Freedom of Speech and Censorship
Because history actually matters:
COINTELPRO memo proposing a plan to expose the pregnancy of actress Jean Seberg, a financial supporter of the Black Panther Party, hoping to "possibly cause her embarrassment or tarnish her image with the general public". Covert campaigns to publicly discredit activists and destroy their interpersonal relationships were a common tactic used by COINTELPRO agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO?fbclid=IwAR1NG8eIBewcgQ9DBhBSPyCIQCk5pvnbN3TruJbNtic6eWAxQ2TiTtPaLvM#/media/File:COINTELPRO_-_Jean_Seberg.jpg
Edit: This is a great example of the white power prevailing in this country. and some of the lengths they'll go to maintain that control. Things are not always what they seem, particularly with White control.
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Ahavati said:Because history actually matters:
COINTELPRO memo proposing a plan to expose the pregnancy of actress Jean Seberg, a financial supporter of the Black Panther Party, hoping to "possibly cause her embarrassment or tarnish her image with the general public". Covert campaigns to publicly discredit activists and destroy their interpersonal relationships were a common tactic used by COINTELPRO agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO?fbclid=IwAR1NG8eIBewcgQ9DBhBSPyCIQCk5pvnbN3TruJbNtic6eWAxQ2TiTtPaLvM#/media/File:COINTELPRO_-_Jean_Seberg.jpg
Edit: This is a great example of the white power prevailing in this country. and some of the lengths they'll go to maintain that control. Things are not always what they seem, particularly with White control.
Because history is about events that actually happened.
I have to read up on this "COINTELPRO" now .... I'm not familiar with it.
COINTELPRO memo proposing a plan to expose the pregnancy of actress Jean Seberg, a financial supporter of the Black Panther Party, hoping to "possibly cause her embarrassment or tarnish her image with the general public". Covert campaigns to publicly discredit activists and destroy their interpersonal relationships were a common tactic used by COINTELPRO agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO?fbclid=IwAR1NG8eIBewcgQ9DBhBSPyCIQCk5pvnbN3TruJbNtic6eWAxQ2TiTtPaLvM#/media/File:COINTELPRO_-_Jean_Seberg.jpg
Edit: This is a great example of the white power prevailing in this country. and some of the lengths they'll go to maintain that control. Things are not always what they seem, particularly with White control.
Because history is about events that actually happened.
I have to read up on this "COINTELPRO" now .... I'm not familiar with it.
This is a good news thread. I’ll just add news from now on, if posting.
https://abc7.com/nypd-officers-get-sick-after-drinking-milkshakes-in-nyc/6249610/
Anti-genocide topics now have a new thread. Please feel free to join!
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11461/
https://abc7.com/nypd-officers-get-sick-after-drinking-milkshakes-in-nyc/6249610/
Anti-genocide topics now have a new thread. Please feel free to join!
https://deepundergroundpoetry.com/forum/speakeasy/read/11461/
This is actually a 'Free Speech' thread, be it good news or bad. However, the definition of 'Free Speech' doesn't include badgering and/or shadowing members to berate your point over their heads like a bible, nor shitting all over every post with which you disagree with personal or snide remarks.
I accept your apology and hope your future actions warrant its sincerity ( which has not always been the case ).
I accept your apology and hope your future actions warrant its sincerity ( which has not always been the case ).
Ahavati said:This is actually a 'Free Speech' thread, be it good news or bad. However, the definition of 'Free Speech' doesn't include badgering and/or shadowing members to berate your point over their heads like a bible, nor shitting all over every post with which you disagree with personal or snide remarks.
I accept your apology and hope your future actions warrant its sincerity.
Right on!
I’ll clean my act.👍🕊🌹
I accept your apology and hope your future actions warrant its sincerity.
Right on!
I’ll clean my act.👍🕊🌹
Anonymous
Ahavati said:
And were not public knowledge. . .
Dang.
According to attorney Brian Glick in his book War at Home, the FBI used five main methods during COINTELPRO:
Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit, disrupt and negatively redirect action. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
Psychological warfare: The FBI and police used myriad "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials, and others to cause trouble for activists. They used bad-jacketing to create suspicion about targeted activists, sometimes with lethal consequences.[70]
Harassment via the legal system: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers of the law gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, "investigative" interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters.[69][71]
Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings and assassinations.[69] The objective was to frighten or eliminate dissidents and disrupt their movements.
