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Time of sexual purity
I would like to know
if it were ever so
as someone claimed
that once there was a time
when only those
of married state
had sex
and only then
with sole intent
to propagate
with purpose to ensure
their nation would
sustain itself
by being filled a lot
with uncorrupted sons
and if so, when it was.
and likewise if
there also was
in history a clime
in which
all men who had
as yet remained unwed
restrained themselves
from semen’s spread
and never took to bed
before they came to be
espoused
a woman who
was virtue led
or not.
if it were ever so
as someone claimed
that once there was a time
when only those
of married state
had sex
and only then
with sole intent
to propagate
with purpose to ensure
their nation would
sustain itself
by being filled a lot
with uncorrupted sons
and if so, when it was.
and likewise if
there also was
in history a clime
in which
all men who had
as yet remained unwed
restrained themselves
from semen’s spread
and never took to bed
before they came to be
espoused
a woman who
was virtue led
or not.
Published 12th Oct 2022
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19th Oct 2022 7:27am
1- Do you consider this poetry? It is prose with no images, no similes or metaphors. It is mere prose written with rhythm. Is this poetry in your point of view? Why didn't you write it in prose?
2- Please correct UNCORRUPTED SONS and make it INCORRUPTED SONS. I would like to remind you that CORRUPTED takes the prefix IN and not UN.
2- Please correct UNCORRUPTED SONS and make it INCORRUPTED SONS. I would like to remind you that CORRUPTED takes the prefix IN and not UN.
"1- Do you consider this poetry? It is prose with no images, no similes or metaphors. It is mere prose written with rhythm."
You mean that with the exception of it being coherent, it takes after the things you write?
And does "mere prose" have as many rhymes as this piece of mine does?
"2- Please correct UNCORRUPTED SONS and make it INCORRUPTED SONS. I would like to remind you that CORRUPTED takes the prefix IN and not UN."
It dpes? Perhaps you'll write to the authors of this entry in Merriam Webster
"uncorrupted adjective
Definition of uncorrupted
free from moral corruption : not debased or made corrupt"
and tell them how wrong they are to have implied that "corrupt" may be prefixed with "un".i
You mean that with the exception of it being coherent, it takes after the things you write?
And does "mere prose" have as many rhymes as this piece of mine does?
"2- Please correct UNCORRUPTED SONS and make it INCORRUPTED SONS. I would like to remind you that CORRUPTED takes the prefix IN and not UN."
It dpes? Perhaps you'll write to the authors of this entry in Merriam Webster
"uncorrupted adjective
Definition of uncorrupted
free from moral corruption : not debased or made corrupt"
and tell them how wrong they are to have implied that "corrupt" may be prefixed with "un".i
19th Oct 2022 12:06pm
I believe this was called the dark ages.
Thankfully, we’ve moved on a little since then. However, this piece did remind me of the contents of the Malleus Maleficarum — how women were demonised for their own sexual virtue. So yes, I’m rather thankful that time has moved on so that we haven’t all been burned at the stake.
In the spirit of honest critique, I think it would be a smoother ending to perhaps read “a woman who was not virtue led” rather than the “or not” at the end, as this feels like an afterthought which hinders the flow a little.
All my own opinions of course, and you don’t have to listen to any of it.
Thank you for sharing.
-M
Thankfully, we’ve moved on a little since then. However, this piece did remind me of the contents of the Malleus Maleficarum — how women were demonised for their own sexual virtue. So yes, I’m rather thankful that time has moved on so that we haven’t all been burned at the stake.
In the spirit of honest critique, I think it would be a smoother ending to perhaps read “a woman who was not virtue led” rather than the “or not” at the end, as this feels like an afterthought which hinders the flow a little.
All my own opinions of course, and you don’t have to listen to any of it.
Thank you for sharing.
-M
"In the spirit of honest critique, I think it would be a smoother ending to perhaps read “a woman who was not virtue led” rather than the “or not” at the end, as this feels like an afterthought which hinders the flow a little."
I take it that you meant to say that my piece would have had a smoother ending than it does now if I had written "a woman who was or was not virtue led" since the way you phrase the line ends up making it metrically clunky. In any case, my present wording was guided by what J-Z has noted, if only by implication, is stylistically good.
But if you think it is not, then it seems to me that you are obliged to say that a lot of what J-Z submits to DUP is poorly written.
And did the authors of the MM really demonize women because they were chaste? Wasn't it because they regarded woman as temptresses by nature and that men were by nature poor weak things who could not resist having "impure thoughts" when they were in the presence of women?
