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Suicide is Shameless
In response to "Suicide ain't no solution folks."
by Zaynab_kamoonpury
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poems/318317-suicide-aint-no-solution-folks/
Suicide is Shameless
Sometimes life
Becomes hopeless
You don't have
To hang on
In false hope
Above you
This noose
Hanging
From the beam,
Your own choice
A sturdy rope.
When the pain
And indignity
Becomes too much
You can be sure
That your
Death will
Come as a respite
Or termination
Of your suffering
You will be
Plunged
Into a
Peace
Nothing worse
Than
Continuing
Blindly
Out of fear
In times of trials and tribulations
You're on your own
Your chances of salvation are zero
No one is coming to save you
Some of this is of your own doing
Expecting life to be fair, or honest
There are no excuses for suicide
Just good reasons; your reasons; never lame,
Better to enjoy your last few hours
Than suffer in pain for a decade
Plan to commit this act with care
A job worth doing is worth doing well
Never do it for another's pity and regret.
There will be none shown; even if there was,
You wont benefit, you'll be dead
The thought of no more pain and grief
Soothes my broken heart
A large slice of my future
Suffering will lie in waste,
Peace, at last
Move towards thy end,
Time to extinguish the gloom.
Suicide can be a way out
No other human
Least a religious one
Will pretend to understand.
They will call you a coward
And threaten you with Hell
It is your life
You and only you
Have the right to bring
About its end.
You know your future
There is no room for probabilities
Or any guess work:
Wishing these years away
Is prudent and sensible
Discard them into the dust
Nothing bright ahead,
All hope has gone
There is no god
Only the Black Page
Of tranquility
Published 25th Aug 2018
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26th Aug 2018 10:51am
Hi again, finally I get a chance to comment on this, as on Sunday's hubby home and he's too possessive about me commenting on any males but I do it in his absence for exchange of views anyway.
Ok first of all let's look at your poem for its poetic talent, which I have to commend you is indeed darkly awesome, overawing and poignant in a very poetic way. It shows despair and pain and expressing it is good and therapeutic according to some yet it can also encourage and promote the feelings of hopeless, dark despair and send some poor soul into irreparable melancholy without letting them have a chance at some bright source of happiness in the future. And mind you ending your life is real physical pain so if the person is a fraidy cat like many I know , he would just go into a painful phase of complete madness scared of committing it yet feel nothing but despair and feel no hope , as influenced by your poem. I mean it was real thoughtful but not enough that u labeled it as extreme and not for teenagers and kids who could still read it anyway.
I tell you I've seen many feel come to peace and contentment just by connecting with the one true God.
I can tell u of a Muslim widow who was getting eaten away by deep depression as she talked and talked of her dead husband who she said was the best most loving husband she ever saw and she morbidly stuck to his grave daily for hours, starving herself in pain.
She was highly irreligious so I brought her to God who when she connected with gave her so much solace and distraction that after a year of manic depression was finally able to move on and divert her energy to other sources of occupation and contentment than her former happiness. She took up tailoring and doesn't miss her hubby so much. You see God helped her forget about the impossible and come to terms with reality and accept it. She couldn't do it without God but now she is religious she can.
So kudos for your expression, sarcasm and poetry but am I wrong to wish no one follows your advice of hopeless despair? I hope not. God is the best solution and I invite everyone to find it.
Cheers and peace.
Ok first of all let's look at your poem for its poetic talent, which I have to commend you is indeed darkly awesome, overawing and poignant in a very poetic way. It shows despair and pain and expressing it is good and therapeutic according to some yet it can also encourage and promote the feelings of hopeless, dark despair and send some poor soul into irreparable melancholy without letting them have a chance at some bright source of happiness in the future. And mind you ending your life is real physical pain so if the person is a fraidy cat like many I know , he would just go into a painful phase of complete madness scared of committing it yet feel nothing but despair and feel no hope , as influenced by your poem. I mean it was real thoughtful but not enough that u labeled it as extreme and not for teenagers and kids who could still read it anyway.
I tell you I've seen many feel come to peace and contentment just by connecting with the one true God.
I can tell u of a Muslim widow who was getting eaten away by deep depression as she talked and talked of her dead husband who she said was the best most loving husband she ever saw and she morbidly stuck to his grave daily for hours, starving herself in pain.
She was highly irreligious so I brought her to God who when she connected with gave her so much solace and distraction that after a year of manic depression was finally able to move on and divert her energy to other sources of occupation and contentment than her former happiness. She took up tailoring and doesn't miss her hubby so much. You see God helped her forget about the impossible and come to terms with reality and accept it. She couldn't do it without God but now she is religious she can.
