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THE SAMPLE
THE SAMPLE
What you will see in your next life
and what you see in your night dream
are both your deeds of daily life
which night and heaven give them gleam.
Same fibre has the dream you have
with life up there; they're both divine.
What you with full intention do
gives after effects of the wine.
That is the sky that you aspire
to live in when life gets sheer night.
Heaven and dreams will show your acts;
what's done before becomes so bright.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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What you will see in your next life
and what you see in your night dream
are both your deeds of daily life
which night and heaven give them gleam.
Same fibre has the dream you have
with life up there; they're both divine.
What you with full intention do
gives after effects of the wine.
That is the sky that you aspire
to live in when life gets sheer night.
Heaven and dreams will show your acts;
what's done before becomes so bright.
BY JOSEPH ZENIEH
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
____________________________________
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Re. THE SAMPLE
You wrote:
Same fibre has the dream you have
with life up there; they're both divine.
What you with full intention do
gives after effects of the wine.
Four questions:
Which "thread or filament from which a vegetable tissue, mineral substance, or textile is formed" or "strength of character" or "Dietary material containing substances such as cellulose, lignin, and pectin, that are resistant to the action of digestive enzymes" (https://www.lexico.com/definition/fibre) is the "same fibre" that has the dream that the person you are addressing has?
Does, let alone can, a "fiber" have dreams?
Isn't your line "gives after effects of the wine" clunky in its rhythm? After all, it scans
gives AFter efFECTS of the WINE.
And isn't "the wine" a good example of deixis?
Shall we wager how many of these questions will be answered directly and without red herrings and/or ad hominem remarks?
Same fibre has the dream you have
with life up there; they're both divine.
What you with full intention do
gives after effects of the wine.
Four questions:
Which "thread or filament from which a vegetable tissue, mineral substance, or textile is formed" or "strength of character" or "Dietary material containing substances such as cellulose, lignin, and pectin, that are resistant to the action of digestive enzymes" (https://www.lexico.com/definition/fibre) is the "same fibre" that has the dream that the person you are addressing has?
Does, let alone can, a "fiber" have dreams?
Isn't your line "gives after effects of the wine" clunky in its rhythm? After all, it scans
gives AFter efFECTS of the WINE.
And isn't "the wine" a good example of deixis?
Shall we wager how many of these questions will be answered directly and without red herrings and/or ad hominem remarks?
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Re. THE SAMPLE
2nd Sep 2020 10:57pm
I find that no one of the questions is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical. This is not dodging your questions, but the truth.
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"I find that no one of the questions is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical. This is not dodging your questions, but the truth."
Ah yes, the "labeling my questions as not worth answering" card! And shouldn't this labeling have read "I find that noT one of the questions ..."?
I take that you are aware that when you note (without an ounce of evidence or demonstration) that they are "nonsensical" , you are claiming that it's true that "fiber", let alone the "same fibre", has dreams and that the meter of your last line of the stanza I quoted is regular and not clunky?
And is it's also true that one's Night dream" is always about one's deeds? And does this dream always gleam? Or is it -- at least -- sometimes -- dark?
Ah yes, the "labeling my questions as not worth answering" card! And shouldn't this labeling have read "I find that noT one of the questions ..."?
I take that you are aware that when you note (without an ounce of evidence or demonstration) that they are "nonsensical" , you are claiming that it's true that "fiber", let alone the "same fibre", has dreams and that the meter of your last line of the stanza I quoted is regular and not clunky?
And is it's also true that one's Night dream" is always about one's deeds? And does this dream always gleam? Or is it -- at least -- sometimes -- dark?
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4th Sep 2020 7:15pm
You wrote:
"I find that no one of the questions [you asked] is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical."
How is the question "Does, let alone can, a "fiber" have dreams?" nonsensical? After all, you have claimed that fibres do have them.
And why is this question:
Isn't your line "gives after effects of the wine" clunky in its rhythm?
nonsensical? Is my reading of how it scans -- to wit:
gives AFter efFECTS of the WINE.
off the mark, let alone unwarranted especially in the light of your claims that your submissions are always well rhythmed?
"I find that no one of the questions [you asked] is worth answering, my friend. They are nonsensical."
How is the question "Does, let alone can, a "fiber" have dreams?" nonsensical? After all, you have claimed that fibres do have them.
And why is this question:
Isn't your line "gives after effects of the wine" clunky in its rhythm?
nonsensical? Is my reading of how it scans -- to wit:
gives AFter efFECTS of the WINE.
off the mark, let alone unwarranted especially in the light of your claims that your submissions are always well rhythmed?
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Re. THE SAMPLE
3rd Sep 2020 8:34am
Don't correct when you are not sure, Baldwin. No question of your questions is worth answering. Here No is a determiner, but l say ONE to avoid repeating QUESTION.
If l say NOT ONE, I change the meaning. Please explain, and don't use references because l will not bother myself to find them, if you don't mind.
If l say NOT ONE, I change the meaning. Please explain, and don't use references because l will not bother myself to find them, if you don't mind.
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So besides the fact that you have begged the question by assuming what needs to be proven, what you are saying when you say "no one of your questions is worth answering" is that all of them ARE worth answering.
And once again you have avoided speaking to what I wrote when I noted that
"I take that you are aware that when you note (without an ounce of evidence or demonstration) that they are "nonsensical" , you are claiming that it's true that "fiber", let alone the "same fibre", has dreams and that the meter of your last line of the stanza I quoted is regular and not clunky?
And is it's also true that one's Night dream" is always about one's deeds? And does this dream always gleam? Or is it -- at least -- sometimes -- dark?"
And once again you have avoided speaking to what I wrote when I noted that
"I take that you are aware that when you note (without an ounce of evidence or demonstration) that they are "nonsensical" , you are claiming that it's true that "fiber", let alone the "same fibre", has dreams and that the meter of your last line of the stanza I quoted is regular and not clunky?
And is it's also true that one's Night dream" is always about one's deeds? And does this dream always gleam? Or is it -- at least -- sometimes -- dark?"
