Something fishy on DU
What the bloody hell is going on?
Could someone bring me up to speed? I have no idea what is going on here. - Not great to hear from a Moderator, but that is the truth.
It seems that if I don't log in every 3 days and do something, DU decides to have a meltdown and a sudden storm hits.
If there are any questions about the moderators or DU, or about something 'slightly off' on the site, message me. I take my role as Moderator very seriously, and owe my loyalty to the site, not to any faction. Perhaps I am seen as powerless, out-of-touch, or even naïve. I may seem slow to act, but that is because I act with thought, with empathy, and justly. You have not seen what I can truly do.
I have been part of DU for over a decade.
But apparently that means sod all: people would rather burn everything to the ground rather than explore every option.
Sky has not messaged me regarding the choices of actions of Mods; writing poems about such things only acts to skirt the issue. - It is words and voices in the wrong direction.
It always annoys me when things kick off yet I am left somewhat out of the loop; I have not reached the rank of 'Guardian of Shadows' by paying for it or out of nepotism.
Could someone bring me up to speed? I have no idea what is going on here. - Not great to hear from a Moderator, but that is the truth.
It seems that if I don't log in every 3 days and do something, DU decides to have a meltdown and a sudden storm hits.
If there are any questions about the moderators or DU, or about something 'slightly off' on the site, message me. I take my role as Moderator very seriously, and owe my loyalty to the site, not to any faction. Perhaps I am seen as powerless, out-of-touch, or even naïve. I may seem slow to act, but that is because I act with thought, with empathy, and justly. You have not seen what I can truly do.
I have been part of DU for over a decade.
But apparently that means sod all: people would rather burn everything to the ground rather than explore every option.
Sky has not messaged me regarding the choices of actions of Mods; writing poems about such things only acts to skirt the issue. - It is words and voices in the wrong direction.
It always annoys me when things kick off yet I am left somewhat out of the loop; I have not reached the rank of 'Guardian of Shadows' by paying for it or out of nepotism.
Anonymous
I ran out of credit. I can’t tell you.
All I know is, it isn’t fair.
Knew I shouldn’t have watched that one bloody video on YouTube.
All I know is, it isn’t fair.
Knew I shouldn’t have watched that one bloody video on YouTube.
I am quite shocked you do not know, Viddax. Aren't bannings discussed between moderators? Have you read this thread? Are you aware of the ( repeated ) attacks against Missy ( for being an "evil bitch" and more ), Johnny ( for being a sexual predator ), myself ( so much I can't remember, but fixing comps, paying off mods, and facist cunt comes to mind ), and the Moderators for accepting bribes and being biased?
Again, these are repeated attacks, not just once, twice, but thrice and so on. The SAME person keeps getting banned and returning to do the same thing. Then you have others who are claiming she was unfairly banned, and that free speech to say whatever you want to whomever you want should be allowed.
Anarchist ring a bell?
Again, these are repeated attacks, not just once, twice, but thrice and so on. The SAME person keeps getting banned and returning to do the same thing. Then you have others who are claiming she was unfairly banned, and that free speech to say whatever you want to whomever you want should be allowed.
Anarchist ring a bell?
Anonymous
Johnny clearly isn’t a sexual predator...he doesn’t write erotic poetry.
Ok folks, here's my two cents, per request of Kinkpoet:
1. I am not the lead moderator--the Webmiss is the "lead" and us mods are all on equal standing under her direction and amongst each other.
2. As for "guidelines", we have written guidelines for the mods when we review all the pictures and videos that get posted here, and they are as follows:
Typically always allowed:
Tasteful nude, such that you might find in a classical painting.
Multimedia that is only allowed on poems flagged "extreme content":
Full nude (including genitalia)
Erotica / softcore porn ("artistic" XXX without real life penetration close ups)
Never allowed multimedia:
Selling a product or designed to advertise a website (containing URL or phone number for example)
Logo or indirect promotion of an illegal website (e.g. warez) or hardcore porn website
Depicting rape, abuse or torture
Hardcore real life porn with close ups of penetration
Real death or extreme gore
Unrelated videos (not a spoken word version of the poem)
Copyrighted images, where the poster doesn't have permission to use it
3. As far as behavioral guidelines, which I assume you (Kink) are asking about ,there aren't anything expressly written out, but it should go without saying, and shouldn't have to be written out, that playing nice in the sandbox, is the adult thing to do and the overall goal. Trolling, catfishing, personal attacks, inciting forum riots, spamming, threats and anything else that falls under the heading of : "BEING AN ASSHOLE", is everything that would appear on a written list of behavioral guidelines, as things not to do.