Undermine public opinion: One of the primary ways the FBI targeted organizations was by challenging their reputations in the community and denying them a platform to gain legitimacy. Hoover specifically designed programs to block leaders from "spreading their philosophy publicly or through the communications media". Furthermore, the organization created and controlled negative media meant to undermine black power organizations. For instance, they oversaw the creation of "documentaries" skillfully edited to paint the Black Panther Party as aggressive, and false newspapers that spread misinformation about party members. The ability of the FBI to create distrust within and between revolutionary organizations tainted their public image and weakened chances at unity and public support.[46]
And were not public knowledge. . .
Dang.
According to attorney Brian Glick in his book War at Home, the FBI used five main methods during COINTELPRO:
Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit, disrupt and negatively redirect action. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents.
Psychological warfare: The FBI and police used myriad "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials, and others to cause trouble for activists. They used bad-jacketing to create suspicion about targeted activists, sometimes with lethal consequences.[70]
Harassment via the legal system: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers of the law gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, "investigative" interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters.[69][71]
Illegal force: The FBI conspired with local police departments to threaten dissidents; to conduct illegal break-ins in order to search dissident homes; and to commit vandalism, assaults, beatings and assassinations.[69] The objective was to frighten or eliminate dissidents and disrupt their movements.
Undermine public opinion: One of the primary ways the FBI targeted organizations was by challenging their reputations in the community and denying them a platform to gain legitimacy. Hoover specifically designed programs to block leaders from "spreading their philosophy publicly or through the communications media". Furthermore, the organization created and controlled negative media meant to undermine black power organizations. For instance, they oversaw the creation of "documentaries" skillfully edited to paint the Black Panther Party as aggressive, and false newspapers that spread misinformation about party members. The ability of the FBI to create distrust within and between revolutionary organizations tainted their public image and weakened chances at unity and public support.[46]
Ahavati said:
Technically, it's also "shaming", a psychological tactic ( whether recognized as intentional or not ) used to shame a dissenting opinion into compliance with one's own. It's been attempted frequently in this thread toward many participants.
A good example outside of this thread would be the shaming of those against the lockdowns by showing memes of "Opening Cheesecake Factory" vs. "Grandma". Of course you love your grandmother and want to see no harm come to her, but that doesn't mean you had to agree with the lockdown measures! *
*Clarity - I fully supported the lockdowns; however, didn't support "shaming" those who didn't. Saying, This isn't about you is totally different from saying Choose between opening the Cheesecake Factory or your grandmother's life.
Thus, as you surmised, it all comes down to how concerned you are with your public image.
I am a White woman and ally of #Blacklivesmatter who is sick of being shadowed ( even into other threads and on my own poetry ), badgered, and shamed into saying "I'm Black" because the shamer infers I am ( ironically ) "ashamed of my black heritage" if I refuse to say it.
Fuck. That.
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
Edible, black people don’t wish for white people to be color blind. They wish to be seen and accepted as they are. It’s pretty disgusting that you would say “I Am Black”. You aren’t. I would be willing to bet that you have never had to deal with any real form of racism or bias due to your skin color. Ffs gtfo.
Technically, it's also "shaming", a psychological tactic ( whether recognized as intentional or not ) used to shame a dissenting opinion into compliance with one's own. It's been attempted frequently in this thread toward many participants.
A good example outside of this thread would be the shaming of those against the lockdowns by showing memes of "Opening Cheesecake Factory" vs. "Grandma". Of course you love your grandmother and want to see no harm come to her, but that doesn't mean you had to agree with the lockdown measures! *
*Clarity - I fully supported the lockdowns; however, didn't support "shaming" those who didn't. Saying, This isn't about you is totally different from saying Choose between opening the Cheesecake Factory or your grandmother's life.
Thus, as you surmised, it all comes down to how concerned you are with your public image.
I am a White woman and ally of #Blacklivesmatter who is sick of being shadowed ( even into other threads and on my own poetry ), badgered, and shamed into saying "I'm Black" because the shamer infers I am ( ironically ) "ashamed of my black heritage" if I refuse to say it.
Fuck. That.
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
Edible, black people don’t wish for white people to be color blind. They wish to be seen and accepted as they are. It’s pretty disgusting that you would say “I Am Black”. You aren’t. I would be willing to bet that you have never had to deal with any real form of racism or bias due to your skin color. Ffs gtfo.
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You murdering bitch
I try to meet minds
and you say
“I am black”
“Take it down”
I demand
It’s a pointless
monument
to ignorance
I try to meet minds
and you say
“I am black”
“Take it down”
I demand
It’s a pointless
monument
to ignorance
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Eerie said:
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
Edible, black people don’t wish for white people to be color blind. They wish to be seen and accepted as they are. It’s pretty disgusting that you would say “I Am Black”. You aren’t. I would be willing to bet that you have never had to deal with any real form of racism or bias due to your skin color. Ffs gtfo.
Come over and let’s talk at my genocide thread.