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Re. THE SAMPLE
3rd Sep 2020 4:14pm
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
I'd say that you've misquoted yourself (as you oft, illegitimately, do me -- without apology when I point this out to you), since what you wrote was "no one of the questionS".
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Re. THE SAMPLE
3rd Sep 2020 4:50pm
What I see at night in dreams
is often without any God touched gleam
or tinge of heavened happiness.
Nor is the fibrous substance of my visioning
the things I did throughout my day.
It’s often (more than not) a conjuring
of longing, heart wrenched thoughts about
the things that never happened in my life
that never came to me,
that is to say, they’re mostly
moving images of deprivations deep
and harrowing.
THAT’S what I have dreams about
when I have gone to sleep.
And I imagine this is so
for every other dreamer too.
To say it’s always steeped in something bright
shows one has little grasp
of what occurs in dreams at night,
let alone what one is destined
to perceive or made to feel
if there’s an afterlife.
is often without any God touched gleam
or tinge of heavened happiness.
Nor is the fibrous substance of my visioning
the things I did throughout my day.
It’s often (more than not) a conjuring
of longing, heart wrenched thoughts about
the things that never happened in my life
that never came to me,
that is to say, they’re mostly
moving images of deprivations deep
and harrowing.
THAT’S what I have dreams about
when I have gone to sleep.
And I imagine this is so
for every other dreamer too.
To say it’s always steeped in something bright
shows one has little grasp
of what occurs in dreams at night,
let alone what one is destined
to perceive or made to feel
if there’s an afterlife.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
I was taught by nuns severe
that what I’d see
upon the off-chance that I got to heaven
was nothing more and nothing less
than all the splendid glory of
the beatific vision.
My eyes would not be filled
with highlights of my earthly life,
or any pictures of the things
within the world I’d done.
Instead, it would be with
the ever awesome sighting of
the throne of God
and He who sits on it
and next to him his Spirit
and his son.
And if that's true, your claim
of what within the afterlife
I'll there be privy to
is simply wrong, untrue,
and not to mention grounded in
some bad and ill informed theology .
that what I’d see
upon the off-chance that I got to heaven
was nothing more and nothing less
than all the splendid glory of
the beatific vision.
My eyes would not be filled
with highlights of my earthly life,
or any pictures of the things
within the world I’d done.
Instead, it would be with
the ever awesome sighting of
the throne of God
and He who sits on it
and next to him his Spirit
and his son.
And if that's true, your claim
of what within the afterlife
I'll there be privy to
is simply wrong, untrue,
and not to mention grounded in
some bad and ill informed theology .
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Re. THE SAMPLE
3rd Sep 2020 5:55pm
Baldwin, do you consider this writing poetry? If you write the same ideas in full lines, you find it mere prose. It's prose cut into unfinished lines.
What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?
What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?
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"Baldwin, do you consider this writing poetry? If you write the same ideas in full lines, you find it mere prose. It's prose cut into unfinished lines."
Before I accept your evaluation of the above, you'll have to show me that it doesn't contain what you say a writing has to have to be poetry, i.e., regular and consistent rhythm (which your piece lacks) and rhyme. Can you do this? (Cue the response about how you don't have the time to so so).
And which lines of mine are "unfinished"? (Cue the neglect of this question).
"What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?"
If you'll look above, you'll see that I **have** addressed it.
I'd ask why it is that YOU have neglected the questions I asked you before you raised yours about "no one...", but it's quite clear why you haven't. You lack the ability to speak directly to them.
Before I accept your evaluation of the above, you'll have to show me that it doesn't contain what you say a writing has to have to be poetry, i.e., regular and consistent rhythm (which your piece lacks) and rhyme. Can you do this? (Cue the response about how you don't have the time to so so).
And which lines of mine are "unfinished"? (Cue the neglect of this question).
"What about NO ONE and NOT ONE of the questions? Why do you neglect it?"
If you'll look above, you'll see that I **have** addressed it.
I'd ask why it is that YOU have neglected the questions I asked you before you raised yours about "no one...", but it's quite clear why you haven't. You lack the ability to speak directly to them.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
3rd Sep 2020 7:12pm
Hey Joseph-Z,
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
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Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 3:45am
I suppose this Baldwin may have a point or two. But this discussion is giving me a headache. True, we all can cut some poems to pieces but I prefer (usually) to stay away from interminable stuff. We are not in some literature class.
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Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 4:11am
"I suppose this Baldwin may have a point or two. But this discussion is giving me a headache."
What discussion? J-Z has refused to discuss the points the points I raised about the problems and the questionable claims that he made in his submission. All he's done is to make question begging declarations about them.
"True, we all can cut some poems to pieces but I prefer (usually) to stay away from interminable stuff."
What stuff here has been "interminable"?
"We are not in some literature class."
Who said we were? And why would being in such a class be a bad thing? And did not J-Z ask for criticism of his "work"?
What discussion? J-Z has refused to discuss the points the points I raised about the problems and the questionable claims that he made in his submission. All he's done is to make question begging declarations about them.
"True, we all can cut some poems to pieces but I prefer (usually) to stay away from interminable stuff."
What stuff here has been "interminable"?
"We are not in some literature class."
Who said we were? And why would being in such a class be a bad thing? And did not J-Z ask for criticism of his "work"?
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Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 4:18am
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 4:22am
Assuming you meant to write "not", I see that you are cut from the same cloth as J-Z -- that is to say that you are, like him, a person who will not -- or more likely, cannot -- back up his claims.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 10:29am
Dear Robert,
Thank you very much for your interest and interference. It's very kind of you. I think you notice most of the times l don't answer him or l say exactly what you have said to him, namely I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME, but sometimes Baldwin's words are nonsensical and drive me angry, so l answer him, but he returns to his nonsense. You say that Baldwin may have a point or two, I ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS NOTHING, but he knows how to write something crazy and nonsensical. That's why you feel tired of answering him. Thank you very much, Robert.
Thank you very much for your interest and interference. It's very kind of you. I think you notice most of the times l don't answer him or l say exactly what you have said to him, namely I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY TIME, but sometimes Baldwin's words are nonsensical and drive me angry, so l answer him, but he returns to his nonsense. You say that Baldwin may have a point or two, I ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS NOTHING, but he knows how to write something crazy and nonsensical. That's why you feel tired of answering him. Thank you very much, Robert.
