhere else, perhaps India
http://mongolschinaandthesilkroad.blogspot.com/2010/10/siberian-ice-maiden.html
Ice Maiden’s bridle and grip, at the bottom you’ll see two serpents facing each other. Look closely, as their form is quite similar to that of serpent heads they use to grace the bows of ships.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Siberian+Ice+Maiden+artifacts&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=04C9CEF1F7216194EF7C62904335EDE78F0275D5&selectedIndex=0
gold-covered carved cats…stylized images of deer and snow leopards carved in leather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_burials#Ice_Maiden
“She was buried in a yellow silk tussah blouse”, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Ice_Maiden.
The Ice Maiden wore a headdress that was placed on her head that stood about 3 feet tall. It had a wooden structure and molded felt type of covering. In addition, carved into her headdress were about 8 feline figures that had a gold covering. She wore a yellow silk tussah blouse made from wild silk supposedly from India that showed that trade was very popular at the time. http://theicemaiden.weebly.com/artifactsbeliefsmummification.html
Even the animal style tattoos were preserved on her pale skin: creatures with horns that develop into flowered forms. Her coffin was made large enough to accommodate the high felt headdress she was wearing, which had 15 gilded wooden birds sewn to it. On a gold buckle retrieved from another tomb, a similar woman's headdress intertwined with branches of the tree of life are depicted. Her blouse was originally thought to be made of wild "tussah" silk but closer examination of the fibers indicate the material is not Chinese but was a wild silk which came from somewhere else, perhaps India
http://mongolschinaandthesilkroad.blogspot.com/2010/10/siberian-ice-maiden.html
Ice Maiden’s bridle and grip, at the bottom you’ll see two serpents facing each other. Look closely, as their form is quite similar to that of serpent heads they use to grace the bows of ships.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Siberian+Ice+Maiden+artifacts&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=04C9CEF1F7216194EF7C62904335EDE78F0275D5&selectedIndex=0
gold-covered carved cats…stylized images of deer and snow leopards carved in leather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk_burials#Ice_Maiden
25th Nov 2014 1:31pm
I'll also post a photo of a wooden serpent head eating a deer. This is considered one of the more fascinating finds, as serpents fighting deer was a very common ancient Gallic theme.
Another object was a carved ornate figurine of a deer, but unlike the her tattoo stag that had flowers blossoming on the ends of its antlers, this stags tines form into serpents/snakes.
I'll change the posting pic in days to come to show this as well.
Another object was a carved ornate figurine of a deer, but unlike the her tattoo stag that had flowers blossoming on the ends of its antlers, this stags tines form into serpents/snakes.
I'll change the posting pic in days to come to show this as well.
I am afraid that your references do not provide the necessary evidence.
1. The serpent/head carving you refer to is clearly a griffon/eagle head and not that of a serpent. Since when did snakes have beaks. Nor is the provenance shown and I very much doubt it came from that particular casket.
2. As you yourself accept she did not wear a silk dress. As I indeed specified she wore a woollen dress and a silk blouse.
3. The two 'serpents' on the bridle and bit are once again griffin/eagle heads and were outside the actual grave so were not figurines found to her right and left.
4. The gold covered cats were part of her headdress and were not found lying to her right.
5. The images of the snow leopards were outside the casket and were not gold covered or lying to her right.
I suspect that someone has imaginatively reconstructed the entire scenario to make it coincide with the lyrics. It does not give me the heebie jeebies and certainly does not allow me to conclude that Morrison had a veridical vision. Like so many of these admittedly powerful stories it collapses with a modicum of research.
1. The serpent/head carving you refer to is clearly a griffon/eagle head and not that of a serpent. Since when did snakes have beaks. Nor is the provenance shown and I very much doubt it came from that particular casket.
2. As you yourself accept she did not wear a silk dress. As I indeed specified she wore a woollen dress and a silk blouse.
3. The two 'serpents' on the bridle and bit are once again griffin/eagle heads and were outside the actual grave so were not figurines found to her right and left.
4. The gold covered cats were part of her headdress and were not found lying to her right.
5. The images of the snow leopards were outside the casket and were not gold covered or lying to her right.
I suspect that someone has imaginatively reconstructed the entire scenario to make it coincide with the lyrics. It does not give me the heebie jeebies and certainly does not allow me to conclude that Morrison had a veridical vision. Like so many of these admittedly powerful stories it collapses with a modicum of research.
