Trumps Indictment: Historical and Future Implications II
Carpe_Noctem said:So he is a dictator then.
Whilst we are talking Ukraine. Remember Boris Johnson sabotaged the attempts at peace talks.
Uh, no. Ukraine's latest constitutional amendment was adopted under President Petro Poroshenko BEFORE Zelensky became president ( 2019 ). And that was to include the aspiration to join the EU and NATO.
The ONLY body that may interpret the constitution and determine whether legislation conforms to it is the Constitutional Court of Ukraine.
Zelenski is upholding the constitution. I don't consider that a dictator. Because, once again:
Both constitutionally and legally speaking, the Ukrainian government is simply following Ukrainian law. The Ukrainian constitution and martial law legislation clearly prohibit presidential, parliamentary, and local elections from taking place under martial law, and Zelensky’s comments last week were merely a repetition of what other Ukrainian government officials have said on this topic in recent months. Other European countries, such as Germany, have similar provisions for postponing wartime elections.
I don't know much about British politics so can't comment about Johnson, except to say that he wasn't very well liked, from the things I've read.
Whilst we are talking Ukraine. Remember Boris Johnson sabotaged the attempts at peace talks.
Uh, no. Ukraine's latest constitutional amendment was adopted under President Petro Poroshenko BEFORE Zelensky became president ( 2019 ). And that was to include the aspiration to join the EU and NATO.
The ONLY body that may interpret the constitution and determine whether legislation conforms to it is the Constitutional Court of Ukraine.
Zelenski is upholding the constitution. I don't consider that a dictator. Because, once again:
Both constitutionally and legally speaking, the Ukrainian government is simply following Ukrainian law. The Ukrainian constitution and martial law legislation clearly prohibit presidential, parliamentary, and local elections from taking place under martial law, and Zelensky’s comments last week were merely a repetition of what other Ukrainian government officials have said on this topic in recent months. Other European countries, such as Germany, have similar provisions for postponing wartime elections.
I don't know much about British politics so can't comment about Johnson, except to say that he wasn't very well liked, from the things I've read.
Exactly he is a dictator
Just because there was convenient amendments made to the Ukraine constitution before the conflict started. Doesn't mean what is happening hasn't been planned out for a long time.
We must also consider the US backed coup of Ukraine.
The west is literally bankrupting itself sending cash that could be better used in their own countries. Anyone supporting zelensky is a warmongering psychopath possibly with vested interests in the military industrial complex.
Same for those that pushed the covid narrative and the bio weapon narrative more than likely had interests in Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.
When Boris Johnson flew over to Ukraine and sabotaged those peace talks, which both Russia and Ukraine had been ready to sit down and talk at that stage.
Showed the world the wests view. They don't want peace they want war and conflict
Just because there was convenient amendments made to the Ukraine constitution before the conflict started. Doesn't mean what is happening hasn't been planned out for a long time.
We must also consider the US backed coup of Ukraine.
The west is literally bankrupting itself sending cash that could be better used in their own countries. Anyone supporting zelensky is a warmongering psychopath possibly with vested interests in the military industrial complex.
Same for those that pushed the covid narrative and the bio weapon narrative more than likely had interests in Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.
When Boris Johnson flew over to Ukraine and sabotaged those peace talks, which both Russia and Ukraine had been ready to sit down and talk at that stage.
Showed the world the wests view. They don't want peace they want war and conflict
Carpe_Noctem said:Exactly he is a dictator
Just because there was convenient amendments made to the Ukraine constitution before the conflict started. Doesn't mean what is happening hasn't been planned out for a long time.
We must also consider the US backed coup of Ukraine.
The west is literally bankrupting itself sending cash that could be better used in their own countries. Anyone supporting zelensky is a warmongering psychopath possibly with vested interests in the military industrial complex.
Same for those that pushed the covid narrative and the bio weapon narrative more than likely had interests in Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.
When Boris Johnson flew over to Ukraine and sabotaged those peace talks, which both Russia and Ukraine had been ready to sit down and talk at that stage.
Showed the world the wests view. They don't want peace they want war and conflict
Carpe, Zelensky had NOTHING to do with amendments that were adopted by the country BEFORE he was ELECTED president. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about that. By the time he was elected it was a part of the constitution that he is now upholding.
Dictator: A ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.
Zelensky neither has total power over the Ukraine nor did he obtain the country by force. PUTIN is a dictator who is a proven murderer of those who oppose him ( think Navalny ) AND is attempting to take Ukraine by force.
