Freedom of Speech and Censorship Part 2
#Blacklivesmatter
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Over the past week, we’ve heard from communities across the country who, like us, have demanded radical transformative change that moves beyond policing as key to public safety. We’ve seen dozens of cities adopt the goals of #8CANTWAIT, policies that can reduce the harm caused by police in the short-term. And while we are proud of the impact we were able to make, we at Campaign Zero acknowledge that, even with the best of intentions, the #8CANTWAIT campaign unintentionally detracted from efforts of fellow organizers invested in paradigmatic shifts that are newly possible in this moment. For this we apologize wholeheartedly, and without reservation. Our organization was founded on utilizing a data-driven approach to creating solutions, and we are building processes to ensure our future projects are bolder, more transparent and accountable to communities.
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Anonymous
drone said:[ ... ]
THESE WORDS AMAZE ME
OR IS IT BECAUSE
I'M LIVING ON
ANOTHER PLANET
We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. Lets start with historically shall we
yes in the history that you preach African people sold African men woman and children to white and non white slave traders that would be historically if you believe that these slave traders were running around Africa catching thousands of Africans what can I say Slavery Abolition Act, (1833), in British history, act of Parliament that abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and South Africa
Slavery in Great Britain existed and was recognised from before the Roman occupation until the 12th century, when chattel slavery disappeared, at least for a time, after the Norman Conquest. Former slaves merged into the larger body of serfs in Britain and no longer were recognized separately in law or custom.SLAVERY has been around for a long long time unpaid slavery that is Now days we have low paid SLAVERY you are mixing slavery with racism SLAVERY IS NOT RACIST if the american indians were not so untrainable as slaves
[ .... ]
I'LL get off my soap box now
and if i've offended anyone
i would suggest you pretend
you didn't read this
and stay in your cage
like a hamster on a wheel
in your belief
that you care
for a better way of life
for the kids
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
As for your other points highlighted in bold - Thanks for sharing. Again.
THESE WORDS AMAZE ME
OR IS IT BECAUSE
I'M LIVING ON
ANOTHER PLANET
We understand that historically it's been difficult to discuss race relations with the majority of white people because of the potential for conflict. Lets start with historically shall we
yes in the history that you preach African people sold African men woman and children to white and non white slave traders that would be historically if you believe that these slave traders were running around Africa catching thousands of Africans what can I say Slavery Abolition Act, (1833), in British history, act of Parliament that abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and South Africa
Slavery in Great Britain existed and was recognised from before the Roman occupation until the 12th century, when chattel slavery disappeared, at least for a time, after the Norman Conquest. Former slaves merged into the larger body of serfs in Britain and no longer were recognized separately in law or custom.SLAVERY has been around for a long long time unpaid slavery that is Now days we have low paid SLAVERY you are mixing slavery with racism SLAVERY IS NOT RACIST if the american indians were not so untrainable as slaves
[ .... ]
I'LL get off my soap box now
and if i've offended anyone
i would suggest you pretend
you didn't read this
and stay in your cage
like a hamster on a wheel
in your belief
that you care
for a better way of life
for the kids
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
As for your other points highlighted in bold - Thanks for sharing. Again.
JohnnyBlaze said:
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Should those people pay reparations?
I believe since a 40acre/mule promise was made we should acquire the land (in a trust) a size reflecting the original living population at promise, needed to fulfill that promise, and get dual citizenship for them. and their tribes who are related to the black kidnappers should help.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
Wait... but then... never mind...
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about.
Tell that to everybody for us!
It's about race relations and wanting reforms.
Alex Jones was always talking about police brutality. I think that should not be mixed with the other, because all colors need this reform and HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED.
The other needs real attention without brutality mixed into it.
Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
I’ve seen whites people apologizing for guilt they didn’t do... so a little late for that one...
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Should those people pay reparations?
I believe since a 40acre/mule promise was made we should acquire the land (in a trust) a size reflecting the original living population at promise, needed to fulfill that promise, and get dual citizenship for them. and their tribes who are related to the black kidnappers should help.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
Wait... but then... never mind...
