Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications II
Trump is not immune from prosecution in his 2020 election interference case, US appeals court says
A federal appeals court panel has ruled Donald Trump can face trial on charges he plotted to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/
Edit Addendum: Trump has until Monday to appeal to the Supreme Court - otherwise it’s back to Judge Chutkan. I will be surprised if SCOTUS agrees to hear his appeal. If they do they're buying him time.
It's made the front of the Guardian, too, A:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/06/donald-trump-immunity-federal-court-ruling-jan-6-election
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/06/donald-trump-immunity-federal-court-ruling-jan-6-election
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February 6, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 7, 2024
MAGA Republicans appear to have killed the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, after senators and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas spent four months writing the border security piece of the bill that the House MAGA Republicans themselves demanded. House Republicans insisted that border security be added to the supplemental national security bill that provided additional assistance to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan and provided humanitarian aid to Gaza.
It turns out that they were apparently hoping to kill support for Ukraine, which is widely popular both in Congress and with voters across the country, and figured that Democrats would never agree to their demands for a border measure. Thus they could kill aid to Ukraine and hammer Democrats for leaving the border in crisis.
But Democrats see aid to Ukraine as so fundamental to our national security that they were willing to give up even the path to citizenship for the Dreamers, those brought to the U.S. as children, a requirement on which they have previously stood firm, in order to get Republicans to pass the national security measure. The final compromise, released by the Senate negotiators late Sunday night, had much of what Republicans have wanted to impose on the border for a long time.
But Trump, who wants to use the confusion on the border as a campaign issue, pressed the Republicans to reject the measure. While the Senate will vote tomorrow on whether to take it up, enough Republicans have now come out against it that it appears to have little hope of advancing. As the headline of Carl Hulse’s analysis in the New York Times puts it: “On the Border, Republicans Set a Trap, Then Fell Into It.”
In a speech at the White House today, President Joe Biden urged Congress to pass the bill. He thanked the negotiators who have worked so hard on it, and blamed Trump for shooting it down. Trump has been working the phones, calling Republican lawmakers to “threaten them and try to intimidate them to vote against this proposal,” Biden said. “And it looks like they’re caving.”
Biden pointed out that “everyone from the Wall Street Journal to the Border Patrol [Union] to the…United States Chamber of Commerce support[s] this bill,” and that the Border Patrol Union endorsed Trump in 2020.
“[I]f the bill fails,” Biden told Republicans, “I want to be absolutely clear about something: The American people are going to know why it failed. I’ll be taking this issue to the country, and the voters are going to know that…just at the moment we were going to secure the border and fund these other programs, Trump and the MAGA Republicans said no because they’re afraid of Donald Trump.”
“Every day between now and November, the American people are going to know that the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump and his MAGA Republican friends. It’s time for Republicans in the Congress to show a little courage, to show a little spine to make it clear to the American people that you work for them and not for anyone else.”
Then, this afternoon, House leadership called a vote on the impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas, who they insist is not enforcing the laws that should protect the border. Just to be clear, good leadership would never call such an important vote unless they were absolutely certain it had the votes to pass.
You know where this is going, right?
It did not have the votes to pass. Three Republicans joined the Democrats to make up a majority of 216, while the Republicans could muster only 214. Republicans say they will bring the measure up again later.
Then House leadership decided to bring to the House floor a standalone bill providing $17.6 billion to Israel, without aid for Ukraine or Taiwan, or humanitarian aid for the Palestinians. That, too, failed, by a vote of 250 to 180.
Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News posted on social media: “I’ve seen a lot of embarrassing days for different House Republican leadership teams. This one is pretty high on the list. They lost a vote to impeach Mayorkas. And then they lost a vote to send $17.6 billion to Israel. They didn't need to vote on the Israel bill today. They knew it would fail. They chose to.”
News broke today that Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel is planning to leave her position under pressure from Trump, who wants a more fervent loyalist in the job—despite the unquestioned loyalty that had McDaniel participating in Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election—and is unhappy with the RNC’s dismal finances. The RNC’s chief of staff under McDaniel, Mike Reed, will also be stepping down.
Meanwhile, former Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson released a video today confirming that he is in Moscow to interview Russian president Vladimir Putin. He says he plans to tell people the “truth” of Russia’s war on Ukraine. Carlson says that no U.S. journalist has tried to interview Putin since the conflict began, a comment that drew the astonishment of CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, who pointed out that real journalists (unlike Carlson, whose lawyers have successfully defended him in court from slander charges by saying he should not be expected to tell the truth) have been trying to get an interview with Putin since the war began but he will only talk to propaganda outlets.
Putin has, of course, imprisoned American journalists Evan Gershkovich of the Wall Street Journal and Alsu Kurmasheva of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
Carlson said Elon Musk is permitting him to post the interview on X, formerly Twitter.
And finally today, last but very much not least, the three judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit reviewing the question of whether Trump is immune from criminal prosecution for his attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election released their decision.
He is not immune.
The panel wrote: “We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power—the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count….
“We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter….
“For the purposes of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution….”
Trump’s lawyers say they will appeal the decision.
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-6-2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 7, 2024
MAGA Republicans appear to have killed the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, after senators and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas spent four months writing the border security piece of the bill that the House MAGA Republicans themselves demanded. House Republicans insisted that border security be added to the supplemental national security bill that provided additional assistance to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan and provided humanitarian aid to Gaza.
It turns out that they were apparently hoping to kill support for Ukraine, which is widely popular both in Congress and with voters across the country, and figured that Democrats would never agree to their demands for a border measure. Thus they could kill aid to Ukraine and hammer Democrats for leaving the border in crisis.
But Democrats see aid to Ukraine as so fundamental to our national security that they were willing to give up even the path to citizenship for the Dreamers, those brought to the U.S. as children, a requirement on which they have previously stood firm, in order to get Republicans to pass the national security measure. The final compromise, released by the Senate negotiators late Sunday night, had much of what Republicans have wanted to impose on the border for a long time.
But Trump, who wants to use the confusion on the border as a campaign issue, pressed the Republicans to reject the measure. While the Senate will vote tomorrow on whether to take it up, enough Republicans have now come out against it that it appears to have little hope of advancing. As the headline of Carl Hulse’s analysis in the New York Times puts it: “On the Border, Republicans Set a Trap, Then Fell Into It.”