Just because there was convenient amendments made to the Ukraine constitution before the conflict started. Doesn't mean what is happening hasn't been planned out for a long time.
We must also consider the US backed coup of Ukraine.
The west is literally bankrupting itself sending cash that could be better used in their own countries. Anyone supporting zelensky is a warmongering psychopath possibly with vested interests in the military industrial complex.
Same for those that pushed the covid narrative and the bio weapon narrative more than likely had interests in Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.
When Boris Johnson flew over to Ukraine and sabotaged those peace talks, which both Russia and Ukraine had been ready to sit down and talk at that stage.
Showed the world the wests view. They don't want peace they want war and conflict
Carpe, Zelensky had NOTHING to do with amendments that were adopted by the country BEFORE he was ELECTED president. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about that. By the time he was elected it was a part of the constitution that he is now upholding.
Dictator: A ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.
Zelensky neither has total power over the Ukraine nor did he obtain the country by force. PUTIN is a dictator who is a proven murderer of those who oppose him ( think Navalny ) AND is attempting to take Ukraine by force.
Today is President's Day in America
February 18, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 18, 2024
On the third Monday in February, the U.S. celebrates Presidents Day, a somewhat vague holiday placed in 1968 near the date of George Washington’s birthday on February 22, 1732, but also traditionally including Abraham Lincoln, who was born on February 12, 1809. This year, that holiday falls on February 19.
That the American people in the twenty-first century celebrate Abraham Lincoln as a great president would likely have surprised Lincoln in summer 1864, when every sign suggested he would not be reelected and would go down in history as the man who had permitted a rebellion to dismember the United States.
The news from the battlefields in 1864 was grim. In May, General U. S. Grant had taken control of the Army of the Potomac and had launched a war of attrition to destroy the Confederacy. In May and June, more than 17,500 Union soldiers were killed or wounded at the Battle of the Wilderness, 18,000 at Spotsylvania, and another 12,500 at Cold Harbor. As the casualties mounted, so did criticism of Lincoln.
Those Republican leaders who thought Lincoln was far too conservative both in his prosecution of the war and in his moves toward abolishing enslavement had plotted with the humorless Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase, who perennially hankered to run the country, to replace Lincoln with Chase on the 1864 ticket.
In February they went so far as to circulate a document signed by Senator Samuel Pomeroy of Kansas, a key party leader, saying that “even were the re-election of Lincoln desirable, it is practically impossible against the union of influences which will oppose him.” Even if he could manage to pull off a reelection, the Pomeroy circular said, he was unfit for office: “his manifest tendency towards compromises and temporary expedients of policy” would make the “dignity and honor of the nation…suffer.”
This was no small challenge: Chase had been in charge of remaking the finances of the United States, and he had both connections and Treasury employees all over the country who owed their jobs to him. In an era in which political patronage meant political victories, he had a formidable machine.
Lincoln managed to quell the rebellion from the radicals. In June 1864, soon after the party—temporarily renamed the National Union Party to make it easier for former Democrats to feel comfortable voting for Republicans—met to choose a presidential candidate, Chase threatened to resign from the Cabinet, as he had done repeatedly. In the past, Lincoln had appeased him. This time, Lincoln accepted his resignation.
But conservatives, too, were in revolt against Lincoln.
Crucially, Thurlow Weed, New York’s kingmaker, thought Lincoln was far too radical. Weed cared deeply about putting his own people into the well-paying customs positions available in New York City, and he was frequently angry that Lincoln appointed nominees favored by the more radical faction.
That frustration went hand in hand with anger about policy. Weed was upset that the Republicans were remaking the government for ordinary Americans. The 1862 Homestead Act, which provided western land for a nominal fee to any American willing to settle it, was a thorn in his side. Until Congress passed that law, such land, taken from Indigenous tribes, would be sold to speculators for cash that went directly to the Treasury. Republicans believed that putting farmers on the land would enable them to pay the new national taxes Congress imposed, thus bringing in far more money to the Treasury for far longer than would selling to speculators, but Weed foresaw national bankruptcy.
Even more than financial policy, though, Weed was unhappy with Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, which moved toward an end of human enslavement far too quickly for Weed.
On August 22, Weed wrote to his protégé Secretary of State William Henry Seward that he had recently “told Mr. Lincoln that his re-election was an impossibility…. [N]obody here doubts it; nor do I see anybody from other states who authorises the slightest hope of success.”
