MIND, SIN, AND THE DEVILS

And just what was this obscene act from which there is no "come back"?

BTW, the expression "come back' [come-back/comeback] is an English idiom for "retort"

From Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
come‧back /ˈkʌmbæk/ ●○○ noun [countable usually singular]    

a quick reply that is often clever, funny, and insulting SYN retort
"I couldn’t think of a good comeback".

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/comeback

Did you mean that there was no coming back from [i.e., no undoing of] the wrong your deviled man had done?  If so, you haven't said it.

This suffers from a  limited and repetitious and prosaic vocabulary:

that will seem so nice,
as a light so bright
so hard,
make her so mean

how it will appear
which will appear

caused to her,
and that causes him
What he's caused her

It's also "all tell" and "no show"..

Baldwin, look up the word, COME-BACK: n. in Longman or any other dictionary before criticizing others, or they won't take you seriously.

Did you not see that I quoted what Longman says about the meaning of the noun "come back"?

It's the **phrasal verb** , not the noun, that means "return"..

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/come-back

BTW you wrote "come back" not "come-back" and you used the expression as a substantive.

Thank you, Baldwin, for your observations. I'll try to take them seriously and into consideration.

And just what was this obscene act from which there is no "come back"?

It is impossible to know whether you are speaking the truth about how this act is truly an unforgivable sin unless you name it or describe it.

Baldwin, it seems to me you don't like my answer, concerning COME-BACK as a noun.

"Baldwin, it seems to me you don't like my answer, concerning COME-BACK as a noun."

You didn't actually answer anything.  You made a remark that I should do what you failed to see I had already done.

You might want to make sure you've actually read and understood what I write to you before you criticize me so that readers won't have the cause they do for not taking you seriously and rightly concluding not only that you don't write well but that you don't know what you are talking about.

And you still haven't outlined exactly what the sin is that the deviled man has committed.

One more note:

"come-backs", whether a retort or a successful return to a former profession one has abandoned*** are NOT things that can be restored,  Indeed, they have no need to be.

So this line of yours:

"no come back then can be restored"

is nonsense.

Definition of comeback noun from the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary
 comeback noun
/ˈkʌmbæk/  
 
[usually singular] if a person in public life makes a comeback, they start doing something again that they had stopped doing, or they become popular again

an aging rock star trying to stage a comeback

if a thing makes a comeback, it becomes popular and fashionable or successful again

(informal) a quick reply to a critical remark
synonym retort"

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Hello there.

I like reading poems that could have many different meanings and I like that this one, aside from the obvious literal meaning of the Devil’s influence on the human condition could also be about mental illness itself, using the Devil here as a metaphor for such.

It’s interesting to me to see how much influence the Devil still holds on our belief systems, our art, and our literature. I guess he has a lot to answer for!

Thanks for sharing.

-M

Dear Missy,
Thank you very much for your comment, Missy. Of course the choice is in the hands of man. Each person chooses to do what he likes whether it is good or bad, and people are responsible towards their Lord, and towards their conscience. They are responsible when they have a clear conscience or a tormenting one. These subjects are really very important and need very deep discussion. I wish poets would take them very seriously. If they do, they will solve a lot of problems which people deal with in a hysterical way nowadays.

"These subjects are really very important and need very deep discussion. I wish poets would take them very seriously. If they do, they will solve a lot of problems which people deal with in a hysterical way nowadays."

Sorry, but there is no guarantee -- as you yourself have demonstrated in your submissions on these matters -- that poets taking these subjects  "seriously" solves any problems that people deal with today, even assuming that they have a good and not a two-dimensional understanding of what these problems are and what causes them., and just as importantly, write engagingly and evocatively about them.

Dear Baldwin,
Really, l mean the word dear, but you are a person who sees nothing good outside himself, so it is useless to discuss anything seriously with you. I don't know what to say, but you have a problem. This is how l have known you from the start of knowing each other till now. I hope this observation will correct you a bit.