In a speech at the White House today, President Joe Biden urged Congress to pass the bill. He thanked the negotiators who have worked so hard on it, and blamed Trump for shooting it down. Trump has been working the phones, calling Republican lawmakers to “threaten them and try to intimidate them to vote against this proposal,” Biden said. “And it looks like they’re caving.”
Biden pointed out that “everyone from the Wall Street Journal to the Border Patrol [Union] to the…United States Chamber of Commerce support[s] this bill,” and that the Border Patrol Union endorsed Trump in 2020.
“[I]f the bill fails,” Biden told Republicans, “I want to be absolutely clear about something: The American people are going to know why it failed. I’ll be taking this issue to the country, and the voters are going to know that…just at the moment we were going to secure the border and fund these other programs, Trump and the MAGA Republicans said no because they’re afraid of Donald Trump.”
“Every day between now and November, the American people are going to know that the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump and his MAGA Republican friends. It’s time for Republicans in the Congress to show a little courage, to show a little spine to make it clear to the American people that you work for them and not for anyone else.”
Then, this afternoon, House leadership called a vote on the impeachment of Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas, who they insist is not enforcing the laws that should protect the border. Just to be clear, good leadership would never call such an important vote unless they were absolutely certain it had the votes to pass.
You know where this is going, right?
It did not have the votes to pass. Three Republicans joined the Democrats to make up a majority of 216, while the Republicans could muster only 214. Republicans say they will bring the measure up again later.
Then House leadership decided to bring to the House floor a standalone bill providing $17.6 billion to Israel, without aid for Ukraine or Taiwan, or humanitarian aid for the Palestinians. That, too, failed, by a vote of 250 to 180.
Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News posted on social media: “I’ve seen a lot of embarrassing days for different House Republican leadership teams. This one is pretty high on the list. They lost a vote to impeach Mayorkas. And then they lost a vote to send $17.6 billion to Israel. They didn't need to vote on the Israel bill today. They knew it would fail. They chose to.”
News broke today that Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel is planning to leave her position under pressure from Trump, who wants a more fervent loyalist in the job—despite the unquestioned loyalty that had McDaniel participating in Trump’s attempt to steal the 2020 election—and is unhappy with the RNC’s dismal finances. The RNC’s chief of staff under McDaniel, Mike Reed, will also be stepping down.
Meanwhile, former Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson released a video today confirming that he is in Moscow to interview Russian president Vladimir Putin. He says he plans to tell people the “truth” of Russia’s war on Ukraine. Carlson says that no U.S. journalist has tried to interview Putin since the conflict began, a comment that drew the astonishment of CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, who pointed out that real journalists (unlike Carlson, whose lawyers have successfully defended him in court from slander charges by saying he should not be expected to tell the truth) have been trying to get an interview with Putin since the war began but he will only talk to propaganda outlets.
Putin has, of course, imprisoned American journalists Evan Gershkovich of the Wall Street Journal and Alsu Kurmasheva of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
Carlson said Elon Musk is permitting him to post the interview on X, formerly Twitter.
And finally today, last but very much not least, the three judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit reviewing the question of whether Trump is immune from criminal prosecution for his attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election released their decision.
He is not immune.
The panel wrote: “We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power—the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count….
“We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter….
“For the purposes of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution….”
Trump’s lawyers say they will appeal the decision.
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-6-2024
February 7, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 8, 2024
Amidst the Republican meltdown in Washington, a disturbing pattern is emerging.
Under pressure from former president Donald Trump, Republican senators today killed the $118 billion Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act that provided funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan and humanitarian assistance for Gaza and also included protections for the border that Republicans themselves had demanded.
Senator Kyrsten Sinema (I-AZ), one of the team of senators who had negotiated the bill, called out the Republicans who had staged photo ops at the border and insisted that Congress must address the rise in migration across the border… until Trump told them the opposite: “After all those trips to the desert, after all those press conferences, it turns out this crisis isn’t much of a crisis after all. Sunday morning, it’s a real crisis,” she said. “Monday morning it magically disappeared.”
After four months of Senate negotiations over the bill produced a strong bipartisan agreement, Trump pulled the rug out from under a measure that gave the Republicans much of what they wanted, partly because he wanted the issue of immigration and the border to run on in 2024, it seems, but also to demonstrate that he could command Congress to do his bidding.
It appears that Trump is trying to turn the Republican Party into an instrument he can use as he wishes.
Senator James Lankford (R-OK), whom Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) tapped to negotiate the bill, today told the Senate that four weeks ago a right-wing media personality had told him “flat out—before they knew any of the contents of the bill, any of the content, nothing was out at that point—that told me flat out, ‘If you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy you, because I do not want you to solve this during the presidential election.’”
Lankford added, “[They] have been faithful to their promise and have done everything they can to destroy me in the past several weeks.” (MAGA radio host Jesse Kelly later claimed he was the person to whom Lankford referred, and called the Oklahoma senator a “eunuch.”)
It is not a normal part of our political system to have members of Congress deciding what laws to support on the basis of threats.
In Politico today, Burgess Everett reported that Trump-aligned MAGA Republican senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) are calling for McConnell to step down because he backed the national security measure with the border fixes MAGA demanded, suggesting that negotiating with Democrats is off-limits. Trump has consistently called for McConnell to be replaced with someone friendlier to him.
Senators aligned with Trump—Ron Johnson (R-WI), Rick Scott (R-FL), and J.D. Vance (R-OH), as well as Cruz and Lee—took a stand against the national security measure, creating such pressure that McConnell’s supporters quietly turned against it. Everett noted that the rapid about-face Senate Republicans made over the national security measure “is evidence of a major drift away from McConnell’s style of Republicanism and toward Trump’s.”
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) said, “I have a difficult time understanding again how anyone else in the future is going to want to be on that negotiating team—on anything—if we are going to be against it.” She said: “I’ve gone through the multiple stages of grief. Today I’m just pissed off.”
Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is showing as well in his attempt to take over the Republican National Committee, in particular a plan to replace as its chair his hand-picked loyalist Ronna McDaniel, who has ties to the old party, with someone even closer to him. Since 2016, “[t]hey’ve merged the DNA of the president’s campaign and the RNC,” a Republican operative told Matt Dixon, Olympia Sonnier, and Katherine Doyle of NBC News.