“The People are wild for Peace,” he wrote, and suggested they were unhappy that “the President will only listen to terms of Peace on condition Slavery be ‘abandoned.’” Weed wrote that Henry Raymond, another protégé who both chaired the Republican National Committee and edited the New York Times, “thinks Commissioners should be immediately sent to Richmond, offering to treat for Peace on the basis of Union.”
On August 23, 1864, Lincoln asked the members of his Cabinet to sign a memorandum that was pasted closed so they could not read it. Inside were the words:
“This morning, as for some days past, it seems exceedingly probable that this Administration will not be re-elected. Then it will be my duty to so co-operate with the President elect, as to save the Union between the election and the inauguration; as he will have secured his election on such ground that he can not possibly save it afterwards. — A. Lincoln”
But then his fortunes turned.
Just a week after Weed foretold his electoral doom, the Democrats chose as a presidential candidate General George McClellan, formerly commander of the Army of the Potomac, in a transparent attempt to appeal to soldiers. But to appease the anti-war wing of the party, they also called for an immediate end to the war. They also rejected the new, popular measures the national government had undertaken since 1861—the establishment of state colleges, the transcontinental railroad, the new national money, and the Homestead Act—insisting on “State rights.”
Americans who had poured their lives and fortunes into the war and liked the new government were not willing to abandon both to return to the conditions of three years before.
Then news spread that Rear Admiral David Farragut had taken control of Mobile Bay, the last port the Confederates held in the Gulf of Mexico east of the Mississippi River. On September 2, General William T. Sherman took Atlanta, a city of symbolic as well as real value to the Confederacy, and set off on his March to the Sea, smashing his way through the countryside and carving the eastern half of Confederacy in half again.
Reelecting Lincoln meant committing to fight on until victory, and voters threw in their lot. In November’s election, Lincoln won about 55% of the popular vote compared to McClellan’s 45%, and 212 electoral votes to McClellan’s 12. Lincoln won 78 percent of the soldiers’ vote.
After his reelection, Lincoln explained to a crowd come to serenade him why it had been important to hold an election, even though he had expected to lose it:
“We can not have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us.”
Happy Presidents Day.
—
Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-18-2024
February 18, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
FEB 18, 2024
On the third Monday in February, the U.S. celebrates Presidents Day, a somewhat vague holiday placed in 1968 near the date of George Washington’s birthday on February 22, 1732, but also traditionally including Abraham Lincoln, who was born on February 12, 1809. This year, that holiday falls on February 19.
That the American people in the twenty-first century celebrate Abraham Lincoln as a great president would likely have surprised Lincoln in summer 1864, when every sign suggested he would not be reelected and would go down in history as the man who had permitted a rebellion to dismember the United States.
The news from the battlefields in 1864 was grim. In May, General U. S. Grant had taken control of the Army of the Potomac and had launched a war of attrition to destroy the Confederacy. In May and June, more than 17,500 Union soldiers were killed or wounded at the Battle of the Wilderness, 18,000 at Spotsylvania, and another 12,500 at Cold Harbor. As the casualties mounted, so did criticism of Lincoln.
Those Republican leaders who thought Lincoln was far too conservative both in his prosecution of the war and in his moves toward abolishing enslavement had plotted with the humorless Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase, who perennially hankered to run the country, to replace Lincoln with Chase on the 1864 ticket.
In February they went so far as to circulate a document signed by Senator Samuel Pomeroy of Kansas, a key party leader, saying that “even were the re-election of Lincoln desirable, it is practically impossible against the union of influences which will oppose him.” Even if he could manage to pull off a reelection, the Pomeroy circular said, he was unfit for office: “his manifest tendency towards compromises and temporary expedients of policy” would make the “dignity and honor of the nation…suffer.”
This was no small challenge: Chase had been in charge of remaking the finances of the United States, and he had both connections and Treasury employees all over the country who owed their jobs to him. In an era in which political patronage meant political victories, he had a formidable machine.
Lincoln managed to quell the rebellion from the radicals. In June 1864, soon after the party—temporarily renamed the National Union Party to make it easier for former Democrats to feel comfortable voting for Republicans—met to choose a presidential candidate, Chase threatened to resign from the Cabinet, as he had done repeatedly. In the past, Lincoln had appeased him. This time, Lincoln accepted his resignation.
But conservatives, too, were in revolt against Lincoln.
