I Wield This in His Memory

Here i go again.

You're a good person.
Honestly its easier to just not give a shit about politics, they're all idiots anyway.
But you do you, obviously you dont have to listen to me.
Either way, be well.

It's easier to just give the bullies our lunch money, but then what are we going to eat other than crow?

Speaking of birds, what do Aussies have for Thanksgiving?

Or Christmas, if you don't do Thanksgiving:)

I don’t know either, although frequently our
english cricket team, for breakfast    ..

Aye. When are they going to make John Bull proud again?

I get that people are frustrated but lets say from outsiders perspective and i mean from life in general this world is a ridiculous shitshow, and everyone just keeps perpetuating it.
I'll bite my tongue now.

I traded in my "life is hard, just get used to it" ideation, for a desire to see things actually improve.  

"One should as a rule respect public opinion in so far as is necessary to avoid starvation and to keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny."

-Bertrand Russell  

 

To Ryan: Spoken like a true man who doesn't have to worry about his body or liberty being controlled. It's funny how you don't give a shit about politics but certainly do those attempting to fight for their rights.

I couldn't care less about politicians I'm concerned about the trajectory of this world as a whole. Just because I'm saying things you dont like doesn't mean I dont have other best interests at heart, clearly petty squabbles are more important though, what does that do in the long run?

Deciding WHO will decide which squabbles are petty and which are not isn't a petty decision, and therefore may subsequently be the linchpin that makes or breaks things "in the long run".

Must be wonderful not to have a dog in the fight.  

I'm not deciding anything. It amazing that its so easy to convince you to argue amongst yourselves. If you put aside your differences you might actually talk and figure something functional out.
There are too many inconsistencies to point out. You all keep playing the game and you all keep losing, but thats not all by design right?

Oh my incongruity radar goes off all the time, but what do you expect when half our country thinks that an invisible sky god is going to bail them out of whatever cash crop of mass stupidity that sweeps through their rabble ranks next. And that's just it, the mistake people make with distant panoptic observations on the futility of a polarized electorate, isn't a matter of failed compromise between two schools of relative ideology, when it's really a struggle between those of us who have reality "challenges", and those of us whose comprehension of ethical triage is still a faithful servant to our senses and logic, and subsequently are rightly disappointed in the extreme at having our entire republic waste another administration chasing the mass psychoses hysteria brought on by manic populist sadism. How is that a recipe for prosperity?  

Are you one of those who still thinks an invite to high tea will have everyone shaking hands and patting backs?  

Democrats have ALWAYS been the party of compromise, at least for the last fifty years or so, and thusly have ALWAYS been taken advantage of, like Neville over the back of Adolf's couch.  

We Yanks didn't win the first two world wars by just shutting up and letting Russia tell us what to do.

The trajectory of the world begins where we are now, Ryan. It begins with our actions and reactions. You are so quick to judge these discussions "petty squabbles" yet you are right in the middle of them.

What interests do you have at heart? Does the fact that a third woman in Texas just died, leaving behind a husband and two small children because of Texas’ abortion ban affect you?  She bled to death as she was miscarrying after her doctor opted against an emergency procedure ( DNC ) used to end pregnancies because he feared prosecution.

This brings the total to five women who have died from abortion bans. Five women who left behind families, friends, and motherless children.

The term "abortions don't just end pregnancies, they save lives" is real. But not to MAGA and their Christian Nationalism.

And it's not that you're saying something I don't like. You have a right to your opinion. It's HOW you say it. You not-so-subtly perpetuate discord with your haughty, holier-than-thou judgments. I've been watching you do that throughout forum threads, like you're above anything petty.

But you're not.

