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Dear Baldwin,
You wait for me to write. Then, you take my subject and write about it. Where are your original ideas? Are you waiting for me to give you your subjects. Nearly all your writings depend on imitating J.Z.

" Nearly all your writings depend on imitating J.Z."

Another lie.

To write about the subjects you write about is NOT imitating you.  

If I were to imitate you, my submissions would be full of bad punctuation, solecisms, grammar gaffes, limited and repetitive vocabulary, incoherencies, inversions, and forced rhyme, and be imageless, all-tell    no-show compositions.

I never tell a lie, Baldwin. Be truthful with yourself. Honesty is the best policy.

You lied about writing "mirth" . in your WHAT'S THE SECRET OF THE CHANGE?    And you've never backed up your false claim that most of what I submit here is inspired by your submissions.  And then you said that ALL the "poets" here are skilled in grammar.  And you've put words I did not say in my mouth so you could score some points against me.  
   
Here's the list of all of my submissions to DUP.    Please point out which ones have been "inspired" by things you have written  Or at least say precisely how many of them have been (i.e., give the precise number)..  
   
(cue the crickets or the excuses not to do what a person who makes claims is responsible for doing when the claim is challenged.)  
   
 Can I trust my dear life to a re-occurrence of what happened to me in the past?  
 10th Month 2 likes  
 A Challenge to J-Z 1 like  
 A Challenge to J-Z -- and anyone else here who might find it fun to imitate Byron, Yeats, et. al. 1 reading list 1 like  
 A Ditty for Pharaoh 1 like  
 A Ditty on The Wages of Cheating 2 likes  
 A Kind of Sonnent 1 like  
 A Kind of Sonnet 1 like  
 A memory from long ago of Lee  
 A memory of GF 1 reading list 2 likes  
 A Pilgrim to the Trove of You 1 reading list 1 like  
 A poem for you 2 likes  
 A Renewed Challenge to J-Z 2 likes  
 A Riff on Catullus 1 reading list 3 likes  
 A Steven-esque  
 A summoning 1 like  
 absence 2 likes  
 Absent Friends 1 like  
 Absolution 1 like  
 Abused 1 reading list 1 like  
 Adam 2 likes  
 After the Annunciation  
 After Thomas Hardy's Oxen 2 likes  
 After Thomas Wyatt 1 reading list 1 like  
 afterlife? 1 like  
 Aftermath 1 reading list 3 likes  
 age  
 Age 1 like  
 Aging 1 like  
 Ah Gabriel 1 reading list 1 like  
 Ah you! 2 likes  
 All This to Have 1 reading list 2 likes  
 An Alexandrine Challenge  
 An Emulation of  Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet" 2 likes  
 An Emulation of Ovid  
 An Etheree 1 reading list 1 like  
 An Etheree on September 2 likes  
 An Inner Monologue  
 Angel  
 Angels' Song 1 like  
 Annunciation 1 like  
 Another about Gilly  
 Another Ditty 1 like  
 Another for Anne-C  
 another kiss 1 like  
 another on J-Z  
 approaching another birthday 1 like  
 As He Lay Dying 1 reading list 1 like  
 As I decorate my Christmas tree  
 As You Slept 3 likes  
 Ash Wednesday 1 like  
 Ash Wednesday 2 2 likes  
 At First Sight  
 At Glastonbury  
 At Night 3 likes  
 Augustine's Mistake 1 like  
 Autumn Emptiness 1 like  
 Autumn in Sherwood  
 awe 1 like  
 Ballerina 1 reading list 1 like  
 Be Gone!  
 Because of you 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Before 1 like  
 Belly Dancer  
 Bring me at this time of year, 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Calvary 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Cathedrals  
 Chastity  
 Christmas Tide  
 Circe 2 likes  
 Come 1 like  
 Come Dance With Me 1 like  
 Concepts without Percepts  
 Culprit Moon 1 like  
 Damn you, Woman 1 like  
 Day by Day 1 like  
 Derbyed Men  
 Desire 2 reading lists 4 likes  
 distance  
 Dity  
 Do Not Come With Me 1 like  
 Does death deprive? 1 reading list 1 like  
 Does God Care for Ghosts?  
 Dreams 1 like  
 Dreams 1 reading list 1 like  
 Dreams 1 like  
 Ekphrasis  
 Eliot 2 likes  
 Esker's Crest 1 reading list 3 likes  
 explorer 1 like  
 eyes 1 like  
 Farmer and his gun  
 Fire eyes  
 Fog 1 reading list 1 like  
 For Anne-C  
 For J-Z 1 reading list 1 like  
 For Robert Herrick 1 like  
 For Summer 3 likes  
 Gaining the World 1 like  
 Giotto's Angel 2 reading lists 2 likes  
 Give Me Now your Kiss 1 like  
 Gladiators 2 likes  
 Gloria 1 like  
 God  
 God and suffering  
 God Help Me Now 1 like  
 God is not Good: Bad Theology  
 God's Loaves  
 Golgatha  
 Golgatha 3 likes  
 Golgotha  
 Grey Wing 1 reading list 4 likes  
 Growing Old  
 Ha Satan 1 like  
 Haiku on one of my cats 1 like  
 Healing 1 reading list 2 likes  
 her crotch 1 like  
 Her Hands  
 Her laugh 2 likes  
 Here 2 likes  
 Here's What Comes from Remembering the Past  
 Hey Joseph-Z 1 like  
 him? 1 like  
 His Cold Fish  (for J-Z who won't answer the question of whether he's been desired by women) 2 likes  
 How Can I Make you Believe? 2 likes  
 How I Wish It Were So 1 reading list 2 likes  
 How Many Times?  
 How should I Pray? 3 likes  
 How will you know 1 reading list 3 likes  
 How Will You Know? 1 like  
 I am religious 3 likes  
 I am religious (revised) 2 reading lists 3 likes  
 I Cannot Understand This Thing Called Soul  
 I could not be sad?  
 I Dreamed a Dream 1 like  
 I know there were no angels then 1 like  
 I Often Sit for Hours 1 reading list 1 like  
 I remember 1 reading list 3 likes  
 I require my woman be ...  
 I Shall Not Share 1 reading list 2 likes  
 I Shall Place My Palms 2 likes  
 I shall pretend 1 reading list 5 likes  
 I want your mouth 1 reading list 3 likes  
 I Will Kiss You With My Voice  
 I wonder 1 reading list 3 likes  
