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lepperochan said:No doubt "fuck America" is crude, and somewhat offensive. and possibly sheeple too. It is, however on some level warranted. I've said on many occasion my opinion of administration isn't a judgment of the people

What gets me is the judgment on the U.S. when those judging us are from countries who have given just as much ( when taking size into proportion ) as we have.

Ireland exported more than half a billion euro worth of products to Israel last year and almost €65 million in January alone this year, according to newly released information.

The largest valued group of goods was “chemicals and related products” which accounted for €264.6 million last year and €31.24 million in January this year.

This was followed by machinery and transport equipment worth almost €185 million last year to Irish businesses and €24.2 million in January. Food and live animal exports were the third most valuable category, worth €31.93 million in 2023 and just over €5 million in January.

Exports under a total of nine different categories also included “miscellaneous manufactured articles” (€25.55 million in 2023 and €1.94 million in January), “manufactured goods classified chiefly by material” (€6.25 million and €496,000 respectively), beverages and tobacco (€3.1 million and €350,000), mineral fuels and lubricants (€3.058 million and €222,000).


https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/04/15/ireland-exported-more-than-half-a-billion-euro-worth-of-goods-to-israel-last-year/

I think, and I could be wrong, but I think social media is so weaponized at this stage stirring a crowd up is childs-play. It is not simply American. It is a world wide phenomenon, but there have been waves of discontent: #MeToo, BlackLives matter, the storming of government buildings etc

I don't believe in the destruction of any property regardless of who is protesting. That being said - Protests are very different than attempting to overthrow the government, which is what the January 06 insurrection was. It wasn't a protest - it was an insurrection. Oh, excuse me, a "Day of Love" according to Trump.

at this stage the focus is on Palestine. when the election is over not many people are going to care. if I'm wrong come February I'm happy to be called out

I agree regarding the Palestinian focus - I've made my position on that very clear by supporting a two-state for years. But this thread is clearly titled toward Biden - rather than Harris, who has no power in regard to presidential decisions or actions.

To attack her while she is in a powerless position in attempts to prevent her from rising to power is a patriarchal move. The triggermen are being ignored. Netanyahu is being ignored, Putin is being ignored, Ukraine is being ignored, Zelinsky is being ignored, Trump, who has told Putin to do whatever the hell he wanted and told Netanyahu to do what he must, is being ignored - it's Harris' face being plastered everywhere with in regard to the genocide in Palestine as though she was totally responsible.

It's a dick move, imho.

anyhow, I had a grand vision everyone would unite for a couple of pages and beat me down.

"Enlighten yourself" seems appropriate to me. I don't generally talk about it but again I'm happy to have a grown up conversation about it. It is probably one of the more interesting stories of the North Atlantic.


I feel like he was honestly asking for you to clarify your meaning, which is why I was shocked when you responded the way you did.

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Thanks for the recommendation. Anything by Llywelyn is typically very good and spot on. I purchase astrology books through them regularly.

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"What gets me is the judgment on the U.S. when those judging us are from countries who have given just as much ( when taking size into proportion ) as we have."

What you are talking about there are transactions: exports and imports. not free aid and weapons. there is no real comparison.

Our government have been steadfast in their condemnation of Israeli. It was indeed the Irish and Spanish, and Norway governments who recognised the state of Palestine

So, no. try again


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For the Brunson case:  it was not whether or not the election was stolen, it was that the civil rights of the Brunson brothers, per the Constitution were violated, by the refusal to investigate the CLAIM that the election had been stolen.  It should have been turned back on the states to recount, etc.  There was video evidence of people stuffing ballot machines and election day is one day--not a few weeks before and a few weeks after like what's going on in recent times .

I recall as a child and younger adult, that you went to vote on election day and by midnight, everyone had their answer.   Done.  Why so much dragging it out nowadays?  Ever watch the documentary 2000 Mules?

Kamala-- during her tenure as VP, she was in charge of the border.  Why are we still having problems down there, people flooding in without going through the proper process?

If she's such a great presidential candidate, then that concerns me, that she hasn't even done her job that she's been tasked with as VP.

