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Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
Freedom is one of the most Fuc$$%d words ever in my opinion.
This is not only an abstract but also a totally non-existent entity. To me it is just akin to another unit of measurement like we measure intensity of light in Lumens or weight in Kilograms, has anyone seen what actually a Kilogram looks like without any physical matter to show itself in with?
Nothing exists in universe without laws. Even where humans do not exist the laws do. The so called laws of gravity, energy and so on.
Tell me where on Earth does absolute freedom exist? Or show me a place it can? It is all Fu%%ing relative. Even mother nature has her laws, to some they may be brutal but they are what they are. Simple as that.
We cherish the relative freedoms we have whenever we come across them. To ask for absolute freedom is akin to asking for immortality. You can't have it for it simply does not exist.
Art is never chaste, an old saying. Being offensive is one thing, being criminal is another. At the end of the day, no one likes the beholder of the law/rules, it is a job not to please people but to protect them from themselves. Not saying living in a nanny state is the solution, keeping some sorta feeblest of order is in the end necessity both legal and ethical if not moral.
So those who cry freedom, unless they have a perfect reason to cry injustice without full disclosure of their own human faults is simply, to me akin to " patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". Freedom of speech is not freedom to kill someone with words.
With freedom comes responsibilty same like if you're happy to bring a child to this world then be ready to bear the responsibility of parenthood
This is not only an abstract but also a totally non-existent entity. To me it is just akin to another unit of measurement like we measure intensity of light in Lumens or weight in Kilograms, has anyone seen what actually a Kilogram looks like without any physical matter to show itself in with?
Nothing exists in universe without laws. Even where humans do not exist the laws do. The so called laws of gravity, energy and so on.
Tell me where on Earth does absolute freedom exist? Or show me a place it can? It is all Fu%%ing relative. Even mother nature has her laws, to some they may be brutal but they are what they are. Simple as that.
We cherish the relative freedoms we have whenever we come across them. To ask for absolute freedom is akin to asking for immortality. You can't have it for it simply does not exist.
Art is never chaste, an old saying. Being offensive is one thing, being criminal is another. At the end of the day, no one likes the beholder of the law/rules, it is a job not to please people but to protect them from themselves. Not saying living in a nanny state is the solution, keeping some sorta feeblest of order is in the end necessity both legal and ethical if not moral.
So those who cry freedom, unless they have a perfect reason to cry injustice without full disclosure of their own human faults is simply, to me akin to " patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel". Freedom of speech is not freedom to kill someone with words.
With freedom comes responsibilty same like if you're happy to bring a child to this world then be ready to bear the responsibility of parenthood
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Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 1:56pm
There are not enough "Loves" for this, Birdman. Well said. I've never thought about laws in that way before - but you're absolutely right.
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Just like anyone else Dear sage one, I despise limits but there are somethings that we simply have to accept their presence as they predate our existence, such as the laws of nature and places where we find ourselves in. We may not approve of them, or hold any love for them but got to acknowledge their existence and albeit begrudgingly respect them(does not mean worship them). I am glad you loved it respected friend!
Thank you so much!
KDAmB
Thank you so much!
KDAmB
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 2:26pm
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
:-) now you humble me! just a venting of pent up thoughts prompted by our dear mate Souladaratease's latest.
Before I published this, told myself I may end up being nobody's friend for saying what I said above, but again it is better to be nobody's friend than be a pretend one with a feeling of disagreement with your conscience. All in all being truthful helps sleep in peace.
Much obliged!
KDAmB
Before I published this, told myself I may end up being nobody's friend for saying what I said above, but again it is better to be nobody's friend than be a pretend one with a feeling of disagreement with your conscience. All in all being truthful helps sleep in peace.
Much obliged!