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about.
Tell that to everybody for us!
It's about race relations and wanting reforms.
Alex Jones was always talking about police brutality. I think that should not be mixed with the other, because all colors need this reform and HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED.
The other needs real attention without brutality mixed into it.
Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
I’ve seen whites people apologizing for guilt they didn’t do... so a little late for that one...
Ahavati said:#Blacklivesmatter
#8CANTWAIT IS A CAMPAIGN TO BRING IMMEDIATE CHANGE TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
Over the past week, we’ve heard from communities across the country who, like us, have demanded radical transformative change that moves beyond policing as key to public safety. We’ve seen dozens of cities adopt the goals of #8CANTWAIT, policies that can reduce the harm caused by police in the short-term. And while we are proud of the impact we were able to make, we at Campaign Zero acknowledge that, even with the best of intentions, the #8CANTWAIT campaign unintentionally detracted from efforts of fellow organizers invested in paradigmatic shifts that are newly possible in this moment. For this we apologize wholeheartedly, and without reservation. Our organization was founded on utilizing a data-driven approach to creating solutions, and we are building processes to ensure our future projects are bolder, more transparent and accountable to communities.
https://8cantwait.org/
😎👍
How do you guys like the sound of all the gangs being let out of prison and all the cops “fully defunded?”
#8CANTWAIT IS A CAMPAIGN TO BRING IMMEDIATE CHANGE TO POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
Over the past week, we’ve heard from communities across the country who, like us, have demanded radical transformative change that moves beyond policing as key to public safety. We’ve seen dozens of cities adopt the goals of #8CANTWAIT, policies that can reduce the harm caused by police in the short-term. And while we are proud of the impact we were able to make, we at Campaign Zero acknowledge that, even with the best of intentions, the #8CANTWAIT campaign unintentionally detracted from efforts of fellow organizers invested in paradigmatic shifts that are newly possible in this moment. For this we apologize wholeheartedly, and without reservation. Our organization was founded on utilizing a data-driven approach to creating solutions, and we are building processes to ensure our future projects are bolder, more transparent and accountable to communities.
https://8cantwait.org/
😎👍
How do you guys like the sound of all the gangs being let out of prison and all the cops “fully defunded?”
JohnnyBlaze said:
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
As for your other points highlighted in bold - Thanks for sharing. Again.
Exactly. The point is here and now, and how to address reform which will produce equality. Understanding history is crucial to recognize where we went wrong and avoid future repetition—not to point fingers and say "But they. . .!!!"
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
As for your other points highlighted in bold - Thanks for sharing. Again.
Exactly. The point is here and now, and how to address reform which will produce equality. Understanding history is crucial to recognize where we went wrong and avoid future repetition—not to point fingers and say "But they. . .!!!"
JohnnyBlaze said: REFORMS, not REPARATIONS
https://populardemocracy.org/news-and-publications/black-lives-matter-coalition-issues-first-political-agenda-demanding-slavery
A coalition built on the Black Lives Matter movement has issued its first political agenda demanding reforms in the American justice system and reparations for slavery. Some 60 organisations in the Movement for Black Lives endorsed the platform calling for "black liberation" that had been forged over a year of discussions.
https://populardemocracy.org/news-and-publications/black-lives-matter-coalition-issues-first-political-agenda-demanding-slavery
A coalition built on the Black Lives Matter movement has issued its first political agenda demanding reforms in the American justice system and reparations for slavery. Some 60 organisations in the Movement for Black Lives endorsed the platform calling for "black liberation" that had been forged over a year of discussions.
Should we legalize prostitution when white slavery is still in full swing?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/beyond-trafficking-and-slavery/white-slavery-origins-of-anti-trafficking-movement/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/beyond-trafficking-and-slavery/white-slavery-origins-of-anti-trafficking-movement/
The argument you touched upon, having already mentioned it in the previous thread, but didn't follow through with in this thread was that Africans were also responsible for selling Africans into slavery.
