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ARE THEY EQUAL?
ARE THEY EQUAL?
One carries on his aching back
a heavy tree trunk of great weight
approaching that unfathomed depth.
He needs two steps to bridge that fall.
But these two steps will send him down
where no one can see him again.
Without being safe, he builds that bridge;
he does not reach the other edge.
But that rich side is where hope lives
and all the people thank that man.
He's lived and died with that sweet dream.
The others relish what he's done.
Some take those steps and sacrifice
themselves not looking down but forth.
How can some people live to give
while others shamelessly receive?
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
____________________________________
One carries on his aching back
a heavy tree trunk of great weight
approaching that unfathomed depth.
He needs two steps to bridge that fall.
But these two steps will send him down
where no one can see him again.
Without being safe, he builds that bridge;
he does not reach the other edge.
But that rich side is where hope lives
and all the people thank that man.
He's lived and died with that sweet dream.
The others relish what he's done.
Some take those steps and sacrifice
themselves not looking down but forth.
How can some people live to give
while others shamelessly receive?
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
____________________________________
Published 31st May 2023
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"One carries on his aching back
a heavy tree trunk of great weight"
So there are heavy tree trunks that are not of great weight? Doesn't heavy mean "of great weight". If so then "of great weight" is redundant and should be removed.
"approaching that unfathomed depth.
He needs two steps to bridge that fall."
"that fall" is a deictic expression that raises the question "Which fall?" and in remaining unanswered, leave a reader confused as to what you are referring to. Poor writing.
And one does not "bridge"** a fall. One forestays, avoids, disrupts, is saved from, a fall it. But one does not bridge it.
And where is "the other one" (of whom, according to your title,, the one carrying the heavy tree trunk of great weight is compared) described? So far as I can see, he/she isn't, and thus without this, the question you raise with your title cannot be answered.
**bridge2 ●○○ verb [transitive]
1 to reduce or get rid of the difference between two things
The differences between our two cultures can be bridged if we continue to communicate.
Alvin managed to bridge the gap between ballet and modern dance.
2 written to build or form a bridge over something
a fallen tree bridging the stream (https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/bridge).
a heavy tree trunk of great weight"
So there are heavy tree trunks that are not of great weight? Doesn't heavy mean "of great weight". If so then "of great weight" is redundant and should be removed.
"approaching that unfathomed depth.
He needs two steps to bridge that fall."
"that fall" is a deictic expression that raises the question "Which fall?" and in remaining unanswered, leave a reader confused as to what you are referring to. Poor writing.
And one does not "bridge"** a fall. One forestays, avoids, disrupts, is saved from, a fall it. But one does not bridge it.
And where is "the other one" (of whom, according to your title,, the one carrying the heavy tree trunk of great weight is compared) described? So far as I can see, he/she isn't, and thus without this, the question you raise with your title cannot be answered.
**bridge2 ●○○ verb [transitive]
1 to reduce or get rid of the difference between two things
The differences between our two cultures can be bridged if we continue to communicate.
Alvin managed to bridge the gap between ballet and modern dance.
2 written to build or form a bridge over something
a fallen tree bridging the stream (https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/bridge).
This is all very curious.
You say in this all tell no show deixis laden piece that "the others" (who are they?) relish what you note your trunk bearer has done. But you also say that your trunk bearer fails to reach the other side of a gap he wants to bridge and instead falls into depths to never be seen again..
So these "others" relish failure?
You say in this all tell no show deixis laden piece that "the others" (who are they?) relish what you note your trunk bearer has done. But you also say that your trunk bearer fails to reach the other side of a gap he wants to bridge and instead falls into depths to never be seen again..
So these "others" relish failure?
1st Jun 2023 3:33pm
Very dear Baldwin,
I am really surprised. How can you ask such questions whose answers are given before or after the words you are asking questions about.
I am really surprised. How can you ask such questions whose answers are given before or after the words you are asking questions about.
They are not given in your text.
Where is my question about whether the expression "of great weight" is a redundancy if you've already noted that trunk your trunk bearer carries is heavy answered in your text?
Where is my question about whether the expression "of great weight" is a redundancy if you've already noted that trunk your trunk bearer carries is heavy answered in your text?
1st Jun 2023 4:59pm
Baldwin, are all tree trunks of the same weights? Here l am talking about a heavy one. Please, Baldwin, don't write about nonsensical things not worthy to be answered.
So a "heavy tree trunk" is different from a "heavy tree trunk of great weight"?
Why not just say "a tree trunk of great weight"?
"I am really surprised. How can you ask such questions whose answers are given before or after the words you are asking questions about.
I think you should note that I didn't ask a question about the word :bridge". I said
"And one does not "bridge"** a fall. One forestays, avoids, disrupts, is saved from, a fall. But one does not bridge it. "
which is an observation of how you do not understand what the verb "bridge" means and about how it is not to be used if you intend to make sense when using it.
So you not only write poorly. You do not understand the nature of things written to you.
Why not just say "a tree trunk of great weight"?
"I am really surprised. How can you ask such questions whose answers are given before or after the words you are asking questions about.
I think you should note that I didn't ask a question about the word :bridge". I said
"And one does not "bridge"** a fall. One forestays, avoids, disrupts, is saved from, a fall. But one does not bridge it. "
which is an observation of how you do not understand what the verb "bridge" means and about how it is not to be used if you intend to make sense when using it.
So you not only write poorly. You do not understand the nature of things written to you.
Given your title, this assertion"
"One carries on his aching back
a heavy tree trunk of great weight
approaching that unfathomed depth."
creates the expectation that you will assert what "another will do. But not only do you not say who the person being compared with "the tree trunk carrier" is. You do not specify what this "other" is doing.
And without this information, it is impossible to answer your question of whether or not, let alone in what way, "they" are (or are not) equal to the "tree trunk carrier".
If you think I am wrong in saying that this information is nowhere to be found in your submission, please do not just assert that I m wrong (let alone accuse me without evidence that I am too dense to see that it is plainly there). Point me to the lines in the text of your submission in which this information is provided.
Cue the red herring and the ad hominem filled replies.
"One carries on his aching back
a heavy tree trunk of great weight
approaching that unfathomed depth."
creates the expectation that you will assert what "another will do. But not only do you not say who the person being compared with "the tree trunk carrier" is. You do not specify what this "other" is doing.
And without this information, it is impossible to answer your question of whether or not, let alone in what way, "they" are (or are not) equal to the "tree trunk carrier".
If you think I am wrong in saying that this information is nowhere to be found in your submission, please do not just assert that I m wrong (let alone accuse me without evidence that I am too dense to see that it is plainly there). Point me to the lines in the text of your submission in which this information is provided.
Cue the red herring and the ad hominem filled replies.
2nd Jun 2023 2:49pm
Those deixis-filled lines are about the tree trunk carrier, not the person who may or may not be his equal. The antecedent of the masculine pronouns within them is the carrier and no one else.
2nd Jun 2023 3:42pm
The equal is the person who uses the bridge for his shameful purposes. Is it possible you don't understand? The bridge has been made by who has sacrificed his life and used by beneficial people.