Ok while I personally have no affiliation or interest in religion and i do agree that it causes a lot of problems, as it simply just another means to divide and it gets used to exacerbate differences its not the in this case the sole issue. The issue is you all keep thinking the people you willing handing your agency to gives a fuck. Theyre front of house they're the mouthpieces the people you point to when everything goes to shit then they tell you to point back at each other and 9 times out of ten you do. Its like that everywhere. While you all keep repeating the same things over and over while nothing ever seems to get better and keeps going whatever direction it goes, its insane.  Its always because they're black or they're Christian or they have guns or they're gay, who fucking cares were they actively doing anything to you? Or is that people just have different values and standards because we're not carbon copies. Im well aware that some people/cultures dont mix for various reasons though it generally to what they believe, beliefs that they clearly dont do a lot of thinking about. You have this side or that side republican democrat, coke or pepsi you're trained to think that way. As ive stated elsewhere if governments actually 1 had real power and 2 were concerned for you all they wouldn't set up that way for 1 and would encourage unity but they dont, they yell at each other and for some reason that makes everyone else yell at each other. These people aren't magic or special they're people paid to take the heat. Then when it comes to the grand plan theyre all in unison this initiative and that initiative are what we need to move forward, no they're what is needed to keep you in your place and it works exceptionally well as you continue to descend into chaos and while they laugh at you. Clearly people have no understanding of power and those that seek it gotta step on a lot of people to get there if youre in the way you're removed theyre driven by their own desires not yours and governments are nothing like i said the big players are very smart they have these people on their pockets youre toy/tools youre ants but no one acknowledges that. A writer can craft an extremely vivid depiction of a world that draws you in with complex rules and interesting storys that you can imagine and engage with mentally.
Take that analogy and tranpose it onto the people with all the money and means. Theyre not twiddling their thumbs. They're buying everything setting up infrastructure and peddling the crap that keeps you in check and distracted all of us everywhere. The things coming are the end game that no one will like. So yes it may appear that some people are doing what you say but you all eat it up you're all eating from the same trough whether you see it or not. And no i dont think we can all shake hands and be friends people aren't going to like people, people are flawed they do dumb shit sometimes. I forgot half the points i wanted to make while writing this, but they'll come back. The world is complicated, obviously and its not being made better and thats all that happens so perhaps look at the people doing it all to you, all of you both "sides".  
This is draining. I'm gonna stop for now.

Did the Russians pay you by the word to say all that? Because that sounds like surrender talk to me.

You remind me of that exchange between Michael Preston as Pappagallo and Mel Gibson as Max in The Road Warrior...

"Pappagallo : What is it with you, huh? What are you looking for? C'mon, Max, everybody's looking for something. You're happy out there, are you? Eh? Wandering? One day blurring into another? You're a scavenger, Max. You're a maggot. Did you know that? You're living off the corpse of the old world. Tell me your story, Max. C'mon. Tell me your story. What burned you out, huh? Kill one man too many? See too many people die? Lose some family?

[Max turns to Pappagallo and gives him an angry glare]

Pappagallo : Oh, so that's it, you lost your family? That makes you something special, does it?

Max : I got all I need here.

Papagallo : You don't have a future. I could offer you that.

Max : If it's all the same to you... I'll drive that tanker.

Pappagallo : The offer is closed. Too late for deals.

Max : No deals. I want to drive that truck.

Pappagallo : If you had a contract, it was with him. And it died with him.

Zetta : You're letting him go! Well, let's keep his vehicle at least!

Pappagallo : He fulfilled his contract. He's an honorable man.

Zetta : Ok, so who's going to drive the tanker?

Pappagallo : I am.

Curmudgeon : That's two thousand miles from here. How do you expect us to get it there? Drag it?

Pappagallo : If we have to, yes. There's always a way. But the first step... defend the fuel.

Big Rebecca : Words, just words. You'll die for a pipe dream.

Warrior Woman : Wrong, we fight for a belief. I stay.

The Captain's Girl : I wish it would work, Pappagallo. You can't expect to compete with that. Every day we get weaker while they get stronger. It's finished. I'm sorry.

Pappagallo : Do you think you're the only one that's suffered? We've all been through it in here. But we haven't given up. We're still human beings, with dignity. But you? You're out there with the garbage. You're NOTHING."


So Ryan, are you another Max in the wasteland?  No cause worth fighting for?  