I’m a hate crime victim, my husband is more, multiple times over.
I’m done being both targeted and ignored.
But Ahavati can have this space. She knows my motives. Do you?
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
Edible, black people don’t wish for white people to be color blind. They wish to be seen and accepted as they are. It’s pretty disgusting that you would say “I Am Black”. You aren’t. I would be willing to bet that you have never had to deal with any real form of racism or bias due to your skin color. Ffs gtfo.
Come over and let’s talk at my genocide thread.
I’m a hate crime victim, my husband is more, multiple times over.
I’m done being both targeted and ignored.
But Ahavati can have this space. She knows my motives. Do you?
JohnnyBlaze said:The FBI and Department of Justice will investigate the hanging deaths of two black men in California
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/palmdale-hanging-investigation/index.html
All it takes is sending a(n instant ) message to millions of people ( through social media ) stating that protesting the death of blacks and demanding police reforms can be harmful to your health.
The retaliation has begun.
This tears me open to the core
It's best not to comment
Thank you Johnny
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/palmdale-hanging-investigation/index.html
All it takes is sending a(n instant ) message to millions of people ( through social media ) stating that protesting the death of blacks and demanding police reforms can be harmful to your health.
The retaliation has begun.
This tears me open to the core
It's best not to comment
Thank you Johnny
Eerie said:
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
[ . . . ]
That is fascinating about your heritage, Eerie. I am sure I have some African heritage somewhere in my lineage. A prominent Genealogist published a book regarding DNA in America which asserted such. However, the percentages were varied. The second most dominant percentage of mine would be Native American, Cherokee.
We've traced both sides of our family back to the early 1700's in Scotland: The Isle of Skye for my mother's side and Aberdeenshire for my father's. Before that France and Normandy. What black heritage I have would be a minute percentage—
certainly not enough to consider myself black nor worry about discriminations due to skin color. There is a difference in heritage and modern evolution; else we'd all look like Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the like.
#IAmDenisovan!
Thanks for sharing.
I asked because I am a white woman with African lineage. I know the name of my grandfather and where he lived. My mom has a portrait of his daughter. That being said, I don’t go around claiming to be black. I don’t claim to understand their plight at all because I have never had to live a life judged by my skin color (except by my Grandmother who called me racial epithets when I was a child, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish).
[ . . . ]
That is fascinating about your heritage, Eerie. I am sure I have some African heritage somewhere in my lineage. A prominent Genealogist published a book regarding DNA in America which asserted such. However, the percentages were varied. The second most dominant percentage of mine would be Native American, Cherokee.
We've traced both sides of our family back to the early 1700's in Scotland: The Isle of Skye for my mother's side and Aberdeenshire for my father's. Before that France and Normandy. What black heritage I have would be a minute percentage—
certainly not enough to consider myself black nor worry about discriminations due to skin color. There is a difference in heritage and modern evolution; else we'd all look like Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the like.
#IAmDenisovan!
Thanks for sharing.
Ahavati said:
That is fascinating about your heritage, Eerie. I am sure I have some African heritage somewhere in my lineage. A prominent Genealogist published a book regarding DNA in America which asserted such. However, the percentages were varied. The second most dominant percentage of mine would be Native American, Cherokee.
We've traced both sides of our family back to the early 1700's in Scotland: The Isle of Skye for my mother's side and Aberdeenshire for my father's. Before that France and Normandy. What black heritage I have would be a minute percentage—
certainly not enough to consider myself black nor worry about discriminations due to skin color. There is a difference in heritage and modern evolution; else we'd all look like Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the like.
#IAmDenisovan!
Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting as women we feel the same
I have traced my paternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1585 Moravia- " Bohemia"
My Maternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1825 southern central Mexico Aztec
There has been a story no one wants to talk about on my father's side
It's a relationship that was forbidden early 1900s in the Ozarks
When I was searching it was something that was ignored when I inquired about it
There was the name of a baby crossed out ( unusual) on the census page realting to one of my great aunts
The following year their is the name of a girl "Silver" a deceased infant
Interesting huh ?
I know unwed mother's would have been left in secret if it were not acceptable
The age of conception and marriage was very young which tells me if it had been an acceptable "society" to conceive they would have wed.
I can feel the relation to the African American if that makes any sense
I too would never claim to understand the plight of those who endured so much during the birth of this country
That long boat ride of tragedy death and fear it seems almost sacreligious to claim a knowing of such endurance
That is fascinating about your heritage, Eerie. I am sure I have some African heritage somewhere in my lineage. A prominent Genealogist published a book regarding DNA in America which asserted such. However, the percentages were varied. The second most dominant percentage of mine would be Native American, Cherokee.