KDAmB
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
1st Feb 2017 2:58am
KD My Friend...friends are allowed to bicker or disagree over things aren't they? Details of a view to an ideal are cherry-picked by us as individuals ...within the heart of the master. Even if we speak loud, curse or throw a hairy eye or two at friends...these are passions...I am one who believes it necessary to life. Much passion is given to this page Good Sir, picked and spit by Your very own beak-To voice it is privilege!!! Some other poetry corners wouldn't let You voice in such a way. You have a true heart and wear it open on the sleeve-and I personally Love that in a fellow human-being (shoot...I mean Bird)
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
1st Feb 2017 12:41pm
Lol!! Welcome dear Bro Soul! yes, indeed agree with you Sir word for word. The relative freedoms we have here, like as you've rightly pointed out-this very rambling of mine wouldn't be permitted on many a poetry site and not in such a way at all. Yes indeed it is a privilege, and this is the relative freedom we cherish here. We won't have absolute freedom, not here not anywhere unless we're on the dark web ;-). I admire your words and conviction dear bro, and I do believe my views on many a stuff out there fall not too far from yours. I've been called a hippie in my real life for both my appearance and my take on life at large. I wear that with pride and do hold my views on individual freedoms with passion. Some call me a leftie, communist, socialist etc., never have given a toss, never will as they too are 'free' to hold their view on stuff as they see.
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
Anonymous
31st Jan 2017 2:34pm
Words of truth, my dear friend.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. The world needs more of you.
This is a keeper. ❤️
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. The world needs more of you.
This is a keeper. ❤️
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
Well, dear respected friend, now you leave me shaking my head. This is not a poem, and you honestly humble me with the RL add. I believe there are plenty of friends who share the above views and there'd be plenty who don't. Hard to find words to express my gratitude my friend. Thank You so very much!
kind regards
KDAmB
kind regards
KDAmB
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
well said KDAmB without order there is chaos.. you have such a unique way of seeing things..
love Brenda
love Brenda
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 3:45pm
Oft these days the meaning of freedom is being distorted as if it is a synonym of anarchy. What people are after, I believe is peace, peace from the chaos. Which unfortunately cannot be obtained without some sort of order. You said it very very apt my friend!! I welcome your presence and your kind and wise words dear friend! Thank You so much! warm regards KDAmB
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 4:33pm
Bravo ! Exactly what I always try to communicate , that all freedoms must be used with wisdom. No freedom should be used to ruin someone else, just because we can--that's just morally wrong and total anarchy.
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Freedom when used to abuse another is abuse of freedom itself and not the intended/deserving reason to have it then.
I welcome both your presence and words of wisdom ML!
Thank you for both!
kind regards KDAmB
I welcome both your presence and words of wisdom ML!
Thank you for both!
kind regards KDAmB
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 4:57pm
I left a reply on Soul's poem, right after yours, that you may want to read as well.
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 5:14pm
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 6:50pm
I get what this is saying. My interpretation of freedom is we have a right to do as we please as long as it doesn't diminish or take away from the rights of others. As you state, with freedom comes responsibility.
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
31st Jan 2017 6:57pm
I believe you have much better insight than me Sir Tim. In agreement with you 100%. It indeed does, responsibility is indeed an inseparable part of freedom I believe. I welcome both your presence and enlightening views . Thank You so much for both. Kind regards KDAmB
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
2nd Feb 2017 9:34am
Welcome to Du mate! thank You for your enthusiastic appreciation. kind regards KDAmB
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
2nd Feb 2017 2:25am
Maybe anarchy is not such a bad idea, despite how it is portrayed. What you have said here reflects what is happening currently. Freedoms are constantly under attack as is censorship. These are becoming more and more invasive. These freedoms must surely be worth fighting for and I am entirely anti censorship and being so I cannot agree with what I understand you to be saying.
"Freedom of speech is not freedom to kill someone with words" metaphorically killing with words. to me is just fine
I think we just need to agree to disagree on this :-)
"Freedom of speech is not freedom to kill someone with words" metaphorically killing with words. to me is just fine
I think we just need to agree to disagree on this :-)
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Anarchy is fine if the dominant practise is live and let live.. we won't need no rules or administration/government for no one's doing any harm to other and just minding their own thing and letting others live the way they please. Unfortunately that is simply not possible with humans. May be zombies or other creatures sans evil.
Anarchy as a theory is not a bad idea at all but simply not practical/compatible with human nature. A sad sad reality. No Dave, you absolutely have right not to agree with what your take is on the above views of mine. Metaphorically killing is not the issue here, the issue is hurting someone criminally and unjustly it is nothing short of having the physical effect of wounding grievously/killing someone.