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I note with interest that you have yet to **demonstrate** that my writings are "crazy" and "nonsensical". Come on, Joseph! Go to my page, select any of the things I have posted there, and articulate how and why it's crazy and makes no sense. And while you are there, perhaps you'll note why those who, when commenting on what I've posted, have thought otherwise are well off the mark in what they say.
(Cue the "it's a waste of time" excuse for not doing so).
(Cue the "it's a waste of time" excuse for not doing so).
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Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 6:56pm
"That's why you feel tired of answering him."
When and where did Robert "answer" me? So far as I can see, what he posted above is the only time he has posted anything to me, and, strictly speaking, it is not an answer to a question I asked of him.
This is another instance of your reading posts incorrectly and of putting words into peoples' mouths so you can (illegitimately) complain about how you've been wronged or misunderstood and how you have grounds for thinking someone is stupid, crazy, lacking in imagination, and does not write well.
And the expression is "most of the time", not "most of the timeS".
(Cue the focus on the response to this message to be on this last point).
When and where did Robert "answer" me? So far as I can see, what he posted above is the only time he has posted anything to me, and, strictly speaking, it is not an answer to a question I asked of him.
This is another instance of your reading posts incorrectly and of putting words into peoples' mouths so you can (illegitimately) complain about how you've been wronged or misunderstood and how you have grounds for thinking someone is stupid, crazy, lacking in imagination, and does not write well.
And the expression is "most of the time", not "most of the timeS".
(Cue the focus on the response to this message to be on this last point).
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Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
"I ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS NOTHING, but he knows how to write something crazy and nonsensical."
Please put your money where your mouth is and specify what's crazy and nonsensical in this piece:
Hey Joseph-Z,
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
or this one
What I see at night in dreams
is often without any God touched gleam
or tinge of heavened happiness.
Nor is the fibrous substance of my visioning
the things I did throughout my day.
It’s often (more than not) a conjuring
of longing, heart wrenched thoughts about
the things that never happened in my life
that never came to me,
that is to say, they’re mostly
moving images of deprivations deep
and harrowing.
THAT’S what I have dreams about
when I have gone to sleep.
And I imagine this is so
for every other dreamer too.
To say it’s always steeped in something bright
shows one has little grasp
of what occurs in dreams at night,
let alone what one is destined
to perceive or made to feel
if there’s an afterlife.
Please put your money where your mouth is and specify what's crazy and nonsensical in this piece:
Hey Joseph-Z,
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
or this one
What I see at night in dreams
is often without any God touched gleam
or tinge of heavened happiness.
Nor is the fibrous substance of my visioning
the things I did throughout my day.
It’s often (more than not) a conjuring
of longing, heart wrenched thoughts about
the things that never happened in my life
that never came to me,
that is to say, they’re mostly
moving images of deprivations deep
and harrowing.
THAT’S what I have dreams about
when I have gone to sleep.
And I imagine this is so
for every other dreamer too.
To say it’s always steeped in something bright
shows one has little grasp
of what occurs in dreams at night,
let alone what one is destined
to perceive or made to feel
if there’s an afterlife.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
"Do you think l am stupid enough to read all that.........?
I think that you are someone who, in finding ways to avoid backing up his claims about someone else's writings, continuously demonstrates that he is spineless, all mouth, and certainly not worth listening to.
And "all that"? There's really not much more to read than what appears in any of your submissions. So the issue isn't whether you are stupid (or maybe it is), but why it is that you keep using weak excuses for not backing up your claims.
I think that you are someone who, in finding ways to avoid backing up his claims about someone else's writings, continuously demonstrates that he is spineless, all mouth, and certainly not worth listening to.
And "all that"? There's really not much more to read than what appears in any of your submissions. So the issue isn't whether you are stupid (or maybe it is), but why it is that you keep using weak excuses for not backing up your claims.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 10:55pm
Don't you have anything better to do except taking the subjects of other people 's poetry and writing them as your own poems on your scanty page. Then writing pages about a point that can be solved in a few words. After that you accuse people of dodging your questions. Is that the work of a logical person who can keep his page for his own writing, which he calls his poetry?
Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 10:59pm
Perhaps you are intelligent enough not only to read this:
Hey Joseph-Z,
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
but to specify what's crazy and nonsensical about it.
(Cue another excuse for not doing so).
Hey Joseph-Z,
please tell me why,
if all my recent writings are so poor
in quality,
are little more than prose
that’s poo,
they get more people
reading them that any of yours do.
And do you claim
that anyone who praises them
has no ability to see
what is and isn’t
by your lights
good poetry?
but to specify what's crazy and nonsensical about it.
(Cue another excuse for not doing so).
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Re. THE SAMPLE
4th Sep 2020 11:11pm
Who reads you thinks you have got a lot of LIKES. You have got very few, and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you. Baldwin be true with yourself if you aren't with me and other people.
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 1:18am
How do these unsupported claims demonstrate that my piece is crazy and nonsensical?
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"[He] [w]ho reads you thinks you have got a lot of LIKES."
Really? Please tell me how you know that those who read my pieces think what you say they do.
"You have got very few,"
Whether or not this is the case (and my page says I've received 100 [see below] -- are you confusing "likes" with "comments"?), can you really deny that my pieces typically get more READS than yours do? I posted a piece today and it already has nearly 60 of them. And I daresay, yours would not show half as many reads as any one of them does if I never looked at them to see what new ways of dodging the questions that I've asked about your submissions you've posted.
"and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you."
Sorry, but what evidence do you have to back up this claim?
Aren't you projecting? After all, just going by their names, those who post "likes" of your submission on your Facebook site are not only the same four or five people, but are also friends of yours and members of your family. Yes or no.