If Kamala was going to fix our country, don't you think she had plenty of time to show how she can do that, during her term as VP?

Likewise for all the Trump haters, if Trump was going to destroy our country, don't you think he would have done it during his first term as President?

Here's a list of Kamala's accomplishments as VP and it looks to me like the author was grasping a bit to come up with something to add to the list:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/kamala-harris-achievements-as-vice-president

^^most of that does nothing to better our country as a whole, and panders to certain groups of people, some of whom are in foreign countries.



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lepperochan said:

Our government have been steadfast in their condemnation of Israeli. It was indeed the Irish and Spanish, and Norway governments who recognised the state of Palestine

So, no. try again



Good points, Lepp 👍

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/23/news/ireland_s_support_for_palestine_an_explainer-3720414/


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lepperochan said:"What gets me is the judgment on the U.S. when those judging us are from countries who have given just as much ( when taking size into proportion ) as we have."

What you are talking about there are transactions: exports and imports. not free aid and weapons. there is no real comparison.

Our government have been steadfast in their condemnation of Israeli. It was indeed the Irish and Spanish, and Norway governments who recognized the state of Palestine

So, no. try again



I don't have to try again. Importing and exporting is supporting another country's needs. I was under the impression ( or so I read ) that the Irish government didn't announce the recognition of the State of Palestine until May 28th of this year. Am I wrong? Is or was Shannon airport not being used to transport weaponry from the U.S. to Israel?

I admire Ireland's support of a two-state ( I've been screaming it for years ) and of Palestine. But what you didn't note was who I labeled the true enemy here: Religion. Isn't that why Israel exists to begin with? Wasn't it religion that uprooted Palestine the same way that religion uprooted the Native Americans here?  Or that a woman who has no power ( yet ) is being attacked and blamed for this genocide.

Even Al Jazeera reported she is trying, within her limits,

On Sunday, US Vice President Kamala Harris delivered the sternest statement yet on the war’s toll, marking a shift in rhetoric within the administration of President Joe Biden. An estimated 30,800 Palestinians have been killed, with more at risk of malnutrition and starvation.

“People in Gaza are starving. The conditions are inhumane, and our common humanity compels us to act,” Harris said. “The Israeli government must do more to significantly increase the flow of aid — no excuses.”


Harris supports Israel's right to defend itself just as the U.S. would; however, she doesn't support the genocide of Palestine. Having no power, what else can she do right now?

Except be blamed for genocide and attacked through dick moves by the patriarchy.




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MadameLavender said:For the Brunson case:  it was not whether or not the election was stolen, it was that the civil rights of the Brunson brothers, per the Constitution were violated, by the refusal to investigate the CLAIM that the election had been stolen.  It should have been turned back on the states to recount, etc.  There was video evidence of people stuffing ballot machines and election day is one day--not a few weeks before and a few weeks after like what's going on in recent times .

I recall as a child and younger adult, that you went to vote on election day and by midnight, everyone had their answer.   Done.  Why so much dragging it out nowadays?  Ever watch the documentary 2000 Mules?

Kamala-- during her tenure as VP, she was in charge of the border.  Why are we still having problems down there, people flooding in without going through the proper process?

If she's such a great presidential candidate, then that concerns me, that she hasn't even done her job that she's been tasked with as VP.

If Kamala was going to fix our country, don't you think she had plenty of time to show how she can do that, during her term as VP?

Likewise for all the Trump haters, if Trump was going to destroy our country, don't you think he would have done it during his first term as President?

Here's a list of Kamala's accomplishments as VP and it looks to me like the author was grasping a bit to come up with something to add to the list:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/kamala-harris-achievements-as-vice-president

^^most of that does nothing to better our country as a whole, and panders to certain groups of people, some of whom are in foreign countries.



Okay, first, let me provide the VP's responsibilities:

The Vice President

The Constitution names the vice president of the United States as the president of the Senate. In addition to serving as presiding officer, the vice president has the sole power to break a tie vote in the Senate and formally presides over the receiving and counting of electoral ballots cast in presidential elections.