Im not sure how youre getting that impression. You can use others words to call me whatever you want it wont be worse than what i already think of myself. I'm frustrated like everyone is right now we're all watching the world fall apart. I have a lot to say that no one ever wants to hear and no one to really say it too. So i get a bee in my bonnet and go. But i think about a lot of things all the time and i cant help the conclusions I've come too because they feel right and i have reasons to trust that. I know how i come across ok my perspective is always problematic but its mine its not this person's or that person its built on lots of things like everyones is, i just like to make my own conclusions on things. I dont think most of the things we're told or things that people believe are correct because they dont make sense. Theres holes or contradictions that are either deliberate through omission or obfuscation or they're just lies. I have people I care about as all do and i dont want things being bad or inescapable for them. Everything is culminating and i know where its going and its bad, very bad. I dont mean to piss people off but at the same time its like only some are allowed to have an opinion which is not the case.  
You can throw rhetoric around all you want its literally just noise, it is not an argument, its nothing. I'm not saying theres something wrong with anyone as people everyones a mess in some manner. Its the way they see things and i dont think they see how influenced they are by irrelevant things. I dont want to kill you or anyone else (well a select few but they're very bad people and its obviously fantasy).
I dont like some peoples opinions on things but if its not hurting anyone its not a problem. The problem is youre all making opinions that arent a genuine threat to you problems, and its being exacerbated on purpose by media and governments. News Media is meant to be impartial but its just sensationalist bullshit they want you afraid all the time. Its very deeply in everything in one manner or another some countries might not have the same indoctrination tactics but the goals the same. They want you fighting its an easy distraction then you turn back around and another liberty has vanished the people you're arguing with aren't doing it, it's the people that want you arguing. Also if you're involved in whatever process they can directly point a particular group and say they did it. Those people didn't make the legislation or whatever,  they just liked the idea, seems to work though. you don't have to trust them because "authority" thats just the power you allow others to have over you.
They keep dividing people down more and more lines all the time everywhere. You better hate them or those people or the other ones. Or just ignore it. Its literally one of the oldest war tactics in the world. It's blatenly obvious so why keep buying into it?
I'm gonna stop now because i have other stuff i want to do and this isn't going anywhere anyway. You can think you won if you like but no ones really "winning" doing this.

"The problem is youre all making opinions that arent a genuine threat to you problems, and its being exacerbated on purpose by media and governments"

That is your very problem right there. You separate yourself from us as though you're not making your OWN opinions that aren't a genuine threat to your problems. Tell me, how is judging our opinions helping? It's like you're trying to convince us that saying nothing is best. That doing nothing is best because it's all an orchestrated game.

Yet, on certain MAGA poems and comments you're all supportive of their opinions, i.e. - COVID-19 vaccines etc. It's only the opinions that are contrary to what you believe that seem to be fruitless in your opinion.

Let me give you two examples of bearing fruit by causing media frenzies:

• Selma Alabama and the Civil Rights movement
• Women's suffrage
• Roe vs Wade

Unless you are a minority or woman you would never understand UNLESS it affected you personally, i.e. - your wife bled to death from a miscarriage because the doctors were so afraid they'd face legal action for performing a procedure.

Or your girlfriend was raped and forced to carry the rapist's baby even if it was a threat to her life.

And that's the issue here. If it doesn't affect you personally then it's petty.

I agree with your body your choice, people have the right to their agency.

The trajectory of this world has been i a certain for a long time if you'd been paying attention.
So is it a travesty when a Republican starts a war but fine when a democrat perpetuates it?
No I'm not above getting petty but it seems you are all allowed to call everyone racist and Russian agents or whatever. Ad hominem isn't a point in anyones favour, its what you say when you have no point.
I'm certainly not holier than anyone. I get on my high horse because the predominant mentality isn't really working in anyones favour.
My point is don't just question the other "sides" actions question why everything is going the way its going because it will no matter what.
Listening to the very people seen as responsible for your problems or swapping them out for the next person isn't a solution and hasnt been working for a very long time.
President have been assassinated before because what they were going to do went against the plan. They're there if they're useful, they're usefulness is revoked when they think they have power.
They're figureheads, expendable and hardly calling any shots.
If you belive in a cause thats fine but dont just believe in it because you think you need to tow a line think about why it matters to you it should transcend politics. Obviously people are going to bicker and get angry about stuff but just doing that doesnt solve anything. Ask why there is so much division around everything I'm sure most people just want to live their lives and leave well enough alone living next door to the opposite team doesn't pose a threat you dont have to like them but you probably won't burn each others houses down.  