We've traced both sides of our family back to the early 1700's in Scotland: The Isle of Skye for my mother's side and Aberdeenshire for my father's. Before that France and Normandy. What black heritage I have would be a minute percentage—
certainly not enough to consider myself black nor worry about discriminations due to skin color. There is a difference in heritage and modern evolution; else we'd all look like Neanderthals, Denisovans, and the like.
#IAmDenisovan!
Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting as women we feel the same
I have traced my paternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1585 Moravia- " Bohemia"
My Maternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1825 southern central Mexico Aztec
There has been a story no one wants to talk about on my father's side
It's a relationship that was forbidden early 1900s in the Ozarks
When I was searching it was something that was ignored when I inquired about it
There was the name of a baby crossed out ( unusual) on the census page realting to one of my great aunts
The following year their is the name of a girl "Silver" a deceased infant
Interesting huh ?
I know unwed mother's would have been left in secret if it were not acceptable
The age of conception and marriage was very young which tells me if it had been an acceptable "society" to conceive they would have wed.
I can feel the relation to the African American if that makes any sense
I too would never claim to understand the plight of those who endured so much during the birth of this country
That long boat ride of tragedy death and fear it seems almost sacreligious to claim a knowing of such endurance
Valeriyabeyond said:
Very interesting as women we feel the same
I have traced my paternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1585 Moravia- " Bohemia"
My Maternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1825 southern central Mexico Aztec
There has been a story no one wants to talk about on my father's side
It's a relationship that was forbidden early 1900s in the Ozarks
When I was searching it was something that was ignored when I inquired about it
There was the name of a baby crossed out ( unusual) on the census page realting to one of my great aunts
The following year their is the name of a girl "Silver" a deceased infant
Interesting huh ?
I know unwed mother's would have been left in secret if it were not acceptable
The age of conception and marriage was very young which tells me if it had been an acceptable "society" to conceive they would have wed.
I can feel the relation to the African American if that makes any sense
I too would never claim to understand the plight of those who endured so much during the birth of this country
That long boat ride of tragedy death and fear it seems almost sacreligious to claim a knowing of such endurance
Exactly on the birth certificates, Val. My GGreat Grandmother's name wasn't permitted on the marriage license or birth certificates of her children because she was Native American, can you believe that. On the back of one birth certificate it says "Indian". Silver is a beautiful name! I don't think I've ever known anyone with it.
Racism and discrimination toward anyone not white have always been a part of this country's history. From the slaughter of the Native Americans to the slavery of Blacks to the internment of Japanese citizens ( and now the treatment of "undocumented aliens ( aka Mexicans )" by our government are atrocious. This is the legacy a white- male dominated nation has left us, and will leave our children if we don't fight for change.
I love your Bohemian and Aztecan ancestry! When I was a missionary to Nicaragua Costa Rica and Guatemala the energy was amazing in that region. There was definitely something spiritual that pervaded the area, and it wasn't the Catholic or Christine doctrine so prevalent at that time.
Very interesting as women we feel the same
I have traced my paternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1585 Moravia- " Bohemia"
My Maternal Grandmother's lineage back to 1825 southern central Mexico Aztec
There has been a story no one wants to talk about on my father's side
It's a relationship that was forbidden early 1900s in the Ozarks
When I was searching it was something that was ignored when I inquired about it
There was the name of a baby crossed out ( unusual) on the census page realting to one of my great aunts
The following year their is the name of a girl "Silver" a deceased infant
Interesting huh ?
I know unwed mother's would have been left in secret if it were not acceptable
The age of conception and marriage was very young which tells me if it had been an acceptable "society" to conceive they would have wed.
I can feel the relation to the African American if that makes any sense
I too would never claim to understand the plight of those who endured so much during the birth of this country
That long boat ride of tragedy death and fear it seems almost sacreligious to claim a knowing of such endurance
Exactly on the birth certificates, Val. My GGreat Grandmother's name wasn't permitted on the marriage license or birth certificates of her children because she was Native American, can you believe that. On the back of one birth certificate it says "Indian". Silver is a beautiful name! I don't think I've ever known anyone with it.
Racism and discrimination toward anyone not white have always been a part of this country's history. From the slaughter of the Native Americans to the slavery of Blacks to the internment of Japanese citizens ( and now the treatment of "undocumented aliens ( aka Mexicans )" by our government are atrocious. This is the legacy a white- male dominated nation has left us, and will leave our children if we don't fight for change.
I love your Bohemian and Aztecan ancestry! When I was a missionary to Nicaragua Costa Rica and Guatemala the energy was amazing in that region. There was definitely something spiritual that pervaded the area, and it wasn't the Catholic or Christine doctrine so prevalent at that time.