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people.
realy so there is no group doing the blame game
all groups agree on this THERE IS NO GROUP DEMANDING REPARATIONS.
er OH MY
Those Africans have been dead for along time now and bear little relevance to today's race relations in the United States.
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people.
realy so there is no group doing the blame game
all groups agree on this THERE IS NO GROUP DEMANDING REPARATIONS.
er OH MY
A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before..
[...]
Davis said it is useful to compare this Mediterranean slavery to the Atlantic slave trade that brought black Africans to the Americas. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger – about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis.
“One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature – that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” Davis said. “We cannot think of slavery as something that only white people did to black people.”.
https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/
[...]
Davis said it is useful to compare this Mediterranean slavery to the Atlantic slave trade that brought black Africans to the Americas. Over the course of four centuries, the Atlantic slave trade was much larger – about 10 to 12 million black Africans were brought to the Americas. But from 1500 to 1650, when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy, more white Christian slaves were probably taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas, according to Davis.
“One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature – that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” Davis said. “We cannot think of slavery as something that only white people did to black people.”.
https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/
Anonymous said:<< post removed >>
So then you guys are feeling a little canceled? Ah! Check yer privelege. You need to be doing things. Not for autistic children...or raising awareness on any other issue that is urgent - like discrimination against Chinese over the flu... rising drug abuse issues...
Why do we need aliens to invade... just to talk like we are a single species?
Seriously.... aliens… we need your triple-threat!
So then you guys are feeling a little canceled? Ah! Check yer privelege. You need to be doing things. Not for autistic children...or raising awareness on any other issue that is urgent - like discrimination against Chinese over the flu... rising drug abuse issues...
Why do we need aliens to invade... just to talk like we are a single species?
Seriously.... aliens… we need your triple-threat!
I just want to reiterate the most important post in this thread thus far.
cabcool said: All Lives Matter ( )
Preamble
A king in his castle has no need to block the streets and declare that kings matter. Who is oppressing the king, anyway?
Angels in heaven have no need to beg for a share of glory on the grounds that angels matter. Who is oppressing angels, anyway?
A baby on the breast is not likely to bite his mother’s nipples to demonstrate that babies matter. After all, is that mother oppressing her little baby?
If all lives were equal, why would any particular people need to disrupt the status quo to validate that all lives mattered?
The Truth of What Matters
I tell you a story: He who feels it knows it.
When a particular people have been pushed against the wall in a way that other peoples have not been pushed against that same wall;
When another people have assumed self-appointed roles of superiority that cause them to demoralise and demean those over whom they assume control;
When a society denies the downpressed those egalitarian rights by which that very society should establish social justice for all its peoples;
Then it becomes obvious that, to that society, not all lives matter. To me, the dispossessed of that society must assume their own defense and rise to fix the ills imposed upon them for no just cause. The fact that, pressed to the wall they MUST respond, is only a testament that they feel and know what pain is, that they are intelligent and can detect unfairness, and that they want change and must pursue that change, rather than die like animals.
This is as natural and inevitable as the most elementary scientific cause and effect. Individuals know when they treat others unjustly because injustice cuts against the Law written deep in the heart of men, and individuals know when others unjustly treat them because that same Law exposes the transgressions of others.
When Asian people respond to imposed oppression, then: do not spit in their faces, frustrate their efforts, and declare that other lives matter also. If—God forbid—Caucasian people should (in fact, could) face oppression in much the same way as so-called minority groups, would they not have a right to defend themselves and claim their share of societal privileges and human rights? Of course they would! And they would know oppression by the feelings that they feel. And they would know when enough was enough. And they would burst asunder like a trapped fuse that could no longer be contained.
Now, when Black people, after 401 years of oppression and inequality, slaughter, enslavement, and demoralising, being full of the emotions of suffering and debasement, explode “like a taut nerve provoked beyond endurance,” 1 what other people can speak on their behalf that enough is not enough or that the lives of the “well-to-do” matter also?