I'm happy to hear you agree that women should control over their own health choices. Did you know there is not one law regulating a man's body? Not ONE. Women have had to scratch, claw, and fight our way into the work force ( where we're paid less than men who do the same job ), into the voting booths ( where husbands expect wives to vote how they're instructed ), into church pulpits ( because women aren't supposed to have a voice in church according to the bible ), and so on, and so on.

But you would not understand that.  

Are you paying attention?! How many states have banned abortion now? How many are trying to pass laws to gain access to women's medical records the second they test positive for pregnancy so they can be monitored by the state and prosecuted if they travel to another state for an abortion? Or, in one case, a woman was actually charged for murder when she naturally miscarried because the authorities thought it could've been prevented.  

Are you paying attention?  

Now, in reference to your paying attention comment: I am 65 years old and the daughter of more generations than I can count back to the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Cold War, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Middle East fiascos of military ancestors and family members and my father taught me well the ways of the world - and it all comes down to one word with another one-word definition: Patriarchal Control.  

War is necessary for peace at times. I believe every country has the right to defend themselves and that their allies should help them. That is what my father, who spent on tour in Korea, two tours in 'Nam, was stationed at a British base post-cold war, and participated in the extraction of Saigon when it fell. He saw enough war and spent over 50% of his time away from his family, but he never once denied that war was necessary to protect and/or defend a nation.  

I believe the same. It's not WHO starts the war, it's WHY it was started that matters.  

I have never called anyone a Russian agent or a racist, so please stop applying "you are all allowed" things another has said when responding to me. And who are "you all" anyway? Democrats? Well at least you're putting your foot down now, but I already knew it.  

My point has been the same from the beginning. I have been doing everything I can and supporting every movement possible to prevent the dissolution of women's rights and the rise of Christian Nationalism. Raising awareness is vital for dissemination of information.  

And so far, EVERYTHING I have been saying throughout this ENTIRE election process is coming to fruition. Now the architects of Project 2025 and Christian Nationalism are being rooted into the highest positions of our government. It's ALWAYS been about the patriarchy and their need for power and control over minorities, and women are a part of that minority.  

I agree presidents have been assassinated for going against the grain but in Trump's case, he's ushering the very thing in I have been fighting against: Christian Nationalism. And you can't say he isn't because his cabinet appointments validate it.  

Dude, if you are referring to me and not just making a generalized statement, you do not know me at all, especially enough to tell me I need to think about the causes I fight for or insinuate I'm doing it simply to "tow a line". I AM a damn woman and live the walk.  

And for the record, NOTHING transcends politics here in America. NOTHING. It's all political maneuvers for someone somewhere to get what they want. Like you, playing cat and mouse in this thread.  

All I want are two things: 1) equality for women and the right for them to choose what's best for their life without some man spla'nin he knows better. And, 2) The right for every person in this melting pot of a country to be respected for their choice of religion without the Christian bible or revised MAGA doctrine being shoved down our throats.  

Have you been paying attention? Have YOU not learned from history what forced religion does to a country? Or a continent?! Does the word "crusades" come to mind?  

And for those two things, I'm willing to march, protest, donate, disseminate, and use whatever talents I can contribute and my voice until I have none to accomplish those two goals.  

What are YOU doing to make the world a better place besides attempting to negate the opinion of others through petty judgments on the internet?

Ryan, you started this thread off by saying I was a good person, and I think I am too, and I highly value that remark since these threads can get real ugly real fast as you no doubt have observed. But we can't just shut the threads down every time someone pops off when they lose their composure (and I'm not implying that you have).    
     
I suspect you realize, as I do, that maintaining conversational composure is critical to the robust exchange of ideas, and one of those ideas is that ideation itself requires an ordered mind. And I will add that I feel strongly that the pursuit of an evolution from chaotic thoughts TOWARD more order in our thinking is where politics will repeatedly cross paths with poetry, and conversation generally, and I am more than happy to acknowledge that you are trying, just based on your commentary.      
     
Of course some folks are more patient with invective outbursts than others, and an examination of the thread archive will quickly reveal that threads don't get shut down for vulgar abuse so much as an in the moment mod realization that the rhetoric isn't going someone's way, which compels the question of whether or not the whole platform actually has any freethinker credibility. And in my experience MAGA has zero freethinker credibility, and the proof of that is in their CONTINUED support for a candidate who is notorious for throwing out invective outbursts, and ketchup, AND bragging about that as if it were a virtue. Do you think that kind of behavior promotes a problem solver's working conditions?      
     