Josh Dawsey and Michael Scherer reported yesterday in the Washington Post that Republicans are afraid to stand up to Trump out of fear that he will retaliate against them. In Politico today, Peder Schaefer described how in Republican-dominated Wyoming, Democrats are afraid to admit their political affiliation out of concern for their safety.
Yesterday, Politico’s Adam Wren pointed out that Trump has spent much of the last week attacking elections officials in Indiana for helping former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, who is running against him for the Republican presidential nomination. He is apparently working with loyalist Representative Jim Banks (R-IN) to push the lie that Haley had forgotten to fill out the paperwork to get onto the Republican primary ballot and that election officials were cheating to get her onto it.
Officials say that these baseless accusations are an attempt to sow distrust of the 2024 election.
“Trump is reinforcing a narrative where the only acceptable outcome is his victory, thus preemptively delegitimizing any electoral defeat,” Evansville attorney and former Indiana Republican delegate Joshua Claybourn told Wren. “It sets the stage for yet another crisis of legitimacy in the November general election.”
Mike Murphy, a former Republican member of the Indiana House of Representatives, offered Wren a different theory about Trump’s actions: “The bottom line is he’s completely unhinged. He is literally off his rocker.”
But there is a method behind the madness. Trump’s actions are not those designed to win an election by getting a majority of the votes. They are the tools someone who cannot win a majority uses to seize power.
Trump’s base is shrinking as his actions become more extreme, but he has a big megaphone, and it is getting bigger. As Robyn Dixon and Natalia Abbakumova pointed out in the Washington Post today, Putin’s awarding of an interview to right-wing former Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson in Moscow this week “demonstrated Putin’s interest in building bridges to the disruptive MAGA element of the Republican Party, and it seemed to reflect the Kremlin’s hope that Donald Trump would return to the presidency and that Republicans would continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.”
Yesterday, Representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) introduced, and more than 60 House Republicans co-sponsored, a resolution denying that Trump had engaged in insurrection in his attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
Former District of Columbia police officer Michael Fanone, who was badly hurt on January 6, said the resolution was “a slap in the face to those of us who almost lost everything defending the Capitol on January 6th, including protecting some of the very Members of Congress who are now attempting to rewrite history to exonerate former President Trump.
“But no piece of paper signed by a group of spineless extremists will ever change the facts about that dark day:” he wrote, “the insurrection was violent, it was deadly and it will happen again if we do not expunge the MAGA ideology that stoked the flames of insurrection in the first place. Rep. Matt Gaetz and every supporter of this resolution must be held accountable for their lies and un-American efforts to undermine our democracy.”
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-7-2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 8, 2024
Amidst the Republican meltdown in Washington, a disturbing pattern is emerging.
Under pressure from former president Donald Trump, Republican senators today killed the $118 billion Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act that provided funding for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan and humanitarian assistance for Gaza and also included protections for the border that Republicans themselves had demanded.
Senator Kyrsten Sinema (I-AZ), one of the team of senators who had negotiated the bill, called out the Republicans who had staged photo ops at the border and insisted that Congress must address the rise in migration across the border… until Trump told them the opposite: “After all those trips to the desert, after all those press conferences, it turns out this crisis isn’t much of a crisis after all. Sunday morning, it’s a real crisis,” she said. “Monday morning it magically disappeared.”
After four months of Senate negotiations over the bill produced a strong bipartisan agreement, Trump pulled the rug out from under a measure that gave the Republicans much of what they wanted, partly because he wanted the issue of immigration and the border to run on in 2024, it seems, but also to demonstrate that he could command Congress to do his bidding.
It appears that Trump is trying to turn the Republican Party into an instrument he can use as he wishes.
Senator James Lankford (R-OK), whom Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) tapped to negotiate the bill, today told the Senate that four weeks ago a right-wing media personality had told him “flat out—before they knew any of the contents of the bill, any of the content, nothing was out at that point—that told me flat out, ‘If you try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy you, because I do not want you to solve this during the presidential election.’”
Lankford added, “[They] have been faithful to their promise and have done everything they can to destroy me in the past several weeks.” (MAGA radio host Jesse Kelly later claimed he was the person to whom Lankford referred, and called the Oklahoma senator a “eunuch.”)
It is not a normal part of our political system to have members of Congress deciding what laws to support on the basis of threats.
In Politico today, Burgess Everett reported that Trump-aligned MAGA Republican senators Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT) are calling for McConnell to step down because he backed the national security measure with the border fixes MAGA demanded, suggesting that negotiating with Democrats is off-limits. Trump has consistently called for McConnell to be replaced with someone friendlier to him.
Senators aligned with Trump—Ron Johnson (R-WI), Rick Scott (R-FL), and J.D. Vance (R-OH), as well as Cruz and Lee—took a stand against the national security measure, creating such pressure that McConnell’s supporters quietly turned against it. Everett noted that the rapid about-face Senate Republicans made over the national security measure “is evidence of a major drift away from McConnell’s style of Republicanism and toward Trump’s.”
Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) said, “I have a difficult time understanding again how anyone else in the future is going to want to be on that negotiating team—on anything—if we are going to be against it.” She said: “I’ve gone through the multiple stages of grief. Today I’m just pissed off.”
Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party is showing as well in his attempt to take over the Republican National Committee, in particular a plan to replace as its chair his hand-picked loyalist Ronna McDaniel, who has ties to the old party, with someone even closer to him. Since 2016, “[t]hey’ve merged the DNA of the president’s campaign and the RNC,” a Republican operative told Matt Dixon, Olympia Sonnier, and Katherine Doyle of NBC News.
Josh Dawsey and Michael Scherer reported yesterday in the Washington Post that Republicans are afraid to stand up to Trump out of fear that he will retaliate against them. In Politico today, Peder Schaefer described how in Republican-dominated Wyoming, Democrats are afraid to admit their political affiliation out of concern for their safety.
Yesterday, Politico’s Adam Wren pointed out that Trump has spent much of the last week attacking elections officials in Indiana for helping former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, who is running against him for the Republican presidential nomination. He is apparently working with loyalist Representative Jim Banks (R-IN) to push the lie that Haley had forgotten to fill out the paperwork to get onto the Republican primary ballot and that election officials were cheating to get her onto it.
Officials say that these baseless accusations are an attempt to sow distrust of the 2024 election.
