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YEARS OF OLD AGE
YEARS OF OLD AGE
When one gets old, his ears recede
from bad to worse, so do his eyes.
Dementia starts to attack him.
No one a farewell would him bid.
He faces that if he depends
on lust and how he collects wealth,
but if he builds upon his soul,
his last few years will be great mirth.
Experience makes him shun mistakes.
Falling in wells of sin brings pain.
All fall in them except the wise
and wisdom comes in those last years.
So blithe gets man when his soul soars
among the saints and their pure past.
He feels his soul is clean like theirs
and yearns to meet those whom he's missed.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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When one gets old, his ears recede
from bad to worse, so do his eyes.
Dementia starts to attack him.
No one a farewell would him bid.
He faces that if he depends
on lust and how he collects wealth,
but if he builds upon his soul,
his last few years will be great mirth.
Experience makes him shun mistakes.
Falling in wells of sin brings pain.
All fall in them except the wise
and wisdom comes in those last years.
So blithe gets man when his soul soars
among the saints and their pure past.
He feels his soul is clean like theirs
and yearns to meet those whom he's missed.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
____________________________________
Published 13th Jul 2021
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"When one gets old, his ears recede
from bad to worse, so do his eyes.
Dementia starts to attack him.
No one a farewell would him bid.
He faces that if he depends
on lust and how he collects wealth,
but if he builds upon his soul,
his last few years will be great mirth.
You've got to be joking.
1. Here's the definition of" recede":
recede
From Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
Related topics: Nature, Hair & beauty
re‧cede /rɪˈsiːd/ ●○○ verb [intransitive]
1 if something you can see or hear recedes, it gets further and further away until it disappears
recede into
footsteps receding into the distance
2 if a memory, feeling, or possibility recedes, it gradually goes away
The pain in his head gradually receded.
3 if water recedes, it moves back from an area that it was covering
The flood waters finally began to recede in November.
4 if your hair recedes, you gradually lose the hair at the front of your head
He was in his mid-forties, with a receding hairline.
So, since you are not speaking about "memories, emotions, or possibilities, but of organs of sense, to speak of them as receding (moving backwards from a given spatial point) is an absurdity. What you meant to say is: as one's grows old, one's ability to hear and to see grows worse.
2. Leaving aside the awkward (and metrically unsound) inversion in " No one a farewell would him bid.", your claim is a false one. Lots of people bid farewell to those with dementia. I did to my mother who suffered from it.
And even if you meant that those who depend on lust and gaining (presumably by underhanded and exploitative means) wealth will never have anyone say "farewell" to him, is also not true to fact. Do you think that Trumps sons and daughter -- and all of those who benefited from attaching themselves to him --will not bid him farewell when he dies?
3. Your syntax makes you say both that the cause off dementia is that one has depended on lust and how that person collected wealth and that the defense against it is to build upon one's soul (whatever that cliche means))
4 your phrase "his last few years will be great mirth" is also an absurdity. Years can be **full of mirth** or **mirthful**, but they cannot **be** mirth.
Sorry but this is another poorly written sermon which contains nothing that any reader (other than you), especially a knowledgeable one, would be interested in since (to quote John Bodie on PFFA) "it is devoid of any feature that might make it interesting to a reader who expected to find poetry."
Cue the ad hominem response(s)
from bad to worse, so do his eyes.
Dementia starts to attack him.
No one a farewell would him bid.
He faces that if he depends
on lust and how he collects wealth,
but if he builds upon his soul,
his last few years will be great mirth.
You've got to be joking.
1. Here's the definition of" recede":
recede
From Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
Related topics: Nature, Hair & beauty
re‧cede /rɪˈsiːd/ ●○○ verb [intransitive]
1 if something you can see or hear recedes, it gets further and further away until it disappears
recede into
footsteps receding into the distance
2 if a memory, feeling, or possibility recedes, it gradually goes away
The pain in his head gradually receded.
3 if water recedes, it moves back from an area that it was covering
The flood waters finally began to recede in November.
4 if your hair recedes, you gradually lose the hair at the front of your head
He was in his mid-forties, with a receding hairline.
So, since you are not speaking about "memories, emotions, or possibilities, but of organs of sense, to speak of them as receding (moving backwards from a given spatial point) is an absurdity. What you meant to say is: as one's grows old, one's ability to hear and to see grows worse.
2. Leaving aside the awkward (and metrically unsound) inversion in " No one a farewell would him bid.", your claim is a false one. Lots of people bid farewell to those with dementia. I did to my mother who suffered from it.
And even if you meant that those who depend on lust and gaining (presumably by underhanded and exploitative means) wealth will never have anyone say "farewell" to him, is also not true to fact. Do you think that Trumps sons and daughter -- and all of those who benefited from attaching themselves to him --will not bid him farewell when he dies?
3. Your syntax makes you say both that the cause off dementia is that one has depended on lust and how that person collected wealth and that the defense against it is to build upon one's soul (whatever that cliche means))
4 your phrase "his last few years will be great mirth" is also an absurdity. Years can be **full of mirth** or **mirthful**, but they cannot **be** mirth.
Sorry but this is another poorly written sermon which contains nothing that any reader (other than you), especially a knowledgeable one, would be interested in since (to quote John Bodie on PFFA) "it is devoid of any feature that might make it interesting to a reader who expected to find poetry."
