Is the World Safe for Conversation Anymore?
EdibleWords said:
I don’t need to do that. I just need to be me, which is to say, express my concerns and stand up for my values while letting others do the same even if I don’t agree with them at all.
But PLENTY of people are ready to name names and numbers. Different kind of people - I think we should be talking about them. 👍
Do you ever wonder if you could survive in the kind of world you are so desperate to create?
I don’t need to do that. I just need to be me, which is to say, express my concerns and stand up for my values while letting others do the same even if I don’t agree with them at all.
But PLENTY of people are ready to name names and numbers. Different kind of people - I think we should be talking about them. 👍
Do you ever wonder if you could survive in the kind of world you are so desperate to create?
Ahavati said:
No, Val. Honestly, you're not believing in this country if you think this election was stolen.
That’s a bigoted notion, if I might say so.
big·ot·ed
/ˈbiɡədəd/
adjective;
obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. “Honestly, you're not believing in this country if you think this election was stolen.”
Randon said:
Do you ever wonder if you could survive in the kind of world you are so desperate to create?
Absolutely a survivable world. Because it’s a world of peace. It’s a world of calmer, more tolerant people. It’s a world free to argue and their words will always haunt them, found when they look on the ledger of Web 3.0 - so the lessons will be stiffer and gentler at once. Persuasive ideas will rule, not scary fists or mighty force.
Do you ever wonder if you could survive in the kind of world you are so desperate to create?
Absolutely a survivable world. Because it’s a world of peace. It’s a world of calmer, more tolerant people. It’s a world free to argue and their words will always haunt them, found when they look on the ledger of Web 3.0 - so the lessons will be stiffer and gentler at once. Persuasive ideas will rule, not scary fists or mighty force.
EdibleWords said:
Communism has crept into America in the name of liberalism. 🇨🇳
that sounds totally oxymoronic to me. How can communism disguise itself as liberalism? I mean on the other hand in truth capitalism has crept or was forced by nature into the most populous and powerful communist nation on earth. You think they're truly communists?
Can you please elaborate how has communist ideology crept into one of most liberal (I mean free and fair (on paper at least)) nations in the world?
I don't need any social media links. Just your own personal experiences that've lead you to believe so.
Do you mean those who are professing equality of all humans regardless of gender,race , religion or any other identity are some form of communists in disguise? Isn't equality enshrined in your Constitution?
Communism has crept into America in the name of liberalism. 🇨🇳
that sounds totally oxymoronic to me. How can communism disguise itself as liberalism? I mean on the other hand in truth capitalism has crept or was forced by nature into the most populous and powerful communist nation on earth. You think they're truly communists?
Can you please elaborate how has communist ideology crept into one of most liberal (I mean free and fair (on paper at least)) nations in the world?
I don't need any social media links. Just your own personal experiences that've lead you to believe so.
Do you mean those who are professing equality of all humans regardless of gender,race , religion or any other identity are some form of communists in disguise? Isn't equality enshrined in your Constitution?
EdibleWords said:
You have quite the imagination.
I expressed my view, which is more supported by fact than your idea that Trump led an insurrection.
But facts are not at issue. The idea, like Gina expressed, is about what happens to those who state their opinions. What was normal in every day conversation is getting branded by fake-woke fanatics as violent ideology.
Your view is a fabrication that was falsified by first hand evidence (TV footage).
The “facts” is exactly the issue. There can be no civil discourse when you engage in spreading lies.
You have quite the imagination.
I expressed my view, which is more supported by fact than your idea that Trump led an insurrection.
But facts are not at issue. The idea, like Gina expressed, is about what happens to those who state their opinions. What was normal in every day conversation is getting branded by fake-woke fanatics as violent ideology.
Your view is a fabrication that was falsified by first hand evidence (TV footage).
The “facts” is exactly the issue. There can be no civil discourse when you engage in spreading lies.
Noble_Incubus said:
Your view is a fabrication that was falsified by first hand evidence (TV footage).
The “facts” is exactly the issue. There can be no civil discourse when you engage in spreading lies.
Claiming I spread lies is not living on the high ground.
Everyone who disagrees with you is lying? That’s how political persecution starts. Stop hating on me. It’s really out of style already. 👍
Your view is a fabrication that was falsified by first hand evidence (TV footage).
The “facts” is exactly the issue. There can be no civil discourse when you engage in spreading lies.
Claiming I spread lies is not living on the high ground.
Everyone who disagrees with you is lying? That’s how political persecution starts. Stop hating on me. It’s really out of style already. 👍
EdibleWords said:
Claiming I spread lies is not living on the high ground.
Everyone who disagrees with you is lying? That’s how political persecution starts. Stop hating on me. It’s really out of style already. 👍
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election. Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
Claiming I spread lies is not living on the high ground.
