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HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
I have to think of that great Lord,
and His soft feelings when l pray.
Jesus loves me with all his might.
He knows my heart as there He stays.
He's in my heart but also stood
so firm as He assisted me
when l was caught by those who tried
to injure me, a frightened prey.
I recall it when that hard test
alarmed me and destroyed my nerves.
The closest friends made me their laugh;
Christ was the One Who would me save.
How can l be but full of trust
that He will never my side leave.
I should not care for what to say,
but for my plea with lots of love.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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I have to think of that great Lord,
and His soft feelings when l pray.
Jesus loves me with all his might.
He knows my heart as there He stays.
He's in my heart but also stood
so firm as He assisted me
when l was caught by those who tried
to injure me, a frightened prey.
I recall it when that hard test
alarmed me and destroyed my nerves.
The closest friends made me their laugh;
Christ was the One Who would me save.
How can l be but full of trust
that He will never my side leave.
I should not care for what to say,
but for my plea with lots of love.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
____________________________________
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
3rd Jul 2022 7:36pm
A lovely poem of prayer and faith and the feeling of having a saviour. We believe that God the father is the ultimate saviour. Kudos for the poem!
Plz also read and comment my newest poem too.
Plz also read and comment my newest poem too.
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8th Jul 2022 2:47pm
"A lovely poem of prayer and faith and the feeling of having a saviour. We believe that God the father is the ultimate saviour."
Even if this poorly written piece is a "lovely poem", it is not on point. Where does it deal with the subject of "how one should pray" when one feels compelled to do so?
It seems that your criteria for determining whether something is a lovely poem have nothing to do with whether it uses poetic devices felicitously and is well written, but whether you like its subject matter.
Even if this poorly written piece is a "lovely poem", it is not on point. Where does it deal with the subject of "how one should pray" when one feels compelled to do so?
It seems that your criteria for determining whether something is a lovely poem have nothing to do with whether it uses poetic devices felicitously and is well written, but whether you like its subject matter.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
3rd Jul 2022 8:15pm
Thank you very much, Zaynab. Your comment is a great encouragement to me. I'll read your poem and comment on it.
Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
5th Jul 2022 9:27pm
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"Lozzamus
It's a very moving poem"
Even if this is "a very moving poem", it is not on point. Where does it spell out what its title says it is going to spell out, i.e., "how one should pray" when one feels compelled to do so?
It seems that your criteria for determining whether something is a "moving" poem, let alone an emotionally effective one, have nothing to do with whether its author uses poetic devices felicitously and is well written, and goes beyond declarative sentences to actually make a reader experience what the poem's author is feeling. but whether you like its subject matter.
Furthermore, your praise of the incohesive way that JZ writes insutes that he will continue to write so sloppily.
It's a very moving poem"
Even if this is "a very moving poem", it is not on point. Where does it spell out what its title says it is going to spell out, i.e., "how one should pray" when one feels compelled to do so?
It seems that your criteria for determining whether something is a "moving" poem, let alone an emotionally effective one, have nothing to do with whether its author uses poetic devices felicitously and is well written, and goes beyond declarative sentences to actually make a reader experience what the poem's author is feeling. but whether you like its subject matter.
Furthermore, your praise of the incohesive way that JZ writes insutes that he will continue to write so sloppily.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
5th Jul 2022 9:33pm
Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
Once again the subject of your text is NOT what your title says it’s going to be. The subject of your awkwardly rhymed and deictic-laden series of what are essentially declarative sentences is who you feel you have to think about when you pray. But this has nothing to do with finding out what manner or style of prayer your prayer should be formed in.
You try to say something about this at the end of your submission, but to say that “
[you] should not care for what to say,
is insulting since it verges on babbling and anyone who prays should be mindful of what they say. Careless speech is not good prayer.
and your line:
“but for my plea with lots of love”
Is solecistic. It needed to have been written "but for my plea to be filled with lots of love" for it to be comprehensible, let alone good English.
You try to say something about this at the end of your submission, but to say that “
[you] should not care for what to say,
is insulting since it verges on babbling and anyone who prays should be mindful of what they say. Careless speech is not good prayer.
and your line:
“but for my plea with lots of love”
Is solecistic. It needed to have been written "but for my plea to be filled with lots of love" for it to be comprehensible, let alone good English.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
7th Jul 2022 9:54am
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My interest is in how, after being told over and over that you have a penchant for creating disjunctions between the titles you give to your submissions and the text that follows them and how you set up expectations that you do not meet, still you persist in don't so.