The answer to Black lives crying out in agony cannot be that Caucasian lives matter too, or that Asian lives matter too, or even that all lives matter. It must be to develop the courage to reform a society of animals. We must seek to transform a bigoted nation beyond the outcome of a pyrrhic victory that leaves protagonists as well as antagonists dead in the streets.
The Root of the Issue: Am I My Brother’s Keeper?
God created the world under the motto, “All lives matter.” When the first murderer killed his own brother, he did it over jealousy born of his own failure to live up to the standard of sacrifice God demanded of him, even while his brother was obedient. And when God asked him, “Where is thy brother?” his response was, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Read it in Genesis 4:1-9 NIV, here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A1-9&version=NIV
Synthesis and Re-Solution: I Am My Brother’s Keeper!
I Am My Brother’s Keeper: A Juneteenth Message
Read it here: https://justicerevival.org/i-am-my-brothers-keeper-a-juneteenth-message/
1 From piano recital – a poem by cab
cabcool said:
Preamble
A king in his castle has no need to block the streets and declare that kings matter. Who is oppressing the king, anyway?
Angels in heaven have no need to beg for a share of glory on the grounds that angels matter. Who is oppressing angels, anyway?
A baby on the breast is not likely to bite his mother’s nipples to demonstrate that babies matter. After all, is that mother oppressing her little baby?
If all lives were equal, why would any particular people need to disrupt the status quo to validate that all lives mattered?
The Truth of What Matters
I tell you a story: He who feels it knows it.
When a particular people have been pushed against the wall in a way that other peoples have not been pushed against that same wall;
When another people have assumed self-appointed roles of superiority that cause them to demoralise and demean those over whom they assume control;
When a society denies the downpressed those egalitarian rights by which that very society should establish social justice for all its peoples;
Then it becomes obvious that, to that society, not all lives matter. To me, the dispossessed of that society must assume their own defense and rise to fix the ills imposed upon them for no just cause. The fact that, pressed to the wall they MUST respond, is only a testament that they feel and know what pain is, that they are intelligent and can detect unfairness, and that they want change and must pursue that change, rather than die like animals.
This is as natural and inevitable as the most elementary scientific cause and effect. Individuals know when they treat others unjustly because injustice cuts against the Law written deep in the heart of men, and individuals know when others unjustly treat them because that same Law exposes the transgressions of others.
When Asian people respond to imposed oppression, then: do not spit in their faces, frustrate their efforts, and declare that other lives matter also. If—God forbid—Caucasian people should (in fact, could) face oppression in much the same way as so-called minority groups, would they not have a right to defend themselves and claim their share of societal privileges and human rights? Of course they would! And they would know oppression by the feelings that they feel. And they would know when enough was enough. And they would burst asunder like a trapped fuse that could no longer be contained.
Now, when Black people, after 401 years of oppression and inequality, slaughter, enslavement, and demoralising, being full of the emotions of suffering and debasement, explode “like a taut nerve provoked beyond endurance,” 1 what other people can speak on their behalf that enough is not enough or that the lives of the “well-to-do” matter also?
The answer to Black lives crying out in agony cannot be that Caucasian lives matter too, or that Asian lives matter too, or even that all lives matter. It must be to develop the courage to reform a society of animals. We must seek to transform a bigoted nation beyond the outcome of a pyrrhic victory that leaves protagonists as well as antagonists dead in the streets.
The Root of the Issue: Am I My Brother’s Keeper?
God created the world under the motto, “All lives matter.” When the first murderer killed his own brother, he did it over jealousy born of his own failure to live up to the standard of sacrifice God demanded of him, even while his brother was obedient. And when God asked him, “Where is thy brother?” his response was, “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Read it in Genesis 4:1-9 NIV, here:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+4%3A1-9&version=NIV
Synthesis and Re-Solution: I Am My Brother’s Keeper!