4. For the topic of Sky and the bans, the explanation goes like this:
Ban #1--for inciting conspiracy theories in the original Covid thread, and turning them into personal attacks against certain DUP members she personally disliked.
Ban #2--for inciting conspiracy theories about the moderators as getting paid by certain DUP members, to be lenient, turn the other way, and play favorites when dealing with said members, also those who she personally disliked.
Ban #3--current ban for attempting to create anarchy by demanding the removal of all mods, as well as profanity-laced personal attacks against certain DUP members which she personally dislikes.
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I hope that explains things in enough detail that makes it clear as to the expectations around here vs. the infractions of late.
I have said it many times in the past and I will repeat it here again: Free Speech is not a free pass to act like an asshole without repercussion. It is not an ok to say what you want, to whomever you want, whenever you want to say it--just because you "can", doesn't mean that you "should". Hiding behind the front of "Free Speech", to hurl hatred, is what gets the corrective action, or "censorship" as some like to whine about when they get a ban, etc.
Sorry--no, it's not censorship, it's cleaning up the vomit and enforcing the rules (yes, rules--**GASP!**) that the Webmiss, who owns this website, has set forth, both written and unwritten. Do you let everyone come into your home and slash up your carpets, dump out your cabinets, stab your pets, etc? No? Well, that must mean that you have rules for conduct in your home. Same applies here, in the virtual environment.
As mods, we uphold these rules. We are not paid in any form, be it salary or bribes, we discuss and agree on corrective actions, and we do not single out or pick on anyone based on their situation(s) or abilities, disabilities or anything else other than the infraction itself. There is no "gang up" on the part of the mods, against autism, schizophrenia, depression, sexual/gender orientation, addiction, etc. Whatever your "thing" is, is of no consequence to us, but what is, is using it as a fucking crutch in order to abuse, degrade, demean and mistreat other members here.
We do our best to be understanding and give the benefit of the doubt and even second chances, but there's a saying in baseball that goes "three strikes, you're out", and so it should be here at DUP--and that's being very generous. So with that said, 3 bans, you're out, and as of this writing, that is what is going to happen to the aforementioned member in question here--I will be requesting suspension of her account. Yes, Sky is a brilliant poet and can work a verse like a pro, but there is no place for anarchy here at DUP when we have worked so hard over the years to rid this place of trolls, build positive relationships, and learn to treat each other with common courtesy.
Consider them a martyr if you want, but that's on you--always evaluate who you choose to worship, in light of the rubble they leave in their wake and ask yourself "was it worth it?".
1. I am not the lead moderator--the Webmiss is the "lead" and us mods are all on equal standing under her direction and amongst each other.
2. As for "guidelines", we have written guidelines for the mods when we review all the pictures and videos that get posted here, and they are as follows:
Typically always allowed:
Tasteful nude, such that you might find in a classical painting.
Multimedia that is only allowed on poems flagged "extreme content":
Full nude (including genitalia)
Erotica / softcore porn ("artistic" XXX without real life penetration close ups)
Never allowed multimedia:
Selling a product or designed to advertise a website (containing URL or phone number for example)
Logo or indirect promotion of an illegal website (e.g. warez) or hardcore porn website
Depicting rape, abuse or torture
Hardcore real life porn with close ups of penetration
Real death or extreme gore
Unrelated videos (not a spoken word version of the poem)
Copyrighted images, where the poster doesn't have permission to use it
3. As far as behavioral guidelines, which I assume you (Kink) are asking about ,there aren't anything expressly written out, but it should go without saying, and shouldn't have to be written out, that playing nice in the sandbox, is the adult thing to do and the overall goal. Trolling, catfishing, personal attacks, inciting forum riots, spamming, threats and anything else that falls under the heading of : "BEING AN ASSHOLE", is everything that would appear on a written list of behavioral guidelines, as things not to do.
4. For the topic of Sky and the bans, the explanation goes like this:
Ban #1--for inciting conspiracy theories in the original Covid thread, and turning them into personal attacks against certain DUP members she personally disliked.
Ban #2--for inciting conspiracy theories about the moderators as getting paid by certain DUP members, to be lenient, turn the other way, and play favorites when dealing with said members, also those who she personally disliked.
Ban #3--current ban for attempting to create anarchy by demanding the removal of all mods, as well as profanity-laced personal attacks against certain DUP members which she personally dislikes.
__________________________________
I hope that explains things in enough detail that makes it clear as to the expectations around here vs. the infractions of late.
I have said it many times in the past and I will repeat it here again: Free Speech is not a free pass to act like an asshole without repercussion. It is not an ok to say what you want, to whomever you want, whenever you want to say it--just because you "can", doesn't mean that you "should". Hiding behind the front of "Free Speech", to hurl hatred, is what gets the corrective action, or "censorship" as some like to whine about when they get a ban, etc.