More importantly, you prescind from dealing with my comments and/or from showing why you think they have no basis in fact if you think that they do not.
More importantly, you prescind from dealing with my comments and/or from showing why you think they have no basis in fact if you think that they do not.
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8th Jul 2022 12:42pm
"Thank you very much, Baldwin, for your great interest."
Thank you very much for once again being irresponsible in not acknowledging that I made remarks about this submission of yours let alone not dealing with them.
Thank you very much for once again being irresponsible in not acknowledging that I made remarks about this submission of yours let alone not dealing with them.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
7th Jul 2022 2:17pm
1-l have great trust and confidence that He loves me very much, and what He wants is just my love. Whatever l say to Him about what l want from Him, in any way possible, He accepts it from me as long as l express my love to Him. Don't you know, Baldwin, that the Letter kills, and the Soul or the Spiritual meaning gives life.
2-How should l pray? Whatever l say, He accepts it as long as l love Him.
2-How should l pray? Whatever l say, He accepts it as long as l love Him.
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Once again you haven't addressed the remark I made about how there is almost always a disjunction between the titles you use for your submissions and the subject of what you go on to write about.
(And you certainly haven't shown in any way that my remark about how poorly written your last line is is wrong).
Telling me that you are sure Jesus loves you has nothing to with how you persist in creating expectations with your titles that you do not fulfill. Being unable to stick to the subject a writer indicates is going to be his topic shows that that writer is not very accomplished.
Moreover, telling me that Jesus accepts whatever escapes your lips as long as your utterance shows that you love him does NOT answer such "how" to pray questions as how long your prayer should be, whether it is to be uttered in silence, whether it is to be repetitive, whether it is to be uttered several times a day, whether it should follow a standardized formula.
And is the issue really whether Jesus "accepts" any prayer from you? Isn't it whether he will answer you?
(And you certainly haven't shown in any way that my remark about how poorly written your last line is is wrong).
Telling me that you are sure Jesus loves you has nothing to with how you persist in creating expectations with your titles that you do not fulfill. Being unable to stick to the subject a writer indicates is going to be his topic shows that that writer is not very accomplished.
Moreover, telling me that Jesus accepts whatever escapes your lips as long as your utterance shows that you love him does NOT answer such "how" to pray questions as how long your prayer should be, whether it is to be uttered in silence, whether it is to be repetitive, whether it is to be uttered several times a day, whether it should follow a standardized formula.
And is the issue really whether Jesus "accepts" any prayer from you? Isn't it whether he will answer you?
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
9th Jul 2022 9:59pm
If I’m to pray to God
what are the “shoulds” the practices
to which I must be true
if I’m to do so properly?
Should I care
if what I want to say to him
is slurred and in content is
unspecified, a wordless groaning in the air?
Or should I be on point
with speech coherent and precise,
articulate
in my address to him?
And when I send my pleas to him
should I be standing up
as one must be
when one is in the presence of a king,
or sitting down
or set upon my knees
or bowing to the ground?
Should I tightly close my eyes
to summon up
a hot degree of fervency?
Should I be smiling then
in order to assure my pleadings will be heard
or sour-faced
with some uncertainty about
god’s willingness to grant
with speed just what I ask
be done for me?
Should I beat my breast and sigh,
especially before men’s eyes
in hopes that all might see
my piety?
Or should I do as Jesus said
that’ I’m to do
and go inside
an empty room
to pray in secret and in privacy?
Should I precede my prayer
by signing with my hand
my head and torso with
the cross?
And if I do, how then should I
my signage demonstrate:
from left to right as Roman Catholics do
or right to left as ritually demanded by
the Orthodox?
Should I, when I’m intent
to speak unto my god,
adopt the orant’s pose
with hands spread wide
and lifted up to heaven’s home
or should I set my palms together in
a pointed arch?
Should prayer take place
within a church
or in a mosque
or in some other dedicated holy space?
Should I make my time for prayer
a morning’s enterprise
or one that’s done throughout the day
(the Muslim way)
or when I am ready for my bed?
Are there certain words I need to use
to open up my prayer
and when I bring it to an end?