But here:
"But these two steps will send him down
where no one can see him again.
Without being safe, he builds that bridge;
he does not reach the other edge."
you say that he fails to reach the other side of the chasm. So he is not successful in crossing the bridge. And, more importantly, there is no reference, let alone a clear one, to anyone crossing a bridge for shameful purposes.
Is it possible that you have not written what you think you've written?
"But these two steps will send him down
where no one can see him again.
Without being safe, he builds that bridge;
he does not reach the other edge."
you say that he fails to reach the other side of the chasm. So he is not successful in crossing the bridge. And, more importantly, there is no reference, let alone a clear one, to anyone crossing a bridge for shameful purposes.
Is it possible that you have not written what you think you've written?
2nd Jun 2023 5:51pm
One carries on his aching back
a tree trunk of great weight.
(though what his purpose is
in doing this is hardly clear).
Another person skates along
unburdened for his ease's sake.
He thinks that suffering for other men
is something foolish to up take.
The first one gives his life
to make all mankind safe.
The second lives to rake rewards from men
and doesn't give their fate a shake.
Are they of equal measurement
to be our source of joy?
Depends, I think, on who it is
you'd like to be employed.
a tree trunk of great weight.
(though what his purpose is
in doing this is hardly clear).
Another person skates along
unburdened for his ease's sake.
He thinks that suffering for other men
is something foolish to up take.
The first one gives his life
to make all mankind safe.
The second lives to rake rewards from men
and doesn't give their fate a shake.
Are they of equal measurement
to be our source of joy?
Depends, I think, on who it is
you'd like to be employed.
Can't you write a few words and deal respectfully with the others? I am not going to read this..........?
I've read only the first what's supposed to be a stanza.
I've read only the first what's supposed to be a stanza.
Why would it not be a stanza? It fits the definition of what a stanza is:
"Definitions from Oxford Languages ·
stan·za
noun
a group of lines forming the basic recurring metrical unit in a poem; a verse. "
It is a group of metrical lines. What's more, it is grammatically sound and what it says is intelligible.
Perhaps the reason you question whether it is a stanza is that you don't know what the characteristics of a stanza are.
In any case, my submission is far more clear than yours is on who it is that's being asked about regarding whether two persons are equal.
And what words have I disrespected? In what way have I done so? And how do you know that I did disrespect words if you haven't read beyond my submission's first stanza?
"Definitions from Oxford Languages ·
stan·za
noun
a group of lines forming the basic recurring metrical unit in a poem; a verse. "
It is a group of metrical lines. What's more, it is grammatically sound and what it says is intelligible.
Perhaps the reason you question whether it is a stanza is that you don't know what the characteristics of a stanza are.
In any case, my submission is far more clear than yours is on who it is that's being asked about regarding whether two persons are equal.
And what words have I disrespected? In what way have I done so? And how do you know that I did disrespect words if you haven't read beyond my submission's first stanza?
Anonymous
2nd Jun 2023 10:43pm
Hello there
There’s very little equality in life, that I do know for sure. But I think this poem reminds us how there is so little equality in all things whether we care to admit that or not. I think part of living is learning how to surf the imbalance.
Thank you for reminding us that there is still hope to be found.
-M
There’s very little equality in life, that I do know for sure. But I think this poem reminds us how there is so little equality in all things whether we care to admit that or not. I think part of living is learning how to surf the imbalance.
Thank you for reminding us that there is still hope to be found.
-M
2nd Jun 2023 11:20pm
But this piece isn't about equality, or the lack of it, in life. It's (supposedly) whether two particular people are equal -- though in what it doesn't give us any concrete information.
Anonymous
2nd Jun 2023 11:33pm
Well if it doesn’t give us any concrete information, then how do you know. I believe that’s the concept of metaphor. Try it sometime.
"Well if it doesn’t give us any concrete information, then how do you know [sic ?]
How do I know what? That the submission doesn't give us the information necessary to answer the question of whether the things or people that the tree trunk carrier s being compared with are his equal? It's because there's no statement in the submission that denotes or describes who or what these things or people do or have done or what their aims are.
"I believe that’s the concept of metaphor."
The "concept of metaphor"?? Is there such a thing? How does one use a "concept of metaphor" rather than a metaphor when writing poetry?
More importantly, it appears that you don't understand what the aim of using a metaphor is. It's to make something that is quite clearly spoken of more concrete and vivid. It has nothing to do with not describing something.
"A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison."
https://tinyurl.com/423c8rz6
How do I know what? That the submission doesn't give us the information necessary to answer the question of whether the things or people that the tree trunk carrier s being compared with are his equal? It's because there's no statement in the submission that denotes or describes who or what these things or people do or have done or what their aims are.
"I believe that’s the concept of metaphor."
The "concept of metaphor"?? Is there such a thing? How does one use a "concept of metaphor" rather than a metaphor when writing poetry?
More importantly, it appears that you don't understand what the aim of using a metaphor is. It's to make something that is quite clearly spoken of more concrete and vivid. It has nothing to do with not describing something.
"A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn’t literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison."
https://tinyurl.com/423c8rz6
Anonymous
- Edited 7th Jun 2023 5:58pm
7th Jun 2023 00:12am
Baldwin.
Nay, lad.
… Have you ever heard the term mood hoover?
… How about morale vacuum?
Kindly go away.
Nay, lad.
… Have you ever heard the term mood hoover?
… How about morale vacuum?
Kindly go away.
7th Jun 2023 12:56pm
"Nay, lad.
… Have you ever heard the term mood hoover?"
Yes, I have.
"Mood hoovers are individuals that bring negativity and a host of other bad traits to your team. They suck the mood out of others and can contribute to poor morale, low performance, a toxic blame culture, mistrust, and a lack of cooperation across a team.
Perhaps you will show me -- if you are implying that I am one such person (even though you'd be hard-pressed to show that I possess a mood hover's characteristics rather than being one who legitimately challenges false claims and demonstrates with valid arguments and warranted evidence the inadequacies of things claimed to be well crafted) -- why you think an ad hominem, rather than an actual and articulate demonstration of why my remarks above are off base, is a fitting and response to my critique of your ill-informed claims. Attacking the person who makes remarks rather than showing that his/her remarks are not true is the mark of someone who is incapable of making a valid case against them.
"… How about morale vacuum? "
Why should I have heard this term? A google search shows that it is not used anywhere.
***What are the characteristics of mood hoovers?
One of the overriding characteristics of a mood hoover is that they are emotionally draining and exhausting to be around, and to interact with. They may also show some or all of the following:
They moan. Legitimate grievances or concerns are fine, but mood hoovers constantly moan to whoever will listen. They moan about working conditions, their workload, fellow team members, management, computer systems, customers, suppliers. Anybody or anything.
This sucks other people into their world of negativity and cultivates an atmosphere of dissatisfaction within an organisation, regardless of whether it is justified or not.
They blame others. A mood hoover won’t accept responsibility for their own failures and may try to blame someone or something else for missed deadlines, poor performance or conflicts.