Crucially, Thurlow Weed, New York’s kingmaker, thought Lincoln was far too radical. Weed cared deeply about putting his own people into the well-paying customs positions available in New York City, and he was frequently angry that Lincoln appointed nominees favored by the more radical faction.
That frustration went hand in hand with anger about policy. Weed was upset that the Republicans were remaking the government for ordinary Americans. The 1862 Homestead Act, which provided western land for a nominal fee to any American willing to settle it, was a thorn in his side. Until Congress passed that law, such land, taken from Indigenous tribes, would be sold to speculators for cash that went directly to the Treasury. Republicans believed that putting farmers on the land would enable them to pay the new national taxes Congress imposed, thus bringing in far more money to the Treasury for far longer than would selling to speculators, but Weed foresaw national bankruptcy.
Even more than financial policy, though, Weed was unhappy with Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, which moved toward an end of human enslavement far too quickly for Weed.
On August 22, Weed wrote to his protégé Secretary of State William Henry Seward that he had recently “told Mr. Lincoln that his re-election was an impossibility…. [N]obody here doubts it; nor do I see anybody from other states who authorises the slightest hope of success.”
“The People are wild for Peace,” he wrote, and suggested they were unhappy that “the President will only listen to terms of Peace on condition Slavery be ‘abandoned.’” Weed wrote that Henry Raymond, another protégé who both chaired the Republican National Committee and edited the New York Times, “thinks Commissioners should be immediately sent to Richmond, offering to treat for Peace on the basis of Union.”
On August 23, 1864, Lincoln asked the members of his Cabinet to sign a memorandum that was pasted closed so they could not read it. Inside were the words:
“This morning, as for some days past, it seems exceedingly probable that this Administration will not be re-elected. Then it will be my duty to so co-operate with the President elect, as to save the Union between the election and the inauguration; as he will have secured his election on such ground that he can not possibly save it afterwards. — A. Lincoln”
But then his fortunes turned.
Just a week after Weed foretold his electoral doom, the Democrats chose as a presidential candidate General George McClellan, formerly commander of the Army of the Potomac, in a transparent attempt to appeal to soldiers. But to appease the anti-war wing of the party, they also called for an immediate end to the war. They also rejected the new, popular measures the national government had undertaken since 1861—the establishment of state colleges, the transcontinental railroad, the new national money, and the Homestead Act—insisting on “State rights.”
Americans who had poured their lives and fortunes into the war and liked the new government were not willing to abandon both to return to the conditions of three years before.
Then news spread that Rear Admiral David Farragut had taken control of Mobile Bay, the last port the Confederates held in the Gulf of Mexico east of the Mississippi River. On September 2, General William T. Sherman took Atlanta, a city of symbolic as well as real value to the Confederacy, and set off on his March to the Sea, smashing his way through the countryside and carving the eastern half of Confederacy in half again.
Reelecting Lincoln meant committing to fight on until victory, and voters threw in their lot. In November’s election, Lincoln won about 55% of the popular vote compared to McClellan’s 45%, and 212 electoral votes to McClellan’s 12. Lincoln won 78 percent of the soldiers’ vote.
After his reelection, Lincoln explained to a crowd come to serenade him why it had been important to hold an election, even though he had expected to lose it:
“We can not have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us.”
Happy Presidents Day.
—
Notes: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-18-2024
Trump Cases COLLAPSE: January 6th Case REMOVED from DC Court Docket as House GOP PUNISHES Big Fani
https://www.youtube.com/live/96VmUCp8ih4?si=xglkynKNu0OiiwQj
https://www.youtube.com/live/96VmUCp8ih4?si=xglkynKNu0OiiwQj
One more time. Action by Zelensky as follows
Arrest of press
Arrest of political opposition
Arrest of religious figures
Outlawed Othordox church services
Elimination of elections ...unless Biden runs the election according to Zelensky.
Not Putin
Zelensky.....Dictator Zelensky
Arrest of press
Arrest of political opposition
Arrest of religious figures
Outlawed Othordox church services
Elimination of elections ...unless Biden runs the election according to Zelensky.