It seems to me
that all these things
need answering if you
possess desire to know
not what you are to feel
when sending any plea to God
but what requirements, protocols,
should be observed
for speaking to him properly.
what are the “shoulds” the practices
to which I must be true
if I’m to do so properly?
Should I care
if what I want to say to him
is slurred and in content is
unspecified, a wordless groaning in the air?
Or should I be on point
with speech coherent and precise,
articulate
in my address to him?
And when I send my pleas to him
should I be standing up
as one must be
when one is in the presence of a king,
or sitting down
or set upon my knees
or bowing to the ground?
Should I tightly close my eyes
to summon up
a hot degree of fervency?
Should I be smiling then
in order to assure my pleadings will be heard
or sour-faced
with some uncertainty about
god’s willingness to grant
with speed just what I ask
be done for me?
Should I beat my breast and sigh,
especially before men’s eyes
in hopes that all might see
my piety?
Or should I do as Jesus said
that’ I’m to do
and go inside
an empty room
to pray in secret and in privacy?
Should I precede my prayer
by signing with my hand
my head and torso with
the cross?
And if I do, how then should I
my signage demonstrate:
from left to right as Roman Catholics do
or right to left as ritually demanded by
the Orthodox?
Should I, when I’m intent
to speak unto my god,
adopt the orant’s pose
with hands spread wide
and lifted up to heaven’s home
or should I set my palms together in
a pointed arch?
Should prayer take place
within a church
or in a mosque
or in some other dedicated holy space?
Should I make my time for prayer
a morning’s enterprise
or one that’s done throughout the day
(the Muslim way)
or when I am ready for my bed?
Are there certain words I need to use
to open up my prayer
and when I bring it to an end?
It seems to me
that all these things
need answering if you
possess desire to know
not what you are to feel
when sending any plea to God
but what requirements, protocols,
should be observed
for speaking to him properly.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
PRAYER OR HOMEWORK
How strange they are when people speak
about their prayer like a piece
of homework which is flatly done
to teachers not to the First Cause.
The rubric tells them to do this
and not that if they want to show
that they have understood the rules
that give the grade to what they know.
It's strange to pray in such a way
that shows you're standing on the stage
acting a role which you don't mean
to show you're acting but not sage.
The prayer l say is heartfelt.
It shows that l love my dear Lord.
No matter what l say or do,
my love fills all my heart and mind.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
How strange they are when people speak
about their prayer like a piece
of homework which is flatly done
to teachers not to the First Cause.
The rubric tells them to do this
and not that if they want to show
that they have understood the rules
that give the grade to what they know.
It's strange to pray in such a way
that shows you're standing on the stage
acting a role which you don't mean
to show you're acting but not sage.
The prayer l say is heartfelt.
It shows that l love my dear Lord.
No matter what l say or do,
my love fills all my heart and mind.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
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Another refusal to acknowledge that the text of your submission does not fulfill the expectation that your title creates as well as a misreading of my text as if it was a statement about how one should pray rather than a series of questions about what is the proper way of doing so.
Moreover, you still haven't shown that my remark about how poorly the last line of your piece is written is off base..
Moreover, you still haven't shown that my remark about how poorly the last line of your piece is written is off base..
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Re: Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
10th Jul 2022 12:52pm
"How strange they are when people speak
about their prayer like a piece
of homework which is flatly done
to teachers not to the first cause."
Several points:
1. Who spoke about their prayer as if it were a piece of homework?
2. "of homework which is flatly done" is grammatically incorrect. As Grammarly notes, it should be "of homework THAT IS flatly done".
3. If you are speaking about my rejoinder to your poorly written piece, your claim that it is "flatly done" (whatever that means) needs to be demonstrated before anyone should believe that it is true.
4. Homework is not done TO teachers, let alone TO "the first cause"
5. As both Aristotle and Aquinas noted, the "first cause" is impersonal. So it would be unaware of any prayer that was addressed to it.
So once again, you demonstrate that you have little grasp of proper English, that you misread what texts actually sat, that you put words in a person's mouth and go on to use what he didn't say as the basis of your argument against him and that you are pretty ignorant when it comes to matters philosophical and theological.
about their prayer like a piece
of homework which is flatly done
to teachers not to the first cause."