 I Wonder If 1 like  
 I'll Not be Obedient to Life 1 reading list 1 like  
 If I could be there 3 reading lists 4 likes  
 If I should craft new lullabies for you 1 reading list 1 like  
 If I should craft some lullabies for you 2 reading lists 2 likes  
 If You Wish It So  
 In Emulation of Ovid  
 In the Brightest of My Rooms 1 like  
 In Want of Words 1 like  
 Incarnation 1 like  
 Indecency 1 like  
 Indolence 1 like  
 Irony 1 like  
 It's Early Morning Now 3 likes  
 J-Z and Eroticism  
 J-Z and his "If"  
 jealous of his "poetry" 1 like  
 Jealousy 1 like  
 Jesus Cannot Take my Loneliness Away 1 like  
 Jesus' love  
 Joseph's claims  
 Joseph's criterion for what makes a poem "great"  
 Joseph's Dilemma 1 like  
 Joseph's Response 2 likes  
 kiss 2 likes  
 Kiss 2 likes  
 Kiss Me Now 2 likes  
 La Belle Dame sans Merci  
 Laura  
 Lazarus 1 like  
 Liar?  
 Lies 1 like  
 light 1 reading list 2 likes  
 lines 1 like  
 little bastard 1 like  
 Loneliness is a Fish 1 like  
 Longing 2 reading lists 5 likes  
 Magi 1 reading list 1 like  
 Manna from heaven  
 Mary 1 like  
 Mazmer 1 like  
 Memorial Day 1 like  
 Memorial Day  
 Memories of Oxford Things  
 Mitigation  
 Mortality  
 Mother Mary 1 like  
 Moths to Flame 1 reading list 2 likes  
 My heart 1 like  
 My Heart and Song 1 like  
 My hope for J-Z  
 My new cat 1 reading list 1 like  
 My pissed off Muse 4 likes  
 My Ram 1 like  
 My Skin is Taught 1 reading list 1 like  
 Nativity  
 night 2 likes  
 No Ambiguity 1 reading list 1 like  
 No Jewels 2 likes  
 Nostalgia 1 like  
 Not Soon Enough  
 not voiced  
 November's Trees 1 like  
 Odysseus the Liar 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Oedipus at Thebes  
 Old Men and the Sea  
 Old Simeon 1 like  
 On J-Z's "From Hands to Hands"  
 On Rilke's New Year's Wish 1 like  
 On Yoolis Night  
 One God?  
 Only Jesus? 1 like  
 pale moon 1 like  
 Pan 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Parts and Wholes 1 like  
 Pity Leaves Me Wounded 1 like  
 poetical idea 2 likes  
 Poetry as Prosaic Ideas  
 Pope's Complaint  
 Quit Telling Me that Heaven Is My Home 1 like  
 Raising People from the Dead  
 Ravages  
 Regret 5 likes  
 remember, body  
 Restraint 2 likes  
 Resurrection  
 Retort  
 Romulus  
 September Now 2 likes  
 Sheryl 1 like  
 Should We Love What the Braggart Writes 2 likes  
 Signs of God 1 like  
 Sin? 5 likes  
 So many miles 1 reading list 3 likes  
 Some (would-be) poets do believe ... 1 like  
 Some naive  writers think 1 like  
 Song 1 reading list 4 likes  
 Song  
 Speaking to Clouds 1 like  
 Stage Fright  
 stages 2 likes  
 Subservience?  
 Sunrise Disturbed 1 reading list 3 likes  
 surprised 1 reading list 3 likes  
 Talentless 1 like  
 Tales of Camelot 1 like  
 Teach me Things  
 That isn't proof 1 reading list 2 likes  
 The Arrogance and Stupidity of Patriarchy 1 like  
 The Bene Elohim at Christmas 1 like  
 The Claim 1 like  
 The Cygnet 1 like  
 The Damning Present 1 like  
 The fallacy known as poisoning the well  
 The Glisten Gray 1 like  
 The Home of Words  
 The Intent of Mary's Words to Me 1 reading list 2 likes  
 the Moment Afterwards 1 reading list 2 likes  
 the narcissist J-Z!  
 The Necessity of Rhyme 1 like  
 the power 2 likes  
 the power of the vagina 1 reading list 1 like  
 The Purpose of Prayer 1 reading list 1 like  
 The Road to Camelot 1 like  
 The Source of Sin  
 The Sway of J-Z's Ego 2 reading lists 2 likes  
 The Traditions of the Best English Poets  
 The Usefulness of  Attachment to Jesus 1 reading list 1 like  
 the wages of age  
 There Have Been Times  
 There is a Saxon Church  
 There is Within Your Eyes 1 reading list 3 likes  
 These are the rough beginnings of my latter days 1 reading list 1 like  
 This Body 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Through a Glass Brightly 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Time of sexual purity 1 like  
 Time the Devourer 1 like  
 Tintagel 1 reading list 1 like  
 To Follow You 1 like  
 Touch 2 likes  
 Towards Cadbury 1 reading list 3 likes  
 truth 1 like  
 unremembered 1 like  
 veni, veni 1 reading list 1 like  
 want 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Was Jesus Uniquely "Great"?  
 Wasting Time Writing Complaining "Poetry" 1 like  
 Watching  
 We Stood Outside  
 We Toured the Autumned  Cotswold Lanes 1 like  
 What Did the Angel Proclaim?  
 What I didn't do  
 What I Want 2 likes  
 What I'd give 2 likes  
 What Is It That You Want? 1 reading list 1 like  
 What Links Heaven to the Earth?  
 What Shall I Do? 1 reading list 1 like  
 what to pray 2 likes  
 What was his boon? 1 reading list 1 like  
 What Would Be Done?  
 Where are we  headed to?  
 White Christmas?  
 Whose Bodies  
 Why Joseph Doesn't Write Arthurania  
 Why Remorse? 1 like  
 Will I sigh? 3 likes  
 Will One Be Happy In A  Ghostly  Realm?  
 With apologies to Anacreon  
 Within Our Nested Dark 1 reading list 3 likes  
 Within Your Eyes 1 reading list 1 like  
 worship 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Wounds at Agincourt  
 Wreathing 1 like  
 Wrinkles 2 likes  
 Yeas Ago 1 like  
 Yes, I Have an Answer 1 reading list 1 like  
 Yesterday  
 You asked 1 reading list 2 likes  
 you away 2 likes  
 You Did not Know It Then 2 likes  
 You Ought to Know 1 reading list 3 likes  
 You Thief! 1 like  
 your desire 1 reading list 1 like  
 Your evaluation, please 1 like  
 Your Eyes 1 reading list 1 like  
 Your Fingers 2 likes  
 Your Master 1 reading list 2 likes  
 Your Name 2 reading lists 2 likes  
 Your Searching Touch 3 likes  
 Your Touch 2 reading lists 2 likes  
 Your Words 1 reading list 2 likes  
 