So kudos for your expression, sarcasm and poetry but am I wrong to wish no one follows your advice of hopeless despair? I hope not. God is the best solution and I invite everyone to find it.
Cheers and peace.
26th Aug 2018 4:11pm
Hi
You say my poem shows despair, does it? Or does it show the reality of some peoples daily life?
Our Poems are very similar in nature firstly they are both poems based on opinion. There are no facts in either poem, we have both expressed our beliefs on this subject. Both are promoting and encouraging thoughtful contemplation of differing views on a sensitive subject, yet both poems are insensitive and biased because or our views.
You did not post your poem as extreme yet you are trying to progress a religious ideology as fact, backed up only by anecdotal stories. Now there are some that would view such Ideologies as brain washing cults doing more harm than good, do they want their children press ganged in to any religious ideology, for many the answer would be a resounding no and would view religious recruitment as offensive.
I could tell many a tale of people I know and have met who are harmed by the god delusion many driven to self harm and some to suicide. By things like undue guilt, strict rules, fear of hell, abuse of all kinds and a connection to god. Nobody on the planet has clean hands no matter how often they wash them. Your bright source as you call it (The one true god - who ever that is) is only your bright source. I am sure there are many that disagree with your bright source and see it as the darkness
You say " So kudos for your expression, sarcasm and poetry." I am not sure where the sarcasm is I meant every word.
You say " am I wrong to wish no one follows your advice of hopeless despair? I hope not." In my opinion you are very wrong
You say " God is the best solution." I say god is a man made delusion which causes more death and hate than anything else I know."
You did not understand my response or where it has come from and it is important that you do. Firstly, in my experience, there is no god: not one. Secondly No god came to my rescue as a child when I was being abused in the worse ways possible from 5 to 13 in a religious setting. Currently as a result Of PTSD I relive that abuse every day. I am disabled a double through the knee amputee and I have not had a pain free day for 6 years. I know what my prognosis is and it's not just more of the same it is worse. My bright spot is my savings towards an assisted suicide before I am reduced to and adult baby in agony. So If you don't mind, I am not in despair there is no hope and I will go to my death smiling.
Cheers
One final thing i said in my comment to you that I would fight for you right to say the things you say - I note that you did not offer the same reassurance - just saying,..
You say my poem shows despair, does it? Or does it show the reality of some peoples daily life?
Our Poems are very similar in nature firstly they are both poems based on opinion. There are no facts in either poem, we have both expressed our beliefs on this subject. Both are promoting and encouraging thoughtful contemplation of differing views on a sensitive subject, yet both poems are insensitive and biased because or our views.
You did not post your poem as extreme yet you are trying to progress a religious ideology as fact, backed up only by anecdotal stories. Now there are some that would view such Ideologies as brain washing cults doing more harm than good, do they want their children press ganged in to any religious ideology, for many the answer would be a resounding no and would view religious recruitment as offensive.
I could tell many a tale of people I know and have met who are harmed by the god delusion many driven to self harm and some to suicide. By things like undue guilt, strict rules, fear of hell, abuse of all kinds and a connection to god. Nobody on the planet has clean hands no matter how often they wash them. Your bright source as you call it (The one true god - who ever that is) is only your bright source. I am sure there are many that disagree with your bright source and see it as the darkness
You say " So kudos for your expression, sarcasm and poetry." I am not sure where the sarcasm is I meant every word.
You say " am I wrong to wish no one follows your advice of hopeless despair? I hope not." In my opinion you are very wrong
You say " God is the best solution." I say god is a man made delusion which causes more death and hate than anything else I know."
You did not understand my response or where it has come from and it is important that you do. Firstly, in my experience, there is no god: not one. Secondly No god came to my rescue as a child when I was being abused in the worse ways possible from 5 to 13 in a religious setting. Currently as a result Of PTSD I relive that abuse every day. I am disabled a double through the knee amputee and I have not had a pain free day for 6 years. I know what my prognosis is and it's not just more of the same it is worse. My bright spot is my savings towards an assisted suicide before I am reduced to and adult baby in agony. So If you don't mind, I am not in despair there is no hope and I will go to my death smiling.
Cheers
One final thing i said in my comment to you that I would fight for you right to say the things you say - I note that you did not offer the same reassurance - just saying,..
26th Aug 2018 5:23pm
I think it is rather interesting to rationalise with you to remove some misunderstandings you must have about things. You see I'm trying to be friendly, I hope you are too for if u just want to be nasty just warn me. Let's say whatever we have to say , nobody has to win but if there's a point we can accept then we say it of each other .