Cue the ad hominem response(s)
14th Jul 2021 00:03am
Are you serious or driven by jealousy? If you are serious, look up the word RECEDE in COLLINS COBUILD YORK ENGLISH DICTIONARY and you will find among the meanings which you have mentioned in your long, empty lecture ...[recede], it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense.you can read the examples as l am not ready to write any more. I also ask you to look it up in WEBSTER. There you will see it means DECREASE. Please, try to control your grudges.
14th Jul 2021 00:19am
I see the blend of bold and vulnerable in this … made me think about my Poppy in his closing years … thanks for reminding me of his strength and grace …
14th Jul 2021 7:34pm
"Are you serious or driven by jealousy? If you are serious, look up the word RECEDE in COLLINS COBUILD YORK ENGLISH DICTIONARY and you will find among the meanings which you have mentioned in your long, empty lecture ...[recede], it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense re·cede | \ ri-ˈsēd \"
As predicted, there's the ad hominem.
In any case, No, I'm not driven by jealousy to say what I said (but it looks like you were -- in that you are taking up the topic that I wrote about in "Growing Old"). The idea is absurd. What have you written that I would (or could) be jealous of? And even if I were so driven, the issue is whether or not my remarks (upon which you've singled out only one and ignored -- out of cowardice? -- the rest) are invalid -- something you've once again not actually shown to be the case, especially since both Collins and Webster show that you do not understand what "recede" means when applied to sense organs and that cannot in this instance mean "decrease".
Collins
Definition of 'recede'
Word Frequency
recede
(rɪsid)
Word forms: recedes, receding, receded
1. INTRANSITIVE VERB
If something recedes from you, it moves away.
Luke's footsteps receded into the night.
As she receded he waved goodbye.
Synonyms: fall back, withdraw, retreat, draw back More Synonyms of recede
2. INTRANSITIVE VERB
When something such as a **quality, problem, or illness** recedes, it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense.
Just as I started to think that I was never going to get well, the illness began to recede.
3. INTRANSITIVE VERB
If someone's hair starts to recede, it no longer grows on the front of their head.
...a youngish man with dark hair just beginning to recede.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/recede
Webster
Definition of recede (Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1a: to move back or away : WITHDRAW
a receding hairline
b: to slant backward
2: to grow less or smaller : DIMINISH, DECREASE
a receding deficit
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recede
In both sources Def. 2 does not apply to the ability of sense organs to do what they are supposed to do. To apply it to ears and eyes would mean that you are asserting that in old age a person's ear and eyes grow smaller **in size**. And to use "from "bad to worse" with this definition is to misunderstand what it signifies.
Did you mean to say that as one grows older one's ability to hear and see well diminishes? If so, you haven't said so. Far far better would have been
When one gets old, his hearing goes
from bad to worse, so does his sight.
Dementia begins, at least for some,
to hold one in its sway.
Sorry, but you are nowhere near as good at English as you have frequently boasted you are.
But your ego won't let you admit that.
Now please deal with my other remarks which you've declared, but not given any one any reason to think that they are indeed "empty" To my aging eyes, they are spot on. Perhaps it's **you** whose sight has gone from bad to worse.
As predicted, there's the ad hominem.
In any case, No, I'm not driven by jealousy to say what I said (but it looks like you were -- in that you are taking up the topic that I wrote about in "Growing Old"). The idea is absurd. What have you written that I would (or could) be jealous of? And even if I were so driven, the issue is whether or not my remarks (upon which you've singled out only one and ignored -- out of cowardice? -- the rest) are invalid -- something you've once again not actually shown to be the case, especially since both Collins and Webster show that you do not understand what "recede" means when applied to sense organs and that cannot in this instance mean "decrease".
Collins
Definition of 'recede'
Word Frequency
recede
(rɪsid)
Word forms: recedes, receding, receded
1. INTRANSITIVE VERB
If something recedes from you, it moves away.
Luke's footsteps receded into the night.
As she receded he waved goodbye.
Synonyms: fall back, withdraw, retreat, draw back More Synonyms of recede
2. INTRANSITIVE VERB
When something such as a **quality, problem, or illness** recedes, it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense.
Just as I started to think that I was never going to get well, the illness began to recede.
3. INTRANSITIVE VERB
If someone's hair starts to recede, it no longer grows on the front of their head.
...a youngish man with dark hair just beginning to recede.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/recede
Webster
Definition of recede (Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1a: to move back or away : WITHDRAW
a receding hairline
b: to slant backward
2: to grow less or smaller : DIMINISH, DECREASE
a receding deficit
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/recede
In both sources Def. 2 does not apply to the ability of sense organs to do what they are supposed to do. To apply it to ears and eyes would mean that you are asserting that in old age a person's ear and eyes grow smaller **in size**. And to use "from "bad to worse" with this definition is to misunderstand what it signifies.
Did you mean to say that as one grows older one's ability to hear and see well diminishes? If so, you haven't said so. Far far better would have been
When one gets old, his hearing goes
from bad to worse, so does his sight.
Dementia begins, at least for some,
to hold one in its sway.
Sorry, but you are nowhere near as good at English as you have frequently boasted you are.
But your ego won't let you admit that.
Now please deal with my other remarks which you've declared, but not given any one any reason to think that they are indeed "empty" To my aging eyes, they are spot on. Perhaps it's **you** whose sight has gone from bad to worse.