Other than the above, Harris has NO POWER to FIX THIS COUNTRY outside of the President Biden's direction. I don't know how many times I have to say that. If Biden was still in the race, her name wouldn't even be mentioned.

In 2021, she was tasked with focusing on solutions for the root cause of the border crisis in the Northern Triangle, i.e. - El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala*.

Here is what she was able to do:

The White House said in March that Harris helped engineer $4 billion in government aid and commitments of $5.2 billion in private investment to create or support an estimated 250,000 jobs in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

Nespresso started sourcing coffee from El Salvador and Honduras in 2021. Gap Inc said it is on pace to meet a pledge to invest $150 million by 2025 to source textiles in the region and that it had increased yarn production in Guatemala and provided skills training to women in Guatemala and Honduras.

Ricardo Barrientos, director of the Central American Institute of Fiscal Studies think tank, said the U.S. aid and private sector investment was a fraction of the remittances migrants from the three countries working in the U.S. send home each year – $37 billion last year alone.

By May, the number of migrants from the Northern Triangle caught crossing illegally had fallen to 25,000 from a peak of 90,000 in July 2021 - although experts say the impact of Harris' efforts remain unclear.

She made two trips to Central America: Guatemala in June 2021 and Honduras in January 2022. That was one fewer than Biden, who made three trips to Guatemala after he was assigned a similar role in 2014.

She made her first and only visit to U.S. border in June 2021 ( and another after ), where she defended her portfolio.

"The reality of it is that we have to deal with causes, and we have to deal with the effects," she told reporters at the airport.

She was charged with the Northern Triangle - and the Northern Triangle is what she focused on and accomplished some astonishing feats, though MAGA will claim she did nothing.

Daniel Suvor, Harris' chief of policy between 2014 and 2017 when she was California attorney general, pointed to her efforts to marshal legal representation for unaccompanied immigrant children - even though immigration was not explicitly part of her portfolio.

She took it on herself to learn about the application process for special visas for victims of abuse, Suvor said. And she teamed up with Brad Smith, then the general counsel for Microsoft and co-founder of the advocacy group Kids in Need of Defense and started calling law firms.

Harris is a remarkable VP and will make a formidable President of the U.S. if given a chance.

Now what the hell has Trump done about the border crisis except KILL a BIPARTISAN Border Bill so he could campaign on the issue of immigration.

I'm waiting.

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MadameLavender said:For the Brunson case:  it was not whether or not the election was stolen, it was that the civil rights of the Brunson brothers, per the Constitution were violated, by the refusal to investigate the CLAIM that the election had been stolen.  It should have been turned back on the states to recount, etc.  There was video evidence of people stuffing ballot machines and election day is one day--not a few weeks before and a few weeks after like what's going on in recent times .

I recall as a child and younger adult, that you went to vote on election day and by midnight, everyone had their answer.   Done.  Why so much dragging it out nowadays?  Ever watch the documentary 2000 Mules?[/b]


I'm going to repeat this because it's still applicable. YOU say there's video - yet, even Trump's OWN attorney found no evidence. Nor any local or federal court found any evidence. Nor did SCOTUS. Even if it HAD been sent back to the states, per the law, they had no recourse to change the election results.

Look, four years later and the "Big Lie" is still circulating. Trump’s OWN former attorney general, William Barr, found no evidence of widespread election fraud. Trump’s allegations of massive voting fraud also have been dismissed by a succession of judges and refuted by state election officials and an arm of his own administration’s Homeland Security Department.

No case has established irregularities of a scale that would have changed the outcome. Pence had no path for avoiding his pro forma certification of Biden as the next president and Kamala Harris as vice president.

Nor did state legislatures have recourse in changing the election result. The Constitution gives state legislatures a role in the process of selecting a president by determining the “manner” in which presidential electors are appointed to the Electoral College. States did that, by passing laws specifying how electors would be chosen and then by certifying their election results in early December.

The only roll congress was required was to count the valid electoral college votes submitted by the state. Which it did.

What the Brunson brothers attempted was outside of the scope of law, and not much different from what Trump expected Pence to do - invalid the votes and send them back to the states - which legally he could not legally do.