25th Nov 2014 6:38pm
Harp, first you said she said she wasn't wearing a silk dress; so I proved.
Then you said there were no artifacts in her tomb, then I proved that.
You keep changing things up as we go. So here, let me leave you with this, "may you and yours have a very Merry Christmas!"
Then you said there were no artifacts in her tomb, then I proved that.
You keep changing things up as we go. So here, let me leave you with this, "may you and yours have a very Merry Christmas!"
25th Nov 2014 8:17pm
No Snugglebuck. I quote, ' Nor did she wear a silk dress. It was made of wool. She did wear a silk blouse though.' To which you responded ' She was buried in a yellow silk tussah blouse.' as apparently some sort of refutation.
Read it for yourself.
You said ' On each side of her lay carved figurines of animals. On her left; an ornate serpent or snake, on her right; gold covered snow leopards, fashioned in the same style as several snow leopard tattoos on her body.'
I said that I' can find no mention of any carved figurines in the grave. Instead there is repeated reference to a mirror, an ornate headdress, a yak horn vessel a wooden table, a bowl of coriander seeds and and a necklace of wooden camels. What are your sources for these artefacts?'
Your responses did not provide any mention of an ornate serpent or figurines of snow leopards laid at her side.'
The text is clear above. Let anyone read it for themselves.
I do not change things as we go.
I am content for any reader to check for themselves.
Read it for yourself.
You said ' On each side of her lay carved figurines of animals. On her left; an ornate serpent or snake, on her right; gold covered snow leopards, fashioned in the same style as several snow leopard tattoos on her body.'
I said that I' can find no mention of any carved figurines in the grave. Instead there is repeated reference to a mirror, an ornate headdress, a yak horn vessel a wooden table, a bowl of coriander seeds and and a necklace of wooden camels. What are your sources for these artefacts?'
Your responses did not provide any mention of an ornate serpent or figurines of snow leopards laid at her side.'
The text is clear above. Let anyone read it for themselves.
I do not change things as we go.
I am content for any reader to check for themselves.
25th Nov 2014 10:10pm
As sir, I am content, if they watch NOVA's special on the Siberian Ice Maiden, they will discover much of the same as I did.
Now, this will be the last I have to say to you, on this, or any other subject posted in DU. I know exactly where your coming from. I've been down this same road with others so many times, I immediately recognized your motive. In fact Sir, your quite transparent. So to save you the time, and to spare other members of DU the drama, let me say, "I believe in the divinity of Jesus, Siddhartha, Abraham, Mother Earth and Santa Clause. I believe in a spirit world, a divine power, and the yet to be discovered mind force of a combined humanity. I also subscribe to the unseen unproven powers of Love, Passion and Hate.
As such, I also recognize when a committed nihilistic atheist, such as yourself, is trying to deconstruct what others believe.
Funny, I actual respect true atheists such as yourself. However, I advice them, as I advice you, to askew poetry, music and sex for other pursuits, For as a committed atheist, you lack the talent to perform in all three.
As the old saying goes, "if you ain't got no soul, you cannot rock & roll!"
"Have a Merry Christmas Harpalycus, and a very happy New Year!"
Now, this will be the last I have to say to you, on this, or any other subject posted in DU. I know exactly where your coming from. I've been down this same road with others so many times, I immediately recognized your motive. In fact Sir, your quite transparent. So to save you the time, and to spare other members of DU the drama, let me say, "I believe in the divinity of Jesus, Siddhartha, Abraham, Mother Earth and Santa Clause. I believe in a spirit world, a divine power, and the yet to be discovered mind force of a combined humanity. I also subscribe to the unseen unproven powers of Love, Passion and Hate.
As such, I also recognize when a committed nihilistic atheist, such as yourself, is trying to deconstruct what others believe.
Funny, I actual respect true atheists such as yourself. However, I advice them, as I advice you, to askew poetry, music and sex for other pursuits, For as a committed atheist, you lack the talent to perform in all three.
As the old saying goes, "if you ain't got no soul, you cannot rock & roll!"
"Have a Merry Christmas Harpalycus, and a very happy New Year!"
25th Nov 2014 10:41pm