14th Jul 2021 00:46am
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14th Jul 2021 5:18pm
Very dear Lil,
Thank you very much for your very highly appreciated reaction.
Thank you very much for your very highly appreciated reaction.
15th Jul 2021 4:26pm
Ah the narcissist J-Z!
His ego makes him claim these things:
that I am jealous of what he
presumes to be his wordsmith’s skill,
that jealousy’s what motivates
my criticisms of his “work”,
that it’s my overwhelming wish
to show in what I write
the grasp he boasts he has
of perfect form and style,
and all the perspicacity
that he implies is his
about the subjects he discourses on
like what it is that leads to sin,
to what the scriptures testify,
how all “mankind” is to obtain its bliss,
how Jesus spoke to men,
of what his god supposedly has deemed
men’s post death destiny since their true home
lies not on earth in bodies he renews
but in some other worldly realm
of ghosts up in the sky
.
But why would I (or anyone)
be smitten with a hot desire
to imitate, and claim as mine,
what’s far too often filled
with grammar gaffes,
and dull forced rhyme,
with solecisms and syntactical mistakes,
and awkward turns of phrase,
inversions and mis use of words,
stump clumpy metering
and limited vocabulary,
and therefore reproduce
what’s constantly a pile
of sleep inducing, tedious, and incoherent shite.
His ego makes him claim these things:
that I am jealous of what he
presumes to be his wordsmith’s skill,
that jealousy’s what motivates
my criticisms of his “work”,
that it’s my overwhelming wish
to show in what I write
the grasp he boasts he has
of perfect form and style,
and all the perspicacity
that he implies is his
about the subjects he discourses on
like what it is that leads to sin,
to what the scriptures testify,
how all “mankind” is to obtain its bliss,
how Jesus spoke to men,
of what his god supposedly has deemed
men’s post death destiny since their true home
lies not on earth in bodies he renews
but in some other worldly realm
of ghosts up in the sky
.
But why would I (or anyone)
be smitten with a hot desire
to imitate, and claim as mine,
what’s far too often filled
with grammar gaffes,
and dull forced rhyme,
with solecisms and syntactical mistakes,
and awkward turns of phrase,
inversions and mis use of words,
stump clumpy metering
and limited vocabulary,
and therefore reproduce
what’s constantly a pile
of sleep inducing, tedious, and incoherent shite.
What is this piece which you call verse?
Can't we call it a cheap attack?
You have begun to accuse me
for reasons no one knew but you.
I tried to find a cause for that.
I found no reason to tell me
that your bad words were justified.
I thought l could make you a friend,
but that dear friend started to hurt.
I did my best to start a page
to join us as the dearest pals
as your roughness went on for long.
I was surprised. Could that harsh man
have feelings to write decent verse?
His job is merely to start raids
with reasons or without at all.
When l found that there was no way
to be kind with such a deaf man,
whom l so often tried to be
his friend, but he refused all that,
I started to retort and think
of what could stop his rough assaults.
The best way to defend myself
Is an attack to stop attacks.
Can't we call it a cheap attack?
You have begun to accuse me
for reasons no one knew but you.
I tried to find a cause for that.
I found no reason to tell me
that your bad words were justified.
I thought l could make you a friend,
but that dear friend started to hurt.
I did my best to start a page
to join us as the dearest pals
as your roughness went on for long.
I was surprised. Could that harsh man
have feelings to write decent verse?
His job is merely to start raids
with reasons or without at all.
When l found that there was no way
to be kind with such a deaf man,
whom l so often tried to be
his friend, but he refused all that,
I started to retort and think
of what could stop his rough assaults.
The best way to defend myself
Is an attack to stop attacks.
How curious. All those (often inconsistently metered and question begging) lines and not one of them is focused on answering the question of why I (or anyone) would be jealous of the way you write and why I (or anyone) would ever want to imitate it.
Cue the response to be only about my claim regarding the lack of metrical consistency in the pity party "poem" above.
Cue the response to be only about my claim regarding the lack of metrical consistency in the pity party "poem" above.
15th Jul 2021 7:28pm
He says my comments on his verse
are things
engendered from a grudge
or two
but never notes explicitly
just what these grudges are
or how and why they make
the things I say and demonstrate
about his lack of art
untrue.
I wonder if it’s something that
he’ll ever do.
I’ll wager that the answer’s NO.
Just like the way he writes
his imageless didactic “poetry”,
in this regard he’ll stay
all tell, no show.
are things
engendered from a grudge
or two
but never notes explicitly
just what these grudges are
or how and why they make
the things I say and demonstrate
about his lack of art
untrue.
I wonder if it’s something that
he’ll ever do.
I’ll wager that the answer’s NO.
Just like the way he writes
his imageless didactic “poetry”,
in this regard he’ll stay
all tell, no show.
15th Jul 2021 7:57pm
How can a person waste his time
with someone who has nothing but
attacking people here and there
for a cause just under his hair.
I hope he understands these words.
I mean merely in his own brain.
When he thinks of writing some verse
he writes about how great girls sigh
when he comes near or touches them.
I would like to ask who between
the two of us is narcissist?
Is it l or the champion who
the girls die when they get near him.
His new subject is l, J Z.
Look at his writings you find that.