“Trump is reinforcing a narrative where the only acceptable outcome is his victory, thus preemptively delegitimizing any electoral defeat,” Evansville attorney and former Indiana Republican delegate Joshua Claybourn told Wren. “It sets the stage for yet another crisis of legitimacy in the November general election.”
Mike Murphy, a former Republican member of the Indiana House of Representatives, offered Wren a different theory about Trump’s actions: “The bottom line is he’s completely unhinged. He is literally off his rocker.”
But there is a method behind the madness. Trump’s actions are not those designed to win an election by getting a majority of the votes. They are the tools someone who cannot win a majority uses to seize power.
Trump’s base is shrinking as his actions become more extreme, but he has a big megaphone, and it is getting bigger. As Robyn Dixon and Natalia Abbakumova pointed out in the Washington Post today, Putin’s awarding of an interview to right-wing former Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson in Moscow this week “demonstrated Putin’s interest in building bridges to the disruptive MAGA element of the Republican Party, and it seemed to reflect the Kremlin’s hope that Donald Trump would return to the presidency and that Republicans would continue to block U.S. military aid to Ukraine.”
Yesterday, Representative Matt Gaetz (R-FL) introduced, and more than 60 House Republicans co-sponsored, a resolution denying that Trump had engaged in insurrection in his attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
Former District of Columbia police officer Michael Fanone, who was badly hurt on January 6, said the resolution was “a slap in the face to those of us who almost lost everything defending the Capitol on January 6th, including protecting some of the very Members of Congress who are now attempting to rewrite history to exonerate former President Trump.
“But no piece of paper signed by a group of spineless extremists will ever change the facts about that dark day:” he wrote, “the insurrection was violent, it was deadly and it will happen again if we do not expunge the MAGA ideology that stoked the flames of insurrection in the first place. Rep. Matt Gaetz and every supporter of this resolution must be held accountable for their lies and un-American efforts to undermine our democracy.”
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Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-7-2024
Over three years this has been going on, ajay. It took them two years to gather the evidence from thousands of hours of video tapes, and another year in the courts. Trump's word of the year is no doubt "Appeal".
This was hilarious. Thanks for that. I needed a good belly laugh. <3
This was hilarious. Thanks for that. I needed a good belly laugh. <3
Mysterious Lady: This is the opening post for your defunct attempt at a political thread:
This is for intelligent chats only no matter what side. No name calling, no demeaning no disrespect...
Let discuss like true adults...there cannot be only one-sides forum chats....and no one sided long links, quotes, none of that...speak from within....
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention.
No wonder no one wanted to participate in yours.
Thank you for demonstrating the hypocrisy that is known as MAGA.
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
This is for intelligent chats only no matter what side. No name calling, no demeaning no disrespect...
Let discuss like true adults...there cannot be only one-sides forum chats....and no one sided long links, quotes, none of that...speak from within....
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention.
No wonder no one wanted to participate in yours.
Thank you for demonstrating the hypocrisy that is known as MAGA.
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
Fascinating to watch a democrat sycophant that actively supports arresting political opposition and censoring free speech via corrupt lawfare ACT like they are the morally superior ones.
I blocked this thread instigator after he wrote 4 comments in a row on one of my poems politically arguing for leftist lies instead of commenting on the writing. Later he claimed, that was censoring his speech and declared hypocrisy ..Apparently anyone that is not pushing the establishment dogma is a hypocrite...
Name calling is not hypocrisy, it is rude, just as...
supporting authoritarians in America is not moral but rather evil...
Firstly, dictating "no name calling" in one place while calling names in another IS indeed hypocrisy. And there's no excuse for racist labels like "wet back".
Secondly, I'm unsure to whom you are addressing, Runaway, but I am a 'she' who has not commented on your poetry to my knowledge or memory. Being I have been here a decade there may have been a time early in my membership I did.
Thank you, too, for validating the knee-jerk false accusations of what is known as MAGA.
I blocked this thread instigator after he wrote 4 comments in a row on one of my poems politically arguing for leftist lies instead of commenting on the writing. Later he claimed, that was censoring his speech and declared hypocrisy ..Apparently anyone that is not pushing the establishment dogma is a hypocrite...
Name calling is not hypocrisy, it is rude, just as...
supporting authoritarians in America is not moral but rather evil...
Firstly, dictating "no name calling" in one place while calling names in another IS indeed hypocrisy. And there's no excuse for racist labels like "wet back".
Secondly, I'm unsure to whom you are addressing, Runaway, but I am a 'she' who has not commented on your poetry to my knowledge or memory. Being I have been here a decade there may have been a time early in my membership I did.
Thank you, too, for validating the knee-jerk false accusations of what is known as MAGA.
YOU: "Mysterious Lady: This is the opening post for your defunct attempt at a political thread:"
ME: Thats actually only your opinion, and like assholes, we all have one....sorry, next....
YOU "This is for intelligent chats only no matter what side. No name calling, no demeaning no disrespect...
Let discuss like true adults...there cannot be only one-sides forum chats....and no one sided long links, quotes, none of that...speak from within....
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
YOU :"It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention."
YOU: "No wonder no one wanted to participate in yours."
ME: Aw now it all makes sense, you are just here for the gratification of the comments. Everyone gets a trophy person, are you?
YOU: "Thank you for demonstrating the hypocrisy that is known as MAGA."
ME :Just the fact that you type " MAGA " makes me laugh, like huge belly laughs Its great, I love it.
YOU: If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
ME: Not a care of this one...
ME:
Once again, youre hilarious. The laughs were greatly welcomed.
Not being rude. You are in complete and utter control of your own feelings and how you take what you read by another member. If your offended, then scram....or dont create such threads that are so one sided, and you get enraged when someone with a brain doesnt agree with you. Freedom of speech dear. If anyone should know the rules on this one, I figured it would be you.
Im not sure you even realize whats happening and whats at stake with our country.....or you refuse to realize due to being blinded by all the copying and pasting of such ridiculousness. Instead of copying and pasting someone elses information, and long winded craziness, why dont you give your own thoughts, Real ones, like have you ever been to rally on either side, or have you ever been attacked by an immigrant, or helped one, or have volunteered on a campaign, have you done anything besides copy, paste, copy paste....Or is that too much for you?
And I have great control, dear. Youre the one that blocked me due to you cant handle being in a place where others can have different views. Youre the rude one here, not I said the fly. Yes I blocked yu back, I think out of pure childishness. There I admit I was weak in that moment. haha maybe you can laugh at that.