Absolutely right Dave, we must agree to disagree on this and am as glad as ever that you presented your honest views and I was able to do the same without affecting the respect for each other and more than that my friendship with you Sir! I am elated to see you here and see you say what you had to!!
Thank You Dave!!
Kind regards
KDAmB
Anarchy as a theory is not a bad idea at all but simply not practical/compatible with human nature. A sad sad reality. No Dave, you absolutely have right not to agree with what your take is on the above views of mine. Metaphorically killing is not the issue here, the issue is hurting someone criminally and unjustly it is nothing short of having the physical effect of wounding grievously/killing someone.
Absolutely right Dave, we must agree to disagree on this and am as glad as ever that you presented your honest views and I was able to do the same without affecting the respect for each other and more than that my friendship with you Sir! I am elated to see you here and see you say what you had to!!
Thank You Dave!!
Kind regards
KDAmB
Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
I don't ever fall out with people offering different views. That is to me the cornerstone of a civilised society. I am a poet and therefore a dreamer and at the back of my mind I so want a society of people who really care for each other equally. I dream that dream for a few minutes and then along comes reality to slap me down. I look at the current fragmentation and the evil and hatred on both sides and it reminds me of what we humans really are (SAD).
Views
I respect you and your points of view
but sadly I can't agree with you
still, I do not wince, I do not hate
I point no finger, I do not bait
I smile a smile, a genuine smile
we shoot the breeze for a short while
then we happily agree to disagree
cause love and friendship sets us free
from you I cannot take offence
that's why we're remaining friends
maybe if the world was more like us
disagreeing without hate or that much fuss
a happier planet we could make
a brighter future for mankind's sake
Then again why fuckin bother
But then again why fuckin bother
I am not the keeper of my brother
In the main mankind is scum
There’s no God here for kingdom come
No fear, we hate with silth like impunity
We’re fake and we lie with little scrutiny
Caring and love just books on a shelf
Mankind will hopefully eat itself
Extinct and cleanly wiped from the face
The world becomes a beautiful place
But here’s the rub for you and me
We’d rather see mankind set free
Free to love and free to grow
Differing opinions good to go
Views
I respect you and your points of view
but sadly I can't agree with you
still, I do not wince, I do not hate
I point no finger, I do not bait
I smile a smile, a genuine smile
we shoot the breeze for a short while
then we happily agree to disagree
cause love and friendship sets us free
from you I cannot take offence
that's why we're remaining friends
maybe if the world was more like us
disagreeing without hate or that much fuss
a happier planet we could make
a brighter future for mankind's sake
Then again why fuckin bother
But then again why fuckin bother
I am not the keeper of my brother
In the main mankind is scum
There’s no God here for kingdom come
No fear, we hate with silth like impunity
We’re fake and we lie with little scrutiny
Caring and love just books on a shelf
Mankind will hopefully eat itself
Extinct and cleanly wiped from the face
The world becomes a beautiful place
But here’s the rub for you and me
We’d rather see mankind set free
Free to love and free to grow
Differing opinions good to go
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
2nd Feb 2017 2:28pm
Dave! you left me speechless! A brotherly embrace your way Sir! That is exactly what I meant, you expressing your honest not sugar coated opinion, and I loved it and may disagree and not share the same view but that doesn't change an iota in our relationship. Unfortunately it is rare indeed for people not hate the messenger but the message. It is indeed extremely hard to find people who deal with matter without making it a personal one. Dave my respect and admiration for you has only gotten stronger. Warmest regards KDAmB
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
2nd Feb 2017 5:29pm
It's a pity we are so geographically apart - I am sure in the real world we would be good friends :-)
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Re: Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
2nd Feb 2017 5:44pm
absolutely indeed Dave! I have few friends in real life but they are all gems like you- we agree to disagree and hold disparate views yet always enjoy others' company and have a good time together. Thank You David for the honor!!
Re. Fu*&(ng Freedom-- Not a poem
25th Feb 2017 6:30pm