What occurs in his perfect mind
to see the greatness of J Z
and waste his time on these strange themes.
with someone who has nothing but
attacking people here and there
for a cause just under his hair.
I hope he understands these words.
I mean merely in his own brain.
When he thinks of writing some verse
he writes about how great girls sigh
when he comes near or touches them.
I would like to ask who between
the two of us is narcissist?
Is it l or the champion who
the girls die when they get near him.
His new subject is l, J Z.
Look at his writings you find that.
What occurs in his perfect mind
to see the greatness of J Z
and waste his time on these strange themes.
Leaving aside the facts (1) that I've posted quite a few things that have nothing to do with sensuality, (2) that you've mischaracterized (not to mention misread) what I assert in my pieces about touching, (3) that my pieces about touching have been praised by a number of members of DUP whom I do not know), and (4) that you have never been able to write anything that is in the least sensually provocative or that would want a woman to touch you,
I note that you've **still** not answered why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write or would want to imitate the straight-jacketed style, the antiquated language and limited vocabulary, the grammatical and syntactical mistakes, the tonal pomposity, the lack of evocative language and sensual imagery, the inconsistent meter, the forced rhyme, the awkward inversions, and the incoherencies that run rampant in your attempts at poetry.
And BTW, your strangely metered lines
"I would LIKE to ASK who beTWEEN
the two of us is narcissist?"
should have been written
"I would like to ask between
the two of us is A narcissist?"
or
"I would like to ask who between
the two of us is narcissistic?"
to be grammatically and conceptually correct.
and as
I would LIKE to ASK just WHO it IS beTWEEN
the TWO of US who SHOULD be DEEMED a NAR cis SIST?"
to be metrically sound and felicious.
and your
"Is it l or the champion who
the girls die when they get near him".
needs "for" after "die" and a question mark after "him".
So we have some more examples of why I or anyone who wants to write well should NOT want to imitate the way you write.
I note that you've **still** not answered why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write or would want to imitate the straight-jacketed style, the antiquated language and limited vocabulary, the grammatical and syntactical mistakes, the tonal pomposity, the lack of evocative language and sensual imagery, the inconsistent meter, the forced rhyme, the awkward inversions, and the incoherencies that run rampant in your attempts at poetry.
And BTW, your strangely metered lines
"I would LIKE to ASK who beTWEEN
the two of us is narcissist?"
should have been written
"I would like to ask between
the two of us is A narcissist?"
or
"I would like to ask who between
the two of us is narcissistic?"
to be grammatically and conceptually correct.
and as
I would LIKE to ASK just WHO it IS beTWEEN
the TWO of US who SHOULD be DEEMED a NAR cis SIST?"
to be metrically sound and felicious.
and your
"Is it l or the champion who
the girls die when they get near him".
needs "for" after "die" and a question mark after "him".
So we have some more examples of why I or anyone who wants to write well should NOT want to imitate the way you write.
15th Jul 2021 9:07pm
Stop being the teacher whom l don't agree with about anything. You want to impose your style, which l don't like. Moreover, l don't trust your knowledge of grammar, which l have tasted several times. About your meter,
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so.
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so.
This is another (but not unexpected) dodge of my question about why I or anyone would be jealous of what you submit or why anyone who is interested in writing well would wish to imitate the way you write.
15th Jul 2021 9:59pm
"About your meter,
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so."
And here I thought the issue was YOUR meter and its clumsiness. And when I make mistakes in my meter, I, unlike you, publicly admit that I do.
Do you really think that the places I pointed out in your last piece as being metrically faulty (not to mention grammatically incorrect) are otherwise?
In any case, will you please tell me why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write and actually wish to imitate it? Has anyone ever done so except in satire?
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so."
And here I thought the issue was YOUR meter and its clumsiness. And when I make mistakes in my meter, I, unlike you, publicly admit that I do.
Do you really think that the places I pointed out in your last piece as being metrically faulty (not to mention grammatically incorrect) are otherwise?
In any case, will you please tell me why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write and actually wish to imitate it? Has anyone ever done so except in satire?
15th Jul 2021 10:16pm
Don't you feel that our argument is getting boring? Isn't it better to think about something more serious and settle a problem in our lives through poetry?
And yet another dodge.
If this is getting boring, it's because of your behavior that it's become so. This thread would have ended long ago if you had been responsible enough to actually answer rather than continually dodge my (now repeated **because of you**) question when I first asked it about why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write and why anyone who wished to write well would want to imitate the features of the way you put words down on a page.
And how interesting it is that you now imply that your claim that you write things that people are jealous of should not be taken seriously.
BTW, what problems in your life have you settled through your poetry?
If this is getting boring, it's because of your behavior that it's become so. This thread would have ended long ago if you had been responsible enough to actually answer rather than continually dodge my (now repeated **because of you**) question when I first asked it about why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write and why anyone who wished to write well would want to imitate the features of the way you put words down on a page.
And how interesting it is that you now imply that your claim that you write things that people are jealous of should not be taken seriously.
BTW, what problems in your life have you settled through your poetry?
15th Jul 2021 11:56pm
I solved a lot of problems. The most important one is my belief in God and our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Even assuming this was a problem to be solved, let alone through poetry (which poem or poems of yours did this?), I note that **once again** you have dodged answering my question about why I or anyone would be jealous of the way you write and why anyone who wishes to write well will take the way you write as A guide for doing so.
