I LOVE YOU HOWEVER YOU ARE.

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https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/ken

"ken
The noun ken means "range of vision or comprehension." If quantum mechanics is beyond your ken, you don't understand it, or it is beyond your scope of knowledge.

Ken is rarely used today outside of the phrase, "beyond one's ken."

Definitions of
ken
1
n range of what one can know or understand
“beyond my ken”

a clear and certain mental apprehension

n the range of vision"

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/ken

ken

NOUN
in singular
One's range of knowledge or sight.

‘such determination is beyond my ken’"


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ken

"ken noun
1 : the range of perception, understanding, or knowledge
abstract words that are beyond the ken of young children
— Lois M. Rettie

2a : the range of vision
b : SIGHT, VIEW
'tis double death to drown in ken of shore
— William Shakespeare"

OED:

ken, n.1

†1. = kenning n.2 4b. Obsolete.
1545   in State Papers Henry VIII (1830) I. 815   The place, wher we be at this present, ys thwartt of Shorham, too kennys allmoste frome the shore.
1574   W. Bourne Regim. for Sea (1577) xviii. 48 b   Neyther is it possible to see any lande further..where~fore 6. leagues or 9. leagues is called a ken.
1580   J. Lyly Euphues & his Eng. (new ed.) f. 14   Let this suffice, that they are safely come within a kenne of Douer.
a1616   W. Shakespeare Cymbeline (1623) iii. vi. 6   Milford, When from the Mountaine top, Pisanio shew'd thee, Thou was't within a kenne .  
1625   N. Carpenter Geogr. Delineated ii. vii. 121   The Fisherman iudging by sight, could not see aboue a kenne at sea.

2.

a. Range of sight or vision; in phrases in or within ken, beyond, out of, or past ken. Now rare.
a1592   R. Greene Hist. Orlando Furioso (1594) sig. Aivv   The bordring Ilands seated here in ken.
1594   T. Nashe Vnfortunate Traveller sig. N4   Out of ken we were ere the Countesse came from the feast.
1624   P. Massinger Bond-man iv. i. sig. G4   The conquering Army Is within ken.
1691   J. Ray Wisdom of God 3   Beyond all Ken by the best Telescopes.
1725   A. Pope tr. Homer Odyssey II. v. 456   Scarce in ken appears that distant Isle.
1882   F. W. H. Myers Renewal of Youth 77   Thro' space, if space it be, past count or ken.

b. With possessive or equivalent.
1630   M. Drayton Noahs Floud in Muses Elizium 115   On which they might discerne within their ken, The carkasses of Birds, of Beasts, and men.
a1676   M. Hale Primitive Originat. Mankind (1677) iv. viii. 365   The Intellect..taketh a flight out of the ken or reach of Sense.
1791   W. Cowper tr. Homer Iliad in Iliad & Odyssey I. iii. 15   The eye Is bounded in its ken to a stone's cast.
1864   W. H. Ainsworth John Law III. v. x. 29   Many..remarkable personages came under Evelyn's ken.

†3. Sight or view of a thing, place, etc.; possibility or capacity of seeing; chiefly in phrases in, within, out of ken of. Obsolete.
1594   W. Shakespeare Lucrece sig. H3v   Tis double death to drowne in ken of shore.  
a1640   P. Massinger & J. Fletcher Very Woman v. v. 26 in P. Massinger 3 New Playes (1655)    Hardly We had lost the ken of Sicily, but we were Becalm'd.
1691   J. Ray Wisdom of God 70   Scarce daring to venture out of the Ken of Land.
1738   Defoe's Compl. Eng. Tradesman (ed. 4) I. viii. 84   I sent out my servant to watch..these..strollers, and keep..within ken of them.

4.

a. Power or exercise of vision; look, gaze.
1667   J. Dryden Annus Mirabilis 1666 cxi. 29   Each ambitiously would claim the Ken That with first eyes did distant safety meet.
1736   W. Thompson Nativity xi   Faith led the van,..Steady her ken, and gaining on the skies.
1814   H. F. Cary tr. Dante Vision I. iv. 14   I..search'd With fixed ken to know what place it was, Wherein I stood.


b. Mental perception or recognition.
c1560   A. Scott Poems (S.T.S.) xxxv. 28   Every gait off wicket stait Sall perreiss owt of ken.
1701   N. Rowe Ambitious Step-mother iii. iii. 1340   Whose Orb, with streaming Glories fraught, Dazles the Ken of human thought.
a1856   W. Hamilton Lect. Metaphysics (1859) I. xviii. 361   Acts of mind so rapid and minute as to elude the ken of consciousness.
1871   W. Alexander Johnny Gibb xlii. 293   My vera Memorandum Book blottit oot' o' ken."


So whether you know it or not, you are saying that Jesus' love is based on a limited range of knowledge.

And you really need to have "my" before "ken",  since it is **Jesus'** range of knowledge,  not "knowledge in general" (which the noun "ken" does NOT mean) that his love is built on.

And what's with the clunky meter in these lines?

I LOVE you howEVer YOU ARE.
My LOVE CAN enDURE ALL my LOSS.

"You want to see me to believe.
You saw me once and were my friend ....

I love you though you were too cruel
and killed me on that painful cross. "

So it was a friend of Jesus who crucified him?  And were there non-painful crosses that Jesus could have been killed on?

And is the one who killed Jesus still alive as your use of the present tense of love suggests he must be for Jesus to now love him.

Clumsy writing.

Cue the ad hominem response to my remarks.

1-Jesus is an excellent friend to all people, whether in the past or now. As man is His friend, and He was killed by man, we can say He was killed by His friends.
2- When l say A PAINFUL CROSS, I emphasize how painful His death was. Of course there is no cross without pain.
3- Yes, who killed Jesus are still alive. Any one who commits sins, or denies Jesus is still alive, and he kills Him everyday because Jesus loves him.
4- According to what you have said, Ken: n. means knowledge, so: HIS LOVE FOR YOU IS BUILT ON KEN: means IS BUILT ON KNOWLEDGE.