If there had been ANY validation to their claims within the legal scope of the law, SCOTUS would've taken it up. Instead, the liberal judges abstained, and the majority of conservative judges declined to hear the case based on lack of merit.

I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that. It's the law. Per the Constitution, the federal government doesn't have the power to overturn election results certified by the states and the states have no recourse to change the outcome of an election.

I'll trust the courts, packed with both Democratic and Republican judges who dismissed their suit. You can continue to believe the "Big Lie" until the day you die. It will always be the "Big Lie".

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Meanwhile, as Kamala Harris abandons serious politics, choosing instead to dance with Bruce, sing with Beyonce and get a pat on the bum from Obama – and who needs policies when you're getting a pat on the bum from Obama? Right, girls? – the 'Ironclad' support she and her Democrats continue to give the Israeli madbastard Netanyahu ensures that the horrific slaughter of Arabs in Gaza goes on.


DOZENS KILLED IN 'HORRIFIC' ISRAELI BOMBING IN Beit LAHIYA: Gaza ministry

Israeli air strikes have hit densely populated area in northern Gaza with no warning, killing at least 35 Palestinians.

Dozens of Palestinians have been killed after an Israeli strike destroyed several buildings in a residential area of Beit Lahiya in besieged northern Gaza, with the Health Ministry describing it as a “horrific massacre”.

According to witnesses and medical sources, at least 35 people were killed on Saturday evening with dozens more wounded, Al Jazeera’s Tareq Abu Azzoum said, reporting from central Gaza.

Local media reports said civil defence crews were not able to reach the site because of Israeli fire.

Abu Azzoum said multiple air strikes hit the densely populated area with no warnings given.

“People are trying to recover victims from under the rubble because civil defence rescuers are unable to reach the scene after first responders were targeted by Israeli forces earlier today,” he said.

“Beit Lahiya and Jabalia are considered to be the two main key urban centres in northern Gaza, and displaced families from other parts of Gaza have come to take refuge in shelters there. They’ve both been under heavy attack for more than three weeks now.”

Palestinian Wafa news agency reported that many of the killed and injured are children, women and the elderly.

Rescue efforts are being hampered due to a lack of ambulances and civil defence services, as Israeli forces have blocked access to the area, it said.

The air strike targeted at least five homes near the western roundabout in Beit Lahiya, belonging to the Abu Shdaq, Al-Masri, and Salman families, Wafa said.

Northern Gaza has been under a three-week ground assault by Israeli forces who are forcibly displacing tens of thousands of residents out of the area.

The Health Ministry reported that Israeli military strikes on Jabalia, Beit Hanoon, and Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza have killed approximately 800 people over the course of a three-week offensive.

The Israeli forces withdrew from Kamal Adwan Hospital on Saturday, leaving a trail of destruction. At least 30 medical staff have been abducted and the hospital building has suffered widespread damage.

On Friday, the UN special rapporteur on health used a new term – medicide – to describe the widespread and systematic attacks by Israel on healthcare workers and facilities.

Al Jazeera
26 Oct 2024

Source:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/26/dozens-killed-in-horrific-israeli-bombing-in-beit-lahiya-gaza-ministry

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Ahavati said:

Other than the above, Harris has NO POWER to FIX THIS COUNTRY outside of the President Biden's direction. I don't know how many times I have to say that. If Biden was still in the race, her name wouldn't even be mentioned.

In 2021, she was tasked with focusing on solutions for the root cause of the border crisis in the Northern Triangle, i.e. - El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala*.

Here is what she was able to do:

The White House said in March that Harris helped engineer $4 billion in government aid and commitments of $5.2 billion in private investment to create or support an estimated 250,000 jobs in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

Nespresso started sourcing coffee from El Salvador and Honduras in 2021. Gap Inc said it is on pace to meet a pledge to invest $150 million by 2025 to source textiles in the region and that it had increased yarn production in Guatemala and provided skills training to women in Guatemala and Honduras.