Naturally, if they’re unable to take responsibility then that means that somebody else must. This breeds resentment and ill-feeling between staff and by preventing members of your team working effectively together, will ultimately lead to decreased performance across the entire team.
They’re always the victim. As a natural consequence to blaming others, they become the victim. If a mood hoover is unable to blame somebody else for their failure, you’ll notice they quickly pivot to pointing out the unreasonable behaviour or actions of another as an excuse. Again leading to divisions and conflict within a team. You may also notice that mood hoovers are overly dramatic and make mountains out of mole hills.
They’re unmotivated, unwilling and uncaring. Mood hoovers can affect your organisation with a lack of motivation, attention to detail, and a lack of care about the consequences. These negative traits can easily transfer to others, especially if people see them getting away with it.
It’s important to remember that mood hoovers are not necessarily bad people, and they may not show all of these traits at once, but if you start spotting these on a regular basis within your organisation then you may need to act.
https://tinyurl.com/35m3xfmers
… Have you ever heard the term mood hoover?"
Yes, I have.
"Mood hoovers are individuals that bring negativity and a host of other bad traits to your team. They suck the mood out of others and can contribute to poor morale, low performance, a toxic blame culture, mistrust, and a lack of cooperation across a team.
Perhaps you will show me -- if you are implying that I am one such person (even though you'd be hard-pressed to show that I possess a mood hover's characteristics rather than being one who legitimately challenges false claims and demonstrates with valid arguments and warranted evidence the inadequacies of things claimed to be well crafted) -- why you think an ad hominem, rather than an actual and articulate demonstration of why my remarks above are off base, is a fitting and response to my critique of your ill-informed claims. Attacking the person who makes remarks rather than showing that his/her remarks are not true is the mark of someone who is incapable of making a valid case against them.
"… How about morale vacuum? "
Why should I have heard this term? A google search shows that it is not used anywhere.
***What are the characteristics of mood hoovers?
One of the overriding characteristics of a mood hoover is that they are emotionally draining and exhausting to be around, and to interact with. They may also show some or all of the following:
They moan. Legitimate grievances or concerns are fine, but mood hoovers constantly moan to whoever will listen. They moan about working conditions, their workload, fellow team members, management, computer systems, customers, suppliers. Anybody or anything.
This sucks other people into their world of negativity and cultivates an atmosphere of dissatisfaction within an organisation, regardless of whether it is justified or not.
They blame others. A mood hoover won’t accept responsibility for their own failures and may try to blame someone or something else for missed deadlines, poor performance or conflicts.
Naturally, if they’re unable to take responsibility then that means that somebody else must. This breeds resentment and ill-feeling between staff and by preventing members of your team working effectively together, will ultimately lead to decreased performance across the entire team.
They’re always the victim. As a natural consequence to blaming others, they become the victim. If a mood hoover is unable to blame somebody else for their failure, you’ll notice they quickly pivot to pointing out the unreasonable behaviour or actions of another as an excuse. Again leading to divisions and conflict within a team. You may also notice that mood hoovers are overly dramatic and make mountains out of mole hills.
They’re unmotivated, unwilling and uncaring. Mood hoovers can affect your organisation with a lack of motivation, attention to detail, and a lack of care about the consequences. These negative traits can easily transfer to others, especially if people see them getting away with it.
It’s important to remember that mood hoovers are not necessarily bad people, and they may not show all of these traits at once, but if you start spotting these on a regular basis within your organisation then you may need to act.
https://tinyurl.com/35m3xfmers
Anonymous
- Edited 7th Jun 2023 3:56pm
7th Jun 2023 3:55pm
…I really don’t care?
Enjoy that half an hour of your life you just wasted. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest, pal.
Enjoy that half an hour of your life you just wasted. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest, pal.
7th Jun 2023 4:33pm
So once again you show yourself unable and ill-equipped to produce articulate,, well informed, and relevant responses to warranted critiques of the things you say and the claims you make, but only snarky jibes at those who show that you may not know what you are talking about.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions about your capacity for dealing as an adult with valid criticism let alone for being able to recognize what good writing looks like and how it is to be set out..
Thanks for confirming my suspicions about your capacity for dealing as an adult with valid criticism let alone for being able to recognize what good writing looks like and how it is to be set out..
"…I really don’t care?"
Why the question mark?
"Enjoy that half an hour of your life you just wasted."
The only reason it was a waste of time was because I was doing what Twain and others advised me against when they said
"Never Attempt To Teach a Pig To Sing; It Wastes Your Time and Annoys the Pig"
Why the question mark?
"Enjoy that half an hour of your life you just wasted."
The only reason it was a waste of time was because I was doing what Twain and others advised me against when they said
"Never Attempt To Teach a Pig To Sing; It Wastes Your Time and Annoys the Pig"
Anonymous
7th Jun 2023 5:43pm
My comment was on the poem written by JZ. No need for you to stick your nose in. I wasn’t talking to you. All you do is attack people. I’d recommend getting a hobby. And then you wonder why you get no comments.
As for the other thing…
… I’m a published poet, performing regularly on stage and regularly booked for festivals and events. But no, please. Feel free to continue with how I’m a failure at life.
Good day to you, Sir. ☀️
As for the other thing…
… I’m a published poet, performing regularly on stage and regularly booked for festivals and events. But no, please. Feel free to continue with how I’m a failure at life.
Good day to you, Sir. ☀️
3rd Jun 2023 10:11am
Very dear Missy,
You are right. You understand my poem very well. Where is the equality between the person who sacrifices himself and dies to offer what is good and useful not to himself, but to all people, and that or those who use what he has offered in such a mean and selfish way? Please, Missy keep in touch. I like to read the opinions of good poets, who can understand the real meaning of a poem. J.Z.
You are right. You understand my poem very well. Where is the equality between the person who sacrifices himself and dies to offer what is good and useful not to himself, but to all people, and that or those who use what he has offered in such a mean and selfish way? Please, Missy keep in touch. I like to read the opinions of good poets, who can understand the real meaning of a poem. J.Z.
"Where is the equality between the person who sacrifices himself and dies to offer what is good and useful not to himself, but to all people, and that or those who use what he has offered in such a mean and selfish way?"
Where may one find in your submission an actual description of something ("that who [sic]") or anyone who used what your trunk bearer has done (selflessly for others) in mean and selfish ways, let alone what the nature of these "mean and selfish ways was?
The closest you come to it is here:
"How can some people live to give
while others shamelessly receive?"
which only raises, but does not in any way answer, a **question** that is based upon the question-begging and wholly false premise that people cannot live to give if and when."others" are involved in "shameless receiving" And it hardly shows that any thing or anyone is employing the ways that the tree trunk bearer created in mean and selfish ways.