I Am My Brother’s Keeper: A Juneteenth Message
Read it here: https://justicerevival.org/i-am-my-brothers-keeper-a-juneteenth-message/
1 From piano recital – a poem by cab
A coalition built on the Black Lives Matter movement has issued its first political agenda demanding reforms in the American justice system and reparations for slavery. Some 60 organisations in the Movement for Black Lives endorsed the platform calling for "black liberation" that had been forged over a year of discussions.
A coalition political agenda
American justice system and reparations for slavery.
no wires crossed here er
black liberation" that had been forged over a year
Martin Luther king. gave the “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963
A WISE MAN
YET
NOBODY IS LISTENING
I PITY THE CHILDREN
because it is clear
we want a slice
of the same old worn out
political stagnant pie
you people don't want change
you just want the same thing
the government have now
power nothing less will do
and those who honestly
believe that change is coming
when all is done and dusted
the pain
will be the same
for the common sense
logical reasoning people
no change
just another logo
just another face
just another link
in our chains
A coalition political agenda
American justice system and reparations for slavery.
no wires crossed here er
black liberation" that had been forged over a year
Martin Luther king. gave the “I Have a Dream” speech in 1963
A WISE MAN
YET
NOBODY IS LISTENING
I PITY THE CHILDREN
because it is clear
we want a slice
of the same old worn out
political stagnant pie
you people don't want change
you just want the same thing
the government have now
power nothing less will do
and those who honestly
believe that change is coming
when all is done and dusted
the pain
will be the same
for the common sense
logical reasoning people
no change
just another logo
just another face
just another link
in our chains
Anonymous
For the people who have trouble distinguishing ( a trait also common among people who stereotype ):
1] #BlackLivesMatter is a hashtag show of support anyone can freely post online.
2] Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc
is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.
-and-
3] Not all of the hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters in the streets who no doubt are among the millions of people showing online support belong to the organization.
So, if you want to believe the "BLM organization" or any "coalition of organizations" speaks on behalf of all the protesters, peaceful or otherwise around the globe, have at it.
JohnnyBlaze said:
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
Yes, some people do want reparations.
But if you have to Google to find out who they are, they are not the current atmosphere.
1] #BlackLivesMatter is a hashtag show of support anyone can freely post online.
2] Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc
is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.
-and-
3] Not all of the hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters in the streets who no doubt are among the millions of people showing online support belong to the organization.
So, if you want to believe the "BLM organization" or any "coalition of organizations" speaks on behalf of all the protesters, peaceful or otherwise around the globe, have at it.
JohnnyBlaze said:
No one is blaming anyone for starting slavery of any kind of people. This isn't what the current atmosphere of protests in the United States is about. It's about race relations and wanting reforms. REFORMS, not REPARATIONS. Do we really need to turn it into a pointless blame game?
Yes, some people do want reparations.
But if you have to Google to find out who they are, they are not the current atmosphere.
MadameLavender said:
I’m going to jump in here for a minute :
1. Drone’s posts will stay for now in the event that Drone wants to edit/add anything.
2. Keep in mind that others here, write forum posts in similar fashion , i.e., Blackwolf, where the lines of conversation appear to be in the form of a poem but are actually how the post author likely “sees” their response in their mind, before writing it out.
That’s the impression I get here, that the replies are not actually poetry in this case, but vertical sentences as opposed to the traditional horizontal ones that we are used to.
3. Yes, I told you to set forth your guidelines for this thread in the opening post , but let’s not nitpick and micromanage too much, because then you run the risk of accomplishing exactly what you seek to not have happen here: control of speech and how it is expressed .
4. DUP allows two submissions of poems in people’s poetry section in an 8 hour period—not posts in forum threads, just to clarify .
5. What will be removed and monitored here, is the same thing we watch for in every area of DUP : spam and abusiveness toward other members .
6. Carry on.
Thank you. Until I scrolled down and read that - I was confused and alarmed that I’d missed a rule.
Pardon the funny meme... it just seemed like a moment.😅