Ricardo Barrientos, director of the Central American Institute of Fiscal Studies think tank, said the U.S. aid and private sector investment was a fraction of the remittances migrants from the three countries working in the U.S. send home each year – $37 billion last year alone.

By May, the number of migrants from the Northern Triangle caught crossing illegally had fallen to 25,000 from a peak of 90,000 in July 2021 - although experts say the impact of Harris' efforts remain unclear.

She made two trips to Central America: Guatemala in June 2021 and Honduras in January 2022. That was one fewer than Biden, who made three trips to Guatemala after he was assigned a similar role in 2014.

She made her first and only visit to U.S. border in June 2021 ( and another after ), where she defended her portfolio.

"The reality of it is that we have to deal with causes, and we have to deal with the effects," she told reporters at the airport.

She was charged with the Northern Triangle - and the Northern Triangle is what she focused on and accomplished some astonishing feats, though MAGA will claim she did nothing.

Daniel Suvor, Harris' chief of policy between 2014 and 2017 when she was California attorney general, pointed to her efforts to marshal legal representation for unaccompanied immigrant children - even though immigration was not explicitly part of her portfolio.

She took it on herself to learn about the application process for special visas for victims of abuse, Suvor said. And she teamed up with Brad Smith, then the general counsel for Microsoft and co-founder of the advocacy group Kids in Need of Defense and started calling law firms.

Harris is a remarkable VP and will make a formidable President of the U.S. if given a chance.

Now what the hell has Trump done about the border crisis except KILL a BIPARTISAN Border Bill so he could campaign on the issue of immigration.

I'm waiting.


Ok so she secured a bunch of aid for central America, funded by our tax dollars, made a bunch of trips there, when that money could have been used for our people, here in America. So basically we're paying them to not come here, instead of shutting the door entirely to anything but gaining entrance the correct way.   They get aid when they come across our borders illegally, they get paid to stay in their own country.  Sweet deal ..

Here's some of Trump's accomplishments:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/291320/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Pmax_USA_Policy_High-Intent-Audience-Signals&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyfe4BhAWEiwAkIL8sNHr2CMPUNdPqfJPl6ym74lVR3iqPTGnf7qLNJZZ8fgHD24RxMDCRRoC65gQAvD_BwE

Did we see any wars started during his term as President? No
Were prices lower than they are now? Yes

Here's more on the border issue:

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/trump-vs-harris-immigration-future-policy-proposals




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Ok so she secured a bunch of aid for central America, funded by our tax dollars, made a bunch of trips there, when that money could have been used for our people, here in America. So basically we're paying them to not come here, instead of shutting the door entirely to anything but gaining entrance the correct way.   They get aid when they come across our borders illegally, they get paid to stay in their own country.  Sweet deal ..


No; she did her JOB. She did what she was INSTRUCTED by the President to do. She did what was in her POWER to do - attempt to solve a crisis at its root rather than treat a symptom of migrants crossing the border. You can't put a band aid on some things and expect them to change - the wound will bleed through.

I posted that because the term "Border Zhar" has been ignorantly attributed to her responsibilities. She was never appointed as a border zhar. She did what she was appointed to do. That was all the power she had.  

Here's some of Trump's accomplishments:

[ . . .]

Did we see any wars started during his term as President? No
Were prices lower than they are now? Yes


I have addressed the first question in multiple posts in both forum threads. As to the second, you can't call it inflation when corporate profits are breaking the glass ceiling from price-gouging the public. I'm talking BILLIONS in profits. I have addressed that IN DEPTH in the adjacent thread as well.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/most-profitable-u-s-companies-by-sector/

https://www.budget.senate.gov/hearings/corporate-profits-are-soaring-as-prices-rise-are-corporate-greed-and-profiteering-fueling-inflation

Here's more on the border issue:

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/trump-vs-harris-immigration-future-policy-proposals


I don't want to hear ANYMORE about the border issue when Trump himself led MAGA to kill the bipartisan bill to address immigration. Why? So he could run his campaign on the issue. He has been condemned for those actions by Republicans across the board.

A truth you avoided addressing in my last post.