Typically, this has nothing to do with how and why my objections to your claim are wrong. It is another of your attacks upon my person when you should be dealing with the issues that I raised. And the resort to ad hominem means you have no evidence to show that my objections to your claim are off base.

What is the act that the devils lure the man into performing?

Without you saying what this was,  you leave your claim that it was obscene and unforgivable open to doubt.

This act is clear in the poem. You can understand it through the words, [ obscene, will make her so mean, no home is made to save their world]. You are a poet, Baldwin. Show me your ability as a poet.

"This act is clear in the poem. "

No, it's not.  Its effects are.  But what makes the act itself is --and what makes it obscene -- is not..

There is no way to convince you that the act is clear in the poem although you  say, "...what makes it obscene is not." You asked about the ACT in your previous question. However, l consider any sexual relationship without marriage is no in favour of the woman because she is more sensitive than the man, and it may lead her to a sorrowful life, whereas the man does it without thinking about her future. He  thinks only of his selfishness. That's why this act is pushed by the devil.

Where did you explicitly say that the act was a sexual one, let alone one that was done outside of marriage?

I take it that you've never run into a woman who engages in sex out of selfish reasons. And the idea that women are more sensitive than men in this regard is paternalistic nonsense that has no social scientific evidence to back it up and that men always engage in sex outside fr or before marriage out of selfishness is hokum.   Where is your evidence for this claim?  

In any case, where did you **explicitly*** say that the act that the man engaged in that caused a woman (who is not directly described as his wife) to be "so mean" was a sexual one, let alone one that is from your puritanical point of view a prohibited one?

Aren't you supposed to be a poet, Baldwin? What does it mean, "...as no home is made to save their world," in the contents of the poem.

There are all sorts of things that could be the cause of a couple not making a home, let alone one that "saves their world"..  So it is hardly clear that the act that has caused a couple not to make any kind of home together is a sexual act.  
 
Where did you ***explicitly** say that the act was a sexual one, let alone one that was done outside of marriage?

Do you mention all the details that clarify everything in your poetry? Or you sometimes express them by an illusion here or there in your poems. Baldwin, what's applied on others is applied on you. Do you practice that in your poetry? Remember this fact when you write.

"Do you mention all the details that clarify everything in your poetry?"    
   
I do not leave the subject of my submissions, let alone "everything" I speak about in my submissions,  unclear. And I detail them not for detail's sake, but to ensure that a reader does not have to guess or look elsewhere in my submissions to understand what I am talking about.      
   
"Or you sometimes express them by an illusion here or there in your poems [sic ?]".    
   
Leaving aside the question of how one "expresses"  details (did you mean use/ employ?),  did you mean to say "Or **do**  you sometimes express them by an **allusion** here or there in your poems?]".?    
   
I have no idea how something that is an illusion ("a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses")  would clarify what I was talking about, let alone serve to evoke the experience in a reader or the emotional response that I want them to know. and enjoy.  
   
In any case, you have not stated, let alone clarified,  what the sinful act that is the subject of your submission is either by an allusion or an illusion.   All you have done is to note concretely what the consequences of this act have been.  Saying that it is "mean making" and "home disrupting" does not clarify what it was, let alone that it was some puritanical forbidden sexual act since all sorts of acts could have these effects.    
   
P.S.  I believe the expression is "applied to", not "applied on".    
   
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/202196/apply-on-or-apply-to    
   
From Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English    
2 AFFECT [intransitive, transitive not in progressive] to have an effect on or to concern a particular person, group, or situation    
apply to    
 Do the same rules apply to part-time workers?    
 The offer only applies to flights from London and Manchester.    
 
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/apply  
   
Cue the focus in any reply my message may receive to only this last remark.

"They allure him into what will be
an obscene act that will seem so nice,
and don't show him how it will appear
till it is committed as a sin."

I wonder if you realize that your syntax here makes you assert that the act you speak of can be performed without it being a sin. According to Catholic theology, It's only when it is willfully committed in the full knowledge that it goes against God's law for it to be regarded by God as something for which a man (or woman) may be held accountable.