Not Putin
Zelensky.....Dictator Zelensky
Fani Willis: The Epic Self-Destruction of An Arrogant Incompetent and Entitled Fool
Lionel Nation
https://www.youtube.com/live/iZuW-ChL-pg?si=YnCaYIcjd-TQ2WSG
Lionel Nation
https://www.youtube.com/live/iZuW-ChL-pg?si=YnCaYIcjd-TQ2WSG
I find it interesting that I still have to see fake outrage about a prisoner dying in a Russian jail while child sniffing, segregationist voting Biden brags like a snake about jailing over a 1000 Trump supporters for protesting the voter fraud treason that put him in power. The corruption of Russian politics used to cover up American corruption. So we hate Putin until he can be used to divert blame..
I remember when I was younger and hearing a few of my Gen Xers praise communist Russia as a standard for government to then later castigate those same people because they rejected Bolsheviki bullshit and brought the Russian Orthodox church back into societal focus. Putin with his bag of sins quotes from church doctrine all the time and denounces his countries past rejection of Russian traditions for Marxist revisionist jive...
I remember when I was younger and hearing a few of my Gen Xers praise communist Russia as a standard for government to then later castigate those same people because they rejected Bolsheviki bullshit and brought the Russian Orthodox church back into societal focus. Putin with his bag of sins quotes from church doctrine all the time and denounces his countries past rejection of Russian traditions for Marxist revisionist jive...
Trump Will Make $4 BILLION After Truth Social Deal Approved, Woke Left FURIOUS Trump Is Winning
https://youtu.be/bD6FGNZgU5g?si=JcCx8O5OTjcvf_pf
https://youtu.be/bD6FGNZgU5g?si=JcCx8O5OTjcvf_pf
Carpe_Noctem said:
How many elections has zelensky cancelled now?
Zelensky has done nothing outside of his country's constitution. This is OLD news.
Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed that the country’s presidential election, that in peacetime would be expected next March, will not be taking place while Ukraine remains under martial law and is in a state of war with Russia.
Western right-wing social media personalities predictably greeted this news as confirmation of their prejudices against Ukrainian democracy. Failed politician and 2020 U.S. election denier Kari Lake was among those who complained, saying on X, formerly known as Twitter, “Zelensky is considering canceling elections in Ukraine. I didn’t realize that Democracy could just be turned off & on like a TV.” Not wanting to be left out, reactionary Michael Tracey dedicated several tweets to misunderstanding Ukraine’s constitution while furiously denouncing his own followers for correcting his mistakes via X’s Community Notes feature, claiming that “it’s totally false that holding elections during Martial Law is ‘banned’ by Ukraine’s constitution.” (The Community Note is, in fact, correct, and Tracey is, of course, wrong.)
So while, I hope, everyone knows not to take such figures seriously, Americans might still have qualms over the failure to hold elections. The United States itself has a habit, rare among democracies, of keeping the vote going even during wartime, as in 1864 and 1944.
Thus, it’s worth going into detail as to why the Ukrainian government has taken this position and how the Ukrainian electorate is responding to that. This news certainly didn’t come as a surprise to anyone in Ukraine, and the pressure surrounding wartime elections has been entirely external, leaving many Ukrainians baffled. The most prominent of these interventions was made by U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who on a visit to Kyiv in August said he believed the Ukrainian government should hold elections in 2024. While it should be noted that, in responding to Graham, Zelensky appeared to hold the door open for elections next year, he also stressed that they were legally prohibited under martial law in the same interview.
These opinions are not confined to American conservatives either, with the president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Tiny Kox, telling European Pravda in May that Ukraine is expected to “organize free and fair elections,” shortly before walking those comments back in a subsequent interview.
[ . . . ]
For those who are unaware of what martial law is, in most countries it entails the suspension of a civilian government, replacing it with a military administration enacted during times of war, and it normally involves the curtailment of peacetime political freedoms such as freedom of speech and the freedom of assembly. While martial law is never a positive political development for a nation-state, at times of war, such as the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine, such legal measures become unfortunately necessary to save lives.
Both constitutionally and legally speaking, the Ukrainian government is simply following Ukrainian law. The Ukrainian constitution and martial law legislation clearly prohibit presidential, parliamentary, and local elections from taking place under martial law, and Zelensky’s comments last week were merely a repetition of what other Ukrainian government officials have said on this topic in recent months. Other European countries, such as Germany, have similar provisions for postponing wartime elections.
[ . . . ]
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/11/17/ukraine-elections-war-russia-zelensky/
For those interested in the truth ^.
It's interesting how attention is being driven from Putin's murder of Alexei Navalny to purporting that Zelensky is holding the country he's personally fighting to defend hostage because, you know, Russia is trying to liberate it. [/sarcasm]
ME: Honey, you are the pure definition of insane. Repeating the same shit over and over again, yet still expecting a different outcome.
me : You are old news. I come here for the other's comments now. LMFAO!