Several points:
1. Who spoke about their prayer as if it were a piece of homework?
2. "of homework which is flatly done" is grammatically incorrect. As Grammarly notes, it should be "of homework THAT IS flatly done".
3. If you are speaking about my rejoinder to your poorly written piece, your claim that it is "flatly done" (whatever that means) needs to be demonstrated before anyone should believe that it is true.
4. Homework is not done TO teachers, let alone TO "the first cause"
5. As both Aristotle and Aquinas noted, the "first cause" is impersonal. So it would be unaware of any prayer that was addressed to it.
So once again, you demonstrate that you have little grasp of proper English, that you misread what texts actually sat, that you put words in a person's mouth and go on to use what he didn't say as the basis of your argument against him and that you are pretty ignorant when it comes to matters philosophical and theological.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
10th Jul 2022 1:01pm
Here's a question you'll probably not answer directly:
Are there no improper ways to pray?
Are there no improper ways to pray?
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
10th Jul 2022 2:28pm
Very dear Baldwin,
1- Grammar has rules, so l am going to write about your terrible understanding of grammar.
"of homework WHICH/ THAt is flatly done", Why is it wrong to use WHICH? I accuse you here that you don't know what you are talking about.
2- He does his homework to be given to a teacher. This is poetry, not prose, Baldwin.
1- Grammar has rules, so l am going to write about your terrible understanding of grammar.
"of homework WHICH/ THAt is flatly done", Why is it wrong to use WHICH? I accuse you here that you don't know what you are talking about.
2- He does his homework to be given to a teacher. This is poetry, not prose, Baldwin.
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"I accuse you here that you don't know what you are talking about."
Sorry, but according to a variety of sites that discuss when "which" is grammatically correct, it's you who doesn't know what he is talking about.
E.G.
"That" is used to indicate a specific object, item, person, condition, etc., while "which" is used to add information to objects, items, people, situations, etc. Because "which" indicates a non-restrictive (optional) clause, it is usually set off by commas before "which" and at the end of the clause.
See, too, https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/which-vs-that
https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/which-versus-that-0
"He does his homework to be given to a teacher."
But you didn't say that, did you?
"This is poetry, not prose, Baldwin".
What does that have to do with the fact that your line is solecistic and does not convey what you think you said?
That "this" is "poetry" is no excuse for the line in question being unclear. let alone for not being written at least as well as good prose.
Sorry, but according to a variety of sites that discuss when "which" is grammatically correct, it's you who doesn't know what he is talking about.
E.G.
"That" is used to indicate a specific object, item, person, condition, etc., while "which" is used to add information to objects, items, people, situations, etc. Because "which" indicates a non-restrictive (optional) clause, it is usually set off by commas before "which" and at the end of the clause.
See, too, https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/which-vs-that
https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/which-versus-that-0
"He does his homework to be given to a teacher."
But you didn't say that, did you?
"This is poetry, not prose, Baldwin".
What does that have to do with the fact that your line is solecistic and does not convey what you think you said?
That "this" is "poetry" is no excuse for the line in question being unclear. let alone for not being written at least as well as good prose.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
12th Jul 2022 2:45pm
I note that when you are shown that you are wrong on matters grammatical, you pretend as if the comment that demonstrates this was never posted on DUP. That way you can save face.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
12th Jul 2022 3:48pm
Very dear Baldwin,
No, Baldwin, you are wrong again. But l am surprised how you misunderstand this simple rule of grammar. In the restrictive or defining relative clause, we can use WHICH or THAT, and in the non restrictive or non defining, we should use WHICH only.. Please check this rule well before answering me. Here HOMEWORK is defining, so we can use both, WHICH and THAT.
No, Baldwin, you are wrong again. But l am surprised how you misunderstand this simple rule of grammar. In the restrictive or defining relative clause, we can use WHICH or THAT, and in the non restrictive or non defining, we should use WHICH only.. Please check this rule well before answering me. Here HOMEWORK is defining, so we can use both, WHICH and THAT.
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So is "which is flatly done to a teacher" simply an additional piece of information that (not which) may be eliminated from "people speak about their prayer like a piece of homework which is flatly done
to teachers..." without the sentence's meaning being altered, or is it vital to make the point you are trying to make about the nature of a submission that nobody wrote?
to teachers..." without the sentence's meaning being altered, or is it vital to make the point you are trying to make about the nature of a submission that nobody wrote?
