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erotica
How odd it is to see
that if you want to get
subscribers here
to read and score
as something worth a comment on
your small attempts at poetry,
you have to label them
a writing forged “erotically”.
And anything you label as
a poem less exotic is,
from crickets that it earns
apparently a cause
to be ignored.
that if you want to get
subscribers here
to read and score
as something worth a comment on
your small attempts at poetry,
you have to label them
a writing forged “erotically”.
And anything you label as
a poem less exotic is,
from crickets that it earns
apparently a cause
to be ignored.
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Re. erotica
19th Jun 2024 4:10pm
The rhythm of the poem is mostly irregular with several lines not following a consistent metrical pattern. The rhyme scheme is also inconsistent, with some lines rhyming and others not. The main breaks in rhythm occur in lines 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 12, while the rhyme is irregular throughout the poem.
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Re: Re. erotica
Who says that there has to be rhyme within a poem, let alone that it has to be "regular" and something that needs to end every one of a poem's lines?
Perhaps you'll tell Linda Pastan (who has won many awards including the Dylan Thomas Award, a Pushcart Prize, the Bess Hokin Prize from Poetry, the Poetry Society of America's Alice Fay di Castagnola Award, and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize, and who served as Poet Laureate of Maryland from 1991 to 1995,) just how incompetent and untalented a poet she was for writing this unrhymed piece
Eve on Her Deathbed
In the end we are no more than our own stories:
mine a few brief passages in the Book,
no further trace of plot or dialogue.
But I once had a lover no one noticed
as he slipped through the pages, through
the lists of those begotten and begetting.
Does he remember our faltering younger selves,
the pleasures we took while Adam,
a good bureaucrat, busied himself
with naming things, even after Eden?
What scraps will our children remember of us
to whom our story is simple
and they themselves the heroes of it?
I woke that first day with Adam for company,
and the tangled path I would soon follow
I’ve tried to forget: the animals, stunned
at first in the forest; the terrible, beating wings
of the angel; the livid curse of childbirth to come.
And then the children themselves,
loving at times, at times unmerciful.
Because of me there is just one narrative
for everyone, one indelible line from birth to death,
with pain or lust, with even love or murder
only brief diversions, subplots.
But what I think of now,
in the final bitterness of age,
is the way the garden groomed itself
in the succulent air of summer—each flower
the essence of its own color; the way even
the serpent knew it had a part it had to play, if
there were to be a story at all.
And how about telling off National Book Award and PulizerPrize winner Mary Oliver for not adhering to your claims about what a writing must have to be a poem when she wrote:
for forty years
the sheets of white paper have
passed under my hands and I have tried
to improve their peaceful
emptiness putting down
little curls little shafts
of letters words
little flames leaping
not one page
was less to me than fascinating
discursive full of cadence
its pale nerves hiding
in the curves of the Qs
behind the soldierly Hs
in the webbed feet of the Ws
forty years
and again this morning as always
I am stopped as the world comes back
wet and beautiful I am thinking
that language
is not even a river
is not a tree is not a green field
is not even a black ant traveling
briskly modestly
from day to day from one
golden page to another.
Perhaps you'll tell Linda Pastan (who has won many awards including the Dylan Thomas Award, a Pushcart Prize, the Bess Hokin Prize from Poetry, the Poetry Society of America's Alice Fay di Castagnola Award, and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize, and who served as Poet Laureate of Maryland from 1991 to 1995,) just how incompetent and untalented a poet she was for writing this unrhymed piece
Eve on Her Deathbed
In the end we are no more than our own stories:
mine a few brief passages in the Book,
no further trace of plot or dialogue.
But I once had a lover no one noticed
as he slipped through the pages, through
the lists of those begotten and begetting.
Does he remember our faltering younger selves,
the pleasures we took while Adam,
a good bureaucrat, busied himself
with naming things, even after Eden?
What scraps will our children remember of us
to whom our story is simple
and they themselves the heroes of it?
I woke that first day with Adam for company,
and the tangled path I would soon follow
I’ve tried to forget: the animals, stunned
at first in the forest; the terrible, beating wings
of the angel; the livid curse of childbirth to come.
And then the children themselves,
loving at times, at times unmerciful.
Because of me there is just one narrative
for everyone, one indelible line from birth to death,
with pain or lust, with even love or murder
only brief diversions, subplots.
But what I think of now,
in the final bitterness of age,
is the way the garden groomed itself
in the succulent air of summer—each flower
the essence of its own color; the way even
the serpent knew it had a part it had to play, if
there were to be a story at all.
And how about telling off National Book Award and PulizerPrize winner Mary Oliver for not adhering to your claims about what a writing must have to be a poem when she wrote:
for forty years
the sheets of white paper have
passed under my hands and I have tried
to improve their peaceful
emptiness putting down
little curls little shafts
of letters words
little flames leaping
not one page
was less to me than fascinating
discursive full of cadence
its pale nerves hiding
in the curves of the Qs
behind the soldierly Hs
in the webbed feet of the Ws
forty years
and again this morning as always
I am stopped as the world comes back
wet and beautiful I am thinking
that language
is not even a river
is not a tree is not a green field
is not even a black ant traveling
briskly modestly
from day to day from one
golden page to another.
