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Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications IV

MidnightSonneteer
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Here's another eye opener about what conservatives get up to when they think no one's watching...

https://mronline.org/2024/06/28/the-treachery-of-the-nazi-zionist-alliance/

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MidnightSonneteer said:Here's another eye opener about what conservatives get up to when they think no one's watching...

https://mronline.org/2024/06/28/the-treachery-of-the-nazi-zionist-alliance/


Holy shit. I'd heard of this, but never really read up on it.

“We want only the best of Jewish youth to come to us…only the educated to enter,” declared Israel’s future president Chaim Weizmann at the 1937 World Zionist Conference in Zurich, Switzerland, the other Jews will have to stay where they are and face whatever fate awaits them. These millions of Jews are dust on the wheels of history and they may have to be blown away. We don’t want them pouring into Palestine. We don’t want Tel Aviv to become another low-grade ghetto."


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July 1, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
JUL 02, 2024


Today the United States Supreme Court overthrew the central premise of American democracy: that no one is above the law.

It decided that the president of the United States, possibly the most powerful person on earth, has “absolute immunity” from criminal prosecution for crimes committed as part of the official acts at the core of presidential powers. The court also said it should be presumed that the president also has immunity for other official acts as well, unless that prosecution would not intrude on the authority of the executive branch.

This is a profound change to our fundamental law—an amendment to the Constitution, as historian David Blight noted. Writing for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts said that a president needs such immunity to make sure the president is willing to take “bold and unhesitating action” and make unpopular decisions, although no previous president has ever asserted that he is above the law or that he needed such immunity to fulfill his role. Roberts’s decision didn’t focus at all on the interest of the American people in guaranteeing that presidents carry out their duties within the guardrails of the law.

But this extraordinary power grab does not mean President Joe Biden can do as he wishes. As legal commentator Asha Rangappa pointed out, the court gave itself the power to determine which actions can be prosecuted and which cannot by making itself the final arbiter of what is “official” and what is not. Thus any action a president takes is subject to review by the Supreme Court, and it is reasonable to assume that this particular court would not give a Democrat the same leeway it would give Trump.

There is no historical or legal precedent for this decision. The Declaration of Independence was a litany of complaints against King George III designed to explain why the colonists were declaring themselves free of kings; the Constitution did not provide immunity for the president, although it did for members of Congress in certain conditions, and it provided for the removal of the president for “high crimes and misdemeanors”—what would those be if a president is immune from prosecution for his official acts? The framers worried about politicians’ overreach and carefully provided for oversight of leaders; the Supreme Court today smashed through that key guardrail.

Presidential immunity is a brand new doctrine. In February 2021, explaining away his vote to acquit Trump for inciting an insurrection, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who had also protected Trump in his first impeachment trial in 2019, said: “Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office…. We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation, and former presidents are not immune from being held accountable by either one.”

But it was not just McConnell who thought that way. At his confirmation hearing in 2005, now–Chief Justice John Roberts said: “I believe that no one is above the law under our system and that includes the president. The president is fully bound by the law, the Constitution, and statutes.”

In his 2006 confirmation hearings, Samuel Alito said: “There is nothing that is more important for our republic than the rule of law. No person in this country, no matter how high or powerful, is above the law.”

And in 2018, Brett Kavanaugh told the Senate: “No one’s above the law in the United States, that’s a foundational principle…. We’re all equal before the law…. The foundation of our Constitution was that…the presidency would not be a monarchy…. [T]he president is not above the law, no one is above the law.”

Now they have changed that foundational principle for a man who, according to White House officials during his term, called for the execution of people who upset him and who has vowed to exact vengeance on those he now thinks have wronged him. Over the past weekend, Trump shared an image on social media saying that former Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY), who sat on the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol, was guilty of treason and calling for “televised military tribunals” to try her.

Today, observers illustrated what Trump’s newly declared immunity could mean. Political scientist Norm Ornstein pointed out that Trump could “order his handpicked FBI Director to arrest and jail his political opponents. He can order the IRS to put liens on the property of media companies who criticize him and jail reporters and editors.” Legal analyst Joyce White Vance noted that a president with such broad immunity could order the assassination of Supreme Court justices, and retired military leader Mark Hertling wrote that he was “trying to figure out how a commander can refuse an illegal order from someone who is issuing it as an official act.”

Asha Rangappa wrote: “According to the Court, a President could literally provide the leader of a hostile adversary with intelligence needed to win a conflict in which we are involved, or even attack or invade the U.S., and not be prosecuted for treason, because negotiating with heads of state is an exclusive Art. II function. In case you were wondering.” Trump is currently under indictment for retaining classified documents. “The Court has handed Trump, if he wins this November, carte blanche to be a ‘dictator on day one,’ and the ability to use every lever of official power at his disposal for his personal ends without any recourse,” Rangappa wrote. “This election is now a clear-cut decision between democracy and autocracy. Vote accordingly.”