A Challenge to J-Z 1 like
A Challenge to J-Z -- and anyone else here who might find it fun to imitate Byron, Yeats, et. al. 1 reading list 1 like
A poem for you 2 likes
absence 2 likes
Abused 1 reading list 1 like
afterlife? 1 like
age
Aging 1 like
An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet" 2 likes
Another Ditty 1 like
another kiss 1 like
another on J-Z
Ash Wednesday 1 like
At First Sight
awe 1 like
Chastity
Culprit Moon 1 like
distance
Dity
Dreams 1 like
eyes 1 like
Farmer and his gun
Fire eyes
God
Golgatha
Golgatha 3 likes
Grey Wing 1 reading list 4 likes
Ha Satan 1 like
Her laugh 2 likes
Hey Joseph-Z
How Can I Make you Believe? 2 likes
How Many Times?
I shall pretend 4 likes
I want your mouth 2 likes
I wonder 1 reading list 3 likes
Incarnation 1 like
J-Z and his "If"
Jealousy 1 like
Jesus' love
Joseph's claims
Kiss 2 likes
Kiss Me Now 2 likes
little bastard 1 like
Longing 2 reading lists 5 likes
Moths to Flame 1 reading list 2 likes
My hope for J-Z
My Ram 1 like
night 2 likes
No Jewels 2 likes
On J-Z's "From Hands to Hands"
pale moon 1 like
Quit Telling Me that Heaven Is My Home 1 like
Regret 5 likes
Restraint 2 likes
Sin? 5 likes
stages 2 likes
Sunrise Disturbed 1 reading list 2 likes
surprised 1 reading list 3 likes
That isn't proof 1 reading list 2 likes
the power 2 likes
The Traditions of the Best English Poets
Time the Devourer 1 like
truth 1 like
want 1 reading list 2 likes
What I didn't do
What I Want 2 likes
what to pray 2 likes
Why Remorse? 1 like
Within Your Eyes 1 reading list 1 like
Wrinkles 2 likes
You asked 1 reading list 2 likes
You Thief! 1 like
Your Name 2 reading lists 2 likes
Yahoo site
Really? Please tell me how you know that those who read my pieces think what you say they do.
"You have got very few,"
Whether or not this is the case (and my page says I've received 100 [see below] -- are you confusing "likes" with "comments"?), can you really deny that my pieces typically get more READS than yours do? I posted a piece today and it already has nearly 60 of them. And I daresay, yours would not show half as many reads as any one of them does if I never looked at them to see what new ways of dodging the questions that I've asked about your submissions you've posted.
"and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you."
Sorry, but what evidence do you have to back up this claim?
Aren't you projecting? After all, just going by their names, those who post "likes" of your submission on your Facebook site are not only the same four or five people, but are also friends of yours and members of your family. Yes or no.
A Challenge to J-Z 1 like
A Challenge to J-Z -- and anyone else here who might find it fun to imitate Byron, Yeats, et. al. 1 reading list 1 like
A poem for you 2 likes
absence 2 likes
Abused 1 reading list 1 like
afterlife? 1 like
age
Aging 1 like
An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet" 2 likes
Another Ditty 1 like
another kiss 1 like
another on J-Z
Ash Wednesday 1 like
At First Sight
awe 1 like
Chastity
Culprit Moon 1 like
distance
Dity
Dreams 1 like
eyes 1 like
Farmer and his gun
Fire eyes
God
Golgatha
Golgatha 3 likes
Grey Wing 1 reading list 4 likes
Ha Satan 1 like
Her laugh 2 likes
Hey Joseph-Z
How Can I Make you Believe? 2 likes
How Many Times?
I shall pretend 4 likes
I want your mouth 2 likes
I wonder 1 reading list 3 likes
Incarnation 1 like
J-Z and his "If"
Jealousy 1 like
Jesus' love
Joseph's claims
Kiss 2 likes
Kiss Me Now 2 likes
little bastard 1 like
Longing 2 reading lists 5 likes
Moths to Flame 1 reading list 2 likes
My hope for J-Z
My Ram 1 like
night 2 likes
No Jewels 2 likes
On J-Z's "From Hands to Hands"
pale moon 1 like
Quit Telling Me that Heaven Is My Home 1 like
Regret 5 likes
Restraint 2 likes
Sin? 5 likes
stages 2 likes
Sunrise Disturbed 1 reading list 2 likes
surprised 1 reading list 3 likes
That isn't proof 1 reading list 2 likes
the power 2 likes
The Traditions of the Best English Poets
Time the Devourer 1 like
truth 1 like
want 1 reading list 2 likes
What I didn't do
What I Want 2 likes
what to pray 2 likes
Why Remorse? 1 like
Within Your Eyes 1 reading list 1 like
Wrinkles 2 likes
You asked 1 reading list 2 likes
You Thief! 1 like
Your Name 2 reading lists 2 likes
Yahoo site
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Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 5:32pm
I looked at your page, and l saw only THREE likes on the whole page. I didn't see any more.
According to me, l used to have LIKES, but l haven't had any since you interfered. Of course that's through your influence there, but l don't want the LIKES that come through you because l don't appreciate your taste, or your poetry. For me, you are not a poet. The proof that l had LIKES before is the medal l have, but through your influence on the group, you stopped all my progress. I don't care. I don't want anything that comes from your side.
According to me, l used to have LIKES, but l haven't had any since you interfered. Of course that's through your influence there, but l don't want the LIKES that come through you because l don't appreciate your taste, or your poetry. For me, you are not a poet. The proof that l had LIKES before is the medal l have, but through your influence on the group, you stopped all my progress. I don't care. I don't want anything that comes from your side.
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"I looked at your page, and l saw only THREE likes on the whole page."
So .. are you calling me a liar? Did you check out **all** of my pages? There are 7 of them.
In any case, what on earth makes you think that I have an influence on the site? I am not a moderator. Nor do I have any sort of control over what gets posted here or whether a person does or does not gets likes.
Moreover, there have been no likes of your submissions that have come through me. So what are you talking about?
And shall I take it that the reason for the fact that you haven't done what I asked you to do, namely, to provide evidence to support your claim that the "likes" I do get come "from [my] friends who pity [me] and send them to gratify [me]" [ "and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you."] is that you have no such evidence?