17th Jul 2021 1:00am
This claim of yours that
"[You] did [your] best to start a page
to join us as the dearest pals"
is hardly supported by the facts.
As what the following quotations of what you have said to, or about, me in the past few years shows, you've hardly tried to be my friend.
Re. WHERE IS THAT VOICE ?
Joseph-Zenieh16th Jul 2018 2:38pm
Dear Baldwin,
I think every time l post a poem, l should write the paraphrasing with it because you can only understand prose. However, l am not ready to waste my time on that task.
Re. TOO LATE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 30th Dec 2019 1:26pm30th Dec 2019 10:28am
Dear EW,
Thank you very much for your insistence that the poem is valuable. Please, read Baldwin's poetry in answer to my poems to see his pabulum in his ideas, poetry, rhythm, and rhyme. Please tell him to correct pabulum if he doesn't know to spell it. Please tell him the correct spelling is pabulum and not pablum as he thinks.
Thank you very much EW. I consider you a very dear friend, and l hope to build cooperation between us because your opinion is frank sound and free from grudges. Thank you very much again for everything
TOO LATE
Joseph-Zenieh30th Dec 2019 4:49pm
Dear EW,
When you read Baldwin's poems which he sent as answers to my poems, you can see the big difference between my good poems and his very poor ones. He doesn't know how to write, and he is trying to pretend that he knows something about poetry. In fact, he doesn't know anything and he is trying to learn from me through his provocations. However, l've discovered that. Now, l won't answer him at all because he doesn't deserve any help. What do you think of a person who has started all that attack without any provocations. Even he writes to the people who like my poetry. What do you think is the reason. Is it because l write poor poetry. If it is the case, my poetry doesn't need all his attack and interest. It reveals itself to be poor. Now, let's leave him talking to himself. I would like to read your poems. How can l reach them. Thank you very much my dear friend.
Re. MODERN POETRY
Joseph-Zenieh8th Jan 2020 2:07pm
Very dear EW,
Thank you very much for your great support. It's very kind of you. Don't be afraid. I can't be negatively affected by Baldwin. No fear. l look at what he writes in case l find some useful criticism, and sometimes l do.I have read a lot about British poets, and l know about English poetry a lot. Don't be afraid. I have known about what l have been doing in the field of poetry for such a long time. Nothing can affect me negatively. But l always look for positive effects even from beginners or from Baldwin himself. Thank you very much, EW, for your great concern.
NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 3rd Feb 2020 3:01pm3rd Feb 2020 2:51pm
No, l want to show you that your criticism is completely worthless. Which one do you think is closer to the reality l've meant. Can you understand for once? Or perhaps, you are still angry as you don't know GHOSTY is wrong and you can't admit it after looking it up in good dictionaries.
e. NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Feb 2020 3:25pm
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Read poems by Joseph-Zenieh
NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Feb 2020 4:18pm
You think yourself that you are a professor, and you yourself know your reality. I am very sorry to say so.
LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
Joseph-Zenieh30th Jul 2020 4:20am
1- Two eyes: aren't they eyes? Why don't you consider them two as each person has. Those two eyes saw the ray that came from that attractive person. Should l explain all that in poetry? Do you explain that in what you call YOUR POETRY?
2- The breeze that the ray produces is a sort of happiness that gives pleasure inside the person.
3- l composed it to have something that rhymes but with good meaning. This is poetry to me.
4- But, means: It is not only right, but also true, as well. It doesn't negate RIGHT, but adds to it.
5- The eyes of the person sent this ray.
I am really surprised that you consider yourself a poet and don't understand all that by yourself. Indeed, you puzzle me.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
Joseph-Zenieh30th Jul 2020 10:22am
This is the reality l see about you, plus the lot of grudges in you. You are an empty, pretentious man.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh2nd Sep 2020 4:57pm
I find that no one of the questions is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical. This is not dodging your questions, but the truth.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Sep 2020 2:34am
Don't correct when you are not sure, Baldwin. No question of your questions is worth answering. Here No is a determiner, but l say ONE to avoid repeating QUESTION.
If l say NOT ONE, I change the meaning. Please explain, and don't use references because l will not bother myself to find them, if you don't mind.Joseph-Zenieh
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THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Sep 2020 11:55am
Baldwin, do you consider this writing poetry? If you write the same ideas in full lines, you find it mere prose. It's prose cut into unfinished lines.
What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 4:29am
Dear Robert,
Thank you very much for your interest and interference. It's very kind of you. I think you notice most of the times l don't answer him or l say exactly what you have said to him, namely I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME, but sometimes Baldwin's words are nonsensical and drive me angry, so l answer him, but he returns to his nonsense. You say that Baldwin may have a point or two, I ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS NOTHING, but he knows how to write something crazy and nonsensical. That's why you feel tired of answering him. Thank you very much, Robert.Joseph-Zenieh
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THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 4th Sep 2020 3:18pm4th Sep 2020 3:16pm
Do you think l am stupid enough to read all that.........?
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 4:55pm
Don't you have anything better to do except taking the subjects of other people 's poetry and writing them as your own poems on your scanty page. Then writing pages about a point that can be solved in a few words. After that you accuse people of dodging your questions. Is that the work of a logical person who can keep his page for his own writing, which he calls his poetry?
SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 5:11pm
Who reads you thinks you have got a lot of LIKES. You have got very few, and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you. Baldwin be true with yourself if you aren't with me and other people.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 11:32am
I looked at your page, and l saw only THREE likes on the whole page. I didn't see any more.
According to me, l used to have LIKES, but l haven't had any since you interfered. Of course that's through your influence there, but l don't want the LIKES that come through you because l don't appreciate your taste, or your poetry. For me, you are not a poet. The proof that l had LIKES before is the medal l have, but through your influence on the group, you stopped all my progress. I don't care. I don't want anything that comes from your side.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 1:16pm
I don't call you a liar, but you call yourself like that.. The person knows himself much better than others know him. I believe that my poetry is excellent, and l think you are jealous because you can't produce anything that equal even 5 percent of my level. This is what you are. The proof is most of your poems are taken from my poetry. You are nothing without me. The other readers know this fact.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 2:33pm
The proof that you are hopeless is that you wait for such goofs to prove to yourself [not to your opponent] that you correct his writing while you dodge important grammar like NO and not, and the relative clause..., what a CORRECTOR you are!Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 3:20pm
Why are you so much interested in my poetry, and have written hundreds of pages about it if it is so bad and if you are not jealous of me? You have been tracing any step l take for such a long time. Are you doing all that and giving all your time for something weak and unworthy? How can l believe you. Tell it to the marine.
Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is. Now, I think you will stop writing poetry taken from my poems. You will look for another good poet to take or... his ideas.Joseph-Zenieh
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e. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 10:40am
Despite all that you have mentioned, you wrote hundreds of pages about his poetry. That means he has great importance to you, whereas l answered you briefly because you are nothing to me.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 3:08pm
Don't you stop using this style of MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. No one is ready to read your long winded writing. Perhaps, you use this style because you don't want them to read your boring stuff.
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 4:33pm
Baldwin, l looked it up in Oxford, and other dictionaries_ l have a lot of them_, but l didn't find OMNISCIENCY. Perhaps, this word is printed only in Baldwin's Oxford Dictionary. You are always right as l know, and as usual, Baldwin!!!!!!!Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh7th Sep 2020 1:57am
Baldwin, first you are long winded, and you don't write in a friendly way, but you are always hostile. I am sure no one in the group likes you. If you can write politely, we can go on together as excellent friends. Please be logical. Poets are not your enemies. They are your friends and colleagues, and you are not better than the least of them.
e. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh7th Sep 2020 4:31pm
Baldwin writes:
On your honor, why evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that it is not?
Who can explain his writing, and where is the first bracket?
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 7th Sep 2020 5:36pm7th Sep 2020 5:23pm
Baldwin, l know what lam talking about more than you do.
1-You changed WHY into WHAT. First you said WHY EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? This is nonsense.
2- You closed a ROUND BRACKET or PARENTHESIS, but you didn't open one. I asked you about this , but no answer. Baldwin, be reasonable, and don't correct when you aren't sure. Now l am ready to show you your mistakes as l know your real standard. Have you forgotten the other mistakes? I'll deal with you in the same measures.Joseph-Zenieh
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WHEN HEARTS CRY
Joseph-Zenieh26th Jun 2021 8:51am
Dear intruder,
The other participants are honest and important poets and writers. They are not waiting for you to tell them what they should write about my poetry. They know what they say very well. Just have a look at their pages. They are excellent poets. They have very respected opinions.
Re. LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Jul 2021 5:27pm
It is made to produce human beings, male and female. Who told you the first Adam and Eve, Baldwin? Don't we have males and females like Adam and Eve born in the way you know? Baldwin, think a little before you criticize.
Re. LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh4th Jul 2021 6:07am
Who told you they were the first Adam and Eve? This is what l meant.
I write in brief, and not like you YOU WRITE PAGES ABOUT A THING THAT CAN BE SAID IN A FEW WORDS. You have a lot of free time, it seems to me, but I don't.
LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 4th Jul 2021 5:18pm4th Jul 2021 5:15pm
I feel surprised
how some think that if they can Improvise
some meaningless poor words
whose ideas are taken from
another poet's verse,
dare to call these bad rhythmic words poetic thoughts.
They turn the theme completely upside down
but still they say it is related to the first
authentic poet whose ideas were original
whereas his pride is stolen and quite void.
How strange are people when
their pride and grudges can
blind their already poor, myopic eyes..Joseph-Zenieh
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YEARS OF OLD AGE
Joseph-Zenieh13th Jul 2021 6:03pm
Are you serious or driven by jealousy? If you are serious, look up the word RECEDE in COLLINS COBUILD YORK ENGLISH DICTIONARY and you will find among the meanings which you have mentioned in your long, empty lecture ...[recede], it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense.you can read the examples as l am not ready to write any more. I also ask you to look it up in WEBSTER. There you will see it means DECREASE. Please, try to control your grudges.Joseph-Zenieh
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YEARS OF OLD AGE
Joseph-ZeniehYesterday 3:07pm
Stop being the teacher whom l don't agree with about anything. You want to impose your style, which l don't like. Moreover, l don't trust your knowledge of grammar, which l have tasted several times. About your meter,
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so
"[You] did [your] best to start a page
to join us as the dearest pals"
is hardly supported by the facts.