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Ahavati said:

I don't want to hear ANYMORE about the border issue when Trump himself led MAGA to kill the bipartisan bill to address immigration. Why? So he could run his campaign on the issue. He has been condemned for those actions by Republicans across the board.

A truth you avoided addressing in my last post.




And these links are why Trump opposed the bill.   The first link has another link in it that takes you to the full text of the bill, which includes things like additional funding to Ukraine, and changing the asylum system to allow 5000 more people into our country, per day.

Republicans supporting this bill either didn't read the full text , or they are RINOs or both.  Fixing our own border issue, doesn't happen by sending billions of our tax dollars to everywhere but here.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal


https://cis.org/Fact-Sheet/Analysis-Senate-Border-Bill

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2836656/three-reasons-bipartisan-border-bill-is-dead-on-arrival-in-the-house/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WE_Search_Brand-June&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyfe4BhAWEiwAkIL8sCmfrjoglor5C8tihLiiAuksCfzeSkkJwnmeQGTZ8_A7bIEIocf-YBoCjtIQAvD_BwE







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And these links are why Trump opposed the bill.   The first link has another link in it that takes you to the full text of the bill, which includes things like additional funding to Ukraine, and changing the asylum system to allow 5000 more people into our country, per day.

Republicans supporting this bill either didn't read the full text , or they are RINOs or both.  Fixing our own border issue, doesn't happen by sending billions of our tax dollars to everywhere but here.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/whats-in-the-senates-118-billion-border-and-ukraine-deal


https://cis.org/Fact-Sheet/Analysis-Senate-Border-Bill

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2836656/three-reasons-bipartisan-border-bill-is-dead-on-arrival-in-the-house/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WE_Search_Brand-June&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwyfe4BhAWEiwAkIL8sCmfrjoglor5C8tihLiiAuksCfzeSkkJwnmeQGTZ8_A7bIEIocf-YBoCjtIQAvD_BwE



See, that right there ( emphasized ). . .is pure MAGA mindset. If you don't agree with them then they're ignorant RINO's despite being life-long Republicans who have remained loyal to the party? Until now. When they're actually putting country before politics. Here's a complete list of them:

List of Republicans who oppose the Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

"Make America Great Again" - when was it EVER great, really great to begin with? Certainly wasn't for women, black people, LGBTQ+, Asians, Latinos, and so forth.

We're not going back.

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Ahavati said:

See, that right there ( emphasized ). . .is pure MAGA mindset. If you don't agree with them then they're ignorant RINO's despite being life-long Republicans who have remained loyal to the party? Until now. When they're actually putting country before politics. Here's a complete list of them:

List of Republicans who oppose the Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

"Make America Great Again" - when was it EVER great, really great to begin with? Certainly wasn't for women, black people, LGBTQ+, Asians, Latinos, and so forth.

We're not going back.


I'm sure there's a lot that the public doesn't know, such as who truly is a Republican and who pretends to be one.  Regardless, I personally believe that both parties should be eliminated and get people in there who actually make good on their campaign promises and work for the people they represent.

It strikes me as very odd that congressional salaries are 174K per year, yet many of these people in those seats are multi millionaires.  Where is that money coming from?

As far as MAGA-- that's making America great again or maybe "always", is a better term since it's questionable if it truly was at all.  It applies to everyone, not just the groups you mentioned.  It's for our veterans, our elderly, our children, every natural born or naturalized American.  

Yes, we have an ugly history at times-- what nation doesn't?  The premise behind MAGA is to come together, solve problems, work together, respect and support each other, don't repeat past mistakes and be vigilant that our leaders are working for us and not against us and wake up to areas where we fell asleep and various enemies came in to destroy us.

I don't think that's such a bad mindset and goal to work toward.

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MadameLavender said:

I'm sure there's a lot that the public doesn't know, such as who truly is a Republican and who pretends to be one.  Regardless, I personally believe that both parties should be eliminated and get people in there who actually make good on their campaign promises and work for the people they represent.


So, are you are implying that life-long, loyal Republicans ( whom I have no doubt you have voted for in the past ) suddenly aren't republicans if they don't agree with MAGA, a nativist organization who is mostly comprised of a younger generation? Isn't it more feasible to believe that MAGA has hi-jacked the Republican party, so they have a formidable platform to work from?