And BTW, here's the medal you received:
Trophies Awarded to Joseph-Zenieh
Top Critiquer Trophies 1
TOP CRITIQUER
March 2018
star
This was 2 years ago and, given what's said on the site about who a top critiquer is (see below), it does NOT show that your attempts at poetry were liked, let alone by many readers here, or that you've received any likes since then that have somehow been expunged.
What is a Top Critiquer?
Top Critiquers are those members who most frequently comment on other members' poems. Both quality and quantity of comments are taken into account, along with how many different authors have been commented on.
So .. are you calling me a liar? Did you check out **all** of my pages? There are 7 of them.
In any case, what on earth makes you think that I have an influence on the site? I am not a moderator. Nor do I have any sort of control over what gets posted here or whether a person does or does not gets likes.
Moreover, there have been no likes of your submissions that have come through me. So what are you talking about?
And shall I take it that the reason for the fact that you haven't done what I asked you to do, namely, to provide evidence to support your claim that the "likes" I do get come "from [my] friends who pity [me] and send them to gratify [me]" [ "and these few you get from your friends who pity you and send them to gratify you."] is that you have no such evidence?
And BTW, here's the medal you received:
Trophies Awarded to Joseph-Zenieh
Top Critiquer Trophies 1
TOP CRITIQUER
March 2018
star
This was 2 years ago and, given what's said on the site about who a top critiquer is (see below), it does NOT show that your attempts at poetry were liked, let alone by many readers here, or that you've received any likes since then that have somehow been expunged.
What is a Top Critiquer?
Top Critiquers are those members who most frequently comment on other members' poems. Both quality and quantity of comments are taken into account, along with how many different authors have been commented on.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 7:16pm
I don't call you a liar, but you call yourself like that.. The person knows himself much better than others know him. I believe that my poetry is excellent, and l think you are jealous because you can't produce anything that equal even 5 percent of my level. This is what you are. The proof is most of your poems are taken from my poetry. You are nothing without me. The other readers know this fact.
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 8:51pm
Here is a list of the pieces you have lied about in claiming that they are somehow grounded in, let alone "plagiarize", things you've written.
absence
Abused
age
An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet"
Another Ditty
another kiss
Chastity
Culprit Moon
distance
Fire eyes
Grey Wing
Ha Satan
Her laugh
How Many Times?
I shall pretend
Kiss
little bastard
Longing
night
No Jewels
pale moon
Regret
Restraint
Sin?
Sunrise Disturbed
surprised
the power
truth
Wrinkles
Your Name
Given that they have nothing to do with anything you've posted, isn't this proof that your claim that "You [i.e., me] are nothing without me [i.e., you] is patently false.
And you have yet to show, rather than just claim) that what verse I've written in response to things you've posted (not to mention things I've written to show how one might write better than you have done upon one of your topics) is poorly written, let alone actually pales in comparison with the composition that I've springboarded off of.
absence
Abused
age
An Emulation of Thomas Wyatt's "And Leave Not Yet"
Another Ditty
another kiss
Chastity
Culprit Moon
distance
Fire eyes
Grey Wing
Ha Satan
Her laugh
How Many Times?
I shall pretend
Kiss
little bastard
Longing
night
No Jewels
pale moon
Regret
Restraint
Sin?
Sunrise Disturbed
surprised
the power
truth
Wrinkles
Your Name
Given that they have nothing to do with anything you've posted, isn't this proof that your claim that "You [i.e., me] are nothing without me [i.e., you] is patently false.
And you have yet to show, rather than just claim) that what verse I've written in response to things you've posted (not to mention things I've written to show how one might write better than you have done upon one of your topics) is poorly written, let alone actually pales in comparison with the composition that I've springboarded off of.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 8:17pm
That equal 5 percent? Did you mean "equalS"
"The proof is most of your poems are taken from my poetry. "
How you can make this claim again is beyond me since I provided evidence that it is false. So if anyone is lying here, it's you.
And how you can claim that submissions that contain grammar gaffes, absence of needed articles, noun verb disagreement, forced rhyme, solecisms, deixis, empirically false statements, misunderstandings of texts that they are based on, inversions, clumsy and clunky rhythm, misuse of words, no use of concrete imagery, and that are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like (as it's frequently been demonstrated you have done) is excellent poetry, let alone that would-be writers would want to imitate or emulate, is beyond me.
"The proof is most of your poems are taken from my poetry. "
How you can make this claim again is beyond me since I provided evidence that it is false. So if anyone is lying here, it's you.
And how you can claim that submissions that contain grammar gaffes, absence of needed articles, noun verb disagreement, forced rhyme, solecisms, deixis, empirically false statements, misunderstandings of texts that they are based on, inversions, clumsy and clunky rhythm, misuse of words, no use of concrete imagery, and that are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like (as it's frequently been demonstrated you have done) is excellent poetry, let alone that would-be writers would want to imitate or emulate, is beyond me.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 8:33pm
The proof that you are hopeless is that you wait for such goofs to prove to yourself [not to your opponent] that you correct his writing while you dodge important grammar like NO and not, and the relative clause..., what a CORRECTOR you are!
Re. THE SAMPLE
I don't have to wait for "such goofs" since you make them almost daily and they appear in everything you write.
Besides that, the issue isn't whether I wait for you to make "such goofs", but whether you make them and if you do (as you've now admitted), how you can say that your attempts at poetry are excellently written.
And whether or not I flub a few things in my responses to your pieces does not count as evidence that your writing is not peppered with all of the things I noted it contains.
Besides that, the issue isn't whether I wait for you to make "such goofs", but whether you make them and if you do (as you've now admitted), how you can say that your attempts at poetry are excellently written.
And whether or not I flub a few things in my responses to your pieces does not count as evidence that your writing is not peppered with all of the things I noted it contains.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
5th Sep 2020 9:20pm
Why are you so much interested in my poetry, and have written hundreds of pages about it if it is so bad and if you are not jealous of me? You have been tracing any step l take for such a long time. Are you doing all that and giving all your time for something weak and unworthy? How can l believe you. Tell it to the marine.
Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is. Now, I think you will stop writing poetry taken from my poems. You will look for another good poet to take or... his ideas.
Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is. Now, I think you will stop writing poetry taken from my poems. You will look for another good poet to take or... his ideas.