I am not interested to an extent to check your writings. You know which are taken from J.Z., so you check them and tell me. It seems to me you have plenty of time and are puzzled how to spend it.

Your claim.  Your responsibility to back it up.  And of course, the reason that you are providing this flimsy excuse (it would take too much time) for not doing so is that you know that if you did as I asked, you'd be shown to be the liar you are.

Cue the ad hominems.

Stop saying LIAR. I don't know why you are accustomed to saying this word.

Stop lying -- especially about the fact that you haven't lied -- and I will.

And I am not "accustomed" to saying it.  I use it when it is appropriate.

And l will= you mean you will stop lying. I never lie, Baldwin. It's a sin to lie.

"And l will= you mean you will stop lying."

No.  I meant I will stop using the word "liar" to describe you

"I never lie, Baldwin. It's a sin to lie."

You are lying now.  Did you not deny that you used the word "mirth" in your WHAT'S THE SECRET OF THE CHANGE?  when you did?

Have you not lied when you claimed (more than once) that most, if not all,  of my submissions are inspired by things you've written?

Is this a lie? What you are writing are terrible lies.

So you didn't ever use the word "mirth" (twice) in your original posting of WHAT'S THE SECRET OF THE CHANGE?  That is to say,  this is not what appeared in your original posting to this thread?.    
     
"They beheld in Christ the might      
that could make their world so cheap      
when compared with what He'd done    
that submerged their hearts with mirth."    
 
And are you saying that you did not edit your text to replace "mirth" with "bliss"?    
     
 
Will you deny that you did indeed deny using the word "mirth" and that you were committing a lie when you denied you did.?    
     
And will you deny that you have claimed without proof that most or all of my submissions have been inspired by yours even though you know that isn't the case?    
     
Will you deny that you have claimed that I said things I did not say?