Sorry--no, it's not censorship, it's cleaning up the vomit and enforcing the rules (yes, rules--**GASP!**) that the Webmiss, who owns this website, has set forth, both written and unwritten. Do you let everyone come into your home and slash up your carpets, dump out your cabinets, stab your pets, etc? No? Well, that must mean that you have rules for conduct in your home. Same applies here, in the virtual environment.
As mods, we uphold these rules. We are not paid in any form, be it salary or bribes, we discuss and agree on corrective actions, and we do not single out or pick on anyone based on their situation(s) or abilities, disabilities or anything else other than the infraction itself. There is no "gang up" on the part of the mods, against autism, schizophrenia, depression, sexual/gender orientation, addiction, etc. Whatever your "thing" is, is of no consequence to us, but what is, is using it as a fucking crutch in order to abuse, degrade, demean and mistreat other members here.
We do our best to be understanding and give the benefit of the doubt and even second chances, but there's a saying in baseball that goes "three strikes, you're out", and so it should be here at DUP--and that's being very generous. So with that said, 3 bans, you're out, and as of this writing, that is what is going to happen to the aforementioned member in question here--I will be requesting suspension of her account. Yes, Sky is a brilliant poet and can work a verse like a pro, but there is no place for anarchy here at DUP when we have worked so hard over the years to rid this place of trolls, build positive relationships, and learn to treat each other with common courtesy.
Consider them a martyr if you want, but that's on you--always evaluate who you choose to worship, in light of the rubble they leave in their wake and ask yourself "was it worth it?".
This does not look good Madame Lav
As a rep of the site I feel more tact should have been used by you in your reply.
Rules of conduct not in writing? left open for assumption ? or for webmiss ( any generic web Miss) to add what she chooses when she
chooses ?
Not good info Madame
I understand you as a
mod would want to meet the members at their level. To form a cohesive bond with them
but this is a serious issue and your description of the problems that resulted in Sky's ban deserve more respect than the way you have addressed it with a reference to a sandbox and assholes.
Those are personal expressions of yours not those of an unbiased moderator
There is no such thing as free speech on a privately owned web site
The person who contributes to a site does so with the risk of having anything removed by mods or web Miss
There is no internet Constitutiion
it's up to the site to make the guidelines clear and concise
DUP Policy
"You may not post obscene, degrading, harassing or humiliating User Content on the Site. You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website".
Why would you say they are not in writing ?
This is part of the guidelines here at DUP they are clear to the reader what is expected .
Madame Lav the language you use in this reply could be inciting someone to take sides
The words you chose like "whine" should have been chosen more carefully
You clearly have personal feelings about this situation and maybe should not be representing the site in this one
I as a member feel I deserve a more professional approach.
The sites mod's job in this case is to ban the user for violating said rule It is not their place to interject personal opinion
The mention about slashing carpets and stabbing pets is highly offensive I have had pets die recently and It hurt to read that comment
Your comments are less than professional Lav and I am not saying Sky's words should be allowed her actions were considered "flaming" I'm saying your close personal feelings are obvious and should not consider her fate
Have Viddax have a look at this issue with said member
As a rep of the site I feel more tact should have been used by you in your reply.
Rules of conduct not in writing? left open for assumption ? or for webmiss ( any generic web Miss) to add what she chooses when she
chooses ?
Not good info Madame
I understand you as a
mod would want to meet the members at their level. To form a cohesive bond with them
but this is a serious issue and your description of the problems that resulted in Sky's ban deserve more respect than the way you have addressed it with a reference to a sandbox and assholes.
Those are personal expressions of yours not those of an unbiased moderator
There is no such thing as free speech on a privately owned web site
The person who contributes to a site does so with the risk of having anything removed by mods or web Miss
There is no internet Constitutiion
it's up to the site to make the guidelines clear and concise
DUP Policy
"You may not post obscene, degrading, harassing or humiliating User Content on the Site. You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website".
Why would you say they are not in writing ?
This is part of the guidelines here at DUP they are clear to the reader what is expected .
Madame Lav the language you use in this reply could be inciting someone to take sides
The words you chose like "whine" should have been chosen more carefully
You clearly have personal feelings about this situation and maybe should not be representing the site in this one
I as a member feel I deserve a more professional approach.
The sites mod's job in this case is to ban the user for violating said rule It is not their place to interject personal opinion
The mention about slashing carpets and stabbing pets is highly offensive I have had pets die recently and It hurt to read that comment
Your comments are less than professional Lav and I am not saying Sky's words should be allowed her actions were considered "flaming" I'm saying your close personal feelings are obvious and should not consider her fate
Have Viddax have a look at this issue with said member
Anonymous
Just for the record: that slash up your carpet and stab your pets had me in hysterics.