I could give 2 shits if not a soul went in my thread. Haven't even thought about it actually, until you brought it up. The only thing that matters about that thread is that YOU took the time to read it, copy from it and paste it here. And with anger. Maybe that was my reason for it., and you took the bait. I love it. lol
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
ME: Thats actually only your opinion, and like assholes, we all have one....sorry, next....
YOU "This is for intelligent chats only no matter what side. No name calling, no demeaning no disrespect...
Let discuss like true adults...there cannot be only one-sides forum chats....and no one sided long links, quotes, none of that...speak from within....
If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
YOU :"It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention."
YOU: "No wonder no one wanted to participate in yours."
ME: Aw now it all makes sense, you are just here for the gratification of the comments. Everyone gets a trophy person, are you?
YOU: "Thank you for demonstrating the hypocrisy that is known as MAGA."
ME :Just the fact that you type " MAGA " makes me laugh, like huge belly laughs Its great, I love it.
YOU: If you cannot control yourself, dont post here....
ME: Not a care of this one...
ME:
Once again, youre hilarious. The laughs were greatly welcomed.
Not being rude. You are in complete and utter control of your own feelings and how you take what you read by another member. If your offended, then scram....or dont create such threads that are so one sided, and you get enraged when someone with a brain doesnt agree with you. Freedom of speech dear. If anyone should know the rules on this one, I figured it would be you.
Im not sure you even realize whats happening and whats at stake with our country.....or you refuse to realize due to being blinded by all the copying and pasting of such ridiculousness. Instead of copying and pasting someone elses information, and long winded craziness, why dont you give your own thoughts, Real ones, like have you ever been to rally on either side, or have you ever been attacked by an immigrant, or helped one, or have volunteered on a campaign, have you done anything besides copy, paste, copy paste....Or is that too much for you?
And I have great control, dear. Youre the one that blocked me due to you cant handle being in a place where others can have different views. Youre the rude one here, not I said the fly. Yes I blocked yu back, I think out of pure childishness. There I admit I was weak in that moment. haha maybe you can laugh at that.
I could give 2 shits if not a soul went in my thread. Haven't even thought about it actually, until you brought it up. The only thing that matters about that thread is that YOU took the time to read it, copy from it and paste it here. And with anger. Maybe that was my reason for it., and you took the bait. I love it. lol
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
Firstly, dictating "no name calling" in one place while calling names in another IS indeed hypocrisy. And there's no excuse for racist labels like "wet back".
Secondly, I'm unsure to whom you are addressing, Runaway, but I am a 'she' who has not commented on your poetry to my knowledge or memory. Being I have been here a decade there may have been a time early in my membership I did.
Thank you, too, for validating the knee-jerk false accusations of what is known as MAGA.
I LOVE that you not only went to my thread, but keep quoting from it. Um, look here I am not a racist. You throw " MAGA" around like its cocaine from the 80s....just stop it I cannot take the belly laughs from you anymore....OMG LOL it hurts.....
Gotchya again A...all in good fun dear....
Secondly, I'm unsure to whom you are addressing, Runaway, but I am a 'she' who has not commented on your poetry to my knowledge or memory. Being I have been here a decade there may have been a time early in my membership I did.
Thank you, too, for validating the knee-jerk false accusations of what is known as MAGA.
I LOVE that you not only went to my thread, but keep quoting from it. Um, look here I am not a racist. You throw " MAGA" around like its cocaine from the 80s....just stop it I cannot take the belly laughs from you anymore....OMG LOL it hurts.....
Gotchya again A...all in good fun dear....
The more you know, the more you see,
and so lets take a look at the big OG -
back in the day.
(as I so soulfully can remember)
All undeniable history,
for the logical, and rational poet practitioner.
(222) Inside President Donald Trump's Grudge With The NFL | Morning Joe | MSNBC - YouTube
GO!!! CHIEFS!!!!
and so lets take a look at the big OG -
back in the day.
(as I so soulfully can remember)
All undeniable history,
for the logical, and rational poet practitioner.
(222) Inside President Donald Trump's Grudge With The NFL | Morning Joe | MSNBC - YouTube
GO!!! CHIEFS!!!!
The previous page's bullshit ( excluding Pishashee & ajay ) aside for a moment ( I will get to it ): Last night I took the time to read the hundreds of pages report by Special Council Robert Hurr in regard to President Biden's handling of classified documents. If anyone else would like to read it, it's here ( just scroll down ):
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24414122-report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024
The conclusion: “We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.”
I would've been the FIRST to have said "If he's guilty then he deserves to be prosecuted." But, he's not. What happened instead?
Take it from here, Heather:
February 9, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 10, 2024
Yesterday, Special Counsel Robert Hur, appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in January 2023 to investigate President Joe Biden’s handling of classified documents before he was president, released his report. It begins: “We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.” The Department of Justice closed a similar case against former Vice President Mike Pence on June 1, 2023, days before Pence announced his presidential bid, with a brief, one-page letter.
But in Biden’s case, what followed the announcement that he had not broken a law was more than 300 pages of commentary, including assertions that Biden was old, infirm, and losing his marbles and even that “[h]e did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died” (p. 208).
As television host and former Republican representative from Florida Joe Scarborough put it: “He couldn’t indict Biden legally so he tried to indict Biden politically.”
Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and their teams came out swinging against what amounted to a partisan hit job by a Republican special counsel. The president’s lawyers noted that it is not Department of Justice practice and protocol to criticize someone who is not going to be charged, and tore apart Hur’s nine references to Biden’s memory in contrast to his willingness to “accept…other witnesses’ memory loss as completely understandable given the passage of time.”
They pointed out that “there is ample evidence from your interview that the President did well in answering your questions about years-old events over the course of five hours. This is especially true under the circumstances, which you do not mention in your report, that his interview began the day after the October 7 attacks on Israel. In the lead up to the interview, the President was conducting calls with heads of state, Cabinet members, members of Congress, and meeting repeatedly with his national security team.”
Nonetheless, they note, Biden provided “often detailed recollections across a wide range of questions, from staff management of paper flow in the West Wing to the events surrounding the creation of the 2009 memorandum on the Afghanistan surge. He engaged at length on theories you offered about the way materials were packed and moved during the transition out of the vice presidency and between residences. He pointed to flaws in the assumptions behind specific lines of questioning.”