As what the following quotations of what you have said to, or about, me in the past few years shows, you've hardly tried to be my friend.
Re. WHERE IS THAT VOICE ?
Joseph-Zenieh16th Jul 2018 2:38pm
Dear Baldwin,
I think every time l post a poem, l should write the paraphrasing with it because you can only understand prose. However, l am not ready to waste my time on that task.
Re. TOO LATE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 30th Dec 2019 1:26pm30th Dec 2019 10:28am
Dear EW,
Thank you very much for your insistence that the poem is valuable. Please, read Baldwin's poetry in answer to my poems to see his pabulum in his ideas, poetry, rhythm, and rhyme. Please tell him to correct pabulum if he doesn't know to spell it. Please tell him the correct spelling is pabulum and not pablum as he thinks.
Thank you very much EW. I consider you a very dear friend, and l hope to build cooperation between us because your opinion is frank sound and free from grudges. Thank you very much again for everything
TOO LATE
Joseph-Zenieh30th Dec 2019 4:49pm
Dear EW,
When you read Baldwin's poems which he sent as answers to my poems, you can see the big difference between my good poems and his very poor ones. He doesn't know how to write, and he is trying to pretend that he knows something about poetry. In fact, he doesn't know anything and he is trying to learn from me through his provocations. However, l've discovered that. Now, l won't answer him at all because he doesn't deserve any help. What do you think of a person who has started all that attack without any provocations. Even he writes to the people who like my poetry. What do you think is the reason. Is it because l write poor poetry. If it is the case, my poetry doesn't need all his attack and interest. It reveals itself to be poor. Now, let's leave him talking to himself. I would like to read your poems. How can l reach them. Thank you very much my dear friend.
Re. MODERN POETRY
Joseph-Zenieh8th Jan 2020 2:07pm
Very dear EW,
Thank you very much for your great support. It's very kind of you. Don't be afraid. I can't be negatively affected by Baldwin. No fear. l look at what he writes in case l find some useful criticism, and sometimes l do.I have read a lot about British poets, and l know about English poetry a lot. Don't be afraid. I have known about what l have been doing in the field of poetry for such a long time. Nothing can affect me negatively. But l always look for positive effects even from beginners or from Baldwin himself. Thank you very much, EW, for your great concern.
NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 3rd Feb 2020 3:01pm3rd Feb 2020 2:51pm
No, l want to show you that your criticism is completely worthless. Which one do you think is closer to the reality l've meant. Can you understand for once? Or perhaps, you are still angry as you don't know GHOSTY is wrong and you can't admit it after looking it up in good dictionaries.
e. NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Feb 2020 3:25pm
You like talking much.Joseph-Zenieh
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NONE CAN BE SAVED AGAIN.
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Feb 2020 4:18pm
You think yourself that you are a professor, and you yourself know your reality. I am very sorry to say so.
LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
Joseph-Zenieh30th Jul 2020 4:20am
1- Two eyes: aren't they eyes? Why don't you consider them two as each person has. Those two eyes saw the ray that came from that attractive person. Should l explain all that in poetry? Do you explain that in what you call YOUR POETRY?
2- The breeze that the ray produces is a sort of happiness that gives pleasure inside the person.
3- l composed it to have something that rhymes but with good meaning. This is poetry to me.
4- But, means: It is not only right, but also true, as well. It doesn't negate RIGHT, but adds to it.
5- The eyes of the person sent this ray.
I am really surprised that you consider yourself a poet and don't understand all that by yourself. Indeed, you puzzle me.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT
Joseph-Zenieh30th Jul 2020 10:22am
This is the reality l see about you, plus the lot of grudges in you. You are an empty, pretentious man.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh2nd Sep 2020 4:57pm
I find that no one of the questions is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical. This is not dodging your questions, but the truth.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Sep 2020 2:34am
Don't correct when you are not sure, Baldwin. No question of your questions is worth answering. Here No is a determiner, but l say ONE to avoid repeating QUESTION.
If l say NOT ONE, I change the meaning. Please explain, and don't use references because l will not bother myself to find them, if you don't mind.Joseph-Zenieh
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THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Sep 2020 11:55am
Baldwin, do you consider this writing poetry? If you write the same ideas in full lines, you find it mere prose. It's prose cut into unfinished lines.
What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 4:29am
Dear Robert,
Thank you very much for your interest and interference. It's very kind of you. I think you notice most of the times l don't answer him or l say exactly what you have said to him, namely I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME, but sometimes Baldwin's words are nonsensical and drive me angry, so l answer him, but he returns to his nonsense. You say that Baldwin may have a point or two, I ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS NOTHING, but he knows how to write something crazy and nonsensical. That's why you feel tired of answering him. Thank you very much, Robert.Joseph-Zenieh
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THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 4th Sep 2020 3:18pm4th Sep 2020 3:16pm
Do you think l am stupid enough to read all that.........?
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 4:55pm
Don't you have anything better to do except taking the subjects of other people 's poetry and writing them as your own poems on your scanty page. Then writing pages about a point that can be solved in a few words. After that you accuse people of dodging your questions. Is that the work of a logical person who can keep his page for his own writing, which he calls his poetry?
SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh4th Sep 2020 5:11pm
Who reads you thinks you have got a lot of LIKES. You have got very few, and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you. Baldwin be true with yourself if you aren't with me and other people.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 11:32am
I looked at your page, and l saw only THREE likes on the whole page. I didn't see any more.