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
12th Jul 2022 8:11pm
Very dear Baldwin,
Don't change the subject. We are talking about using WHICH or THAT. What nationality are you? Don't say it is not my business. Your knowledge of grammar is terrible.
Don't change the subject. We are talking about using WHICH or THAT. What nationality are you? Don't say it is not my business. Your knowledge of grammar is terrible.
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I haven't changed the subject, The issue is that since your phrase "... is flatly done to a teacher" cannot be left out of your sentence without making it nonsense, the required pronoun is "that".
Rule for using That instead of Which
The general rule requires that you use that only to introduce a restrictive (or defining) relative clause, which identifies the person or thing being talked about. For example,
The building that I was telling you about is just down the road.
In this sentence, the phrase that I was telling you about specifically identifies the object in the previous phrase (building) and is a restrictive clause. In this use, that should never be preceded by a comma because the word is an integral (non-optional) part of the description.
Similar examples include:
My books that have red covers are new.
The classes that are held every Monday start at 9:00 AM.
Note that the subject of the restrictive clause can change "that" to "who", "when" and "where" for correct usage. Use who for a person, when for a time period and where as a substitute for "that place". For example:
The man who shot Lincoln jumped onto the theater's stage.
Remember the time when I fell off the ladder?
Billy went to where they sell turkey eggs.
Rule for using Which instead of That
On the other hand, use which with non-restrictive (or non-defining) clauses. These are clauses providing additional information about something that has already been identified in the context. In this use, which is always preceded by a comma and a comma is placed after the restrictive clause ends (if the sentence continues).
https://tinyurl.com/36ef7usv
What nationality are you? If you are not American or British, then I do not trust you to know English grammar as well as a native speaker or someone who holds a PhD in English composition -- which you don't.
Rule for using That instead of Which
The general rule requires that you use that only to introduce a restrictive (or defining) relative clause, which identifies the person or thing being talked about. For example,
The building that I was telling you about is just down the road.
In this sentence, the phrase that I was telling you about specifically identifies the object in the previous phrase (building) and is a restrictive clause. In this use, that should never be preceded by a comma because the word is an integral (non-optional) part of the description.
Similar examples include:
My books that have red covers are new.
The classes that are held every Monday start at 9:00 AM.
Note that the subject of the restrictive clause can change "that" to "who", "when" and "where" for correct usage. Use who for a person, when for a time period and where as a substitute for "that place". For example:
The man who shot Lincoln jumped onto the theater's stage.
Remember the time when I fell off the ladder?
Billy went to where they sell turkey eggs.
Rule for using Which instead of That
On the other hand, use which with non-restrictive (or non-defining) clauses. These are clauses providing additional information about something that has already been identified in the context. In this use, which is always preceded by a comma and a comma is placed after the restrictive clause ends (if the sentence continues).
https://tinyurl.com/36ef7usv
What nationality are you? If you are not American or British, then I do not trust you to know English grammar as well as a native speaker or someone who holds a PhD in English composition -- which you don't.
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
12th Jul 2022 9:05pm
You mean to say, " Since the relative clause is DEFINING RELATIVE CLAUSE, the subordinating conjunction required is THAT only?"
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You mean to say, " Since the relative clause is DEFINING RELATIVE CLAUSE, the subordinating conjunction required is THAT only".
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12th Jul 2022 10:01pm
"Since the relative clause is DEFINING RELATIVE CLAUSE,...".
Proper English would have been "Since the relative clause is A defining relative clause, ...".
Proper English would have been "Since the relative clause is A defining relative clause, ...".
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Re. HOW SHOULD I PRAY?
12th Jul 2022 10:21pm
Why don't you answer the question? You look for goofs to avoid answering it. Don't you see your own goofs?
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Wow! You admit that you make goofs! I thought you were incapable of making goofs given your purported mastery of writing and of English.
In any case, you've got to ask your question correctly for it to be answered. And the correct way to begin it IS "Since the relative clause is A defining relative clause, ...".
Show me -- by quoting from a recognized authoritative English Grammar -- that what you ask is not the case.
In any case, you've got to ask your question correctly for it to be answered. And the correct way to begin it IS "Since the relative clause is A defining relative clause, ...".
Show me -- by quoting from a recognized authoritative English Grammar -- that what you ask is not the case.
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