They were not alone in their criticism. Others pointed out that Republicans have made Biden’s age a central point of attack, but Politico reported last October that while former House speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was publicly mocking Biden’s age and mental fitness, he was “privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations.” Dan Pfeiffer of Pod Save America and Message Box noted that the report’s “characterizations of Biden don't match those relayed by everyone who talks to him, including [Republicans].”
He explained: “There are few secrets in [Washington], and if Joe Biden acted like Hur says, we would all know. Biden meets with dozens of people daily—staffers, members of Congress, CEOs, labor officials, foreign leaders, and military and intelligence officials…. If Biden was regularly misremembering obvious pieces of information or making other mistakes that suggested he was not up to the job, it would be in the press. Washington is not capable of keeping something like that secret."
But the media ran not with the official takeaway of the investigation—that Biden had not committed a crime—or with a reflection on the accuracy or partisan reason for Hur’s commentary, but with Hur’s insinuations. Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo noted that the New York Times today ran five front-page stories above the fold about the report and Biden’s memory.
Matt Gertz of Media Matters collected some of the day’s headlines: “Eight Words and a Verbal Slip Put Biden’s Age Back at the Center of 2024 (New York Times); “1 Big thing: Report Questions Biden’s memory (Axios)”; “Biden tries to lay to rest age concerns, but may have exacerbated them” (CNN); “Biden disputes special counsel findings, insists his memory is fine” (CBS News); “Age isn’t just a number. It’s a profound and growing problem for Biden” (Politico); and so on.
As far back as 1950, when Senator Joe McCarthy (R-WI) insisted—without evidence—that the Department of State under Democratic president Harry Truman had been infiltrated by Communists, Republicans have used official investigations to smear their opponents. State Department officials condemned McCarthy’s “Sewer Politics” and the New York Times complained about his “hit-and-run” attacks, but McCarthy’s outrageous statements and hearings kept his accusations in the news. That media coverage, in turn, convinced many Americans that his charges were true.
Other Republicans finally rejected McCarthy, but in 1996, congressional Republicans frustrated by the election of Democratic president Bill Clinton in 1992 and the Democrats’ subsequent expansion of the vote with the so-called Motor Voter law in 1993 resurrected his tactics. They launched investigations into two elections they insisted the Democrats had stolen. They discovered no fraud, but their investigation convinced a number of Americans that voter fraud was a serious problem.
There were ten investigations into the 2012 attack on two U.S. government facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in which four Americans were killed and several others wounded; Republican-dominated House committees held six of them. Kevin McCarthy bragged to Fox News personality Sean Hannity that the Benghazi special committee was part of a “strategy to fight and win” against then–Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Cont below
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24414122-report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024
The conclusion: “We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.”
I would've been the FIRST to have said "If he's guilty then he deserves to be prosecuted." But, he's not. What happened instead?
Take it from here, Heather:
February 9, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 10, 2024
Yesterday, Special Counsel Robert Hur, appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland in January 2023 to investigate President Joe Biden’s handling of classified documents before he was president, released his report. It begins: “We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. We would reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose criminal charges against a sitting president.” The Department of Justice closed a similar case against former Vice President Mike Pence on June 1, 2023, days before Pence announced his presidential bid, with a brief, one-page letter.
But in Biden’s case, what followed the announcement that he had not broken a law was more than 300 pages of commentary, including assertions that Biden was old, infirm, and losing his marbles and even that “[h]e did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died” (p. 208).
As television host and former Republican representative from Florida Joe Scarborough put it: “He couldn’t indict Biden legally so he tried to indict Biden politically.”
Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and their teams came out swinging against what amounted to a partisan hit job by a Republican special counsel. The president’s lawyers noted that it is not Department of Justice practice and protocol to criticize someone who is not going to be charged, and tore apart Hur’s nine references to Biden’s memory in contrast to his willingness to “accept…other witnesses’ memory loss as completely understandable given the passage of time.”
They pointed out that “there is ample evidence from your interview that the President did well in answering your questions about years-old events over the course of five hours. This is especially true under the circumstances, which you do not mention in your report, that his interview began the day after the October 7 attacks on Israel. In the lead up to the interview, the President was conducting calls with heads of state, Cabinet members, members of Congress, and meeting repeatedly with his national security team.”
Nonetheless, they note, Biden provided “often detailed recollections across a wide range of questions, from staff management of paper flow in the West Wing to the events surrounding the creation of the 2009 memorandum on the Afghanistan surge. He engaged at length on theories you offered about the way materials were packed and moved during the transition out of the vice presidency and between residences. He pointed to flaws in the assumptions behind specific lines of questioning.”
They were not alone in their criticism. Others pointed out that Republicans have made Biden’s age a central point of attack, but Politico reported last October that while former House speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was publicly mocking Biden’s age and mental fitness, he was “privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations.” Dan Pfeiffer of Pod Save America and Message Box noted that the report’s “characterizations of Biden don't match those relayed by everyone who talks to him, including [Republicans].”
He explained: “There are few secrets in [Washington], and if Joe Biden acted like Hur says, we would all know. Biden meets with dozens of people daily—staffers, members of Congress, CEOs, labor officials, foreign leaders, and military and intelligence officials…. If Biden was regularly misremembering obvious pieces of information or making other mistakes that suggested he was not up to the job, it would be in the press. Washington is not capable of keeping something like that secret."
But the media ran not with the official takeaway of the investigation—that Biden had not committed a crime—or with a reflection on the accuracy or partisan reason for Hur’s commentary, but with Hur’s insinuations. Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo noted that the New York Times today ran five front-page stories above the fold about the report and Biden’s memory.
Matt Gertz of Media Matters collected some of the day’s headlines: “Eight Words and a Verbal Slip Put Biden’s Age Back at the Center of 2024 (New York Times); “1 Big thing: Report Questions Biden’s memory (Axios)”; “Biden tries to lay to rest age concerns, but may have exacerbated them” (CNN); “Biden disputes special counsel findings, insists his memory is fine” (CBS News); “Age isn’t just a number. It’s a profound and growing problem for Biden” (Politico); and so on.