Trump’s lawyers are already challenging Trump’s conviction in the election interference case in which a jury found him guilty on 34 counts. Over Trump’s name on social media, a post said the decision was “BRILLIANTLY WRITTEN AND WISE, AND CLEARS THE STENCH FROM THE BIDEN TRIALS AND HOAXES, ALL OF THEM, THAT HAVE BEEN USED AS AN UNFAIR ATTACK ON CROOKED JOE BIDEN’S POLITICAL OPPONENT, ME. MANY OF THESE FAKE CASES WILL NOW DISAPPEAR, OR WITHER INTO OBSCURITY. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

Cont below

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Cont from above

In a concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas, whose wife was deeply involved in the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election, also took a shot at the appointment of special counsels to investigate such events. Thomas was not the only Justice whose participation in this decision was likely covered by a requirement that he recuse himself: Alito has publicly expressed support for the attempt to keep Trump in office against the will of voters. Trump appointed three of the other justices granting him immunity—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—to the court.

In a dissent in which Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson concurred, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that because of the majority’s decision, "[t]he relationship between the President and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably. In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law."

“Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. With fear for our democracy,” she wrote, “I dissent.”

Today’s decision destroyed the principle on which this nation was founded, that all people in the United States of America should be equal before the law.

The name of the case is “Donald J. Trump v. United States.”



Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-1-2024

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What. The. Fuck? Someone please enlighten me. He wasn't president when sexual assault happened? Correct?

Manhattan Prosecutors Agree to Postpone Trump’s Sentencing

Donald Trump was gifted yet another big win Tuesday morning after Manhattan prosecutors agreed to postpone his criminal sentencing so Judge Juan Merchan can weigh whether Monday’s immunity ruling by the Supreme Court may render his conviction moot.

The decision to officially postpone the sentencing lies with Merchan, but he’s likely to do so with both sides asking for yet another delay.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/manhattan-prosecutors-agree-to-postpone-trump-s-sentencing/ar-BB1phPnJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=dccfed4b81bc442d8326bba7a953a0a9&ei=28

What a fucked-up reality show the U.S. has become.

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The country...in fact, the world...is in deep trouble.  

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Ahavati said:



Misinformation, no fact checking.

PoetWarrior
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I find it curious that little has been expressed about the debate and its fallout / consequences.  For all the evil ascribed to Republicans, the democrats consistently prove that their lust for retaining power knows no ethics.  (I am not a Trump person; I am an anti-biden person.)  There seems to be no limit to the lies, conjecture posed as truth and litigious wrangling dems won’t follow in their character assassination.  Let’s examine the sins of democrats, past and present…if you want to be fair.  

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Ahavati said:



Statements equating Zionists to nazis or suggesting Zionist cabals are LIES.  No wonder the "person" who quoted this bs is "anaonymous".

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PoetWarrior said:I find it curious that little has been expressed about the debate and its fallout / consequences.  For all the evil ascribed to Republicans, the democrats consistently prove that their lust for retaining power knows no ethics.  (I am not a Trump person; I am an anti-biden person.)  There seems to be no limit to the lies, conjecture posed as truth and litigious wrangling dems won’t follow in their character assassination.  Let’s examine the sins of democrats, past and present…if you want to be fair.  

You're more than welcome to express your opinion, PW. If you feel Biden lied during the debate, please provide verification for it. I can certainly do that for Trump in spades; however, what he did was expected and I feel it's a waste of my time.

Biden performed horribly. You could hear by his voice he was sick. It was obvious. But he showed up and he tried, nonetheless. He had a bad night. A very bad night. No one's denying that.
But you know what? He's had my back in bad days, and I've got his right now, especially over the alternative.

Hands down.

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PoetWarrior said:

Statements equating Zionists to nazis or suggesting Zionist cabals are LIES.  No wonder the "person" who quoted this bs is "anaonymous".


So, you're saying the historical article that was posted containing the quotes was fabricated?

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It's way beyond time to pound the parasitic overclass with significant global taxation. Perhaps thusly...

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/07/02/a-practical-prescription-for-taxing-our-worlds-richest/


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Ahavati said:

So, you're saying the historical article that was posted containing the quotes was fabricated?


Do you have another similar article to post/ collaborate (from a credible source)?  No.  It's more falsity created by who knows who, for the sake of agitation.

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There were so many biden mis-statements, they'd be hard to enumerate.  Also, biden's opinions stated as fact.  All that is to be expected from someone with his dementia.  I'm not discounting biden or taking him for granted.  dems have shown their corrupt and slimy methods, anything might still keep their power yet-----much to the peril of America and real Americans.

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PoetWarrior said:There were so many biden mis-statements, they'd be hard to enumerate.  Also, biden's opinions stated as fact.  All that is to be expected from someone with his dementia.  I'm not discounting biden or taking him for granted.  dems have shown their corrupt and slimy methods, anything might still keep their power yet-----much to the peril of America and real Americans.

Okay, name just one.


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