Everyone who disagrees with you is lying? That’s how political persecution starts. Stop hating on me. It’s really out of style already. 👍
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election. Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
https://youtu.be/6FdBz0tPY2o
France now, as many nations, are denouncing the "Woke" left in the U.S as a poisoning cultural Marxist infection with an anti culture, racist, history rewriting doctrine while proclaiming to fight injustice. Macron, as many other leaders, see this as a danger and are pushing measures to stop it's spreading in France and other countries, to stop from, in their words, destroying their society thru suppression, cancel culture, and race segregation repackaged as progressivism...
France now, as many nations, are denouncing the "Woke" left in the U.S as a poisoning cultural Marxist infection with an anti culture, racist, history rewriting doctrine while proclaiming to fight injustice. Macron, as many other leaders, see this as a danger and are pushing measures to stop it's spreading in France and other countries, to stop from, in their words, destroying their society thru suppression, cancel culture, and race segregation repackaged as progressivism...
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Noble_Incubus said:
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election. Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
You can try, but you might want to consider that being vigilant in "arguing against" lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, etc is what aids such a person in continuing to spread them.
The topic started off with a rather vague notion that "the Left" was physically threatening people like her from speaking their minds.
Meanwhile, a hundred plus Trump supporters are being arrested for comitting acts of violence caught on multiple cameras, attempting to derail legal election proceedings, and threatening to physically harm elected officials - as Donald Trump is standing trial for encouraging ( their ) violent insurrection.
Now, given the evidence at hand, it should be fairly obvious that no argument is necessary. Clearly, the opposite is occuring in the United Stated. The facts or the Truth does not need to be defended.
If you understand the phenomena that is QAnon, then you are aware that it is a means of empowering people into defending the United States from vaguely stated evils within it.
Likewise, you are being empowered - to prove this and that isn't true because of the notion that if you don't, the misinformation will spread. But what you don't realize is that is how the misinformation spreads. By debunking False Claim A, you gave the person the opportunity to present False Claims B, C, & D that bring you back to Square One.
All the while reinforcing the initial storyline by said person that her voice is being suppressed because she has an "alternate version of what's happening" and thus "another side that is being discouraged from being vocalized".
So, with this in mind, let Edible have her say. Let Runaway have his say. Let them bump the numerous threads they have trying to incite an argument with vague notions involving "The Left" this and "Democrats" that and "Libs" whatever. Let them start a hundred more threads than the dozen or so they already have and abandoned because no one chomped on the bait.
Don't give oxygen to the fires.
Wait for something else to come along that is actually worth discussing and can be discussed.
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election. Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
You can try, but you might want to consider that being vigilant in "arguing against" lies, misinformation, conspiracy theories, etc is what aids such a person in continuing to spread them.
The topic started off with a rather vague notion that "the Left" was physically threatening people like her from speaking their minds.
Meanwhile, a hundred plus Trump supporters are being arrested for comitting acts of violence caught on multiple cameras, attempting to derail legal election proceedings, and threatening to physically harm elected officials - as Donald Trump is standing trial for encouraging ( their ) violent insurrection.
Now, given the evidence at hand, it should be fairly obvious that no argument is necessary. Clearly, the opposite is occuring in the United Stated. The facts or the Truth does not need to be defended.
If you understand the phenomena that is QAnon, then you are aware that it is a means of empowering people into defending the United States from vaguely stated evils within it.
Likewise, you are being empowered - to prove this and that isn't true because of the notion that if you don't, the misinformation will spread. But what you don't realize is that is how the misinformation spreads. By debunking False Claim A, you gave the person the opportunity to present False Claims B, C, & D that bring you back to Square One.
All the while reinforcing the initial storyline by said person that her voice is being suppressed because she has an "alternate version of what's happening" and thus "another side that is being discouraged from being vocalized".
So, with this in mind, let Edible have her say. Let Runaway have his say. Let them bump the numerous threads they have trying to incite an argument with vague notions involving "The Left" this and "Democrats" that and "Libs" whatever. Let them start a hundred more threads than the dozen or so they already have and abandoned because no one chomped on the bait.
Don't give oxygen to the fires.
Wait for something else to come along that is actually worth discussing and can be discussed.
Anonymous
anna_grin said:very well said jb that’s what i was getting at admittedly without the energy or will to present it as fluently as you
it's why Ahavati and I never bothered to reboot the Freedom of Speech or Covid 19 threads for a 3rd time. They were constantly being derailed with false claims and distractions followed up with the same whinings that voices were being suppressed.
it's why Ahavati and I never bothered to reboot the Freedom of Speech or Covid 19 threads for a 3rd time. They were constantly being derailed with false claims and distractions followed up with the same whinings that voices were being suppressed.