As far back as 1950, when Senator Joe McCarthy (R-WI) insisted—without evidence—that the Department of State under Democratic president Harry Truman had been infiltrated by Communists, Republicans have used official investigations to smear their opponents. State Department officials condemned McCarthy’s “Sewer Politics” and the New York Times complained about his “hit-and-run” attacks, but McCarthy’s outrageous statements and hearings kept his accusations in the news. That media coverage, in turn, convinced many Americans that his charges were true.
Other Republicans finally rejected McCarthy, but in 1996, congressional Republicans frustrated by the election of Democratic president Bill Clinton in 1992 and the Democrats’ subsequent expansion of the vote with the so-called Motor Voter law in 1993 resurrected his tactics. They launched investigations into two elections they insisted the Democrats had stolen. They discovered no fraud, but their investigation convinced a number of Americans that voter fraud was a serious problem.
There were ten investigations into the 2012 attack on two U.S. government facilities in Benghazi, Libya, in which four Americans were killed and several others wounded; Republican-dominated House committees held six of them. Kevin McCarthy bragged to Fox News personality Sean Hannity that the Benghazi special committee was part of a “strategy to fight and win” against then–Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Cont below
Cont from above:
The strategy of weaponizing investigations went on to be central to the 2016 election, when Trump ran on the investigation of Clinton’s email practices, and to the 2020 election, when Trump tried to weaken Biden’s candidacy by trying to force Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky to say that Ukraine was opening an investigation into Hunter Biden and the company he worked for.
Going into 2024, the House is investigating Hunter Biden, and while witness testimony and evidence has not supported their contention that President Biden is corrupt, the stench of the hearings has convinced a number of MAGA voters of the opposite.
And now the media appears to be falling for this strategy yet again.
Political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen outlined how Biden’s performance disproves the argument that he is unfit for the presidency: “The thing about Biden’s memory,” Cohen wrote, “is that he’s presided over the addition of ~15 million jobs & 800k manufacturing jobs, 23 straight months of sub-4% unemployment, surging consumer sentiment, wages outpacing inflation, the American Rescue Plan, Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPs Act, PACT Act, infrastructure law, gun safety law, VAWA, codified marriage equality, canceled $136 billion in student loan debt for 3.7 million borrowers, bolstered NATO, and presided over electoral wins in ‘20, ‘22 and ‘23.”
Political strategist Simon Rosenberg had his own take: “As we end this crazy week I am struck that somehow the claim that Biden's memory is faulty has gotten more attention than a jury confirming that Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in a department store dressing room.”
It may be, though, that the report has been a game changer in a different way than Hur intended it. Hur’s suggestion that Biden does not remember when his son died seems to echo the moment in the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings in which Senator McCarthy was trying to prove that the U.S. Army had been infiltrated by Communists. Sensing himself losing, McCarthy attacked on national television a young aide of Joseph Nye Welch, the lawyer defending the Army.
“Have you no sense of decency, sir?” Welch demanded. “At long last, have you left no sense of decency?” McCarthy didn’t, but Americans did, and they finally threw him off the public stage.
Biden supporters took their gloves off today, producing videos of Trump’s incoherence, gaffes, and wandering off stages, and noting that he mistook writer E. Jean Carroll, whom he sexually assaulted, for his second wife, Marla Maples, when asked to identify Carroll in a photograph. They also produced clips of Fox News Channel personalities Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters messing up names themselves on screen, and gaffes from Republican lawmakers.
Senior communications advisor for the Biden-Harris campaign T.J. Ducklo released a statement lambasting Trump for a speech he gave tonight in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, saying: “Tonight, he lied more than two dozen times, slurred his words, confused basic facts, and placated the gun lobby weeks after telling parents to ‘get over it’ after their kids were gunned down at school. But you won’t hear about any of it if you watch cable news, read this weekend’s papers, or watch the Sunday shows.”
But it was Biden who responded most powerfully. “There’s even a reference that I don’t remember when my son died,” he told reporters. “How in the hell dare he raise that…. I don’t need anyone to remind me when he passed away.” And when asked about Hur’s dismissal of him as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Biden responded with justified anger: “I am well-meaning, and I’m an elderly man, and I know what the hell I’m doing. I’ve been President. I put this country back on its feet.”
—
Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-9-2024
The strategy of weaponizing investigations went on to be central to the 2016 election, when Trump ran on the investigation of Clinton’s email practices, and to the 2020 election, when Trump tried to weaken Biden’s candidacy by trying to force Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky to say that Ukraine was opening an investigation into Hunter Biden and the company he worked for.
Going into 2024, the House is investigating Hunter Biden, and while witness testimony and evidence has not supported their contention that President Biden is corrupt, the stench of the hearings has convinced a number of MAGA voters of the opposite.
And now the media appears to be falling for this strategy yet again.
Political commentator Brian Tyler Cohen outlined how Biden’s performance disproves the argument that he is unfit for the presidency: “The thing about Biden’s memory,” Cohen wrote, “is that he’s presided over the addition of ~15 million jobs & 800k manufacturing jobs, 23 straight months of sub-4% unemployment, surging consumer sentiment, wages outpacing inflation, the American Rescue Plan, Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPs Act, PACT Act, infrastructure law, gun safety law, VAWA, codified marriage equality, canceled $136 billion in student loan debt for 3.7 million borrowers, bolstered NATO, and presided over electoral wins in ‘20, ‘22 and ‘23.”
Political strategist Simon Rosenberg had his own take: “As we end this crazy week I am struck that somehow the claim that Biden's memory is faulty has gotten more attention than a jury confirming that Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in a department store dressing room.”
It may be, though, that the report has been a game changer in a different way than Hur intended it. Hur’s suggestion that Biden does not remember when his son died seems to echo the moment in the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings in which Senator McCarthy was trying to prove that the U.S. Army had been infiltrated by Communists. Sensing himself losing, McCarthy attacked on national television a young aide of Joseph Nye Welch, the lawyer defending the Army.
“Have you no sense of decency, sir?” Welch demanded. “At long last, have you left no sense of decency?” McCarthy didn’t, but Americans did, and they finally threw him off the public stage.
Biden supporters took their gloves off today, producing videos of Trump’s incoherence, gaffes, and wandering off stages, and noting that he mistook writer E. Jean Carroll, whom he sexually assaulted, for his second wife, Marla Maples, when asked to identify Carroll in a photograph. They also produced clips of Fox News Channel personalities Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters messing up names themselves on screen, and gaffes from Republican lawmakers.