According to me, l used to have LIKES, but l haven't had any since you interfered. Of course that's through your influence there, but l don't want the LIKES that come through you because l don't appreciate your taste, or your poetry. For me, you are not a poet. The proof that l had LIKES before is the medal l have, but through your influence on the group, you stopped all my progress. I don't care. I don't want anything that comes from your side.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 1:16pm
I don't call you a liar, but you call yourself like that.. The person knows himself much better than others know him. I believe that my poetry is excellent, and l think you are jealous because you can't produce anything that equal even 5 percent of my level. This is what you are. The proof is most of your poems are taken from my poetry. You are nothing without me. The other readers know this fact.Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 2:33pm
The proof that you are hopeless is that you wait for such goofs to prove to yourself [not to your opponent] that you correct his writing while you dodge important grammar like NO and not, and the relative clause..., what a CORRECTOR you are!Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh5th Sep 2020 3:20pm
Why are you so much interested in my poetry, and have written hundreds of pages about it if it is so bad and if you are not jealous of me? You have been tracing any step l take for such a long time. Are you doing all that and giving all your time for something weak and unworthy? How can l believe you. Tell it to the marine.
Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is. Now, I think you will stop writing poetry taken from my poems. You will look for another good poet to take or... his ideas.Joseph-Zenieh
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e. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 10:40am
Despite all that you have mentioned, you wrote hundreds of pages about his poetry. That means he has great importance to you, whereas l answered you briefly because you are nothing to me.
Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 3:08pm
Don't you stop using this style of MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. No one is ready to read your long winded writing. Perhaps, you use this style because you don't want them to read your boring stuff.
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh6th Sep 2020 4:33pm
Baldwin, l looked it up in Oxford, and other dictionaries_ l have a lot of them_, but l didn't find OMNISCIENCY. Perhaps, this word is printed only in Baldwin's Oxford Dictionary. You are always right as l know, and as usual, Baldwin!!!!!!!Joseph-Zenieh
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh7th Sep 2020 1:57am
Baldwin, first you are long winded, and you don't write in a friendly way, but you are always hostile. I am sure no one in the group likes you. If you can write politely, we can go on together as excellent friends. Please be logical. Poets are not your enemies. They are your friends and colleagues, and you are not better than the least of them.
e. THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh7th Sep 2020 4:31pm
Baldwin writes:
On your honor, why evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that it is not?
Who can explain his writing, and where is the first bracket?
THE SAMPLE
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 7th Sep 2020 5:36pm7th Sep 2020 5:23pm
Baldwin, l know what lam talking about more than you do.
1-You changed WHY into WHAT. First you said WHY EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? This is nonsense.
2- You closed a ROUND BRACKET or PARENTHESIS, but you didn't open one. I asked you about this , but no answer. Baldwin, be reasonable, and don't correct when you aren't sure. Now l am ready to show you your mistakes as l know your real standard. Have you forgotten the other mistakes? I'll deal with you in the same measures.Joseph-Zenieh
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WHEN HEARTS CRY
Joseph-Zenieh26th Jun 2021 8:51am
Dear intruder,
The other participants are honest and important poets and writers. They are not waiting for you to tell them what they should write about my poetry. They know what they say very well. Just have a look at their pages. They are excellent poets. They have very respected opinions.
Re. LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh3rd Jul 2021 5:27pm
It is made to produce human beings, male and female. Who told you the first Adam and Eve, Baldwin? Don't we have males and females like Adam and Eve born in the way you know? Baldwin, think a little before you criticize.
Re. LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh4th Jul 2021 6:07am
Who told you they were the first Adam and Eve? This is what l meant.
I write in brief, and not like you YOU WRITE PAGES ABOUT A THING THAT CAN BE SAID IN A FEW WORDS. You have a lot of free time, it seems to me, but I don't.
LOVED AND HOLY
Joseph-Zenieh- Edited 4th Jul 2021 5:18pm4th Jul 2021 5:15pm
I feel surprised
how some think that if they can Improvise
some meaningless poor words
whose ideas are taken from
another poet's verse,
dare to call these bad rhythmic words poetic thoughts.
They turn the theme completely upside down
but still they say it is related to the first
authentic poet whose ideas were original
whereas his pride is stolen and quite void.
How strange are people when
their pride and grudges can
blind their already poor, myopic eyes..Joseph-Zenieh
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YEARS OF OLD AGE
Joseph-Zenieh13th Jul 2021 6:03pm
Are you serious or driven by jealousy? If you are serious, look up the word RECEDE in COLLINS COBUILD YORK ENGLISH DICTIONARY and you will find among the meanings which you have mentioned in your long, empty lecture ...[recede], it becomes weaker, smaller, or less intense.you can read the examples as l am not ready to write any more. I also ask you to look it up in WEBSTER. There you will see it means DECREASE. Please, try to control your grudges.Joseph-Zenieh
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YEARS OF OLD AGE
Joseph-ZeniehYesterday 3:07pm
Stop being the teacher whom l don't agree with about anything. You want to impose your style, which l don't like. Moreover, l don't trust your knowledge of grammar, which l have tasted several times. About your meter,
you make a lot of mistakes which l am not interested to correct, and l have no time to do so