Your submission does not come anywhere near saying what you claim it says - i.e, that there are things or people who are using the bridge that your trunk bearer has built for their own mean and selfish ways, let alone what the substance of these mean and selfish ways are so that a reader can see how and why those who perform them are unequal in character to your tree trunk bearer -- and it does not deal with the subject you think it deals with (i.e. whether the latter is "equal" in any particular, but unstated, way with the former) -- let alone in any truly linguistically felicitous way
And why would you even raise, let alone not answer, the question of whether something or anyone who did act in these ways would be "equal" to one who did not engage in mean and selfish actions towards others?. What purpose does raising the question serve, especially since the answer to it is already apparent?
Where may one find in your submission an actual description of something ("that who [sic]") or anyone who used what your trunk bearer has done (selflessly for others) in mean and selfish ways, let alone what the nature of these "mean and selfish ways was?
The closest you come to it is here:
"How can some people live to give
while others shamelessly receive?"
which only raises, but does not in any way answer, a **question** that is based upon the question-begging and wholly false premise that people cannot live to give if and when."others" are involved in "shameless receiving" And it hardly shows that any thing or anyone is employing the ways that the tree trunk bearer created in mean and selfish ways.
Your submission does not come anywhere near saying what you claim it says - i.e, that there are things or people who are using the bridge that your trunk bearer has built for their own mean and selfish ways, let alone what the substance of these mean and selfish ways are so that a reader can see how and why those who perform them are unequal in character to your tree trunk bearer -- and it does not deal with the subject you think it deals with (i.e. whether the latter is "equal" in any particular, but unstated, way with the former) -- let alone in any truly linguistically felicitous way
And why would you even raise, let alone not answer, the question of whether something or anyone who did act in these ways would be "equal" to one who did not engage in mean and selfish actions towards others?. What purpose does raising the question serve, especially since the answer to it is already apparent?
I watched my son
when he was born
so shamelessly receive
while at his mother’s breast
her milk.
And there was ne'er
a question raised
about the how (or why)
she lived to deed
her milk away
when all that he
exhibited
was greed.
So when it’s asked
(as it is asked above)
just how it is
that certain (many) people chose
to body generosity
despite the fact
the world is full
of selfishness
and enmity,
the answer's “they
abide in love”.
when he was born
so shamelessly receive
while at his mother’s breast
her milk.
And there was ne'er
a question raised
about the how (or why)
she lived to deed
her milk away
when all that he
exhibited
was greed.
So when it’s asked
(as it is asked above)
just how it is
that certain (many) people chose
to body generosity
despite the fact
the world is full
of selfishness
and enmity,
the answer's “they
abide in love”.
7th Jun 2023 6:41pm
"Anonymous" wrote
"As for the other thing…
… I’m a published poet, performing regularly on stage and regularly booked for festivals and events. "
May I ask where you've been published? In what journals or venues? Will you please tell me what stages, festivals, and events you have performed on/at and are regularly booked for?
Readers here might like to know so that they can read your published work and come and hear you perform/recite. your poems.
.
"But no, please. Feel free to continue with how I’m a failure at life."
Would you please point out exactly where I said that you were a failure at [sic in?] life?
So far as I can see, you are putting words in my mouth in order to score points against me. And someone who does such things in order to make a case against another shows him/herself to have no real case to make.
And is it really true that none of my submissions have ever received comments?
"As for the other thing…
… I’m a published poet, performing regularly on stage and regularly booked for festivals and events. "
May I ask where you've been published? In what journals or venues? Will you please tell me what stages, festivals, and events you have performed on/at and are regularly booked for?
Readers here might like to know so that they can read your published work and come and hear you perform/recite. your poems.
.
"But no, please. Feel free to continue with how I’m a failure at life."
Would you please point out exactly where I said that you were a failure at [sic in?] life?
So far as I can see, you are putting words in my mouth in order to score points against me. And someone who does such things in order to make a case against another shows him/herself to have no real case to make.
And is it really true that none of my submissions have ever received comments?
7th Jun 2023 8:24pm
Baldwin,
Why do you interfere between Missy and me. Perhaps, In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry. What kind of person are you? Can you tell me? Is this your job in life? You want to contradict everybody.
Why do you interfere between Missy and me. Perhaps, In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry. What kind of person are you? Can you tell me? Is this your job in life? You want to contradict everybody.
"Why do you **interfere between" [sic] Missy and me. [sic ?"]"
This is a public forum. Questionable comments and ad hominems made on it deserve to be responded to. And I'm not "interfering between" [a solecism] you two. Nothing I have said prevents you two from talking to each other.
"Perhaps, In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry."
Have I ever said such a thing? My opinion on this matter is that comments should be accurate, literate, properly punctuated, grammatically sound, and based on a true perception of what you are attempting to talk about in your submissions..
"What kind of person are you?"
The same as you, i.e., one who thinks sloppy writing, false claims, misunderstandings of what words mean and how they are to be used, and misrepresentations of facts that are posted on a public forum should be corrected
The only difference between you and "missy" on the one hand and me on the other is that I don't use ad hominems when my claims are challenged and I have no evidence to back them up
But the real question is: Why do you not show how and why the comments I've been making about the coherence and comprehensibility of, and the poor quality of writing within your submission, (which BTW, are designed to help you avoid the mistakes you make and, if taken into account, would help you become a better poet) are not apt and not warranted if you think they are not?
This is a public forum. Questionable comments and ad hominems made on it deserve to be responded to. And I'm not "interfering between" [a solecism] you two. Nothing I have said prevents you two from talking to each other.
"Perhaps, In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry."
Have I ever said such a thing? My opinion on this matter is that comments should be accurate, literate, properly punctuated, grammatically sound, and based on a true perception of what you are attempting to talk about in your submissions..
"What kind of person are you?"
The same as you, i.e., one who thinks sloppy writing, false claims, misunderstandings of what words mean and how they are to be used, and misrepresentations of facts that are posted on a public forum should be corrected
The only difference between you and "missy" on the one hand and me on the other is that I don't use ad hominems when my claims are challenged and I have no evidence to back them up
But the real question is: Why do you not show how and why the comments I've been making about the coherence and comprehensibility of, and the poor quality of writing within your submission, (which BTW, are designed to help you avoid the mistakes you make and, if taken into account, would help you become a better poet) are not apt and not warranted if you think they are not?
7th Jun 2023 10:20pm
Baldwin,
1-Without becoming a better poet, l drove you mad with jealousy. If l become better, what will happen to you?
2- What is the solecism you are talking about. Tell me to show you that you are mistaken.
1-Without becoming a better poet, l drove you mad with jealousy. If l become better, what will happen to you?
2- What is the solecism you are talking about. Tell me to show you that you are mistaken.
"1-Without becoming a better poet, l drove you mad with jealousy."
Oh, what silly things you say in order to preserve your ego!
" If l become better, what will happen to you?"
According to you, I'd become even more jealous than I supposedly (but without any supporting evidence from you) already am!
"2- What is the solecism you are talking about. [sic ?]."
If you can't see it, I'm not about to tell you. And here I thought you were a poet.
Oh, what silly things you say in order to preserve your ego!
" If l become better, what will happen to you?"
According to you, I'd become even more jealous than I supposedly (but without any supporting evidence from you) already am!