Senior communications advisor for the Biden-Harris campaign T.J. Ducklo released a statement lambasting Trump for a speech he gave tonight in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, saying: “Tonight, he lied more than two dozen times, slurred his words, confused basic facts, and placated the gun lobby weeks after telling parents to ‘get over it’ after their kids were gunned down at school. But you won’t hear about any of it if you watch cable news, read this weekend’s papers, or watch the Sunday shows.”
But it was Biden who responded most powerfully. “There’s even a reference that I don’t remember when my son died,” he told reporters. “How in the hell dare he raise that…. I don’t need anyone to remind me when he passed away.” And when asked about Hur’s dismissal of him as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Biden responded with justified anger: “I am well-meaning, and I’m an elderly man, and I know what the hell I’m doing. I’ve been President. I put this country back on its feet.”
—
Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-9-2024
Mysterious Lady:
[MysteriousLady] I could give 2 shits if not a soul went in my thread. Haven't even thought about it actually, until you brought it up. The only thing that matters about that thread is that YOU took the time to read it, copy from it and paste it here. And with anger. Maybe that was my reason for it., and you took the bait. I love it. lol[ . . . ]
Firstly, You can't "get" someone who "knows" you're vying for their attention through lower vibrational actions ( much like a child whose behavior you accused others of) such as "baiting" ( which you fully admit ).
All I asked was:
It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention.
Secondly, Regardless of your intentions to "bait" me with your thread, my intentions were honorable and willing to participate on the grounds of reason until I saw the hypocrisy of your post. Not only did I read it, I actually responded, reminding you of the guidelines of the speakeasy thread because you were harping that this is a poetry not political site ( thank you, Daisy, for setting things straight about Poetry and Politics ):
Speakeasy Forum
Think big, talk small.
General chat forum for discussions not related to poetry or writing. [ . . . ]
Lastly, nothing you have said has disproven the hypocritical actions you have demonstrated in this thread. You have admitted to intentionally "baiting" me, the definition of which is used to form nouns and adjectives that describe the act of intentionally trying to make a particular person or group of people angry by saying things to annoy, offend, or criticize them:
By your own words you have admitted to violating the guidelines of this site, which state:
You may not post obscene, degrading, harassing or humiliating User Content on the Site. You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website.
Fortunately, I can see your actions for what they are and am familiar with your intentions and subsequent tactics. I requested you honor the same behavior you expect in your own thread in this one, which you have not done.
This is my thread and I'll post what I consider the truth, that includes Heather Cox Richardson, a renowned historian and college professor. As I said in my response to your inappropriate reply to one of my poems ( 2024 if anyone is interested in seeing the full reply ):
[ . . . ] I view these personal profiles our homes and am very respectful while in them. Something you obviously lack. So, to prevent you from further embarrassing yourself with tactless behaviour, I feel its best to block you.
I have no doubt, given your past pattern of behaviour, that such will only increase during the 2024 election year.You're welcome in my forum threads and competitions; however, this place is my personal space, and being I've never mentioned Biden or any other candidate, you'll not be mentioning Trump again.
I was irrefutably right about your continued pattern of behaviour. As stated above, you are more than welcome to post in this thread; however, violating site guidelines or deliberately self-admitted baiting will be henceforth reported.
Now, you've had enough attention, from me at least. Any further attempts at "baiting" for personal attention will be ignored going forward.
[MysteriousLady] I could give 2 shits if not a soul went in my thread. Haven't even thought about it actually, until you brought it up. The only thing that matters about that thread is that YOU took the time to read it, copy from it and paste it here. And with anger. Maybe that was my reason for it., and you took the bait. I love it. lol[ . . . ]
Firstly, You can't "get" someone who "knows" you're vying for their attention through lower vibrational actions ( much like a child whose behavior you accused others of) such as "baiting" ( which you fully admit ).
All I asked was:
It would be nice if you could follow the rules set forth in your own political thread in regard to acting like an adult. So far in this thread you have referred some participants as unintelligent, rude *cough*, unfair, childish who need to grow up, admitted to being disrespectful to another participant, "however, it's ok", and used a racist term "wet back" to refer to Mexicans, as well as belittling my posts to garner attention.
Secondly, Regardless of your intentions to "bait" me with your thread, my intentions were honorable and willing to participate on the grounds of reason until I saw the hypocrisy of your post. Not only did I read it, I actually responded, reminding you of the guidelines of the speakeasy thread because you were harping that this is a poetry not political site ( thank you, Daisy, for setting things straight about Poetry and Politics ):
Speakeasy Forum
Think big, talk small.
General chat forum for discussions not related to poetry or writing. [ . . . ]
Lastly, nothing you have said has disproven the hypocritical actions you have demonstrated in this thread. You have admitted to intentionally "baiting" me, the definition of which is used to form nouns and adjectives that describe the act of intentionally trying to make a particular person or group of people angry by saying things to annoy, offend, or criticize them:
By your own words you have admitted to violating the guidelines of this site, which state:
You may not post obscene, degrading, harassing or humiliating User Content on the Site. You may not post or transmit any false, defamatory, abusive, threatening or illegal User Content or User Content that infringes on the rights of others or the ability of others to enjoy this website.
Fortunately, I can see your actions for what they are and am familiar with your intentions and subsequent tactics. I requested you honor the same behavior you expect in your own thread in this one, which you have not done.
This is my thread and I'll post what I consider the truth, that includes Heather Cox Richardson, a renowned historian and college professor. As I said in my response to your inappropriate reply to one of my poems ( 2024 if anyone is interested in seeing the full reply ):
[ . . . ] I view these personal profiles our homes and am very respectful while in them. Something you obviously lack. So, to prevent you from further embarrassing yourself with tactless behaviour, I feel its best to block you.
I have no doubt, given your past pattern of behaviour, that such will only increase during the 2024 election year.You're welcome in my forum threads and competitions; however, this place is my personal space, and being I've never mentioned Biden or any other candidate, you'll not be mentioning Trump again.
I was irrefutably right about your continued pattern of behaviour. As stated above, you are more than welcome to post in this thread; however, violating site guidelines or deliberately self-admitted baiting will be henceforth reported.
Now, you've had enough attention, from me at least. Any further attempts at "baiting" for personal attention will be ignored going forward.