Yes your poem does show the reality that is inflicted upon people when they follow man made or adulterated religion.
And I due to research and evidence believe my religion as fact but I can't force that or anything down anyone's throat.
You are saying your poem is thoughtful as mine, I say yeah I detect it is if u consider how well it portrays the pain. But my poem is not insensitive, it is a motherly type rebuke to change the suicidal mind and if it hadn't helped some I would have found it so.
And for me my religion is not backed by stories, it is by proofs of its truth. I don't see one harm my religion has done. My religion is not an ideology for me and Muslims. For us it is the only wisest most beneficial mentor to guide us how best to survive in this world and have hope in the next . And if u really can tell of someone being harmed or driven to suicide because of God or religion it surely must be a nonmuslim following a religion other than Islam. If u were meaning the suicide bombers then I can tell u with utmost surety they do it out of political hate and revenge and not God.
And what's wrong with guilt if u have done Sth wrong. And strict rules are good if they have benefits and protect from harm. And fear of hell is really great for it is the only major effective thing that prevents humans from committing rape, child rape , robbery, paternal rape, drink driving , underage sex , prostitution and other major offences since courts and jails can't do it while belief in a higher power watching over u can, as it does practically ,making Muslim countries statistically among the lowest in crime rates. Countries whose citizens don't fear hell and don't respect God's authority are worst in crime comparatively.
Those who see our bright source as darkness are infact brainwashed by media and its consistent attempts to malign Islam.
By sarcasm I didn't mean u didn't mean what u say, I translate it as sardonic, caustic is what I sensed in your poem above and commentary, not in a way offensive to me for I'm not the aggressive type.
Then u say I'm wrong , u mean u wish people to just end their lives when they feel pain? Ending life is painful and it causes pain to those who love u too. And noh God is not man made at all. Lots of evidence points to God.
And let me tell u where I found u most incorrect. Religion never caused so much death as political interests. The entire two world wars were not due to religion. And religion as I know it has spread love.
And u say in your experience there is no God. Let me tell you how that doesn't convince me that there is no God. Firstly u said u were being abused in a religious setting, omg that's shocking, what kind if abuse and of course, I assume it was a Christian setting. Christianity was from God but wasn't meant for later generations unto now and so is adulterated by man's hands and altered from original so it just doesn't make sense anymore. And u say God didn't come to your rescue, did u call out to Him ever? Besides it is not God's duty to prevent all sin and evil in the world, it is for people to obey what He forbids and thus commit no such evil as tortured you. It shows that they were following a wrong altered form of religion if they abused you so much. It's not God's fault.
And do u mean u have physical pain, there's no pain med for that? If there isn't then there is no harm in trying to pray to the one true God to help u, but come with sincerity, humbleness instead of defiant arrogance. I mean if it fails then u can go for suicide, but wouldn't that be so much more painful? I tell u when all else fails God will help u if u r humble enough to accept His love. Just remember He created innocent babies but didn't turn them into robotic saints so evil like the one u experienced is bound to happen but it will be judged by Him. Muslims too are not saints but they have less of evil compared to nonmuslim countries.
I didn't say I would fight for your right but I do say I will let you pour out all your complaints and probs, I'm here to listen as much as I mortally can. And I hope u listen to what I say too for I just can't leave sb with misconceptions about Islam.
You can argue with me. I'm soo sorry for your pain, I do hope u find a life solution for it since your poetry is so awesome.
Yes your poem does show the reality that is inflicted upon people when they follow man made or adulterated religion.
And I due to research and evidence believe my religion as fact but I can't force that or anything down anyone's throat.
You are saying your poem is thoughtful as mine, I say yeah I detect it is if u consider how well it portrays the pain. But my poem is not insensitive, it is a motherly type rebuke to change the suicidal mind and if it hadn't helped some I would have found it so.
And for me my religion is not backed by stories, it is by proofs of its truth. I don't see one harm my religion has done. My religion is not an ideology for me and Muslims. For us it is the only wisest most beneficial mentor to guide us how best to survive in this world and have hope in the next . And if u really can tell of someone being harmed or driven to suicide because of God or religion it surely must be a nonmuslim following a religion other than Islam. If u were meaning the suicide bombers then I can tell u with utmost surety they do it out of political hate and revenge and not God.
And what's wrong with guilt if u have done Sth wrong. And strict rules are good if they have benefits and protect from harm. And fear of hell is really great for it is the only major effective thing that prevents humans from committing rape, child rape , robbery, paternal rape, drink driving , underage sex , prostitution and other major offences since courts and jails can't do it while belief in a higher power watching over u can, as it does practically ,making Muslim countries statistically among the lowest in crime rates. Countries whose citizens don't fear hell and don't respect God's authority are worst in crime comparatively.