How many elections has zelensky cancelled now?
Zelensky has done nothing outside of his country's constitution. This is OLD news.
Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed that the country’s presidential election, that in peacetime would be expected next March, will not be taking place while Ukraine remains under martial law and is in a state of war with Russia.
Western right-wing social media personalities predictably greeted this news as confirmation of their prejudices against Ukrainian democracy. Failed politician and 2020 U.S. election denier Kari Lake was among those who complained, saying on X, formerly known as Twitter, “Zelensky is considering canceling elections in Ukraine. I didn’t realize that Democracy could just be turned off & on like a TV.” Not wanting to be left out, reactionary Michael Tracey dedicated several tweets to misunderstanding Ukraine’s constitution while furiously denouncing his own followers for correcting his mistakes via X’s Community Notes feature, claiming that “it’s totally false that holding elections during Martial Law is ‘banned’ by Ukraine’s constitution.” (The Community Note is, in fact, correct, and Tracey is, of course, wrong.)
So while, I hope, everyone knows not to take such figures seriously, Americans might still have qualms over the failure to hold elections. The United States itself has a habit, rare among democracies, of keeping the vote going even during wartime, as in 1864 and 1944.
Thus, it’s worth going into detail as to why the Ukrainian government has taken this position and how the Ukrainian electorate is responding to that. This news certainly didn’t come as a surprise to anyone in Ukraine, and the pressure surrounding wartime elections has been entirely external, leaving many Ukrainians baffled. The most prominent of these interventions was made by U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, who on a visit to Kyiv in August said he believed the Ukrainian government should hold elections in 2024. While it should be noted that, in responding to Graham, Zelensky appeared to hold the door open for elections next year, he also stressed that they were legally prohibited under martial law in the same interview.
These opinions are not confined to American conservatives either, with the president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Tiny Kox, telling European Pravda in May that Ukraine is expected to “organize free and fair elections,” shortly before walking those comments back in a subsequent interview.
[ . . . ]
For those who are unaware of what martial law is, in most countries it entails the suspension of a civilian government, replacing it with a military administration enacted during times of war, and it normally involves the curtailment of peacetime political freedoms such as freedom of speech and the freedom of assembly. While martial law is never a positive political development for a nation-state, at times of war, such as the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine, such legal measures become unfortunately necessary to save lives.
Both constitutionally and legally speaking, the Ukrainian government is simply following Ukrainian law. The Ukrainian constitution and martial law legislation clearly prohibit presidential, parliamentary, and local elections from taking place under martial law, and Zelensky’s comments last week were merely a repetition of what other Ukrainian government officials have said on this topic in recent months. Other European countries, such as Germany, have similar provisions for postponing wartime elections.
[ . . . ]
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/11/17/ukraine-elections-war-russia-zelensky/
For those interested in the truth ^.
It's interesting how attention is being driven from Putin's murder of Alexei Navalny to purporting that Zelensky is holding the country he's personally fighting to defend hostage because, you know, Russia is trying to liberate it. [/sarcasm]
ME: Honey, you are the pure definition of insane. Repeating the same shit over and over again, yet still expecting a different outcome.
me : You are old news. I come here for the other's comments now. LMFAO!
runaway-mindtrain said:I find it interesting that I still have to see fake outrage about a prisoner dying in a Russian jail while child sniffing, segregationist voting Biden brags like a snake about jailing over a 1000 Trump supporters for protesting the voter fraud treason that put him in power. The corruption of Russian politics used to cover up American corruption. So we hate Putin until he can be used to divert blame..
I remember when I was younger and hearing a few of my Gen Xers praise communist Russia as a standard for government to then later castigate those same people because they rejected Bolsheviki bullshit and brought the Russian Orthodox church back into societal focus. Putin with his bag of sins quotes from church doctrine all the time and denounces his countries past rejection of Russian traditions for Marxist revisionist jive...
Right, They would only care if the sniffer was sniffing their kid, or would they have paid for said sniff? Makes one wonder...
The whole Ukraine issue(s), thats a whole 'nother thread.....but no one likes those kind, havent you heard? I was told mine's subpar, and a losers area at best....IF they even go to read it.....makes me laugh with sadness.