"2- What is the solecism you are talking about. [sic ?]."
If you can't see it, I'm not about to tell you. And here I thought you were a poet.
8th Jun 2023 8:24am
"Interfere between" is an unusual and awkward expression especially when compared with the frequency with which phrases like "interfere in" and" interfere with" are used to suggest some sort of disruption.
In any case, since "interfere" means "prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly", I did not do what you claim I did. And what you should have said if your claim were to be close to being true is that I was "interfering in/with the exchange that you and "missy" were having.".
Nor have you shown that I said or claimed that "missy" has no right to comment on your submissions.
Are you claiming that I have no right to comment upon "missy's" comments on your submissions, especially when they are full of misunderstandings of what your submissions are all about, or upon my comments, especially when "her" comments are poorly worded, untrue, unsubstantiated, and full of ad hominems?
In any case, since "interfere" means "prevent (a process or activity) from continuing or being carried out properly", I did not do what you claim I did. And what you should have said if your claim were to be close to being true is that I was "interfering in/with the exchange that you and "missy" were having.".
Nor have you shown that I said or claimed that "missy" has no right to comment on your submissions.
Are you claiming that I have no right to comment upon "missy's" comments on your submissions, especially when they are full of misunderstandings of what your submissions are all about, or upon my comments, especially when "her" comments are poorly worded, untrue, unsubstantiated, and full of ad hominems?
8th Jun 2023 3:06pm
Baldwin,
1- It is better to say interfere in or with, but we can also use in some cases interfere between.
2- Sorry, Baldwin, but how can we use a name with a small letter? "Missy"
1- It is better to say interfere in or with, but we can also use in some cases interfere between.
2- Sorry, Baldwin, but how can we use a name with a small letter? "Missy"
"It is better to say interfere in or with, but we can also use in some cases interfere between."
It may be. But the problem is that you haven't provided any evidence that this is one of those cases.
" Sorry, Baldwin, but how can we use a name with a small letter? "Missy"
In the same way you used your name with a small letter when you wrote "... In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry"
(cue the editing of this orthographical mistake)
And I didn't interfere in with or between you and "Missy". The most I did was to point out that what "Missy" said concerning what your piece was about was untrue. I did not stop you from having an exchange with "Missy" or with "Missy" having one with you..
It may be. But the problem is that you haven't provided any evidence that this is one of those cases.
" Sorry, Baldwin, but how can we use a name with a small letter? "Missy"
In the same way you used your name with a small letter when you wrote "... In your opinion she doesn't have the right to comment on joseph Zenieh's poetry"
(cue the editing of this orthographical mistake)
And I didn't interfere in with or between you and "Missy". The most I did was to point out that what "Missy" said concerning what your piece was about was untrue. I did not stop you from having an exchange with "Missy" or with "Missy" having one with you..
13th Jun 2023 5:34pm
You have deep insights, Joseph! It seems to me you have been on the path of humbleness.
I sometimes have the urge to read your poetry to soothe me.
I sometimes have the urge to read your poetry to soothe me.
Oh come now, is it true
a verse or two
that contains the claim
that someone who
works for the betterment
of “man”
deserves one’s praise
displays an insight new or deep?
There is, however,
little doubt the way
this claim by J-Z’s phrased
upon the page
is soporific through
and through
and is quite guaranteed
when read when going to bed
will readers put to sleep.
a verse or two
that contains the claim
that someone who
works for the betterment
of “man”
deserves one’s praise
displays an insight new or deep?
There is, however,
little doubt the way
this claim by J-Z’s phrased
upon the page
is soporific through
and through
and is quite guaranteed
when read when going to bed
will readers put to sleep.
13th Jun 2023 9:41pm
Very dear Boyana,
Your encouragement is very important to me. I would love to read your frank opinion of my writing. It will give me a great push forward, especially after reading the criticism of a very jealous person, who interferes with me and any person who writes favourably about my poetry. Nearly all his poetry is about my writings.The other day, he attacked Missy because she wrote some encouraging words about my poetry, and now , he blames you for the same reason. He is waiting for any word of praise that comes to me in order to attack the writer and me. Does that signify anything to you? He is looking forward to damaging my reputation among the great poets of this group. Thank you very much, Boyana, for your encouragement. J.Z.
Your encouragement is very important to me. I would love to read your frank opinion of my writing. It will give me a great push forward, especially after reading the criticism of a very jealous person, who interferes with me and any person who writes favourably about my poetry. Nearly all his poetry is about my writings.The other day, he attacked Missy because she wrote some encouraging words about my poetry, and now , he blames you for the same reason. He is waiting for any word of praise that comes to me in order to attack the writer and me. Does that signify anything to you? He is looking forward to damaging my reputation among the great poets of this group. Thank you very much, Boyana, for your encouragement. J.Z.
"Nearly all his poetry is about my writings"
I have made 351 submissions to DUP. I list below the submissions (271 of them) that in my eyes have **nothing to do** with anything you wrote. So unless you can show, and not just assert, that the majority of them are actually about or were "inspired by" things you have written, your claim is indeed a lie.
I also note the titles of the submissions I've made to DUP that are about or have been inspired by things you have posted there. (I've listed these below). Please show me, assuming that you are able to do so, how the named poems deface what you have written and do not " make what they are based on into something better, or at least something different.
Submissions that have nothing to do with anything that J-Z has posted here:
1 10th Month
2. A Ditty for Pharaoh
3. A Kind of Sonnent
4. A Kind of Sonnet
5. A memory from long ago of Lee
6. A memory of GF
7. A Pilgrim to the Trove of You
8. A poem for you
9. A Riff on Catullus
10. A Steven-esque
11. A summoning
12. absence
13. Absent Friends
14. Abused
15. Adam
16. After Reading Stevens' Emperor
17. After the Annunciation
18. After Thomas Hardy's Oxen
19. After Thomas Wyatt
20. Aftermath
21. age
22. Age
23. Aging
24. Ah Gabriel
25. Ah you!
26. All This to Have
27. An Alexandrine Challenge
28. An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet"
29. An Emulation of Ovid
30. An Etheree
31. An Etheree on September
32. An Inner Monologue
33. Angel
34. Angels' Song
35. Annunciation
36. Another about Gilly
37. Another Ditty
38. Another for Anne-C
39. another kiss
40. approaching another birthday
41. As He Lay Dying
42. As I decorate my Christmas tree
43. As You Slept
44. Ash Wednesday
45. Ash Wednesday 2
46. At First Sight
47. At Glastonbury
48. At Night
49. Augustine's Mistake
50. Autumn Emptiness
51. Autumn in Sherwood
52. awe
53. Ballerina
54. Be Gone!
55. Because of you
56. Before
57. Belly Dancer
58. Blame
59. Bring me at this time of year,
60. Cathedrals
61. Chastity
62. Christmas Tide
63. Circe
64. Come
65. Come Dance With Me
66. Culprit Moon
67. Damn you, Woman
68. Day by Day
69. Derbyed Men
70. Desire
71. distance
72. Dity
73. Do Not Come With Me
74. Dreams
75. Dreams
76. Dreams
77. Ekphrasis
78. Eliot
79. Esker's Crest
80. Exiled
81. explorer
82. eyes
83. Farmer and his gun
84. Fire eyes
85. Fog
86. For Anne-C
87. For Robert Herrick
88. For Sappho
89. For Summer
90. Gilly Juliet
91. Giotto's Angel
92. Give Me Now your Kiss
93. Gladiators
94. Gloria
95. God
96. God Help Me Now
97. God's Loaves
98. Grey Wing
99. Growing Old
100. Ha Satan
101. Haiku on one of my cats
102. Healing
103. her crotch
104. Her Hands
105. Her laugh
106. Here
107. Here's What Comes from Remembering the Past
108. him?