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"Why are you so much interested in my poetry, and have written hundreds of pages about it if it is so bad and if you are not jealous of me?"
I have a certain nonsense quota that I need to have filled every day. Your pieces and your responses to what I write about them fill the bill.
"Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is."
So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote?
(cue the crickets -- or the red herrings -- from Joseph in response to this question).
BTW, the expression is "tell it to the MarineS""
https://grammarist.com/idiom/tell-it-to-the-marines/
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tell-that-it-to-the-marines
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tell+it+to+the+Marines
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tell+it+to+the+Marines
I have a certain nonsense quota that I need to have filled every day. Your pieces and your responses to what I write about them fill the bill.
"Look at your page, and you will see who the liar is."
So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote?
(cue the crickets -- or the red herrings -- from Joseph in response to this question).
BTW, the expression is "tell it to the MarineS""
https://grammarist.com/idiom/tell-it-to-the-marines/
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tell-that-it-to-the-marines
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tell+it+to+the+Marines
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tell+it+to+the+Marines
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Look at what Baldwin says,
I have a certain nonsense quota that I need to have filled every day. Your pieces and your responses to what I write about them fill the bill.
So wasn't l right when l said, I HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE. l mean on his writing?
Who can explain this piece of nonsense?
So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote
I have a certain nonsense quota that I need to have filled every day. Your pieces and your responses to what I write about them fill the bill.
So wasn't l right when l said, I HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE. l mean on his writing?
Who can explain this piece of nonsense?
So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote
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I predicted that what I'd get from J-Z to this question:
"So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote?"
would be crickets and red herrings.
Nice to see that my prediction came true.
And I'd still want to know how it is that he can claim with a straight face that submissions that contain grammar gaffes, absence of needed articles, noun-verb disagreement, forced rhyme, solecisms, deixis, empirically false statements, misunderstandings of texts that they are based on, inversions, clumsy and clunky rhythm, misuse of words, no use of concrete imagery, and that are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like (as it's frequently been demonstrated you have done) is "excellent" poetry, let alone "poetry" that would-be writers would want to imitate or emulate.
"So are you saying that the pieces that I listed as being written without you in mind really are grounded in something you wrote?"
would be crickets and red herrings.
Nice to see that my prediction came true.
And I'd still want to know how it is that he can claim with a straight face that submissions that contain grammar gaffes, absence of needed articles, noun-verb disagreement, forced rhyme, solecisms, deixis, empirically false statements, misunderstandings of texts that they are based on, inversions, clumsy and clunky rhythm, misuse of words, no use of concrete imagery, and that are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like (as it's frequently been demonstrated you have done) is "excellent" poetry, let alone "poetry" that would-be writers would want to imitate or emulate.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 4:40pm
Despite all that you have mentioned, you wrote hundreds of pages about his poetry. That means he has great importance to you, whereas l answered you briefly because you are nothing to me.
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And here I thought the issue is whether your attempts at poetry are in each and every case "excellent" given all the linguistic infelicities and conceptual difficulties they contain, not how much I have written to you and what may legitimately be deduced from that fact.
Thanks for dodging it.
And what causes me to write on your pages is that I'm fed up with how your brag about how good your "work" is,
use questionable evidence (i.e. the fact that certain people [most of whom are related to you in some way and have no critical acumen] "like" your writings) to support your bragging, how fundamentally and persistently irresponsible you are in not backing up the claims you make when you are asked to do so, how often you use ad hominems and red herrings in response to what I say to you, and my genuine desire to get you to avoid speaking directly to points I raised about how poorly written and confusing your submissions are.
I daresay that I would not have written anywhere near the "hundreds of pages" you claim I have written to you if you had complied with my requests (which, BTW, you once noted were helping you a lot in becoming a better writer).
Thanks for dodging it.
And what causes me to write on your pages is that I'm fed up with how your brag about how good your "work" is,
use questionable evidence (i.e. the fact that certain people [most of whom are related to you in some way and have no critical acumen] "like" your writings) to support your bragging, how fundamentally and persistently irresponsible you are in not backing up the claims you make when you are asked to do so, how often you use ad hominems and red herrings in response to what I say to you, and my genuine desire to get you to avoid speaking directly to points I raised about how poorly written and confusing your submissions are.
I daresay that I would not have written anywhere near the "hundreds of pages" you claim I have written to you if you had complied with my requests (which, BTW, you once noted were helping you a lot in becoming a better writer).
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I'll try this again, though my hopes of receiving straightforward and on-point answers to what I ask is very small.
Do you, joseph, deny that your submissions often contain
grammar gaffes,
noun-verb disagreement,
forced rhyme,
solecisms,
deixis,
empirically false and/or question-begging statements/claims,
misunderstandings and misrepresentations of texts [especially Biblical ones] that your submissions are based on,
inversions of ordinary ways of speaking,
sacrifices of sense in order to get a rhyme,
sacrifices of syntactically necessary article use in order to maintain a particular rhythm
clumsy and clunky rhythm,
misuse of and/or misunderstandings of the meanings of words that you have used within them
a limited vocabulary and overuse of words within them,
strange, improper, and illegitimate use of punctuation,
no use of concrete imagery or appeals to the senses
little use of metaphor or simile,
overblown claims about the way the world works,
questionable claims about what leads to human happiness,
titles the subject of which is not the subject of your text,
and are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like?
I maintain that many -- if not all of them -- have at least one or more of these linguistic and/or conceptual infelicities/ indications of poor writing, and therefore that his "poetry" is not "excellent", especially from a literary point of view.
But I'd be happy to be **shown** (not declared that I am wrong.
I'd also be happy for J-Z to show me that my submissions contain any of these things (let alone that I would not admit that they were there if, indeed, they were ) -- especially in light of his claim that my submissions pale in comparison with the literary/poetical "excellence" displayed in his.
(cue the dodges of these questions, if not also some attack upon my person/intelligence, poetic understanding, and/or my imaginative abilities).