JohnnyBlaze said:
it's why Ahavati and I never bothered to reboot the Freedom of Speech or Covid 19 threads for a 3rd time. They were constantly being derailed with false claims and distractions followed up with the same whinings that voices were being suppressed.
yeah. i tried debate, on the topic of vaccination, which spiralled into abortion through deflection, and the same points I’d already shown to be false, the same arguments I’d already explained didn’t make sense, we’re just brought up again once the thread had buried what i initially said. so to a casual observer it looked as if i had no valid response, or it might have looked like that.
no sir. not for me, not again.
it's why Ahavati and I never bothered to reboot the Freedom of Speech or Covid 19 threads for a 3rd time. They were constantly being derailed with false claims and distractions followed up with the same whinings that voices were being suppressed.
yeah. i tried debate, on the topic of vaccination, which spiralled into abortion through deflection, and the same points I’d already shown to be false, the same arguments I’d already explained didn’t make sense, we’re just brought up again once the thread had buried what i initially said. so to a casual observer it looked as if i had no valid response, or it might have looked like that.
no sir. not for me, not again.
Noble_Incubus said:
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
🙏
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
Well saying everybody who disagrees with you is a liar is a bad start to a conversation.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
God is real. Call it a lie if you want, but I include my beliefs as I converse.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election.
You can prove that, how? I watched votes get taken away in real time. I saw the way votes were added, too. And on and on. I didn’t miss much.
Notice that I’m not debating w/you about it. Why? Because I believe the evidence is overwhelming and in broad daylight. And time will clarify even more.
Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
God is real. The sooner you admit it and move on, the better. The evidence is overwhelming. Do your own math.
This thread is not about what’s fact regarding elections, it’s about our right to discuss our beliefs publicly. There’s a thread for discussing stolen elections, and this ain’t it.
I don’t hate you, I barely know you. As a side note I do really like your poetry. In particular your relatively recent poem on abortion really made me think.
🙏
I don’t care if you think I’m trigger happy, I don’t care if you think I’m delusional, I don’t care if you disagree with me. What I care about is the truth.
Well saying everybody who disagrees with you is a liar is a bad start to a conversation.
What I don’t like are lies. If you spread them I will call you on it.
God is real. Call it a lie if you want, but I include my beliefs as I converse.
The harsh reality is that there was no grand left wing conspiracy to steal the election.
You can prove that, how? I watched votes get taken away in real time. I saw the way votes were added, too. And on and on. I didn’t miss much.
Notice that I’m not debating w/you about it. Why? Because I believe the evidence is overwhelming and in broad daylight. And time will clarify even more.
Trump lost because he was unpopular due to a mix of corruption and incompetence. The sooner you admit that and move on with your life the better.
God is real. The sooner you admit it and move on, the better. The evidence is overwhelming. Do your own math.
This thread is not about what’s fact regarding elections, it’s about our right to discuss our beliefs publicly. There’s a thread for discussing stolen elections, and this ain’t it.
cold_fusion said:
that sounds totally oxymoronic to me. How can communism disguise itself as liberalism?
You recently answered that yourself.
How could religious leaders serve the devil? By fiat. Deception.
I mean on the other hand in truth capitalism has crept or was forced by nature into the most populous and powerful communist nation on earth. You think they're truly communists?
It’s about what they do (selling out to China for example)
Can you please elaborate how has communist ideology crept into one of most liberal (I mean free and fair (on paper at least)) nations in the world?
Blackmail mafias. Fruity little clubs. Ever seen the South Park episode with Chef joining the fruity little club?
Do you mean those who are professing equality of all humans regardless of gender,race , religion or any other identity are some form of communists in disguise? Isn't equality enshrined in your Constitution?
If you are talking about Richards Spencer and Ibram Kendi they both voted for Biden, and they both are racists by their own admissions.
Actions vs shallow lip service.
that sounds totally oxymoronic to me. How can communism disguise itself as liberalism?
You recently answered that yourself.
How could religious leaders serve the devil? By fiat. Deception.
I mean on the other hand in truth capitalism has crept or was forced by nature into the most populous and powerful communist nation on earth. You think they're truly communists?
It’s about what they do (selling out to China for example)
Can you please elaborate how has communist ideology crept into one of most liberal (I mean free and fair (on paper at least)) nations in the world?
Blackmail mafias. Fruity little clubs. Ever seen the South Park episode with Chef joining the fruity little club?
Do you mean those who are professing equality of all humans regardless of gender,race , religion or any other identity are some form of communists in disguise? Isn't equality enshrined in your Constitution?
If you are talking about Richards Spencer and Ibram Kendi they both voted for Biden, and they both are racists by their own admissions.
Actions vs shallow lip service.