109. How Can I Make you Believe?
110. How I Wish It Were So
111. How Many Times?
112. How should I Pray?
113. How will you know
114. How Will You Know?
115. I Cannot Understand This Thing Called Soul
116. I could not be sad?
117. I Dreamed a Dream
118. I know there were no angels then
119. I Often Sit for Hours
120. I remember
121. I require my woman be ...
122. I Shall Not Share
123. I Shall Place My Palms
124. I shall pretend
125. I want your mouth
126. I Will Kiss You With My Voice
127. I wonder
128. I Wonder If
129. If I could be there 3 reading lists
130. If I should craft new lullabies for you
131. If I should craft some lullabies for you
132. If You Wish It So
133. In Emulation of Ovid
134. In the Brightest of My Rooms
135. In Want of Words
136. Indolence
137. Irony
138. It's Early Morning Now
139. jealous of his "poetry"
140. Jealousy
141. Joseph's Dilemma
142. Joseph's Response
143. kiss
144. Kiss
145. Kiss Me Now
146. La Belle Dame sans Merci
147. lashed
148. Laura
149. Lazarus
150. Liar?
151. Lies
152. light
153. lines
154. little bastard
155. Loneliness is a Fish
156. Longing
157. Magi
158. Mary
159. Mazmer
160. Memorial Day
161. Memorial Day
162. Memories of Oxford Things
163. Mortality
164. Mother Mary
165. Moths to Flame
166. My heart
167. My Heart and Song
168. My new cat
169. My pissed off Muse
170. My Ram
171. My Skin is Taught
172. Nativity
173. night
174. No Ambiguity
175. No Jewels
176. Nostalgia
177. Not Soon Enough
178. not voiced
179. November's Trees
180. Odysseus the Liar
181. Oedipus at Thebes
182. Old Men and the Sea
183. Old Simeon
184. On Rilke's New Year's Wish
185. On Rumi’s Tabriz 15
186. On Yoolis Night
187. pale moon
188. Pan
189. Parts and Wholes
190. piety
191. Pity Leaves Me Wounded
192. Pope's Complaint
193. Ravages
194. Receiving Shamelessly
195. Regret
196. remember, body
197. Restraint
198. Romulus
199. September Now
200. Sheryl
201. Signs of God
202. Sin?
203. So many miles
204. Song
205. Song
206. Stage Fright
207. stages
208. Sunrise Disturbed
209. surprised
210. Tales of Camelot
211. Teach me Things
212. That isn't proof
213. The Bene Elohim at Christmas
214. The Cygnet
215. The Damning Present
216. The Glisten Gray
217. The Home of Words
218. The Moment Afterwards
219. the power
220. the power of the vagina
221. The Road to Camelot
222. The Source of Sin
224. the wages of age
225. There Have Been Times
226. There is a Saxon Church
227. There is Within Your Eyes
228. These are the rough beginnings of my latter days
229. This Body
230. Through a Glass Brightly
231. Time of sexual purity
232. Time the Devourer
233. Tintagel
234. To Follow You
235. Touch
236. Towards Cadbury
237. truth
238. unremembered
239. veni, veni
240. wanderer
241. want
242. Watching
243. We Kissed
244. We Stood Outside
245. We Toured the Autumned Cotswold Lanes
246. What Did the Angel Proclaim?
247. What I didn't do
248. What I Want
249. What I'd give
250. What Is It That You Want?
251. What Shall I Do?
252. what to pray
253. What was his boon?
254. What Would Be Done?
255. Where are we headed to?
256. White Christmas?
257. Whose Bodies
258. Why Remorse?
259. Will I sigh?
260. With apologies to Anacreon
261. Within Our Nested Dark
262. Within Your Eyes
263. worship
264. Wounds at Agincourt
265. Wreathing
266. Wrinkles
267. Yeas Ago
268. Yesterday
269. You asked
270. you away
271. You Did not Know It Then
272. You Ought to Know
273. You Thief!
274. your desire
275. Your Eyes
276. Your Fingers
277. Your Master
278. Your Name
279. Your Searching Touch
280. Your Touch
281. Your Words
My submissions that were "inspired" by J-Z's writings.
Can I trust my dear life to a re-occurrence of what happened to me in the past?
A Challenge to J-Z 1 like
A Challenge to J-Z -- and anyone else here who might find it fun to imitate Byron, Yeats, et. al. A Ditty on The Wages of Cheating 2 likes
A Renewed Challenge to J-Z 2 likes
Absolution 1 like
afterlife? 1 like
Another Lie
another on J-Z
Bards
Calvary 1 reading list 2 likes
Concepts without Percepts
Does death deprive? 1 reading list 1 like
Does God Care for Ghosts?
For J-Z 1 reading list 1 like
Gaining the World 1 like
God and suffering
God is not Good: Bad Theology
God's Loaves
Golgatha
Golgatha 3 likes
Golgotha Hey Joseph-Z 1 like
His Cold Fish (for J-Z who won't answer the question of whether he's been desired by women) How should I Pray? 3 likes
How Will You Know? 1 like
I am a Bell 1 like
I could not be sad?
I'll Not be Obedient to Life 1 reading list 1 like
Incarnation 1 like
Indecency 1 like
J-Z and Eroticism
J-Z and his "If"
jealous of his "poetry" 1 like
Jealousy 1 like
Jesus Cannot Take my Loneliness Away 1 like
Jesus' love
Joseph's claims
Joseph's criterion for what makes a poem "great"
Liar?
Manna from heaven
Memories of Oxford Things
Mitigation
Mortality
On J-Z's "From Hands to Hands"
One God?
Only Jesus? 1 like
poetical idea 2 likes
Poetry as Prosaic Ideas
Raising People from the Dead
Resurrection
Should We Love What the Braggart Writes 2 likes
Signs of God 1 like
Some (would-be) poets do believe ... 1 like
Some naive writers think 1 like
Speaking to Clouds 1 like
Subservience?
Talentless 1 like
That isn't proof 1 reading list 2 likes
The Arrogance and Stupidity of Patriarchy 1 like
The Claim 1 like
The Damning Present 1 like
the elements of poetry
The fallacy known as poisoning the well
The Intent of Mary's Words to Me 1 reading list 2 likes
the narcissist J-Z!