Do you, joseph, deny that your submissions often contain
grammar gaffes,
noun-verb disagreement,
forced rhyme,
solecisms,
deixis,
empirically false and/or question-begging statements/claims,
misunderstandings and misrepresentations of texts [especially Biblical ones] that your submissions are based on,
inversions of ordinary ways of speaking,
sacrifices of sense in order to get a rhyme,
sacrifices of syntactically necessary article use in order to maintain a particular rhythm
clumsy and clunky rhythm,
misuse of and/or misunderstandings of the meanings of words that you have used within them
a limited vocabulary and overuse of words within them,
strange, improper, and illegitimate use of punctuation,
no use of concrete imagery or appeals to the senses
little use of metaphor or simile,
overblown claims about the way the world works,
questionable claims about what leads to human happiness,
titles the subject of which is not the subject of your text,
and are essentially journal entries in which you **tell** readers what you feel instead of **showing** them what you feel is like?
I maintain that many -- if not all of them -- have at least one or more of these linguistic and/or conceptual infelicities/ indications of poor writing, and therefore that his "poetry" is not "excellent", especially from a literary point of view.
But I'd be happy to be **shown** (not declared that I am wrong.
I'd also be happy for J-Z to show me that my submissions contain any of these things (let alone that I would not admit that they were there if, indeed, they were ) -- especially in light of his claim that my submissions pale in comparison with the literary/poetical "excellence" displayed in his.
(cue the dodges of these questions, if not also some attack upon my person/intelligence, poetic understanding, and/or my imaginative abilities).
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Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 8:24pm
Do you deny that you avoid discussing grammar points, such as NO and NOT, and the relative clause and what you called the adjectival clause?
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 8:56pm
Ah, just as I predicted! The red herring response and the avoidance of speaking directly to the questions I raised.
But to answer your irrelevant question: Yes, I do indeed deny that I avoid (or avoided) d discussing grammar poits, let alone the ones you instance. I posted several on-point messages discussing grammar and these particular things. It's you who consistenly avoids taking into account the evidence I supplied you that showed that both your grammar and the points I made about the instances you bring up were correct.
But granting the truth of what you claim, how does your use of tu quoque -- which fallaciously asserts that my questions to you are illegitimate and don't deserve to be answered since I (allegedly) made (but not in my submissions) grammatical mistakes and/or avoided questions -- so what? How would this show that your "poetry" is not full of the things I listed as characteristic of them?
That I (supposedly) made mistakes or refused to discuss something DOES NOT MEAN, and cannot legitimately be used as evidence, that your "poetry" it is not replete with those infelicities and is not badly written.
It either is or isn't no matter what my writings are like or what points of grammar I do or do not discusss.
But to answer your irrelevant question: Yes, I do indeed deny that I avoid (or avoided) d discussing grammar poits, let alone the ones you instance. I posted several on-point messages discussing grammar and these particular things. It's you who consistenly avoids taking into account the evidence I supplied you that showed that both your grammar and the points I made about the instances you bring up were correct.
But granting the truth of what you claim, how does your use of tu quoque -- which fallaciously asserts that my questions to you are illegitimate and don't deserve to be answered since I (allegedly) made (but not in my submissions) grammatical mistakes and/or avoided questions -- so what? How would this show that your "poetry" is not full of the things I listed as characteristic of them?
That I (supposedly) made mistakes or refused to discuss something DOES NOT MEAN, and cannot legitimately be used as evidence, that your "poetry" it is not replete with those infelicities and is not badly written.
It either is or isn't no matter what my writings are like or what points of grammar I do or do not discusss.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 9:08pm
Don't you stop using this style of MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. No one is ready to read your long winded writing. Perhaps, you use this style because you don't want them to read your boring stuff.
Re: Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 9:23pm
Another dodge. And there's no perhaps about why you are doing so. You are incapable of admitting the truth about your "poetry" -- namely, that it does indeed contain all of the things I've pointed our, and that, therefore, you do not write anywhere as well as you think you do.
And how you know what the people here are or are not ready to read is beyond me. But then again, you have frequently laid claim to an unwarranted omniciency.
And how you know what the people here are or are not ready to read is beyond me. But then again, you have frequently laid claim to an unwarranted omniciency.
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6th Sep 2020 9:49pm
Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 10:10pm
Another dodge of the main issue.
Omniciency. see the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary:
omnisciency, n.
Origin: Either (i) a borrowing from Latin. Or (ii) formed within English, by derivation. Etymons: Latin omniscientia ; omniscient adj., -ency suffix.
Etymology: Either < post-classical Latin omniscientia omniscience n., or independently < ... (Show More)
= omniscience n.
Omniciency. see the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary:
omnisciency, n.
Origin: Either (i) a borrowing from Latin. Or (ii) formed within English, by derivation. Etymons: Latin omniscientia ; omniscient adj., -ency suffix.
Etymology: Either < post-classical Latin omniscientia omniscience n., or independently < ... (Show More)
= omniscience n.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
6th Sep 2020 10:33pm
Baldwin, l looked it up in Oxford, and other dictionaries_ l have a lot of them_, but l didn't find OMNISCIENCY. Perhaps, this word is printed only in Baldwin's Oxford Dictionary. You are always right as l know, and as usual, Baldwin!!!!!!!
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Do you have the complete OED?
And it looks like you are again accusing me of lying. In this case lying about what is and isn't found in the OED by implying that I made up what I posted.
But given that you want to nitpick rather than deal with the question that I asked you about how you know what you claim to know about what DUP members want and don't want to read, not to mention that whether there is such a word as "omniciency" is hardly relevant to the question of how you know for certain that no one on DUP wants to read what I write to you, shall we focus on, and make an issue of, the fact that there is no such expression/idiom as "tell it to the marine"?
And it looks like you are again accusing me of lying. In this case lying about what is and isn't found in the OED by implying that I made up what I posted.
But given that you want to nitpick rather than deal with the question that I asked you about how you know what you claim to know about what DUP members want and don't want to read, not to mention that whether there is such a word as "omniciency" is hardly relevant to the question of how you know for certain that no one on DUP wants to read what I write to you, shall we focus on, and make an issue of, the fact that there is no such expression/idiom as "tell it to the marine"?