Since we humans don't actually have extra sensory perception we are forced then to rely on behavioral cues, hell even the apes do that, just ask Jane Goodall.      
     
Knowing all that I think it's beyond peculiar to ask anybody to invest great power into a single psyche of observably abusive behavior, which is what MAGA does with all of it's  rhetorical poppycock, knowing damn well that a lot of folks have never been trained to detect red flag behavior.      
     
And let me finish this sermonette by saying that I don't want to condemn anybody for just a few red flag behavioral incidents, since I'm a believer in redemption, but when the shitty behavior goes on long enough AND is supported by followers who are themselves afflicted with lengthy records of suspect activity, then it's time to start looking for a different candidate, which MAGA didn't even TRY to do.    
     
Part of my backstory is that I spent three years on a rehab staff, and after that my abuse radar is more powerful than ever, and the MAGA behaviors send up every behavioral red flag I ever witnessed in the world of substance abuse, arrested development, and its denial.      
     
The good news in all that, is that most kids will try to improve if carefully encouraged to do so, but sometimes a bad egg is just a bad egg, and when that happens no amount of both side-ism or equal time media rules will make it better. Even in a utopian world we will still need a few prisons.      
     
Oh, and if I didn't make it plain enough before, I think you're a good person too.

I knew covid was a compliance test i didn't touch the vaccine.

Bodily autonomy is anyones right.
You dont know what I'm saying at all.
I dont care about trump or kamala.
You'll figure it out one day.

Okay, so you knew COVID-19 was a compliance test and didn't touch the vaccine. Good for you. That was years ago. It's such a shame that compliance test killed millions, though, isn't it?

No, here's where you're wrong. Bodily autonomy isn't anyone's right ANYMORE. Not since SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade. That is MY point. Not only that, but during the time that ruling has been overturned, states are implemented strict abortion laws that are killing women in the name of RELIGION, i.e. - Christian Nationalism.

Since you believe bodily autonomy is everyone's right, what are you doing to restore and/or preserve it? Because you also believe that religion causes many problems, what are you doing to combat that national movement rather than trying to silence those speaking out and taking action by repeatedly calling out their "pettiness" rather than offering your own solutions.

I know exactly what you're saying, Ryan. Moreso than you think I do.

I agree with Midnight, you're not a bad person. I can sense that. But I've reviewed your comments on poems and in the forums ( because I want to know who I'm dealing with ), and they lean in one direction.

Bodily autonomy applies to both sexes.
I'm disputing the state of things at.
I'm not actually trying to yell anyone down i get passionate and i probably could have been clearer.  
Im disputing how women have been treated,
I dont have to be a woman to understand that  
I grew up mainly around women i get along better with women generally.
What I'm saying is its not that your woes aren't valid its that they're a symptom of a broken by design society. Pointing to this group or that group (even if you were trump supporters I'd say this) exacerbates things because all sides point to each other. Point up, at the showrunners they are doing it. Start calling out the people that want these things to be problems they are who whispers in the ears of governments not governments themselves (theyre problem too but they're lapdogs).  

Its not women its not men if you want to hate someone hate them for their actions not their sex or race or religion most people are fine differences are annoying but live and let live  
A church goer isnt a fanatic thats different  
I have issues with religion but its not that believe its that they supposedly belive in the same "god" but a slight variation = holy war.
Thats a way to divide thats another form amongst many of indoctrination. Like trump v kamala same thing. its set up so you fight.
Wars could probably be reduced drastically if things weren't geared towards division but human nature dictates there always be people that want more and will kill for it, thatll probably never change so being prepared isnt a bad thing but it comes from  
The movements are part of it. Most movements are funded by extremely wealthy families theyre not legitimate they have ulterior motives they want womens lib was more about having more people to tax as an example which helped in the breaking down of family units and giving public schools (government) greater access to the children to teach them how not to think.  
School isn't about fostering critcal thinking its rote learning and learning how to be obedient. Its ingrained in many generations (luckily, i hated school). Montessori schools arent like that they encourage free thought and how children like to learn they produce far smarter students as a counter argument (to my own point)  
Movements are also part of the distraction due to they way countries are "governed" it keeps you fighting for one thing they screwed you on so you dont focus on other things or to keep you fighting with the "opposition".  
Nothing transcends politics because people keep believing they're a legitimate authority, they're just people. I know saying that is easy but if everyone just stopped listening to them you will have less issues that goes for all countries. I wish more people here would listen.