So much for defining Jesus' friends as those who **saw** him **once** in the past.

"3- Yes, [those] who killed Jesus are still alive. Any one [sic anyone] who commits sins, or denies Jesus is still alive, and he kills Him everyday because Jesus loves him."

So Peter is still alive? And Jesus in his resurrected state can still be killed?

"4- According to what you have said, Ken: n. means knowledge, so: HIS LOVE FOR YOU IS BUILT ON KEN: means IS BUILT ON KNOWLEDGE."

Wow. Once again, you haven't carefully read what I posted about "ken". My citations show that "Ken" means a particular and limited **range** of knowledge, NOT knowledge in general, let alone a knowledge that does not belong to Jesus.

Please show me where they say that "ken"  means just "knowledge".

And what do **you** think "however" means?  What are you using it in your piece to signify?

Oh Adolph, mien Gut Herr,
if I profess my boundless love to you
no matter what you were,
ignoring what you did  
despite my grace
unto my countrymen,  
my race
the Jews,
I’d show then, wouldn’t I,
I haven’t got a clue about,
or knowledge of,
the meaning and the thrust
of all good Levi has me tell
in Matthew 25 to “man”
on judgment day
regarding who of humankind
deserves my love
and who it is
I rightly should despise
and send to hell?

"I am your God,
Whose love for you is built on ken. "

Let's assume for the sake of argument that "ken" means "knowledge".  Don't you need to be more specific about what this knowledge is knowledge **of** for your line to be understandable?

1- So Peter is still alive.  How can you understand it in such a way? Those who killed Christ are the people who live now and sin. Do you understand it now?
I don't speak about another point till you understand this one. Let's follow this strategy from now on.

"Those who killed Christ are the people who live now and sin. Do you understand it now?"  
 
No.  According to the Gospels, those who **killed** Jesus (past tense) were a certain set of Roman soldiers who lived in the first century CE.    
 
To say that someone who lives in the 21st century did something that took place in the 1st is an absurdity.  
 
And with regard to Peter, you indicated that those who engage in denying Jesus are still alive.  If that is so, then Peter must be alive, for denying Jesus is something that Peter did.  Please tell me where he is living now.  
 
And if Jesus is now permanently alive,  then no one in the present can kill him no matter what they do or what sin they commit.  BTW,  according to Roman law,  crucifying Jesus was perfectly legal.  
 
"I don't speak about another point till you understand this one."  
 
Did you mean to say "I  WON"T  speak TO [address]  another point [you made] 'TILL you understand this one"?.

It is an absurdity not to understand Jesus died to save us from sin, so those who sin annul the work of Jesus.
BTW what do you mean by saying: mien gut Herr? Is it gut or got??

Don't you know what the German word "Gut" means?

"It is an absurdity not to understand Jesus died to save us from sin, so those who sin annul the work of Jesus."

That may be so,  but that's not the issue.  The issue is that someone who lives in the 21st century cannot be held responsible for, or legitimately be accused of personally taking part in, and event that happened 200o years before one's time and in a place one never lived.   But thanks for the red herring.

Moreover, to nullify the work of Jesus is hardly the same thing as killing him.

1-No, l don't know German. What do you mean by Gut?  
2- You wrote: If l profess my boundless love TO you.  
Is it TO YOU or FOR YOU?  
3- Ken: v. to know  
  Ken: n knowledge; ... When do we use the SEMI- COLON, Baldwin? It is nearly complete separation.

I'll be happy to answer your questions once you first (1) answer mine about what you think "however" means,  (2) point me to and/or fully quote a dictionary entry on "ken" that shows that the noun means "knowledge in general" or "knowledge about everything" rather than "a limited range of knowledge", and (3) tell me what the particular knowledge that Jesus' love is grounded in actually is.

Now given your track record in this regard,  I do not have any real hope that you will do any, let alone all, of the things that I've here asked you to do.  But I'd be glad to see you prove me wrong.

I am no going to prove you wrong, and l don't want your answer. I still ask you what your job is?

"I am NO going to prove you wrong"???

"and l don't want your answer"

Then why did you ask me for it?

"I still ask you what your job is?"

Did you mean to say "I still want to know what your job is."?

What I'm now quoting from your previous message is not a good way to say this since it is a statement about what you do, not a request for me to tell you something.

In any case, until you can **demonstrate** that what I do for a living makes the remarks I make about your submissions invalid,  there's no reason for me to tell you what my job is.  

Look at that mistake which you have discovered. Aren't you proud you have discovered it? I am surprised that you haven't explained the difference between NO and NOT. I think this is your great job. Don't you feel that l make these mistakes because l am bored when l write to you?

"Don't you feel that l make these mistakes because l am bored when l write to you?"

No,  I feel you make them because you are a sloppy writer who does not take the time to proof-read what he writes and is more concerned with attacking the person of someone who points out the mistakes you make mistakes than in dealing directly with what he says about them and/or admitting that you've made them.
 

I give my love to you
despite my knowledge of
just how iniquitous you sometimes are
to me and other men.

(And look at how I’ve penned
my words
in meter that remains unmixed
to state some claims
that are nowise confusing or
absurd).

I ken that love for enemies
is something that, according to the word,
shows foolishness.
But then again, what good does hatred do
except to furl the earth
in more bloodshed  
and never-ending, senseless death?

Wonderful my friend.. Your poems ooze of perfection. Thank you for sharing :)

To whom are you speaking?

Dear Slazkani,
I am grateful to you for your very kind and encouraging comment. JZ