Anonymous
I seem to have posted the exact same time as Val.
So my message wasn’t aimed at hers in anyway, about her pets.
So my message wasn’t aimed at hers in anyway, about her pets.
Anonymous
Valeriyabeyond said:
No worries DJ I know your comment was not meant to be harmful
That’s good.
I was waiting for someone to jump to my comment about Johnny not being a sexual predator because he doesn’t write erotic poetry...you know, like someone coming forth to say “So, you’re saying all those that do write erotic poetry are sexual predators” kinda thing lol.
I obviously don’t consider them that. In my head, it’s like, people want to throw such nonsense out, spin it back on them sort of thing lol.
No worries DJ I know your comment was not meant to be harmful
That’s good.
I was waiting for someone to jump to my comment about Johnny not being a sexual predator because he doesn’t write erotic poetry...you know, like someone coming forth to say “So, you’re saying all those that do write erotic poetry are sexual predators” kinda thing lol.
I obviously don’t consider them that. In my head, it’s like, people want to throw such nonsense out, spin it back on them sort of thing lol.
I don’t know who’s still on this site who’d care beyond a few old-timers, but I’ll be taking Miss_Sub’s departure as a chance to leave myself. I didn’t see the latest nonsense in the forums because I avoid them for that very reason, but hearing about it’s made me realise that this place hasn’t been a positive enough energy in my life for a very long time. I’ve been here since I was a teenager (when I had my original account) and I’m now pushing 30, so I feel like it’s time to move on. Those who want to can find me on FB, and every friend I’ve made doesn’t need to be named. Toodles.
Anonymous
So even when Miss Sub was here, that positive energy hasn’t been here for you, for a very long time?
I don’t get it.
I don’t get it.
Val,
First of all, it is not my sole decision on the fate of the account in question. I said I would be requesting removal and that means I can’t do it myself —I need the other mods & Webmiss to give input and act upon it. Not all the mods log in on a daily basis , so ultimately it will be up to the Webmiss .
As far as opinion , just because I’m a mod, doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to have an opinion —we are not robots that are computer programmed to check the ban or don’t ban , box, whenever a post is registered in on the site. Opinion has to come into play in determining if something indeed is ban -worthy or not.
Pets comment—my condolences on your own pet. I have lost pets too.
Assholes and sandboxes—sorry, the behavior I put those with, is indeed worthy of being not just an asshole , but also the hair around it. Some people need it spelled out bluntly for them in order to understand where we’re coming from, so blunt it was.
Frankly I’m fully fed up with the same issues and fights that keep arising despite prior bans, mod intervention , etc .
Is it ever going to end?
First of all, it is not my sole decision on the fate of the account in question. I said I would be requesting removal and that means I can’t do it myself —I need the other mods & Webmiss to give input and act upon it. Not all the mods log in on a daily basis , so ultimately it will be up to the Webmiss .
As far as opinion , just because I’m a mod, doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to have an opinion —we are not robots that are computer programmed to check the ban or don’t ban , box, whenever a post is registered in on the site. Opinion has to come into play in determining if something indeed is ban -worthy or not.
Pets comment—my condolences on your own pet. I have lost pets too.
Assholes and sandboxes—sorry, the behavior I put those with, is indeed worthy of being not just an asshole , but also the hair around it. Some people need it spelled out bluntly for them in order to understand where we’re coming from, so blunt it was.
Frankly I’m fully fed up with the same issues and fights that keep arising despite prior bans, mod intervention , etc .
Is it ever going to end?
dustyJournals said:So even when Miss Sub was here, that positive energy hasn’t been here for you, for a very long time?
I don’t get it.
lol Shit like that is exactly why I’m leaving and stopped bothering with the forums years ago. You can’t express yourself without someone being a pedantic shitbag, at best.
I don’t get it.
lol Shit like that is exactly why I’m leaving and stopped bothering with the forums years ago. You can’t express yourself without someone being a pedantic shitbag, at best.
Anonymous
The_Silly_Sibyl said:
lol Shit like that is exactly why I’m leaving and stopped bothering with the forums years ago. You can’t express yourself without someone being a pedantic shitbag, at best.
I think there’s some good work amongst the forums to be honest. Better than what’s in the actual poem section, but that’s my personal opinion.
Have a good day anyway, Silly.
lol Shit like that is exactly why I’m leaving and stopped bothering with the forums years ago. You can’t express yourself without someone being a pedantic shitbag, at best.
I think there’s some good work amongst the forums to be honest. Better than what’s in the actual poem section, but that’s my personal opinion.
Have a good day anyway, Silly.