The Necessity of Rhyme 1 likeng list 1 like
The Purpose of Prayer 1 reading list 1 like
The Road to Camelot 1 like
The Source of Sin
The Sway of J-Z's Ego 2 reading lists 2 likes
The Traditions of the Best English Poets
The Usefulness of Attachment to Jesus 1 reading list 1 like
the wages of age
Time of sexual purity 1 like
Time the Devourer 1 like
Wasting Time Writing Complaining "Poetry" 1 like
Watching
We Kissed 1 reading list 1 like
We Stood Outside
We Toured the Autumned Cotswold Lanes 1 like
What Did the Angel Proclaim?
What I didn't do
What I Want 2 likes
What I'd give 2 likes
What Is It That You Want? 1 reading list 1 like
What Links Heaven to the Earth?
what to pray 2 likes
What was his boon? 1 reading list 1 like
Why Joseph Doesn't Write Arthurania
Why Remorse? 1 like
Will I sigh? 3 likes
Will One Be Happy In A Ghostly Realm?
Yes, I Have an Answer 1 reading list 1 like
Your evaluation, please 1 like
I have made 351 submissions to DUP. I list below the submissions (271 of them) that in my eyes have **nothing to do** with anything you wrote. So unless you can show, and not just assert, that the majority of them are actually about or were "inspired by" things you have written, your claim is indeed a lie.
I also note the titles of the submissions I've made to DUP that are about or have been inspired by things you have posted there. (I've listed these below). Please show me, assuming that you are able to do so, how the named poems deface what you have written and do not " make what they are based on into something better, or at least something different.
Submissions that have nothing to do with anything that J-Z has posted here:
1 10th Month
2. A Ditty for Pharaoh
3. A Kind of Sonnent
4. A Kind of Sonnet
5. A memory from long ago of Lee
6. A memory of GF
7. A Pilgrim to the Trove of You
8. A poem for you
9. A Riff on Catullus
10. A Steven-esque
11. A summoning
12. absence
13. Absent Friends
14. Abused
15. Adam
16. After Reading Stevens' Emperor
17. After the Annunciation
18. After Thomas Hardy's Oxen
19. After Thomas Wyatt
20. Aftermath
21. age
22. Age
23. Aging
24. Ah Gabriel
25. Ah you!
26. All This to Have
27. An Alexandrine Challenge
28. An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet"
29. An Emulation of Ovid
30. An Etheree
31. An Etheree on September
32. An Inner Monologue
33. Angel
34. Angels' Song
35. Annunciation
36. Another about Gilly
37. Another Ditty
38. Another for Anne-C
39. another kiss
40. approaching another birthday
41. As He Lay Dying
42. As I decorate my Christmas tree
43. As You Slept
44. Ash Wednesday
45. Ash Wednesday 2
46. At First Sight
47. At Glastonbury
48. At Night
49. Augustine's Mistake
50. Autumn Emptiness
51. Autumn in Sherwood
52. awe
53. Ballerina
54. Be Gone!
55. Because of you
56. Before
57. Belly Dancer
58. Blame
59. Bring me at this time of year,
60. Cathedrals
61. Chastity
62. Christmas Tide
63. Circe
64. Come
65. Come Dance With Me
66. Culprit Moon
67. Damn you, Woman
68. Day by Day
69. Derbyed Men
70. Desire
71. distance
72. Dity
73. Do Not Come With Me
74. Dreams
75. Dreams
76. Dreams
77. Ekphrasis
78. Eliot
79. Esker's Crest
80. Exiled
81. explorer
82. eyes
83. Farmer and his gun
84. Fire eyes
85. Fog
86. For Anne-C
87. For Robert Herrick
88. For Sappho
89. For Summer
90. Gilly Juliet
91. Giotto's Angel
92. Give Me Now your Kiss
93. Gladiators
94. Gloria
95. God
96. God Help Me Now
97. God's Loaves
98. Grey Wing
99. Growing Old
100. Ha Satan
101. Haiku on one of my cats
102. Healing
103. her crotch
104. Her Hands
105. Her laugh
106. Here
107. Here's What Comes from Remembering the Past
108. him?
109. How Can I Make you Believe?
110. How I Wish It Were So
111. How Many Times?
112. How should I Pray?
113. How will you know
114. How Will You Know?
115. I Cannot Understand This Thing Called Soul
116. I could not be sad?
117. I Dreamed a Dream
118. I know there were no angels then
119. I Often Sit for Hours
120. I remember
121. I require my woman be ...
122. I Shall Not Share
123. I Shall Place My Palms
124. I shall pretend
125. I want your mouth
126. I Will Kiss You With My Voice
127. I wonder
128. I Wonder If
129. If I could be there 3 reading lists
130. If I should craft new lullabies for you
131. If I should craft some lullabies for you
132. If You Wish It So
133. In Emulation of Ovid
134. In the Brightest of My Rooms
135. In Want of Words
136. Indolence
137. Irony
138. It's Early Morning Now
139. jealous of his "poetry"