I take it that you meant to say that my piece would have had a smoother ending than it does now if I had written "a woman who was or was not virtue led" since the way you phrase the line ends up making it metrically clunky. In any case, my present wording was guided by what J-Z has noted, if only by implication, is stylistically good.
But if you think it is not, then it seems to me that you are obliged to say that a lot of what J-Z submits to DUP is poorly written.
And did the authors of the MM really demonize women because they were chaste? Wasn't it because they regarded woman as temptresses by nature and that men were by nature poor weak things who could not resist having "impure thoughts" when they were in the presence of women?
19th Oct 2022 12:41pm
19th Oct 2022 3:22pm
"No dictionary can make CORRUPTED prefixed with UN, "
No dictionary **makes** "corrupted" prefixed by "in". What dictionaries that have an entry on "uncorrupted" do is show that the word IS (and has for some time been) prefixed by "un", not to mention that "incorrupted" is something of an obsolete word whose primary meaning was "not subject to physical, decay".
No dictionary **makes** "corrupted" prefixed by "in". What dictionaries that have an entry on "uncorrupted" do is show that the word IS (and has for some time been) prefixed by "un", not to mention that "incorrupted" is something of an obsolete word whose primary meaning was "not subject to physical, decay".
Dear Missy,
I personally consider that women are better than men in this concern because they depend on their minds more than men; moreover, men in most cases are the tempters.
I personally consider that women are better than men in this concern because they depend on their minds more than men; moreover, men in most cases are the tempters.
19th Oct 2022 4:57pm
But isn't it the case that in your culture women are regarded as temptresses and need to have their bodies covered up and are restricted in the amount of time they may appear in public , let alone in places where men congregate?
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… I really couldn’t give less of a crap about metrics. I do however read poems out loud, and that line does sound clunky. I only know what I hear.
As expressed, it is mere opinion. You don’t have to listen to it. 😌
The Malleus (written in the 1400’s by Catholic clergymen I might add) actually demonised all women as deviants and sorceresses regardless of being chaste or not.
For example, a woman could be prosecuted for having red hair. For wearing colour on her lips. For many issues to do with her bleed.
It was the literary basis of the witch hysteria of the 1600’s. The biggest attack on women in English history. So to go back to a time of ‘sexual purity’ is actually a time of extreme repression, especially in English history.
One that I’m glad we’ve moved on from, speaking as a woman.
-M
As expressed, it is mere opinion. You don’t have to listen to it. 😌
The Malleus (written in the 1400’s by Catholic clergymen I might add) actually demonised all women as deviants and sorceresses regardless of being chaste or not.
For example, a woman could be prosecuted for having red hair. For wearing colour on her lips. For many issues to do with her bleed.
It was the literary basis of the witch hysteria of the 1600’s. The biggest attack on women in English history. So to go back to a time of ‘sexual purity’ is actually a time of extreme repression, especially in English history.
One that I’m glad we’ve moved on from, speaking as a woman.
-M
19th Oct 2022 5:40pm
"So to go back to a time of ‘sexual purity’ is actually a time of extreme repression, especially in English history. "
This time of repression was not a time in which the only people who had sex were married couples, let alone couples who believed and abided by the thought that the only purpose sex should (and did) have was to produce children.
This time of repression was not a time in which the only people who had sex were married couples, let alone couples who believed and abided by the thought that the only purpose sex should (and did) have was to produce children.
19th Oct 2022 5:52pm
To be fair though… that attitude still exists today, especially in religious organisations. So I guess we’re still living it. Sadly.
-M
-M
19th Oct 2022 6:51pm
"The Malleus (written in the 1400’s
"
First printed in 1486
"by Catholic clergymen"
by two Dominican monks -- Jakob Sprenger, Dean of Cologne University and Heinrich Kramer.
"demonised [sic] all women as deviants and sorceresses regardless of being chaste or not."
Would you please point me to the places in the MM in which this is done..
19th Oct 2022 6:55pm
Dude… I’d have to quote you like the whole Malleus… 😂
If you would like to view it, I believe it is available second hand on Amazon for pennies.
-M
If you would like to view it, I believe it is available second hand on Amazon for pennies.
-M
I have a copy of it and I fail to see when looking at what its pages speak of that what you say is to be seen is spoken of on most, if not every one, of them actually appears there..
The issue isn't when people had that attitude. It whether there ever was a time and place in which that attitude was subscribed to and put into practice by everyone existing at that time and in that place.
The answer is no.
The answer is no.