Those who see our bright source as darkness are infact brainwashed by media and its consistent attempts to malign Islam.
By sarcasm I didn't mean u didn't mean what u say, I translate it as sardonic, caustic is what I sensed in your poem above and commentary, not in a way offensive to me for I'm not the aggressive type.
Then u say I'm wrong , u mean u wish people to just end their lives when they feel pain? Ending life is painful and it causes pain to those who love u too. And noh God is not man made at all. Lots of evidence points to God.
And let me tell u where I found u most incorrect. Religion never caused so much death as political interests. The entire two world wars were not due to religion. And religion as I know it has spread love.
And u say in your experience there is no God. Let me tell you how that doesn't convince me that there is no God. Firstly u said u were being abused in a religious setting, omg that's shocking, what kind if abuse and of course, I assume it was a Christian setting. Christianity was from God but wasn't meant for later generations unto now and so is adulterated by man's hands and altered from original so it just doesn't make sense anymore. And u say God didn't come to your rescue, did u call out to Him ever? Besides it is not God's duty to prevent all sin and evil in the world, it is for people to obey what He forbids and thus commit no such evil as tortured you. It shows that they were following a wrong altered form of religion if they abused you so much. It's not God's fault.
And do u mean u have physical pain, there's no pain med for that? If there isn't then there is no harm in trying to pray to the one true God to help u, but come with sincerity, humbleness instead of defiant arrogance. I mean if it fails then u can go for suicide, but wouldn't that be so much more painful? I tell u when all else fails God will help u if u r humble enough to accept His love. Just remember He created innocent babies but didn't turn them into robotic saints so evil like the one u experienced is bound to happen but it will be judged by Him. Muslims too are not saints but they have less of evil compared to nonmuslim countries.
I didn't say I would fight for your right but I do say I will let you pour out all your complaints and probs, I'm here to listen as much as I mortally can. And I hope u listen to what I say too for I just can't leave sb with misconceptions about Islam.
You can argue with me. I'm soo sorry for your pain, I do hope u find a life solution for it since your poetry is so awesome.
27th Aug 2018 7:10am
I am afraid we are polar opposites here - you love and obey your God, I am glad it makes you happy / content. I on the other hand used to hate and curse god for his failure to save a child - Given the christian definition of god being the god of love is for me ironic and it is the fact that you cannot love and abandon a child to their own fate, that is the main thrust of my experience - for me there is no god
Now we could go round and round debating all day but be sure that you will not be able to convince me of your views and You will not be convinced by my views we are at stalemate and will remain so and on this earth that should be just fine - two people disagree without hate or killing - that's a forward step :-)
Now we could go round and round debating all day but be sure that you will not be able to convince me of your views and You will not be convinced by my views we are at stalemate and will remain so and on this earth that should be just fine - two people disagree without hate or killing - that's a forward step :-)
27th Aug 2018 11:48am
Ok but finally before I wrap it up, I just want to ask you, did u want God to stop everyone from doing their evil to children and adults. Did u want God to create robotic saints with no free will to do as they please. ? If yes then I tell u many people would prefer free will to robotic goodness and robotic God controlled abstinence from evil. It would be force a reign of force not a loving God even then. God loves us but He is not going to prevent sin and evil, then there is no freedom of choice at all.
Yes I don't hate u and I couldn't hurt a fly so fine farewell but I still think there's no harm in you trying to pray to God for your pain. Any harm? Unless you are arrogant, defiant .
How could have God saved you when this is not heaven yet, this is still a world where evil and good both is your free will. I will never understand if u don't get my point.
So bye bye but u really going to kill yourself?
Yes I don't hate u and I couldn't hurt a fly so fine farewell but I still think there's no harm in you trying to pray to God for your pain. Any harm? Unless you are arrogant, defiant .
How could have God saved you when this is not heaven yet, this is still a world where evil and good both is your free will. I will never understand if u don't get my point.
So bye bye but u really going to kill yourself?
1st Sep 2018 4:05am
we all kill ourselves, methods vary from person to person - just breathing is killing us - pollution and floating free radicals - some take direct action - they shoot horses don't they - death with dignity - we all deserve that as a minimum
12th Mar 2022 10:06pm
I respect your feelings. Unfortunately, I do not see the solution to committing suicide. Life is an uphill task and we have to strive to live life to the fullest. I know sometimes life is hard and appears to be worthless. But life is to live.
KS
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