I'm not just saying these things they're observable. Thats what the writer analogy for if a writer can pen a convincing book or movie that seems convincing.  
Billionaires can do it better by orders of magnitude.
Its the bankers that run everything and various others like that own and run things they hence the quote "give me control of a countries currency and i care not who makes its laws" i think thats JD Rockerfella(?) Other families probably havd more government influence but its their world thats the problem thats not a conspiracy its what it is.
Like sustainability its a trap to usher people into a digal prison smart cities and digital ids and currencies.
While not disclosing those initiatives are far from sustainable. Wind farms are pointless the blabes dont last as long as thry should arent recyclable and mining rare earth magents is devastating to the land so is cobalt and lithium mining. Climate change isnt what they say the climate waxes and wanes over centuries in cycles and the poles are shifting and that has a drastic effect on climate (generally extiction level) so theyre milking everyone so they can bud infrastructure to save themselves. Not they probably need the money but as they never let a good crisis go to waste.  
This isnt part isnt meant to sound condescending but when you start seeing things like this it, changes you. I wasnt always this way i used to try and go along with things but i couldn't (sometimes anxiety is a super power due overthinking everything and I'm pretty intuitive and i trust it, more since the "shift" and its pretty accurate). I would get a hot feeling in my solar plexus chakra and I realised it was from trying to lie to myself. I stopped doing that, started being more objective and i dont get it anymore. You start seeing the patterns and intuition guides that further.

What you're describing with this latest comment is essentially what Marxists have been saying that they have observed about society ever since Marx, Engels, and many others first started bringing it to the attention of humanity 200 years ago, and none of you are wrong about what you are witnessing, but it was Marx who gave the phenomenon a convenient label...capitalism, which is essentially a modern derivative of feudalism, or the more things change the more they seem to stay the same, which naturally exacerbates your depression about the apparent pointlessness of it all. Of course the main trouble with capitalism is that the practitioners thereof have historically had no problem with remaining just as anti-emancipatory as the kings and tyrants of old, only what they've done is merely relabel the leadership positions with names like "Industrialist" or "developer" while they continue to trash the global environment to bring us all the stupid bling they keep saying we need.            
           
Marxism is well worth studying as an intro to political science but it's really only the tip of the iceberg and the real meat of the topic is to be found in a study of classical Greco-Roman antiquity, which of course has tragically been phased out of public schools, and I reiterate tragic because I think a lot of kids would love it if they brought that curriculum back.            
           
As worthy of study that Marx, Polybius, Plutarch, Demosthenes, Cicero, etc., actually are, it's painfully apparent, as you generously keep pointing out, that the world doesn't SEEM to be any closer to the utopia it hopes for in its poetic heart.        
       
And that's because we keep getting OUR progress intentionally set back dramatically by the political, economic, cultural, academic, emancipatory, and ecologic sabotage of rapacious conservatism, and its perpetually recycled detestation of anything or anyone even remotely altruistic. So much so, that words like utopia are now routinely used in a tone of bitter irony. Which all begs my next question for you...what should we do about all that? Just pack it in and give up? Maybe that's an option for the southern hemisphere, but you may want to start learning Mandarin.            
           
And you can call me an elitist, if you want, like MAGA people do, but it's not the fault of any liberal if the rest of the political world decides to turn its back on established facts just to run with their dime a dozen freedom fantasies as they smoke all the dope they want on their Harleys.  Wooo hooo!!! Fist pump fist pump!!!    
   
Shitty people are always hoping liberals will be the "bigger person" so that there will be no consequence to their actions.

I very much understand what youre saynig about history and control and thats true.