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Re. THE SAMPLE
7th Sep 2020 7:57am
Baldwin, first you are long winded, and you don't write in a friendly way, but you are always hostile. I am sure no one in the group likes you. If you can write politely, we can go on together as excellent friends. Please be logical. Poets are not your enemies. They are your friends and colleagues, and you are not better than the least of them.
Re. THE SAMPLE
7th Sep 2020 5:54pm
Yet another dodge of the question I asked you and another implied attack of my person. So I have to assume that you are incapable of being responsible for your claims.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
Old Joseph-Z has now rehearsed
the bald assertion he has made with frequency
that here on DUP
there is no one who's ready or who wants,
or feels the need, to read
my “overlong” critiques
of his attempts at verse.
He says, within a kind of hissy fit,
that they are all off-putting screeds.
So please, I wonder if you’ll take
a little time to write
and let me know just how you feel
about these churlish claims.
Post here upon this page
(where Joseph spews disdain
on my critiques**)
some words that show your take
on whether it is true that you don’t want
to read the posts of mine
that note with reasoned details how
and why his “poems” are
quite poorly writ and often show a lack of wit
or knowledge of just what it is
of which good poetry consists.
the bald assertion he has made with frequency
that here on DUP
there is no one who's ready or who wants,
or feels the need, to read
my “overlong” critiques
of his attempts at verse.
He says, within a kind of hissy fit,
that they are all off-putting screeds.
So please, I wonder if you’ll take
a little time to write
and let me know just how you feel
about these churlish claims.
Post here upon this page
(where Joseph spews disdain
on my critiques**)
some words that show your take
on whether it is true that you don’t want
to read the posts of mine
that note with reasoned details how
and why his “poems” are
quite poorly writ and often show a lack of wit
or knowledge of just what it is
of which good poetry consists.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
7th Sep 2020 7:55pm
On your honour, do you consider your last piece poetry? Look! I am not attacking anybody, but l want your opinion of yourself.
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On your honor, what evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that it is not?
And aren't you confusing who or what I may think I am (my opinion of myself) with what I think about what I posted above (my opinion of what that writing is)?
And why should I answer your question about what I think about who I am since you have never answered the question about what YOU think about YOURSELF that I have asked you numerous times (i.e., do you think that you are incapable of writing poorly?)
And thank you for yet another attack upon my person by implying, as you did, that I would -- and ordinarily do -- act dishonorably.
And aren't you confusing who or what I may think I am (my opinion of myself) with what I think about what I posted above (my opinion of what that writing is)?
And why should I answer your question about what I think about who I am since you have never answered the question about what YOU think about YOURSELF that I have asked you numerous times (i.e., do you think that you are incapable of writing poorly?)
And thank you for yet another attack upon my person by implying, as you did, that I would -- and ordinarily do -- act dishonorably.
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Re. THE SAMPLE
7th Sep 2020 10:31pm
Baldwin writes:
On your honor, why evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that it is not?
Who can explain his writing, and where is the first bracket?
On your honor, why evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that it is not?
Who can explain his writing, and where is the first bracket?
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Let me clear up what I wrote to you. It should have read
On your honor, what evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make (given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that shows that it (i.e., my submission above] is not poetry.
And what is missing is a parenthesis, not a bracket.
But surely with all of the poetic imagination that you brag that you possess, you understood what I was asking of you.
So your remark is yet another example of how you dodge speaking directly to questions I ask you, especially when you know can't answer honestly without showing that you have put your foot in your mouth.
On your honor, what evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make (given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that shows that it (i.e., my submission above] is not poetry.
And what is missing is a parenthesis, not a bracket.
But surely with all of the poetic imagination that you brag that you possess, you understood what I was asking of you.
So your remark is yet another example of how you dodge speaking directly to questions I ask you, especially when you know can't answer honestly without showing that you have put your foot in your mouth.
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Baldwin, l know what lam talking about more than you do.
1-You changed WHY into WHAT. First you said WHY EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? This is nonsense.
2- You closed a ROUND BRACKET or PARENTHESIS, but you didn't open one. I asked you about this , but no answer. Baldwin, be reasonable, and don't correct when you aren't sure. Now l am ready to show you your mistakes as l know your real standard. Have you forgotten the other mistakes? I'll deal with you in the same measures.
1-You changed WHY into WHAT. First you said WHY EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? This is nonsense.
2- You closed a ROUND BRACKET or PARENTHESIS, but you didn't open one. I asked you about this , but no answer. Baldwin, be reasonable, and don't correct when you aren't sure. Now l am ready to show you your mistakes as l know your real standard. Have you forgotten the other mistakes? I'll deal with you in the same measures.
Re. THE SAMPLE
I'll ask again -- with the text of my question that you correctly noted made no sense and that showed a mistake in the use of parentheses corrected -- in the hope that you will finally speak directly to, and properly and responsibly respond to, what I'm asking you. But I note any red herring you make in response to it makes it evident that you have no evidence that shows, and/or no good argument for claiming, that my piece above is not poetry.
On YOUR honor, what evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make (given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that shows that it (i.e., my submission above) is not poetry?
Do you have such evidence? Yes or no?
Can you demonstrate on the basis of YOUR criteria of what a writing has to have to be poetry (i.e. rhythm, rhyme, a good subject), how and why my piece is not poetry? Yes or no.
If your answer is "yes" to these questions, please provide this evidence, and the demonstration, that shows my piece is not poetry.
If your answer is "no", kindly have the strength of character to admit that you were wrong to call the nature of my piece into question.
(Cue J-Z's avoidance of doing so).
On YOUR honor, what evidence do you have -- or what reasoned argument will you make (given your stated criteria for what a writing has to have to be poetry) -- that shows that it (i.e., my submission above) is not poetry?
Do you have such evidence? Yes or no?
Can you demonstrate on the basis of YOUR criteria of what a writing has to have to be poetry (i.e. rhythm, rhyme, a good subject), how and why my piece is not poetry? Yes or no.
If your answer is "yes" to these questions, please provide this evidence, and the demonstration, that shows my piece is not poetry.
If your answer is "no", kindly have the strength of character to admit that you were wrong to call the nature of my piece into question.
(Cue J-Z's avoidance of doing so).
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