It strikes me as very odd that congressional salaries are 174K per year, yet many of these people in those seats are multi millionaires.  Where is that money coming from?

Now that we can agree on. I have always advocated term limits to prevent career politicians. That being said, I haven't seen one MAGA representative complain about salaries nor make attempts to lower their own, though they certainly made bids to lower Jean-Pierre and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin's salary to $1.00. Not to mention Harris' office.

As far as MAGA-- that's making America great again or maybe "always", is a better term since it's questionable if it truly was at all.  It applies to everyone, not just the groups you mentioned.  It's for our veterans, our elderly, our children, every natural born or naturalized American.  

But that's not what it says, is it? And project 2025, who representatives like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has declared the country should be Christian Nationalist, believe we should go back to when it was great.

It was never great. And it certainly won't be under a religious domination.

Yes, we have an ugly history at times-- what nation doesn't?  The premise behind MAGA is to come together, solve problems, work together, respect and support each other, don't repeat past mistakes and be vigilant that our leaders are working for us and not against us and wake up to areas where we fell asleep and various enemies came in to destroy us.

I don't think that's such a bad mindset and goal to work toward.


No, it's not a bad goal IF everyone is included. But they aren't. MAGA is attacking diversity, equity, and inclusion. Something I have provided proof for throughout these threads.

Hey, at least we agreed on 1.5 issues! And without calling each other ONE name, I might add! But that's the difference in women vs certain men. :)

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Meanwhile, as Kamala Harris continues to say nothing of any import – or even anything that sense – apart from assuring madbastard Netanyau of 'Ironclad' support, that is, here is the most recent death and injury list from the war on Gaza:


THE LATEST DEATH TOLL STANDS AT  43,686 PALESTINIANS AND 1,139 PEOPLE  KILLED IN ISRAEL SINCE OCTOBER 7, 2023.


Gaza’s Ministry of Health says more than 42,800 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks and thousands more are buried under rubble and threatened by illness.

Here are the latest casualty figures as of 8:00am in Gaza (6:00 GMT) on October 27:


Gaza

Killed: at least 42,924 people, including nearly 16,765 children
Injured: more than 100,833 people
Missing: more than 10,000
The latest figures from the Palestinian Ministry of Health in the occupied West Bank are as follows:


Occupied West Bank

Killed: at least 760 people, including at least 166 children
Injured: more than 6,250 people
In Israel, officials revised the death toll from the October 7 attacks down from 1,405 to 1,139.

Israel
Killed: 1,139 people
Injured: at least 8,730

Devastation across Gaza

According to the latest data from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the World Health Organization and the Palestinian government as of October 27, Israeli attacks have damaged:

More than half of Gaza’s homes (damaged or destroyed)
80 percent of commercial facilities
87 percent of school buildings
Healthcare facilities so 17 of 36 hospitals are partially functional
68 percent of road networks
68 percent of cropland


Nowhere safe to go

The Israeli army published an online map of the Gaza Strip on December 1, dividing the enclave into more than 600 numbered blocks. It asked Gaza’s civilians to identify the block corresponding with their area of residence and evacuate when ordered.
However, leaflets ordering evacuations have been inconsistent with online warnings, which has confused residents.

Furthermore, many Gaza residents have no reliable way to access the map because they have little access to electricity or the internet since the blockade of the 365sq-km (141sq-mile) Strip has resulted in a collapse of telecommunications infrastructure.


Every hour in Gaza:

15 people are killed. Six are children.
35 people are injured.
42 bombs are dropped*.
12 buildings are destroyed.
*Based on the first six days of the war, according to the Israeli army


Journalists killed

As of July 31, more than 125 journalists, mostly Palestinians, have been killed since the Israel-Gaza war began on October 7. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists and the International Federation of Journalists, at least 120 Palestinian, three Lebanese and two Israeli journalists have been killed.


AJLabs. Al Jazeera
27th October 2027

Source:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker

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