140. Jealousy
141. Joseph's Dilemma
142. Joseph's Response
143. kiss
144. Kiss
145. Kiss Me Now
146. La Belle Dame sans Merci
147. lashed
148. Laura
149. Lazarus
150. Liar?
151. Lies
152. light
153. lines
154. little bastard
155. Loneliness is a Fish
156. Longing
157. Magi
158. Mary
159. Mazmer
160. Memorial Day
161. Memorial Day
162. Memories of Oxford Things
163. Mortality
164. Mother Mary
165. Moths to Flame
166. My heart
167. My Heart and Song
168. My new cat
169. My pissed off Muse
170. My Ram
171. My Skin is Taught
172. Nativity
173. night
174. No Ambiguity
175. No Jewels
176. Nostalgia
177. Not Soon Enough
178. not voiced
179. November's Trees
180. Odysseus the Liar
181. Oedipus at Thebes
182. Old Men and the Sea
183. Old Simeon
184. On Rilke's New Year's Wish
185. On Rumi’s Tabriz 15
186. On Yoolis Night
187. pale moon
188. Pan
189. Parts and Wholes
190. piety
191. Pity Leaves Me Wounded
192. Pope's Complaint
193. Ravages
194. Receiving Shamelessly
195. Regret
196. remember, body
197. Restraint
198. Romulus
199. September Now
200. Sheryl
201. Signs of God
202. Sin?
203. So many miles
204. Song
205. Song
206. Stage Fright
207. stages
208. Sunrise Disturbed
209. surprised
210. Tales of Camelot
211. Teach me Things
212. That isn't proof
213. The Bene Elohim at Christmas
214. The Cygnet
215. The Damning Present
216. The Glisten Gray
217. The Home of Words
218. The Moment Afterwards
219. the power
220. the power of the vagina
221. The Road to Camelot
222. The Source of Sin
224. the wages of age
225. There Have Been Times
226. There is a Saxon Church
227. There is Within Your Eyes
228. These are the rough beginnings of my latter days
229. This Body
230. Through a Glass Brightly
231. Time of sexual purity
232. Time the Devourer
233. Tintagel
234. To Follow You
235. Touch
236. Towards Cadbury
237. truth
238. unremembered
239. veni, veni
240. wanderer
241. want
242. Watching
243. We Kissed
244. We Stood Outside
245. We Toured the Autumned Cotswold Lanes
246. What Did the Angel Proclaim?
247. What I didn't do
248. What I Want
249. What I'd give
250. What Is It That You Want?
251. What Shall I Do?
252. what to pray
253. What was his boon?
254. What Would Be Done?
255. Where are we headed to?
256. White Christmas?
257. Whose Bodies
258. Why Remorse?
259. Will I sigh?
260. With apologies to Anacreon
261. Within Our Nested Dark
262. Within Your Eyes
263. worship
264. Wounds at Agincourt
265. Wreathing
266. Wrinkles
267. Yeas Ago
268. Yesterday
269. You asked
270. you away
271. You Did not Know It Then
272. You Ought to Know
273. You Thief!
274. your desire
275. Your Eyes
276. Your Fingers
277. Your Master
278. Your Name
279. Your Searching Touch
280. Your Touch
281. Your Words
My submissions that were "inspired" by J-Z's writings.
Can I trust my dear life to a re-occurrence of what happened to me in the past?
A Challenge to J-Z 1 like
A Challenge to J-Z -- and anyone else here who might find it fun to imitate Byron, Yeats, et. al. A Ditty on The Wages of Cheating 2 likes
A Renewed Challenge to J-Z 2 likes
Absolution 1 like
afterlife? 1 like
Another Lie
another on J-Z
Bards
Calvary 1 reading list 2 likes
Concepts without Percepts
Does death deprive? 1 reading list 1 like
Does God Care for Ghosts?
For J-Z 1 reading list 1 like
Gaining the World 1 like
God and suffering
God is not Good: Bad Theology
God's Loaves
Golgatha
Golgatha 3 likes
Golgotha Hey Joseph-Z 1 like
His Cold Fish (for J-Z who won't answer the question of whether he's been desired by women) How should I Pray? 3 likes
How Will You Know? 1 like
I am a Bell 1 like
I could not be sad?
I'll Not be Obedient to Life 1 reading list 1 like
Incarnation 1 like
Indecency 1 like
J-Z and Eroticism
J-Z and his "If"
jealous of his "poetry" 1 like
Jealousy 1 like
Jesus Cannot Take my Loneliness Away 1 like
Jesus' love
Joseph's claims
Joseph's criterion for what makes a poem "great"
Liar?
Manna from heaven
Memories of Oxford Things
Mitigation
Mortality
On J-Z's "From Hands to Hands"
One God?
Only Jesus? 1 like
poetical idea 2 likes
Poetry as Prosaic Ideas
Raising People from the Dead
Resurrection
Should We Love What the Braggart Writes 2 likes
Signs of God 1 like
Some (would-be) poets do believe ... 1 like
Some naive writers think 1 like
Speaking to Clouds 1 like
Subservience?
Talentless 1 like
That isn't proof 1 reading list 2 likes
The Arrogance and Stupidity of Patriarchy 1 like
The Claim 1 like
The Damning Present 1 like
the elements of poetry
The fallacy known as poisoning the well
The Intent of Mary's Words to Me 1 reading list 2 likes
the narcissist J-Z!
The Necessity of Rhyme 1 likeng list 1 like
The Purpose of Prayer 1 reading list 1 like
The Road to Camelot 1 like
The Source of Sin
The Sway of J-Z's Ego 2 reading lists 2 likes
The Traditions of the Best English Poets
The Usefulness of Attachment to Jesus 1 reading list 1 like
the wages of age
Time of sexual purity 1 like
Time the Devourer 1 like
Wasting Time Writing Complaining "Poetry" 1 like
Watching
We Kissed 1 reading list 1 like
We Stood Outside
We Toured the Autumned Cotswold Lanes 1 like
What Did the Angel Proclaim?
What I didn't do
What I Want 2 likes
What I'd give 2 likes
What Is It That You Want? 1 reading list 1 like
What Links Heaven to the Earth?
what to pray 2 likes
What was his boon? 1 reading list 1 like
Why Joseph Doesn't Write Arthurania
Why Remorse? 1 like
Will I sigh? 3 likes
Will One Be Happy In A Ghostly Realm?
Yes, I Have an Answer 1 reading list 1 like
Your evaluation, please 1 like
"Nearly all his poetry is about my writings"
I am now wondering, J-Z, whether you are a graduate of the Donald J Trump School for repeatedly making utterly false and often refuted claims that do not have a shred of evidence to back them up and that have never been substantiated. You follow in his footsteps in continually making this claim and in finding ways to run away from proving its validity by specifically demonstrating that nearly all of my over 300 submissions to DUP are about (let alone imitate) your writings.
And BTW, even if it's true that nearly all my submissions are about (or are imitations of) yours, the question that should be raised is NOT what their source is, but whether these submissions of mine are any good. As T S Eliot noted, writing about what others have written about is common in poetry. There is nothing wrong in doing this. In fact,
“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different."
Would you care to demonstrate with evidence that supports any claim that you might make that I have defaced anything I have (supposedly) "taken from you" and that I have not made what I have taken from you into something better, or at least something different.?
And as the record shows, I did not "attack" Missy because she wrote some encouraging words about your poetry,
I made the valid observation that her claims concerning what your submission was about was untrue. If anyone did any attacking, it was Missy upon me.
Nor did I interfere with your ability to write anything.
And I did not blame Boyana for anything, let alone her saying something nice about your submission.. I raised the question about whether her claim that the submission of yours above shows deep insight into anything.
In any case, I need not do anything to damage your reputation as a good poet. You do that yourself in the way you write.
I am now wondering, J-Z, whether you are a graduate of the Donald J Trump School for repeatedly making utterly false and often refuted claims that do not have a shred of evidence to back them up and that have never been substantiated. You follow in his footsteps in continually making this claim and in finding ways to run away from proving its validity by specifically demonstrating that nearly all of my over 300 submissions to DUP are about (let alone imitate) your writings.
And BTW, even if it's true that nearly all my submissions are about (or are imitations of) yours, the question that should be raised is NOT what their source is, but whether these submissions of mine are any good. As T S Eliot noted, writing about what others have written about is common in poetry. There is nothing wrong in doing this. In fact,
“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different."
Would you care to demonstrate with evidence that supports any claim that you might make that I have defaced anything I have (supposedly) "taken from you" and that I have not made what I have taken from you into something better, or at least something different.?
And as the record shows, I did not "attack" Missy because she wrote some encouraging words about your poetry,
I made the valid observation that her claims concerning what your submission was about was untrue. If anyone did any attacking, it was Missy upon me.
Nor did I interfere with your ability to write anything.
And I did not blame Boyana for anything, let alone her saying something nice about your submission.. I raised the question about whether her claim that the submission of yours above shows deep insight into anything.
In any case, I need not do anything to damage your reputation as a good poet. You do that yourself in the way you write.