Thats what i mean though, it always comes back down to labels. I do understand people categories and name things, but if you werent always pitted against each other and tall the differences made such huge issues would it matter?
Why would  i call you an elitist? I have absolutely no interest in this side that side stuff other than the fact that i dont think it should be a thing.
If things were different hypothetically and there was never this intentional divide implanted into all aspects of society sure we'd probably notice but most probably would get this out of control having to be my side your side.
I have opinions on things that likely would cover both these "sides" and i have no issues thinking how i think ive had friends that have had completely opposite views to me on some things we were still friends.
Who cares if someones views dont align compromise you dont need idiots in suits calling themselves you boss saying they're the bad guys that applies to both sides.
Its not freedom of choice its people selected to be appointed they weed out the ones that wont toe the appropriate lines.
Then they say I'm better than them because x wants that and they say well y wants this.
So what? Stop listening to these people why do you need to anyone anywhere they dont own us we dont exist for them. All the while all the shot no one wants is barrelling down the line. Its not a wealth or lifestyle or any other thing problem its an everybody problem the amount of control they will end up with in a few years everywhere will have the same system as china this isnt hyperbol its a reality.
They talk about things like being at work and having managers reading your brainwaves and if you're not focusing they can adjust them remotely. I dont think people are going to want that thats the tip of the iceberg.
Various things like that are talked about at world forum type events a lot.
We're already pets to these people we dont have to listen to them no one does but if nothing changes soon its kind of game over.
Like looking into these things, nanotech, the internet of things all the stuff people are told thats a conspiracy theory is to stop people thinking about it i honestly have no idea how that works on people its insane, its your brain not theirs the media pushes bullshit to overload everyone with mostly nonsense search algorithims only promote fact checking site looking certain things up like really how do people fall for this if its being thrust in you face saying this is what you should think about then its crap flat out. I mean all of it the this, side that side all of it. If you cant believe only certain things they say you cant, thats indicative of shenanigans blatantly.
I'm not talking about sides this is aimed at anyone that thinks all the stuff governments/media tell you to believe is all there is to believe.
Theyre lying outright who cares what they want.
I'm gonna stop, because it keeps coming back to sides and thats not my point at all.

I noticed that you changed your avatar into an image of a gray space alien 👽 and now I wonder if that's why you are having trouble with earthling language, where we routinely use these "labels* that you mention except that we usually just call them words and try as best we can to familiarize ourselves with specific definitions for each particular word, and that's because we haven't evolved enough to communicate with extra sensory perception like what the rest of the galaxy is used to.  
 
But what troubles me is your apparent disdain for earthling semantics which means that you are either incapable or unwilling to even attempt to distinguish between what's right or wrong.  
 
We earthlings call that ability..."having a moral compass" which is a guide to understanding which behavioral path to travel through in our finite existence.  
 
Are you able to access a human made dictionary from your flying saucer?  
 
We are supposed to use them as a semantic standard for our terrestrial communication, but only a tiny elite actually consults them with any regularity.  
 
But I highly recommend that you regain orbital status before the northern hemisphere imperial powers exchange their intercontinental ballistic missiles, which may inadvertently damage or destroy your spacecraft.  
 
Live long and prosper 🖖

Ok, I'm very used to people not getting where I'm coming from, I was just trying to explain my perspective.
Don't worry about it.

Okay, now convince me that they won't dump the blame for that on someone who had nothing to do with it.

Enough to swing an election in a wholesome direction?

America just got done proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is unable to do that.

Maybe not a completely Nazi AmeriKKKa, but at least an apartheid one.

My initial reaction was to go back to my country of origin, take my family with me if these mass deportations would somehow include de-naturalization. Then I thought, I've been working for 30+ years, I pay my taxes, I help out in the community when I can, I help young students get their education, I contribute to this country, but felt very disappointed when the other half chose what they chose. I can't even begin to imagine the disappointment in those who have fought and risked their lives, and then be insulted???

When common working folk start getting in breadlines because they can't afford basic things while the millionaires are laughing their asses off, maybe, just maybe some will wake up. In the meantime the rest of us are going to have to voice our opinions and oppose their ridiculous directions.

Thanks for sharing MS.

I've seen articles predicting a severe return of inflation if they do those deportations, which would most likely kick in and be a problem for any incumbent at the next election and midterm.

I'd much rather have Mexican neighbors than the MAGA morons we currently have.

White privilege is just another way of saying spoiled rotten.