Re: Re. erotica
20th Jun 2024 1:02pm
“The rhythm of the poem is mostly irregular with several lines not following a consistent metrical pattern”
Really?
Here’s how the submission scans:
How ODD it IS to SEE
that IF you WANT to GET
subSCRIBers HERE
to READ and SCORE
as SOMEthing WORTH a COMment 0N
your SMALL atTEMPTS at POetRY,
you HAVE to LABel THEM
a WRIing FORGED “erOTic’LY”.*
And AN y THING you LAbel AS
a POem LESS exOTic IS,
from CRICKets THAT it EARNS
apPARentLY a CAUSE
to BE igNORED.
I can only surmise that you claim what you claim above – i.e. that the rhythm of my submission is irregular, let alone mostly so, and that there are lines there that do not display a consistent metrical pattern – that you do not know how to scan lines and/or that you are unable to see what constitutes the rhythm and the meter of my lines.
** https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erotically?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=erotic03
Really?
Here’s how the submission scans:
How ODD it IS to SEE
that IF you WANT to GET
subSCRIBers HERE
to READ and SCORE
as SOMEthing WORTH a COMment 0N
your SMALL atTEMPTS at POetRY,
you HAVE to LABel THEM
a WRIing FORGED “erOTic’LY”.*
And AN y THING you LAbel AS
a POem LESS exOTic IS,
from CRICKets THAT it EARNS
apPARentLY a CAUSE
to BE igNORED.
I can only surmise that you claim what you claim above – i.e. that the rhythm of my submission is irregular, let alone mostly so, and that there are lines there that do not display a consistent metrical pattern – that you do not know how to scan lines and/or that you are unable to see what constitutes the rhythm and the meter of my lines.
** https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erotically?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=erotic03
Re: Re. erotica
20th Jun 2024 1:06pm
“The rhythm of the poem is mostly irregular with several lines not following a consistent metrical pattern”
Really?
Here’s how the submission scans:
How ODD it IS to SEE
that IF you WANT to GET
subSCRIBers HERE
to READ and SCORE
as SOMEthing WORTH a COMment 0N
your SMALL atTEMPTS at POetRY,
you HAVE to LABel THEM
a WRIing FORGED “erOTic’LY”.*
And AN y THING you LAbel AS
a POem LESS exOTic IS,
from CRICKets THAT it EARNS
apPARentLY a CAUSE
to BE igNORED.
I can only surmise that you claim what you claim above – i.e. that the rhythm of my submission is irregular, let alone mostly so, and that there are lines there that do not display a consistent metrical pattern – that you do not know how to scan lines and/or that you are unable to see what constitutes the rhythm and the meter of my lines.
** https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erotically?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=erotic03
Really?
Here’s how the submission scans:
How ODD it IS to SEE
that IF you WANT to GET
subSCRIBers HERE
to READ and SCORE
as SOMEthing WORTH a COMment 0N
your SMALL atTEMPTS at POetRY,
you HAVE to LABel THEM
a WRIing FORGED “erOTic’LY”.*
And AN y THING you LAbel AS
a POem LESS exOTic IS,
from CRICKets THAT it EARNS
apPARentLY a CAUSE
to BE igNORED.
I can only surmise that you claim what you claim above – i.e. that the rhythm of my submission is irregular, let alone mostly so, and that there are lines there that do not display a consistent metrical pattern – that you do not know how to scan lines and/or that you are unable to see what constitutes the rhythm and the meter of my lines.
** https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/erotically?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=e&file=erotic03
Re. erotica
19th Jun 2024 4:11pm
The rhyme scheme is irregular overall, with only a few lines rhyming (see, poetry, erotically) and most not (get, here, score, on, them, as, is, earns, cause, ignored).
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Re: Re. erotica
19th Jun 2024 8:39pm
"The rhyme scheme is irregular overall, with only a few lines rhyming ".
So what?
So what?
Re. erotica
19th Jun 2024 4:12pm
The rhythm breaks primarily in lines 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 12 where the syllable count or stress pattern does not match the other lines.
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Re: Re. erotica
Where do you get the rule that given lines in a poem have to have the same syllable count as any other?
You would do well to read through _All The Fun's In How You Say A Thing: An Explanation Of Meter & Versification- by Timothy Steele to see that this isn't so.
You would do well to read through _All The Fun's In How You Say A Thing: An Explanation Of Meter & Versification- by Timothy Steele to see that this isn't so.
Re: Re. erotica
20th Jun 2024 8:07am
You're correct that poetry doesn't have to adhere to strict syllable counts for each line. However, consistent meter and rhythm can enhance the readability and flow of a poem.
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Re: Re. erotica
20th Jun 2024 10:37am
"You're correct that poetry doesn't have to adhere to strict syllable counts for each line."
Who, besides you, said anything about "syllable counts"? Did you mean line length?
"However, consistent meter and rhythm can enhance the readability and flow of a poem.".
Who said otherwise?
And you have yet to demonstrate, rather than just assert, that the meter of my lines, let alone the "rhythm" in them is inconsistent.
Who, besides you, said anything about "syllable counts"? Did you mean line length?
"However, consistent meter and rhythm can enhance the readability and flow of a poem.".
Who said otherwise?
And you have yet to demonstrate, rather than just assert, that the meter of my lines, let alone the "rhythm" in them is inconsistent.