I remember when I was younger and hearing a few of my Gen Xers praise communist Russia as a standard for government to then later castigate those same people because they rejected Bolsheviki bullshit and brought the Russian Orthodox church back into societal focus. Putin with his bag of sins quotes from church doctrine all the time and denounces his countries past rejection of Russian traditions for Marxist revisionist jive...
Right, They would only care if the sniffer was sniffing their kid, or would they have paid for said sniff? Makes one wonder...
The whole Ukraine issue(s), thats a whole 'nother thread.....but no one likes those kind, havent you heard? I was told mine's subpar, and a losers area at best....IF they even go to read it.....makes me laugh with sadness.
LEAKED AUDIO: Fani Willis Whistleblower WARNED DA About Misuse of Campaign Funds, THEN WAS FIRED
https://youtu.be/4utN-SX44R0?si=swYdjGKaBdlk7r5Q
https://youtu.be/4utN-SX44R0?si=swYdjGKaBdlk7r5Q
Ahavati said:
Zelensky neither has total power over the Ukraine nor did he obtain the country by force. PUTIN is a dictator who is a proven murderer of those who oppose him ( think Navalny ) AND is attempting to take Ukraine by force.
The dictator maintains control by influencing and appeasing the inner circle and repressing any opposition, which may include rival political parties, sounds familiar.
Dictatorships can be formed by a military coup that overthrows the previous government through force or they can be formed by a self-coup in which elected leaders make their rule permanent. Still sounding familiar.
The use of the term "dictatorship" emerged in the Roman Republic, referring to "a temporary grant of absolute power to a leader to handle some emergency." Exactly what has happened here.
Turns out Navalny died of a blood clot. Pretty sure putin personally wasn't the cause of this. Perhaps Navalny had a clot shot. Also Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian prison. No mention of that though hey.
Are you intentionally being willfully ignorant here, or are you seriously that intellectually retarded?
Zelensky neither has total power over the Ukraine nor did he obtain the country by force. PUTIN is a dictator who is a proven murderer of those who oppose him ( think Navalny ) AND is attempting to take Ukraine by force.
The dictator maintains control by influencing and appeasing the inner circle and repressing any opposition, which may include rival political parties, sounds familiar.
Dictatorships can be formed by a military coup that overthrows the previous government through force or they can be formed by a self-coup in which elected leaders make their rule permanent. Still sounding familiar.
The use of the term "dictatorship" emerged in the Roman Republic, referring to "a temporary grant of absolute power to a leader to handle some emergency." Exactly what has happened here.
Turns out Navalny died of a blood clot. Pretty sure putin personally wasn't the cause of this. Perhaps Navalny had a clot shot. Also Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian prison. No mention of that though hey.
Are you intentionally being willfully ignorant here, or are you seriously that intellectually retarded?
Carpe_Noctem said:
The dictator maintains control by influencing and appeasing the inner circle and repressing any opposition, which may include rival political parties, sounds familiar.
Dictatorships can be formed by a military coup that overthrows the previous government through force or they can be formed by a self-coup in which elected leaders make their rule permanent. Still sounding familiar.
The use of the term "dictatorship" emerged in the Roman Republic, referring to "a temporary grant of absolute power to a leader to handle some emergency." Exactly what has happened here.
Turns out Navalny died of a blood clot. Pretty sure putin personally wasn't the cause of this. Perhaps Navalny had a clot shot. Also Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian prison. No mention of that though hey.
Are you intentionally being willfully ignorant here, or are you seriously that intellectually retarded?
This is why I haven't been able to continue a conversation with you. You resort to personal insults, and I am not above ignoring anyone who does.
The dictator maintains control by influencing and appeasing the inner circle and repressing any opposition, which may include rival political parties, sounds familiar.
Dictatorships can be formed by a military coup that overthrows the previous government through force or they can be formed by a self-coup in which elected leaders make their rule permanent. Still sounding familiar.
The use of the term "dictatorship" emerged in the Roman Republic, referring to "a temporary grant of absolute power to a leader to handle some emergency." Exactly what has happened here.
Turns out Navalny died of a blood clot. Pretty sure putin personally wasn't the cause of this. Perhaps Navalny had a clot shot. Also Gonzalo Lira died in a Ukrainian prison. No mention of that though hey.
Are you intentionally being willfully ignorant here, or are you seriously that intellectually retarded?
This is why I haven't been able to continue a conversation with you. You resort to personal insults, and I am not above ignoring anyone who does.
